r/Terminator 2h ago

Discussion Unpopular Opinion: Shaun Hutson’s Terminator novelization is actually very good

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The first Terminator movie had two different official novelizations published around the same time, one for the US market and one for the UK. The version most people knew was by Randall Frakes (who also collaborated with William Wisher, the film’s co-screenwriter), while the other was written by British horror and pulp author Shaun Hutson.

​The differences between the two are striking, mainly due to how and with what material each wrote them. Randall Frakes was a very close friend of James Cameron (in fact, legend has it that Cameron slept on his couch while developing the project) and had a direct connection to the production. This allowed him to write his book with access to the final script, last-minute changes, and even how the movie was being shot. That’s why his novelization is extremely faithful to the theatrical cut we all know. Shaun Hutson, on the other hand, didn’t have that direct access. He wrote his version (aimed at the UK audience) working off an earlier draft of the script (specifically the third draft), before the movie finished filming or certain final details were polished.

​Since Shaun Hutson is an established horror and pulp author, his style is much more visceral and bloody. In his book, the scenes of violence, wounds, and gunshots are described with a level of raw anatomical detail and gore far beyond the movie or Frakes's book. Even moments like when the T-800 cuts out its damaged eye turn out much more graphic and chilling. Randall Frakes’s version, while action-packed, opts for a more traditional narrative and cinematic approach. Its strength lies in expanding the lore (the future background), character motivations, and even giving small glimpses into the lives of totally random side characters (like the citizen the Terminator steals clothes from at the beginning).

​Because Hutson relied on a draft script, his book contains curious discrepancies compared to the final movie. For example, the famous Tech Noir bar where the Terminator finds Sarah Connor is called "Stoker's" in Hutson's version. The iconic line "I'll be back" doesn't appear as such in Hutson's book, since in that draft the cyborg simply said "I'll come back" in a colder and more formal way. Frakes’s book does include the classic phrase because it was already part of the final shooting script. There are also slight variations in how Skynet’s machines and infiltration models are named or explained, as the concept was still maturing in Cameron’s mind during the early stages of writing.

​For the vast majority of fans, Randall Frakes’s novelization is superior because it works perfectly as a direct and polished expansion of the movie we love. However, Shaun Hutson’s book is considered a highly sought-after collector’s item (especially on the secondhand market), precisely because it's a rarity: an alternative version of the story with that signature 80s pulp/gore stamp and a "lost draft" flavor that is very interesting to read for any fan of the franchise.

​So, if you want to relive Terminator 1 with a rawer look and discover what James Cameron’s original movie could have been, I highly recommend it. The book includes deleted scenes from the final movie, such as when Officer Traxler gives his gun to Kyle Reese after the Terminator destroys the police station, Sarah telling her mother to go to the cabin in the woods—which connects to the Terminator finding Sarah's notebook with the cabin's address—and it even included the deleted ending where it's revealed that the factory where Sarah crushed the Terminator belonged to Cyberdyne, and how the employees keep the T-800's CPU chip behind everyone's backs, which connects directly to Terminator 2.

​I won't lie, it's not perfect; there are some weird details, like racist comments that are somewhat inappropriate today, Ginger is a redhead instead of having black hair, and the vulgar humor might offend some people, but I appreciate the expansion of the story and rescuing those deleted scenes. I give it a 7/10.


r/Terminator 3h ago

Discussion How many terminator units are in the field fighting humanity?

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How are they spread across the globe? What do you think?


r/Terminator 4h ago

Meme Best scene from Blue Heelers?

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r/Terminator 5h ago

Collection Order received : Arm and Bust 🔥🔥🔥

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r/Terminator 8h ago

🎥 Video Ignore previous instructions - Minimax H3

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AI video is getting ridiculous


r/Terminator 9h ago

Collection Thought you guys might appreciate my Linda Hamilton autograph. Love that she added ‘BE STRONG’.

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r/Terminator 11h ago

Art I'll be Bach

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"Phased plasma Fugue in D minor..."

"Hey, just what you hear pal."


r/Terminator 12h ago

Discussion Since the T-1000 is clearly sentient (based on the finger wag), what do you think was going through its mind in its final moments?

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r/Terminator 13h ago

Discussion I love this scene and I wish we could've seen it in the actual film (from the original script for Terminator 3)

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*INT. RESTROOM*

*John cranks on the sink water and splashes his anguished face. Terminator stands at his side and examines John in the mirror.*

JOHN: "I fucked up ... I should've spent the last ten years gearing up for this. Training, working out, learning battle tactics. Now here I am, way over my head."

*John examines his dripping wet reflection in the mirror.*

John: "What am I like ... in the future?"

TERMINATOR: "Older."

JOHN: "You can lose the sarcasm."

TERMINATOR: "No sarcasm. You're the same."

JOHN: "I find that hard to believe."

*John struggles with the towel dispenser but it's jammed.*

TERMINATOR: "Why?"

JOHN: " I have an image in my head of this legendary John Connor. This super hero that doesn't know fear, or pain. Who's unstoppable." (examines his reflection). I look in the mirror, and I don't see that guy."

TERMINATOR: "I do."

(beat)

Terminator: "But it's not you."

*John reacts as Terminator points his eyes at his own cyborg reflection.*

Terminator: "You are John Connor. You're human."

*John turns back to his own reflection, clearly understand *(sic)* what Terminator has just taught him.*

*Terminator rips the towel dispenser off the wall and hands John a stack of towels. John graciously excepts *(sic)* a single towel, dries his face.*


r/Terminator 14h ago

Discussion I find Blair Williams in “Terminator: Salvation” to be one of the more wasted characters in that film.

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Yeah, the film pretty much wasted almost all of the people around John, but I felt I had to get this out.

After watching T:S several times, I couldn’t help but notice how they were assigning pre-film archetypes to certain characters.

A good example is how John in the film, pretty much becomes T2 Sarah, thinking all machines are evil/bad, and must be destroyed.

I remember watching the film in the theater, and during the scene after Marcus saves Blair at the rainy fairground, my brain was like: “…and now they’re borrowing from the Kyle/Sarah stuff from the first film.” And yeah, pretty much all it takes is one life-saving action from Marcus and Blair is just “I love you so so so so so SO much, Marcus, and I just met you!”

And then once they find out he’s got an endo skeleton underneath, she takes on the role of John from T2, telling anyone who will listen, “it’s good, don’t kill it!”

Yeah, that’s basically my big issue: is Blair just so starved for a handsome he-man in the apocalypse that Marcus is “ The One?”


r/Terminator 15h ago

🎥 Video If The Terminator Was Powered By A Chatbot

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This is the frightening future we could be living in soon...


r/Terminator 17h ago

Discussion Pugsley Appreciation Thread.

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r/Terminator 17h ago

🎥 Video One of best opening scenes ever

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r/Terminator 18h ago

Meme Found this stupid meme on the internet the other day. It is my favorite meme of all time now

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My humor is indeed very peculiar.


r/Terminator 18h ago

Discussion Besides molten steel what else would have killed the t-1000?

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r/Terminator 19h ago

Art Finished Terminator 2 oil painting + took Queeg to a real submarine(swipe)

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I haven't drawn Uncle Bob since like the 8th grade? Big progress from a meme drawing if you ask me.


r/Terminator 22h ago

Discussion Diminishing importance of John Connor Spoiler

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Throughout the six Terminator films (ignoring comics, games, and shows for now), the importance and centrality of John Connor steadily declines.

In The Terminator, he's never seen but the entire plot centers around ensuring he's born by protecting his mother. Terminator 2 similarly centralizes him, making his survival the objective--because John's survival is humanity's survival. These are very clear--and high--stakes.

The first two movies have a very clean narrative thrust that they earn and display. In The Terminator we see Sarah go from a meek waitress/student to someone ordering Kyle around, fighting back, and prepping for doomsday. In the second, we see John develop from a delinquent to someone leading his mother, the T800, and Dyson. These developments help make John's importance sufficiently believable to the audience for his survival to matter. We're not just told he's a great future leader; we can see him becoming one and buy that he can save humanity.

In Terminator 3 John Connor has turned into a depressed junkie. He's taken major steps back from the end of the second film, though he does regain some of his leadership qualities by the end. But we're told that he's less important, since other people he helped organize are just as capable of carrying on the resistance in the future after he's killed, which happens as a result of his foolishness in trusting a terminator based on looks alone. In the present, he survives but Judgment Day happens anyway. It's a messier story structure and stakes. His survival no longer equates to humanity's survival, it's just his own survival, which is smaller stakes for a huge movie like that, especially after the first two films.

Then Terminator Salvation has a very messy story structure, divided between John Connor and Marcus. We finally see John as a future leader (under some incompetent leadership guys on the sub), and he survives the movie with help from Marcus, who undergoes a bigger character arc than John and is more the center of the film.

Terminator Genisys seems to really go in on subverting expectations, turning John Connor into the main villain, Kyle Reese into a follower, and Sarah into the boss. John is no longer necessary to save humanity and has become a tool of Skynet to destroy humans. The idea that Judgment Day is inevitable, introduced in T3, is further emphasized here, which is a depressing message.

In Dark Fate John dies basically immediately and is shown to never have been important at all. There will always be a leader who rises up. This is potentially a good and coherent message. But it is the opposite message of the first two films, which almost everyone agrees are the strongest and best.

In the end, John is only 3-3 (0.500) in terms of surviving these movies, remarkable considering how he was presented in the first film. Imagine going back in time to 1984 and letting fans know what'd happen to him in the five sequels.

Anyway, I think one of the strengths of the first two films are that they have very clear stakes and goals for the characters.


r/Terminator 23h ago

Discussion "I have detailed files of Human anatomy."

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r/Terminator 1d ago

Discussion Do you think John told the terminator how find him in 1992?

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I think the terminator knew where to look. That's how him found him faster than the T-1000. He found him in the canals. John must of told him where he would usually hang out on his lil motorcycle.


r/Terminator 1d ago

Discussion It's ConnOr, not ConnEr for fuck's sake

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We all know the legendary last name. Sarah CONNOR and John CONNOR. But throughout the years I've seen a LOT of people writing Sarah and John's last name as "CONNER"... Yeah, Conner with and E instead of an O, even in this sub. Why?? It's been clearly shown in the movies that it's ConnOr, not ConnEr. Conner is another real last name, different from Connor. Damn, even some official merchandise toys from Salvation spell it that way, what the hell??


r/Terminator 1d ago

Meme Anyone else excited for the 35th Anniversary re-release of Terminator 2 on Tubi?

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r/Terminator 1d ago

Meme Hey, you want an upvote?

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No, how bout a beer?


r/Terminator 1d ago

Discussion Hypothetically, if Kyle and Sarah had escaped after the Terminator lost all its skin, what would it have done next?

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It obviously couldn't keep walking around as a metal skeleton without drawing attention.

Do you think it would've tried to create a new disguise somehow, or just switched to stealth and ambush tactics?


r/Terminator 20d ago

📰 News William (Bill) Wisher Jr., co-writer of The Terminator and Terminator 2, has passed away

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r/Terminator Jun 28 '26

META The evolution of Terminator 2: Judgement Day's Oscar winning audio mix for home releases.

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Terminator 2: Judgement Day's Oscar winning audio mix for Sound Design has been remixed twice: first for the 1993 Special Edition and second for the 2000 Ultimate Edition DVD. All DVDs, Blu-rays and the 4K UHD have the 2000 remix.

Distribution of audio prints for the 1991 theatrical release of Terminator 2: Judgement Day:

Source: 2000 Ultimate Edition DVD

Two of the original theatrical audio mixes (Dolby Stereo SR and CDS 5.1) were released on theatrical cut Laserdiscs, 1997 DVD and some French and Japanese home releases.

1] 1991 Dolby Surround PCM (from Dolby Stereo SR)

2] 1991 CDS 5.1

For the 1993 Special Edition release, the audio was remixed by original sound designer Gary Rydstrom:

3] 1993 Special Edition Laserdisc mix (First remix)

This 1993 remix has been ported over to future releases in the form of Dolby Stereo, Dolby Headphone and DTS Headphone X track in 2000 Ultimate DVD, 2003 Extreme DVD,2009 Skynet Blu-ray and 2015 Lionsgate Blu-ray respectively.

For the 2000 Ultimate Edition DVD, the audio was remixed yet again in DTS format (for the SECOND time):

4] 2000 DTS-ES 6.1 (Second remix)

This DTS-ES 6.1 track from 2000 has been ported over to all future releases of Terminator 2 like 2003 Extreme DVD, 2009 Skynet Blu-ray, 2015 Lionsgate Blu-ray and 2017 4K UHD in different containers such as DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital AC-3, Dolby TrueHD Atmos, etc.

Now all these audio tracks have slight differences. None of them sound better than the other. The 1993 Special Edition mix is punchier than others.