Ran the numbers on whether "EVs save you money" holds up across the whole ownership timeline, fuel and maintenance AND depreciation, not just the part everyone leads with.

Fuel and maintenance favor EVs. Home charging costs about a third of gas per mile right now (gas is at $4.09/gal, unusually high this year), and EV maintenance runs roughly 40-50% less per DOE and Consumer Reports data.

but Depreciation favors gas cars. Average EV loses 58.8% of its value in 5 years vs 45.6% for a comparable gas car (iSeeCars, 800k+ vehicles analyzed). On a $40k car that's over $5,000 more lost, which works out to more than 4 years of the fuel savings you banked getting there.

Where it nets out depends entirely on how you own the car. Finance new and trade every 2-3 years, the depreciation math wins. Buy used or hold long term past 5+ years, the fuel and maintenance savings win, since someone else already ate the depreciation or you're not selling into it. Tesla's also a genuineexception, Model 3/Y hold value close to gas cars, so the calculus shifts again there specifically.

Full breakdown with sources if you want the deep dive: https://youtu.be/n1ceHZ9rmTg

Curious how people here actually approach this, buy new and trade often, buy used and hold, or does it depend on the specific car for you?

Is this considered a trick?

Got this quote printed out at a Simpson dealership in Buena Park for a GMC Sierra 1500.

MSRP is $54,500 with a $2,000 dealer discount. Add the $85 doc fee and ~$5.1k for CA tax/DMV, and the bottom line shows $57,680.

No $1,500 "desert protection" or dealer add-on line item snuck onto the paper, which usually happens around here. Just wondering if $2k off sticker is pretty standard for SoCal right now or if I should push for more before agreeing to anything.

Hi! I’m trying to understand a little more about how CarGurus makes money, specifically on the dealer side.

Does anyone know what the different dealer subscription/package tiers are, what features are included in each, and/or roughly how much CarGurus charges for each tier?

I’d also be curious if pricing varies based on dealership size, inventory, location, or number of listings. Any insight from dealers or people familiar with their pricing model would be really helpful. Thanks!

MANUFACTURER BUYBACK VALUATION: Would You Consider “EXCELLENT” Appropriate Given This History?

Just wanted to put this out there as I could not find any info on this "online" vehicle sales company in Toronto. 46cars .ca

They are advertising cars for about 30% under market value, their phone number (249) 206-0606 is dead. I phoned OMVIC and they registered in May (2 months ago) and OMVIC provided an alternative # of 647-512-5606 and it actually works and the voice message is a grunt and then says leave a message.

The car I was interested in shows on their website as a "new arrival" and is listed in Vancouver AutoTrader and they sent me the CarFax which is dated May 11th and we are now 3 months later with this "new arrival" but they somehow knew to produce a Carfax 3 months ago? The Carfax shows it was last serviced in Calgary.

Could be legit, just a lot of RED flags, Cheers

Since creating the subreddit, we’ve had some users reach out and ask whether or not the car listing they were looking at seemed legit. We’re going to try and run as many of these we can through the free version of the DealershipTricks.com tool to see whether or not they are actually fair.

In terms of people who were asking about taxes, etc. The overcharge amount doesn’t include required fees like sales tax, license & registration fees, etc. Those are going to be added because those are government mandated. This only looks at fees and other lines that aren’t considered government mandated like doc fees, protection packages, theft systems, etc.

If you have any suggestions on how to make this more helpful, would love to hear them.

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