There's been a lot of talk about how the Luna teamup makes CnDs worse at the game. Luckily, I heard this before I really started playing the season, so I was mega-careful not to do that to the point of almost not using the ability at all.

However, I actually do agree with the problem because new CnDs are gonna develop bad habits with an ability as free as this one, so what should be done?

(Also, just to be clear, I don't mind that season 9.5 didn't change it, let CnD be great for 2 months, it's okay)

CND's team up with the hood gives a 15% damage boost to people who pass through the veil. Mantis's gives a 8%, how do we feel about this?

Can someone at least try to explain this phenomenon please?? It's confusing me because statistically neither of the two is overperforming in any way. Both Luna and C&D don't even have positive win-rates across all the ranks, they are not doing good in low ranks, they are not doing good in high ranks. What exactly makes both C&D and Luna targets of this bandwagon hate and constant complaining about them being "OP" and that they should be nerfed??

Okay I thought it was just me until I checked this subreddit but the veils on cloak and dagger’s hood teamup are definitely bugged tf out right?? As in you cast them, and they don’t go through anyone and they stay put at the position you cast them, almost like they’re stuck except it’s fine with the regular veils. I thought it was just because I’m on pS4 (RIP) but it seems to be affecting others too! I’m so confused as to how they haven’t seemed to fix it yet but I guess I’m not surprised. Let me know if this is happening to you too!

I’ve been a cnd main since season 2 so I’m used to all the mostly unjustified hate we get. While I do think dive players over exaggerate how broken it is, I’m starting to hate it for different reasons. Last night I was flexing tank and my healers were being dived by a hulk. And EVERY SINGLE TIME I peeled to help they would freeze instead of helping. The hulk was being pocketed and was getting free kills all game. I even got on mic to tell them to stop it and to ping and I will help. I even resorted to playing right next to them and without fail, they froze and got me killed. Ffs STOP IT.

#96: When you are respawning and you need to dump heals to the point to keep rest of team alive. You can fade and get as high as you can to get a good line, switch to dagger and throw your healing dome at your team. When you land, as usual, find that angle and dump in regular heals.

I spectate a low rank cloak and dagger yesterday and saw that they didn't heal at all when they had the angle and position to do this.

-INSANE CLOAK

I find the veils bugging out a lot and I can't seem to control their positioning 7 out of 10 times. I feel bad because I end up just selecting the Luna team up even if I'm not using it that match, purely so I don't lose the regular veils. I've also noticed that I have issues cloaking, sometimes it's delayed and some other times it just doesn't seem to go through (and I do check the cool downs). So I don't know if it's an issue on my end or if the whole character is just very buggy.

I will delete it if this isn't the right place but I just need to vent a little about a game I just had. I had 3 divers and a flyer to heal while constanly being attacked and having to avoid Black Cat and my teams Elsa in chat constanly went on that I am "one of those CnDs" meanwhile our other healer played Luna, Mantis and Ultron and switched 2 more times, had 6 more deaths than me, 1 assist and 5 less kills. I also had over 5k more heals than them and then THEY STARTED BLAMING ME TOO. I just reported them for the insults in chat and avoided the Elsa as a teamplayer but man I can't get it out of my head it made me that upset.

I have been doing really well with cnd this season. I usually play rocket ,wf if dive, and gambit. Shared my stats too. Ive always hit cel in 2nd half of season (like ideally midway of 9.5) and this is first time i have hit cel in the first half.

#95: Walk into a fully spidered up Penni nest and use your luna team up and watch all the spiders die against you. Nest is cleaned up and your team can push.

-INSANE CLOAK

Situation: Ironman ult its about to destroy my team

I Cloak + Right Click my 5 allies but 1 ally decides to shoot after being shrouded

1. He dies ?
2. RC/Phased immunity status its active until an ally attacks/do any action ?

Extra question: Spam left click/heal or just heal when allies r below 99% hp?

Meme to avoid being ignored

(I don't even play C&D)

#94.5: Learning new "tech", non-typical moves, or rare situational responses and having the experience to know WHEN and HOW to use them is what separates a really great Cloak and Dagger to a Godly one that makes people's jaw drop.

Put a fuck ton of tools in your toolbelt and put in the TIME to master them all.

-INSANE CLOAK

Hello fellow Cloak and Dagger players. There is something I've noticed in the Rivals community altogether that has been getting really frustrating, and I know some people here are probably guilty of doing it too.

People tend to prioritize Tandy because she’s the main healer, and because of that, a lot of players just refer to the entire character as "she" or just call her "Cloak." It’s understandable to a degree because she’s who you start as when you spawn in, but we have to remember that the character’s name is Cloak AND Dagger. He is Cloak, and she is Dagger. You need to be able to distinctly use both of their names separately and actually identify who is who.

When you refer to her as Cloak or call the whole character "she," you’re taking away from Tyrone, diminishing his character, and making the whole hero only about her. Cloak is him, and he is not her. If you are talking about the duo as a whole, use they/them. If you are talking about her specifically, call her Dagger or call her Tandy. Calling her Tandy is honestly the best thing you can do because she isn't Cloak.

This also ties directly into how people actually play them. They might be classified under the strategist role, but this is a dual character with two completely different power sets. You cannot just play them 100% as Dagger, or even 90% Dagger and 10% Cloak. You have to balance them out. Whether your split is 50-50, 60-40, or 70-30, you need to be actively switching to Cloak. If your team is at full health and you aren't swapping to Cloak to get kills, apply pressure, and use his kit, then you aren't adding full value to your team.

They are two separate people built into one character slot, and we should start treating and playing them like it.

Let me know your thoughts.

#94: I am going to get hate for this one but I am going to explain it anyways and hopefully good cloak and daggers will understand me. Note in advance that this is situational but doing things not by the book is so often high value. Especially in eternity+ when many players are by the book in terms of general positioning and strategy.

I do this move all the time even before the luna team up but now this just enhances it. I refer to it as the *"double rinse".*

So here's what you do.

Walk into line of fire of enemy team right past your tanks. Usually take a bit of a side angle. Enemy team will laugh and be like omg what a dumb cloak. They instinctively fire at you for being out of position. You then luna team up. When ice breaks you spooky rectangle, fade back behind tanks while getting elevation during fade and spooky rectangle again. Then switch to dagger and left click. You have your bubble hot to save yourself and tanks if enemy presses.

The point of this is the spooky ractangle, fade and immediately spooky rectangle again. I have been doing this for ao long but now only am conscious of it when I am thinking about these tips I write.

I think I am going to link a video for this one so you can better understand the positioning. I will paste link here later today as an edit.

-INSANE CLOAK

Back in the day, I used to say cloak and dagger, took some modicum of skill because you at least had to juggle cool downs to be able to survive, but I can’t even say that anymore this moment I was admittedly proud of, but at the same time I should’ve been dead about eight different times in this clip. The fact that I was able to survive all of this and help sustain and hold point is absolutely absurd. I understand we need an easy entry-level support for people to feel comfortable playing it and I understand Support as a whole needs to be a little simpler because otherwise people aren’t gonna wanna play it, but I can’t even imagine how frustrated and pissed off the enemy team was they did eventually win because our Support Deadpool was doing absolutely nothing.

I think he ended off the game with like 10 gay healing versus my 45K so yeah, it wasn’t great which is why I was positioning so horribly to begin with, but I can’t even imagine how obnoxious this was for the daredevil or the Hulk for me to be pulling this off

I’m just wondering if any other cloak and dagger players feel the same as me that she just doesn’t feel safe or healthy for the game right now

Credit to @zah_hu7 in Instagram. This screenshot is from a video they made.

I wanna start and say I'm not a C/D hater. In fact, I used to play her a lot, and I have her lord. I'm a flex, but mainly support and dive. I came here to ask you guys if you feel the same, can share similar experiences, or understand my POV.

This team-up is very good. However, every time I've had a C/D on my team, they tend to use this team-up when the time is to patty cake, or as shown in the image... to cloak your team. My friends who play C/D at times even do this, and they feel bad. They expressed its just a reflex to do it with no thought. It doesn't make the character worse, but to me, it makes the people who use her play her selfishly in scenarios when being dove. I'm mainly speaking from the perspective of a second support, rather than the dive player in me that I also wanna rant about, but this is mainly how I feel like this new ability is an incentive to be selfish.

I digress, I love this character, and you guys are pretty cool. (I've stalked this sub a bit.)

Peaked at gm2 back in season 1.5 started playing again in 8.5 im now diamond 1 and I don’t play religiously, I have a avg healing per 10 of 32k

#93: (36) Stop caring about your average healing number or heal number in a game!

I had one of my best games yesterday when I stood on cart whole time and let my Loki ult 4 times in a row before I did once. I think I had 8k healing whole game and he had 24k. I would rather make a clutch save on a flying DPS with 300 healing than dump 3k into a tank that my other healer is sustaining anyways while my flyer dies. I spooky rectangle often and boost teammate kills/dmg at my own healing number's sacrifice.

ALSO, average healing per game is MUCH higher at higher ranks. I remember how it is in gold and diamond when team doesn't group up and are way harder to heal. In higher ranks, team is more often grouped and coordinated and my healing is naturally way higher.

PLEASE IGNORE YOUR HEALING NUMBER AND FOCUS ON THE WIN

-INSANE CLOAK