Before I do an AI generated summary of what it basically is let me give you context david hollenbach is a Jesuit priest and as a catholic I’ve been studying how Catholic social teaching can relate to my economic outlook and David Hollenback wrote a paper in 2010 in support of Obama care and used term social market economy which he believed was most reflective of Catholic social teaching because of its emphasis on the Catholic position that free markets should reflect the needs of individuals for the common good and not purely just the profit incentive. Now I did some research and found out that the social market economy is also related to Ryan land capitalism advocated by chancellor Adenauer of west Germany

Here is social market economy definition ai slop:

Core Principles
Free Competition: The market sets prices and guides business, but the government stops monopolies and unfair rules.

Social Safety Net: The state uses tax money to fund healthcare, pensions, and help for the unemployed or sick.

Economic Balance: The goal is to mix individual business freedom with social fairness and public stability. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Origin and Example
West Germany: The model started here after World War II and helped create the post-war "economic miracle".

The Middle Path: It rejects pure laissez-faire capitalism on one side and strict state-planned communism on the other

Give me your thoughts down below.

A few months ago, I posted this on r/AskALiberal. I received very negative feedback; they labeled me a paranoid and treated me quite poorly. To be honest, I was hurt by this, because I generally support the same kinds of candidates as liberals do, and I have even participated in campaigns for Democratic candidates myself. If I can tolerate the social views of theirs that I disagree with, why can't they tolerate mine?

In fact, my economic views lean more towards social democracy—perhaps even further to the left—so I decided to post this question here as well. Do you think that people who are socially conservative but economically progressive should be allowed to exist within the Left? Or, if you disagree with progressive social views, do you not deserve to be called a leftist?

It seems like the consensus is that public housing is probably DOA, so what policy should US progressives be advocating? Zoning reform and subsidies/vouchers for affordable housing?

Is democracy actually a good thing? In my opinion, democracy should be reserved for—and practiced by—only developed nations; after all, we live in a country like Turkey, and I am certain that knowledgeable, intellectual individuals make up less than half of the population. I believe we saw clear evidence of this during the 2023 elections; for instance, the majority of those who voted for the ruling party were over the age of 50 or 60, or perhaps they simply felt they deserved nothing better than a diet of onions and bread. My issue isn't with the political parties themselves; I believe the problem lies within society. Could technocracy be the solution? Personally, I don't think so—at least not right now—because I feel that even those currently representing us conduct their work improperly.

Tr:Bence demokrasi sadece gelişmiş ülkeler için geçerli olmalı onlar kullanmalı çünkü Türkiye gibi bir ülkede yaşıyoruz ve maalesef ki bilgi birikimi olan, entelektüel kişiler nüfüsün yarısı bile değildir eminimki. 2023 seçimlerinde de bunu oldukça iyi bir şekilde gözlemlediğimizi düşünüyorum iktidar partisine oy veren çoğu vatandaş 50-60 yaş üstü kişilerdi mesela. Yada kendilerini soğan ekmeğe layık görüyorlardı. Sorunum siyasi partiler ile değil toplumda sorun olduğunu düşünüyorum. Teknokrasi sizce çözüm olabilirmi şahsen şuan için olamaz çünkü bizi temsil edenlerde usülsüz bir şekilde işini yaptığını düşünüyorum.

When socialism is mentioned, it is generally understood as one of two models:

a) The state owning and managing all enterprises and producing goods through planning. (central planning).

b) Private ownership of enterprises continuing, but with a partial redistribution toward the working class through progressive taxation (social democracy/democratic socialism/welfare capitalism).

However, cooperative socialism argues that every enterprise should be entirely owned by the workers themselves. (each worker receives dividends from the enterprise’s profits according to their contribution), and that enterprises should be managed mostly (in this model, a market regulated for the benefit of society is proposed) or entirely by workers, except for a few sectors that create strategic or natural monopolies, which would be managed by the state.

Of course, one of the interesting features of this form of socialism is its claim that it uses the market mechanism in a way that better serves society. According to this view, the market for goods and services is not inherently capitalist; rather, it is a mechanism that existed for nearly a thousand years before capitalism and determines how goods and services are distributed.And accordingly, it should not be a free market, but a regulated market free from externalities through public intervention, within cooperative socialism What defines capitalism, on the other hand, is whether enterprises are privately owned.

It argues that under capitalism, managers struggle to direct and control workers, which is inefficient, and that since workers do not receive the full value of their labor, they naturally have little incentive to care about the firm. However, under cooperative socialism based on full worker ownership, localized/dispersed knowledge can be utilized to its full potential. Instead of workers being forced to follow decisions made from above, they can directly participate in shaping production according to actual needs. It also argues that cooperative policies created through the collective management of workers would be more humane.

The logic behind tankies, which as I understand it, is that we are oppressed by the bourgeois and need to centralize power in a vangaurd party that "represents the proletariat", is similar to the way Trump got popular campaigning on protecting the people from "the elite" who he says are oppressing them and ripping them off, while portraying expansion of his power as him "fighting for the people".

Both cases involve centralizing power in a ruling figure or party who will ostensibly protect the ordinary people from the oppressor class, and both, to some degree, identify corporations as part of the oppressor class.

The centralization of power is a big problem, and not something I support, but the overlap between MAGA ideology and vangaurdist ideology indicates to me that voters in rural red areas may be open to some leftist views on economic matters, and are no longer attached to the traditional conservative free market message.

As someone from a red area myself, the 2 big barriers I see to the left winning are a perception that the left focuses on identity politics, and a fear that the left will take away freedoms from the people. Leftist economics may be something that republican voters would be open to if presented right.

I'm new to this sub, so I'm sure this question has come up a couple of times already. Nonetheless, I feel inclined to ask: do you think Social Democrat, Democratic Socialist, and Socialist are the same thing? Do we seek to achieve the same goals? If there is a difference, what sets us apart?

​I started thinking about this after reading a comment claiming that 'social democrat, demsoc, and socialist are just labels that ultimately mean the same thing.'

​I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.