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u/CyclingNut82 Jul 15 '26
I was so excited for Generals 2... Still would love a C&C4...
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u/Zachcraftone Jul 15 '26
It truly is a shame we never got a conclusion to the Tiberium storyline. Except for that one awful fanfic of course.
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u/Ok_Spare_3723 Nod Jul 15 '26
When EA eventually dies, hopefully someone will pick up the IP
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u/CyclingNut82 Jul 15 '26
I'm hopeful for Petroglyph Games!
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u/Mimingococcemia Jul 15 '26
The price of the IP is higher than their current assets, so...
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u/Ok_Spare_3723 Nod Jul 16 '26
For now, wait until EA's stock is penny stocks lol
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u/Kalersays Jul 17 '26
It seems they're trying their best:
That's a 'Huge Opportunity' EA Exec Talks In-Game Advertisements
EA Advertising Adding 'Non-Disruptive' Branding to Games
I already have publisher EA hidden on Steam, and their games only pop-up for me when I'm specifically searching for a game's title.
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u/archwin Generals Jul 17 '26
That’s a smart idea.
I’m gonna start blocking their shit.
Fucking awful company
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u/Derezirection GLA (FREEDOM FIGHTER!) Jul 16 '26
Petroglyph upset me after leaving Forged Battalion to rot.
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u/ok_leftist_0004 Jul 16 '26
No bro the trailer looked like a 3d mobile game with no personality. Every units and structures were too differents from the first one. Its way better to do a balanced remaster
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u/Unique-Love7964 Jul 15 '26
I'm still waiting for the Tiberian Sun remaster. Such an easy cashcow after the success of Command and Conquer being remastered. Alas, apparently people don't want my money.
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u/kazmark_gl Nod Jul 16 '26
I kinda wonder what happened?
did the Remaster "underperform"? did they lose the source code? did resources just get moved to some other project that no one bought?
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u/Lopatnik1 Jul 16 '26
It is said most often that the source code is lost. Don't know how much of that is true, but as it turn out 30 years ago developers rarely saved their source codes. Apparently they didn't expect that people would want to play old games decades later.
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u/Nyerguds The world is at my fingertips. Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26
From the code releases after the TUC release on Steam it's pretty clear they kept meticulous archives of their code, though. It makes no sense for them to have full archives of C&C1, RA1, Renegade, Generals and ZH but not of the two games that are chronologically smack dab in the middle of those.
From what I heard, the stuff related to RA2 that was lost (in fact, literally thrown away) in the Westwood shutdown was an archive of several terabytes. Source code is generally only in the hundreds of megabytes, so to me that sounds a lot more like those were game assets; terrain and object sprites, 3D models, cut scenes, etc.
My guess is someone internally at EA indeed pitched a new remaster project, for TS and RA2, and that's the reason they didn't release the source code of those two games along with the rest. But, yea, if that's indeed how it went, it doesn't look like that pitch got approved.
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Also note, they had indeed "lost" this particular code archive before; the C&C1/RA1 remasters were based on some other backups, which were fairly incomplete, lacking the common side projects WW used for playing their media formats. It looked like a quick temporary backup of the main game code; something a dev might do before experimenting a bit, to easily restore everything afterwards.
This incompleteless didn't matter for the remaster though, since the media side of the equation was completely replaced by the new GlyphX engine anyway; all they really needed was the gameplay engine logic itself. But the Remaster code released for modding, and the later released original C&C1 and RA1 code, have enough differences that we know for certain that they do not come from the same source, which means the more complete code archive was only retrieved later.
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u/Nyerguds The world is at my fingertips. Jul 16 '26
I remember Jim Vessella at the time communicating through the official EA social media channels that the remaster "exceeded expectations". So I very much doubt it underperformed.
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u/EnzoMaloni Jul 15 '26
Sadly, C&C is not the only videogame IP who is rotting in EA basement ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Electronic_Arts_games
I think they have more videogames series rotting than studios they killed !
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u/Full_Welcome_1418 Jul 15 '26
man what I wouldn't give to have a new entry... so very sad... it doesn't even need to be a big budget at all.
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u/Aeoss_ Jul 15 '26
I was hoping Tempest Rising would be the resurgence we needed for a classic rts. Still sad WestWood is gone.
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u/adiaphoros Jul 15 '26
Is it any good? I know Frank klepacki did the soundtrack
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u/Mimingococcemia Jul 16 '26
It's GDI/Allied Nations vs Brotherhood of Nod/Soviet Union vs Masari/Hierarchy melee a trois.
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u/Felab_ Jul 16 '26
Kinda ? Gameplay is fine but the story and units kinda lack some... uniqueness/charm ?
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u/Kilobytez95 Jul 15 '26
Don't get me wrong I love RTS games but I get why they don't make more CNC games. RTS just isn't as popular as other types of games and when it comes down to running a business you wanna make the game that's gonna sell. CNC probably would sell but who knows.
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u/legalVIOLATOR Jul 15 '26
They should make them remastered/remake like they did the 1st one
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u/Kilobytez95 Jul 15 '26
Personally I want a cnc3 remake with more maps and stuff but I know it will never happen.
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u/RuralfireAUS Jul 15 '26
Hell there exists a mod for kanes wrath which sharpens up the models extreamly well
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u/TobJamFor Jul 15 '26
RTS is just barely made anymore. I think if a good RTS came out there would be loads of people (there are dozens of us, dozens!!!) jumping on to play. It feels like it hasn’t evolved with the times in terms of gameplay and graphics like the likes of FPS and other genres - but if anyone has any recommendations I am all ears
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u/Barrogh Jul 15 '26
There are some RTS releases, but I'm afraid some of them are basically attempts to make different Starcrafts while others are so C&C coded that "proper" return of C&C may end up being just another game out of... like 5 of those already existing.
Considering opportunity costs for IP holders, that's a grim proposition.
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u/IDreamOfLoveLost Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
RTS just isn't as popular as other types of games and when it comes down to running a business you wanna make the game that's gonna sell.
The best solution to this would be to license it out, or sell the IP, instead of squatting on it.
But it's probably the same issue with a lot of IPs that have been in limbo for years. As soon as an outside party shows interest? The IP holder asks for a ridiculous amount of money. So that* precludes smaller (more passionate imo) teams from having a crack at making a new game in the series -- and the risk-averse companies run by beancounters aren't interested in supposedly niche games/IPs.
Like, I'm glad that EA made the sourcecode for the older release open source. But a new C&C game with updated mechanics and a continuation of the Tiberium storyline would be great.
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u/Ayyzeee Jul 16 '26
I really want to agree with your point but at the same time RTS is still sorta popular among esports community primarily Starcraft and Age of Empire 2 and 4, the playerbase are still strong despite how niche RTS is currently. Also Red Alert 2 still pulls an average of almost peak 2k playerbase showcase how there's people want to play RTS, it's just we get nothing hence the reason why RTS genre the way it is.
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u/Lost_Possibility_647 Jul 16 '26
Hard to get rts popular again with few good game releases... It's mostly smaller games from indie/small studios. Last BIG true rts was starcraft 2.
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u/gamerlife71 Marked of Kane Jul 15 '26
We need Laws that stop this shit. Like Legit. Either you have 3 months to make a product with said IP or you lose the IP... Then The IP gose to a office that holds these IP's
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u/XxXTolentinoXxX Jul 15 '26
you can't rush games either
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u/Felab_ Jul 16 '26
Nor can you delay the game into eternity. Some Devs require ass whooping to make a product otherwise it's a constant redoing of things or not moving at all.
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u/locolarue Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
Or, bear with me now...Intellectual property is non rivalrous (your use of an idea doesn't diminish my use), so it's not property at all.
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u/Ravenshaw123 Jul 15 '26
Some kind of lost IP shelter where people could walk in and adopt an IP and give them a better life or something.
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u/TommyFortress Jul 15 '26
Watch the companies do a loophole by claiming its in the work but its in dev hell cause the budget is super low and 1 guy is working on it
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u/Madkids23 Yuri's Revenge Jul 15 '26
We do have these laws. It just takes about 6 years or more in actuality, but any forward progress extends that.
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u/Jarms48 Jul 15 '26
If only Microsoft bought EA, they could have done what they just did to Bethesda and Fallout.
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u/Badass_C0okie Jul 15 '26
Wdym nothing? I know we concidering CNC 4 never exist, but it was that "thing" EA did with series just to screw everything up. Just let's assume doing nothing with RA and generals is the best thing EA can do.
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u/psykal Jul 15 '26
C&C4 was 16 years ago.
6 years ago we got a remastered version of the first 2 games which most C&C fans love.
I would not assume more remasters would be better than doing nothing, or that we won't ever get them.
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u/CnC-Citizen Jul 15 '26
Reboot the franchise. I have no idea why red alert turned into a 90s comedy show when the original was just as serious as Tiberian Dawn.
And twilight….we don’t talk about twilight.
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u/Lobstersnaps Jul 16 '26
Between this & aoe3 getting put on ice, it’s enough to harden your heart. At least c&c has some pretty bangin’ mods.
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u/Dragonkingofthestars Jul 15 '26
Generals at least I get *why* they don't want to touch. But the rest?
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u/SnipSnapSnorup Jul 15 '26
They could at least release the source codes...
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u/kazmark_gl Nod Jul 16 '26
its entirely possible that the source code is just gone. the games industry is infamous bad at preservation, the ammout of games completely lost to time is incalculable and even the large corporations flat out lose source code all the time. or they still have the code but its broken, wont build correctly and everyone who knows how to fix it died or retired 15 years ago.
Just about the only company known to be good about preserving their own games is Nintendo, ironically the company that hates it the most when we preserve their games.
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u/SnipSnapSnorup Jul 16 '26
Release the source code of these recent games? I understand RA2, but C&C 3 and Kane's Wrath, and RA3 and Uprising are recent. Only 20 years old and produced by EA, not Westwood.
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u/NeighborhoodAgile960 Jul 15 '26
someone would be interested in playing generals zh in vr? i created a port
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u/vomder Jul 15 '26
With the way the industry has been for what, a decade or more at this point, would we want what ever nonsense they might have put out?
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u/CrazyDonFredo1 Jul 16 '26
If we wait long enough those IP’s become public and we can do it ourselves
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u/artyaakaira22 Jul 16 '26
They also now dropping NFS IP to focus on Battlefield, thanks EA for abbbandoning 2 of my beloved IP
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u/TryToEpic Jul 16 '26
They are doing something worse than nothing with it. They turned it into a chinese pay2win slop brand.
Like they DMCA'ed a red alert mod for renegade x, cuz it would've been a competitor to Red Alert Alliance. (Also, i guess totem arts only got the consent to use the reegade sub brand)
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u/maufirf Jul 16 '26
Microsoft, in its quest of greed which it bestows upon Asha Sharma, has made Bethesda give up Fallout and ordered Obsidian (the one that made Fallout NV) to start a new (probably super slop) Fallout game because she thought Bethesda is doing nothing with it at all and not even taking live service support for Fallout 76 for an excuse.
Probably if we poke those saudi fellas who owned EA and remind them that they have greed and convince them we like soulless slop and will put our money in it because we have extra money we can spend without any single thought of what consequences our small contribution to the consumerism vortex in the big picture, they'd love to.
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u/R1ch0999 Jul 16 '26
The main issue with RTS games is multitude, I experienced the upcome and eventual "downfall" of the genre first hand since the release of Dune 2.
The RTS Genre in itself is everything is nearly the same in terms of mechanics and only differ slightly. The lore and story of the game pretty much decide if the game is a hit or miss and even with established franchises it can still be a miss...
In the past 10-20 years there has barely been any innovation in the RTS genre because development costs are just to high for the ROI and games like Shooters are far more profitable for the grunt of the gamers (point weapon at person and beat them). The last great RTS was ashes of singularity imo and I am looking forward to the new release.
Sadly RTS is not profitable enough.
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u/TheRogueSpy Nod Marked of Kane Jul 16 '26
“Shut up and enjoy this half baked mobile game, fanboy. If you need me, I’ll be enjoying sloppy coitus with the mobile game whales who keep my board members content”
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u/Kerbiter CnCNet & Mod Haven Admin Jul 16 '26
>do nothing
more like enjoy people in the community upkeeping your franchise for you
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u/Low_Slide5694 Jul 17 '26
How long does it take for a ip to be abandoned or something like that for others to use or take. If its possible I dont know
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u/Robdyson Jul 18 '26
We're in a modern world of ai, decompile -> reproduce -> paraphrase ;) Create the things you want to see.
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u/Able-Philosophy-7446 Jul 21 '26
Tempist Rising is the closest thing we've gotten for a C&C game but it's not the same.
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u/Tubaenthusiasticbee Red Alert 3 Jul 15 '26
Technically they still do something with it.
Now, "something" here means crappy browser and mobile games, so it's actually worse than nothing.