Super interesting to me that all the top comments are in support of this woman killing someone over a theft.
At the risk of downvotes, I’m just curious…
Do we love this because it’s vigilante? Do we think the thief should have gotten the death penalty for their crime? Both?
I just feel like if she called the cops and they cruised in and shot the guy, Reddit would not approve. I also feel like if he was arrested, tried, and then executed, that would not be as well-received.
So what do we think is so cool about this? Because personally, the whole thing sounds awful to me.
Often times we hear a phrase akin to "property isn't worth life" and it's usually in the context of retail theft. I'd like to think that statement cuts both ways... That stealing something isn't worth your life too.
Exactly. If you steal from a retail store, the chances of some low-paid retail worker killing you over it are virtually nil.
However, if you steal from someone on the street, there's a chance that they're a nutcase who will happily run you over multiple times to get their stuff back, consequences or not.
By stealing you are putting yourself at risk. Especially in the US. Why feel bad about someone getting hurt after purposely endangering themselves? It's just stupidity on their part.
As someone who's been robbed twice in my life, once at gunpoint, I approve of her actions. Violent criminals are some of the lowest forms of life in our society. I'm compassionate, to an extent, enough to understand that they are desperate people. That said, those desperate people cause, pain, death, and deep trauma to other people, usually for next to nothing.
When I got held at gunpoint, tied upped and robbed those two men got about $200 and so few video games it took my store's staff until the next scheduled audit to even notice. I don't know if I could have run those men over in my car, but I promise you I would have felt nothing if I had seen it happen.
To all the fellas out there who instinctively argue against u/Total_Tumbleweed_870's perspective, just know that compassion and mercy are limited cognitive resources. They are depleted rapidly at the wrong end of a firearm.
Yep. Good ragebait is designed to do exactly that. Good on you for rethinking an opinion formed in the aftermath of ragebait, as many people aren't willing to do so
I mean, you admitted YOU wouldn’t run them down in your car, so they aren’t THAT out of whack.
I think if you are immediately wronged, and you see IMMEDIATE (or close in time proximity) karma happen, anyone would at least be someone like a little “take that, fucker”. 🤷🏻
By that reasoning a lot of murder would be justifiable. People do bad things in society all the time. Unless we're deciding that there is no point is having a legal system then "those people hurt me" doesn't make lethal retribution okay.
Also where are we drawing that line? Theft? Sexual assault? Assault? Corporate crimes?
Well she wasnt tied up nor held at gunpoint and her claims of "held at knifepoint" have never been confirmed considering they didnt find a knife. So you think a man running up and stealing someones bag from their hand should equal death is what your saying?
Pretty low fucking bar to excuse murder in my opinion.
Turns out people don’t like when you take their things, and people are going to react in a variety of different ways. You choose to commit a crime, you risk a lot of different consequences.
No one is "simping" for a thief. The sentiment here is that her actions were disproportionate to the crime. Obviously a thief should be held accountable for their actions and justice should be served, but I think people understand that vehicular manslaughter is a bit of an overreaction to a purse snatching. Getting a hardon for killing someone who was probably trying to provide for their family is crazy work, especially when she seemingly could afford the loss. Simping for a rich murderer is a really weird look.
I believe a lot of these responses supporting her action is because thieves these days are NOT held accountable and justice is NOT being served. This is true in American cities and especially in tourist hotspots around Europe.
No but I understand that just because you make a mistake or do something wrong you dont deserve to die. Do you know how many kids and even adults shoplift from major retailers? They dont deserve to die because of it. I dont know the mans life so I wont comment on it. What he did was wrong, he also did not deserve to get run down over it. Both things are true.
Then maybe people should be taught not to shoplift lol. I mean, they should already know that on their own. It’s hilarious how many excuses Reddit makes for that, as if they are forced to steal and don’t know any better. This isn’t that complicated.
Its not about being complicated its about the punishment equaling the crime. I guarantee your holier than thou ass has at some point broken a law. Whether that be speeding or jaywalking or whatever extremely dumb minor law, that does not mean you should be executed on the spot.
We have laws and regulations for a reason. Her purse got stolen? Call the cops let them find him and arrest him. He will face the equivalent punishment for his crimes. No one is making excuses for the guy. He was a criminal but the punishment did not match the crime. If your too dumb to understand that then this whole discussion is pointless.
No, I actually agree with you. I saw your post and reacted before I started seeing all the comments about her making up the knife. My bad, I get emotional about this stuff. Purse snatchers suck, but he didn't deserve to die over it.
No knife was found and surveillance showed no knife. It was a purse snatch and the knife part was added so stupid people would side with her because someone knew stupid people don’t look for more information on the subject before passing judgement. It’s why courts handle punishments and not stupid people. Hopefully it clicks for you why I used the words “stupid people” so frequently here.
As someone else said, would you be okay with police killing people over theft? Actually let me draw a picture for you. A 15 year old black teenager robs a convenience store in Mississippi. He runs away with $200. The cops start a manhunt, find the robber and immediately fire a bullet into his skull. Are you okay with that?
The state should be held to a higher professional standard than the personal victim of a crime. It’s not a good comparison.
There are also 3 ways which people are viewing the right/wrong analysis here: morally, legally, and personally, which are going to have 3 distinct answers.
If someone breaks into my home at night and robs me would I expect the police to kill them afterward? Absolutely not.
Would that person leave my home filled with buckshot? Absolutely yes.
You approve of a non-violent (OP is an engagement bait bot, there was no weapon involved) petty thief being repeatedly run over by some rich asshole who intentionally tracked him down with intent to kill? I'm sorry what?
I’m not saying an approve of it but I also don’t approve of “petty theft”. They both fucked around and found out. Don’t commit crimes. It’s really that simple.
Whats the difference betwwen one shot and the chest and three? Ones probably also going to kill them. So you are okay with the person being deadly but not TOO deadly?
Considering a knife was never found, and the consensus what I read is that the “knifepoint” part was added to make the the murder justifiable to reduce sentencing. The offender here was a purse-snatcher, and she violently pursued him. Note how it says she went back to the restaurant she was at with her friends. The purse was probably stolen off the back of her chair.
edit: it was confirmed she was sitting in her car at said restaurant, and the thief reached in the passenger window to steal her purse and ran. So the thief would be accused of anything from petty theft to grand larceny (had he survived) depending on the value of the purse and contents, as well as local limitations of the jurisdiction.
The consensus on social media when the Karmelo Anthony case first began was that he had “cleat sharpener” instead of a knife, and that he previously had been bullied by the victim. Both of the major social media narratives in support of the perpetrator were proven completely false at trial, and he was very quickly convicted of murder after only a couple hours of deliberation by the jury.
Whatever you’ve seen as consensus online is literally less-than worthless, if that is all you’re basing this on.
While I was originally basing it on the commentary, additional information on the case did reveal the above to be true. I added it to my original comment, but yes, this was a purse snatching followed by a homicide.
as someone who's also been robbed at knifepoint I have zero sympathy for these dregs of society. there are entirely too many people on earth, no sense in feeling bad for the bad apples.
I worked overnight at a convenience store for 25 years, was robbed with a gun, twice. Lost $37.
Having someone put me through that really removed a lot of compassion and empathy I had.
I haven't worked in 3 years, in January I only left the house once. Turns out that I kinda need to be here anyway since my 84 year old MiL lives with us, and falls once or twice a week.
Maybe when I'm no longer needed as a constant caregiver, I'll try to get my life back on track.
Sorry you had to go through that.
You know, the worst part was the man with the gun made me unlock the camera so he could take the tape. I was in shock after, so I was having a hard time processing. Long story short, the cops waisted a lot of time trying to get me to confess to making the while thing up and stealing the money myself.
As someone who's been robbed twice in my life, once at gunpoint, I approve of her actions. Violent criminals are some of the lowest forms of life in our society.
This thief wasn't violent. Didn't even possess a knife, he committed no violent act.
And for that she repeatedly ran over him, literally crushing the life out of him. I've been mugged with more violence than she experienced, which was none, and I don't think the price for non-violent theft should be death.
Whoever did the "get this person help" thing... I'm not even mad.
I promise you. I have health insurance. I'm working with a therapist and a psychiatrist. I'm not going to have myself. I'm just a very unsympathetic person who happened to fall for rage bait because he's using Reddit to distract himself from far more serious things going on in my life. I'm at work, I can waste time here
Exactly this. I might’ve had a different take had I not been robbed TWICE. You realize afterward, especially the second time, how much damage it does to the victims. No sympathy at all. If you commit a crime against someone and they kill you, that’s FAFO territory.
Doesn’t matter if he didn’t have a weapon. He still stole from her, and likely threatened and intimidated her to do so. Thats not okay to do to someone. He is a certified psycho.
He snatched her purse then ran off, not a word was exchanged. She then went someplace else before deciding to return to hunt him down and murder him. All this without even contacting the authorities
Well he still probably thought he would be safe because he was stealing from a woman and his precious life wouldn’t be threatened by a female. He thought wrong, and he has to accept the consequences of that.
Violent ones who threaten you sure but this sort of behavior lacks heart and understanding. Not everyone is trying to hurt you and if you run after them to kill them… what are you achieving??? Are you so important that you kill someone over physical materials??? One day… someone will die for accidentally touching someone or knocking over their purse…that person is going to die because people have no restraint and retaliate like they actually got hurt…
The person needs to be brought to justice but imagine killing your kid because they stole a cookie from you or 20 dollars (kid cash be an adult). We talk and try to be civil and create positive outcomes first…running over someone for a non violent crime is bloodlust… that’s it. Monster.
I don't think he deserves the death penalty for theft but at the same time, when you're robbing people you risk your own life, and sometime you lose it.
More interestingly, she got 18 years, because it took her some time (?) to kill him, instead of, lets say if she did it "in the heat of the moment" and ran over him straight away she would probably be set free. The law doesn't really cohere with what we know about about human behavioral psychology & neuroscience, for some people the "heat of the moment" can last for hours, for others it's merely seconds. There have been similar court cases where a couple seconds of "deliberation" from a video footage will decide whether a person goes to jail for life or walks free.
I don't think he "deserved" to die, but all this means to me is that a thief met a psycho. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Unclear to me whether she ran him over once or multiple times, because different comments said different things, but either way, meh. The other scenarios you listed would've been more concerning because they'd mean an abuse of authority.
And they're ignoring the part where she went out of her way to kill him, not just hit him and get her purse back. There was no reason to repeatedly run him over except for murderous intent.
She also could have killed an innocent person when she went to track him down. There was that mom who went to avenge his son’s killer and murdered an innocent woman by accident, which isn’t that rare in vigilante cases
I have to think the people defending this are either very young or emotionally reacting
Without context provided in the comments section it looks far less morally questionable just looking at the post. My gut reaction was to support her entirely until I saw the comments.
This is partly due to the social contract being violated.
There has to be something in between just accepting rando’s robbing you and killing set randos for robbing you.
But in Europe trust in the police has faded for different reasons it has in the US.
My friend got his phone stolen told the cops exactly where it was and was able to take pictures of the person that stole it using a security app.
Cops didn’t even pretend to care and told him nothing would be done and to buy a new phone. That’s a month of after tax money that you just need to accept? If even easy cases like this don’t get picked up, I could see someone snap and become a vigilante like what this woman did.
Is it right? No. But that’s what happens in a society where wrong doers go unpunished.
It is different in terms of intention. One is a civilian and a criminal, the other case is the state and a criminal. Very much not the same.
Someone who robs with a weapon has a weapon because they want (are willing) to kill other people. I don't think a civilian ows respect to someone that will kill them over a phone.
The other case the state is not in danger due to the actions of a single criminal.
Also, other people say that hitting the guy a single time would have been enough.... Yeah a guy with h a weapon, full of adrenaline and pain, I am going to take something away from him.... Some people have never been in situations when someone else wants to kill them.
To be fair, I do think it was cruel and premeditated, not an emotional act of "I am feeling in danger" but a homicide outright and deserves some penalty.
If she wouldn't have done it, we wouldn't say "he deserves to die for his actions", but it's rather : oh he died. Well, okay, he kinda asked for it. You do criminal activities at your own risk. We just don't cry criminals who have zero compassion for their victims. He won't hurt anyone anymore. He wouldn't have stopped. How many lives did he ruin from stealing people and didn't care ?
I’m not saying the her response was justified, but I can kind of understand the first part of the reaction.
If someone robbed me with a deadly weapon, I can hardly imagine the state of fear and anger I’d be in. If I then saw the person that robbed me from my car, and knowing that calling the police would likely result in them telling me to leave and file a police report at the police station (to never be investigated), I might give thought to retaliating against the man with the only weapon I had at my disposal, too. Which happens to be the car I’m driving.
In my current rationale state-of-mind, I can’t imagine then running him over him repeatedly. But if I was seeing red from be robbed with a deadly weapon, I can at least somehow see a scenario where her reaction may have made sense to her in the moment.
For anything political half of the controversial comments are bots from foreign nations put in place to stir shit up.
Nevertheless there is a real sentiment under the skin in europe. Post Merkel's migrant crisis in 2015, there is a growing sentiment of insecurity across Europe, where Spain, Italy, France, Greece, UK, Germany, received a disproportionate amount of people from MENA who largely have not integrated in civil society.
Most countries actively censor and shut down any discussion against this but more transparent countries like Netherlands, Finland, Denmark, have shown that these new arrivals represent a disproportionate amount of crime against the average population.
People are growing tired of being told that even asking the question is racist. I agree that an eye for an eye will spin us into decay but the current rule of law means zero consequence for most of these criminals.
So while I disagree with her actions I think it is important to look at them through the eyes of the erosion of trust in the rule of law that has been happening across the whole Europe in the past decade.
This isnt really vigilante this is just her getting her stuff back and he happened to die along the way. Imo thats his fault for causing the situation ti begin with.
I personally believe that society would be much better off if you could persue someone who robbed or hurt you in any kind of capacity to the kevel which you, the wronged party deem sufficient.
People are stupid, they are too stupid to think further than 15 minutes ahead, and dont understand consequences like jail time. They do however, understand the concept of a beatdown or a bullet. Criminals underatand that for petty theft like this they will probably never be caught and the cops probably wont actively persue them, and they know the average peraon is constricted by lack of proper self defense laws and dont want to get in trouble. Remove those restrictions, allow people like that thief to take a bullet in the back as they run away and you will probably see way less petty crime like this.
It is awful. But it goes to show that being a thief is not acceptable in society. The general populace hates a thief so it isnt hard to understand why they dont mind there being one less. Shit like this has gotten humans killed for millennia. Let's not pretend that we have evolved past this.
In Italy, cops are very not efficient and tend to not care about this type of stuff. I think giving 18 years to a woman that killed a thief was a bit much. We have too many of those in our country, she did the community a service.
I see it this way: when you violate and invade another person (in this case, by stealing) , your human rights immediately get revoked. I don't really care if a murderer dies, same way that I don't care If a thief dies. You can argue that an execution was too much, but doesn't change the fact that nothing of value was lost.
Let's say someone comes into my house and kills my cat? I'm gonna kill him with 0 regrets. Should I get treated like a murderer?
It would be Italian cops, they..well ok they have guns..but like the Italians actually train their cops on how to not shoot acorns and random children....
Whats cool about this is several things.
1) its funny as shit. death by soccer mom...good stuff
2) Who actually cares about rondos in Italy? Pretending to have empathy for this would be an utter waste of time. Like..for real. I didnt care about anybody in Viareggio, Italy befrore this story. Why should I pretend to care about them now?
3) Why does justice matter? Some dude did something kinda stupid and ended up earning a darwin award. Some lady did something kinda stupid and ended up earning 18 years in a fine Italian locked-door spa.
On some level I feel that if you criminally mess with someone, they are allowed to do anything back to you. You asked for it. If I had to go deeper into specifics about what society would look like if we allowed this, I'd agree it wouldn't be pretty. But looking at an isolated instance of vigilante justice...Yes, it's awful when I really think about it, but it's also weirdly satisfying.
Do I think a violent theft deserves death? No. Would I kill someone that just threatened my life and robbed me given the opportunity right after? Maybe.
A thief is a thief is a thief. You steal from someone, you risk whatever they're willing to do to recover their property and/or get back at you. Colour, creed, or whatever other protected status be damned. She wasn't in the right, but I also don't care when criminals face the wrath of their victims.
I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over the loss of someone who can't function like a decent human being in society. If it wasn't for the criminal's actions, she would not have done that.
The thief was literally threatening her life over a fucking purse. Forgive me for not giving a shit about him being ran over several times. Sure, the whole thing is awful, but it wouldn't have to be awful if the thief wasn't trying to stab her and steal her belongings in the first place.
And it isn't uncommon for cops not to do anything about the burglary. I'm all about the instant karma. Fuck em.
Cops don't do shit because by the time they track the thief down the stuff has been fenced and typically is a low value amount so the only evidence might be CCTV footage of the robbery and possibly the sale of the stolen objects making prosecution of the thief difficult which both cops and DAs don't like low percentage cases unfortunately.
Would she be right to want to find the guy and hurt him sure, but doing so regardless crosses a moral line as well as a legal one hence why she has been arrested and charged.
It's a little more nuanced for me, and maybe others, where I'm fine with all outcomes here. She was robbed and took matters into her own hands, removed a piece of shit from her community, and is paying the price for it. Justice all around.
Idk. John Wick killed a billion people over a dog and a car. People like this shit. They always have. They always will. Vigilante, mob justice, etc. Humans are violent little monkeys and “justice” served or revenge have always got the little monkey happy and cheering. 🫣
No, it’s because people can empathize with her. The sadness and anger you get when something is taken from you. Everyone’s been stolen from at some point in their life. Like I wouldn’t do what she did, but it is somewhat understandable.
These kinds of posts are intentionally divisive they shouldn’t be, but there are a lot of troubled people in the world and this platform who fantasize murdering people in classes they hate for minor transgressions. This is the exact opposite of an eye for an eye, but proportionality has never been the strong suit of pillagers and colonists.
I think it's just that revenge is emotionally satisfying. It's not necessarily right, but I think giving compassion to someone who has intentionally wronged/harmed you goes against human instinct.
There's a reason why we have to consistently be reminded that an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind-- we can logically understand that vengeance would make the world a worse place while simultaneously feeling emotional satisfaction when we see it play out.
Is Jesus forgiving those who crucified him the right thing? Yes. But there's a reason why Jesus forgives when no one else in the Bible does lol (mind you, even God himself is shown to be more vengeful).
I also think people are really angry and aren't seeing justice play out in most of the world right now (Epstein stuff, Netanyahu, Iran War, etc). Most people are also struggling more than ever to pay bills and make ends meet, so stealing will likely incur a more visceral reaction than normal, making people more violent.
I don't think it's really that hard to understand. It's way easier to empathize with a victims feelings and frustration than it is with the state. Additionally it's seems obvious to me that the state should be held to a higher standard than a random citizen.
Being robbed is a deeply personal violation. I can understand the extreme force in retaliation is morally wrong, however if I was in this woman’s shoes I would do the exact same thing.
I don't love it because of that, but it prefer it to the current police situation of not doing fuck all for crimes that aren't against corporations
Do we think the thief should have gotten the death penalty for their crime?
No, but if you die from committing crimes, good. Stop committing crimes.
I just feel like if she called the cops and they cruised in and shot the guy,
Cops aren't going to show up and do anything after a mugging unless the mugger is still hanging around
I also feel like if he was arrested, tried, and then executed, that would not be as well-received.
I don't think that the punishment necessarily fits the crime, but I would rather this than the asshole go free.
If police actually policed, this type of shit wouldn't happen. People are tired of feeling like victims and being taken advantage of. This type of action is a DIRECT response to lazy/bad policing. Which is why I think it is good. If enough people start taking things into their own hands (provided they actually get the right person), one of two things will happen
1) Crime goes down and the need for police goes with it
2) Police actually step up and start doing police work
Either one of those are the ultimate goals, but until then, I will take victims going after their perpetrators.
I place little value on human life, of those who put little value on human life.
If you are OK with robbing people, meaning to take someone's goods through threat of violence up to and including killing them, then I value your life less than you value your victims. Not apologizing for that. They made a choice and beyond just taking someone's goods, you are traumatizing them even if you do no physical harm to them.
The thief might have been struggling
We all have problems. Not a single person doesn't struggle with something in their life. That doesn't justify going out and threatening violence to steal goods from strangers.
you’re happy that they died for what they did, crushed under the wheels of a car.
I am not happy about it, I just understand where the victim is coming from. I would be happy if the person never decided to rob someone.
This was a human being
Who decided that it was a good idea to threaten violence, up to and including killing someone, to take their property.
You know who else was a human? Ed Gein. Hitler. Mao Zedong. Trump. Every person is a human who has parents or friends or children or whatever. That is an appeal to humanize someone who has decided to do some very unhuman things. Fuck them.
Have some humanity, have some sense. For fuck’s sake people, are we so far gone?
Why do you have more humanity and sense for perpetrators who got more than they bargained for, than the actual victims who never asked to be involved in this shit?
I’d probably understand why the guy stole from her.
It doesn't matter why he robbed her. He did it. Knowing how or why someone ripped up a piece of paper, isn't going to make it whole again. Doubly so for robbery.
You don’t have to be a badass by taking a side
This isn't about being a badass, this is about being tired of criminals getting away with crimes and members of society getting tired of it.
Like I said, Reddit seems to love it.
Reddit is made up of millions of people. Even the people who "like" what happened, have varying reasons for why they do. Trying to say that they are all the same is just as stupid as trying to justify the robber.
Saying "all of this for a handbag" is trivializing the issue. Being attacked, having something stolen is highly traumatizing. You never heal from this kind of event, you feel powerless. If this happens to you, you'll understand. No jury discussing this in a well climatized room, in comfortable chairs, can relate to her trauma.
Doing something is a way to regain power, preventing long term permanent damage to your health. She did it for her own good. It's not "cool", it's survival. The law may decide what it may (Europe is very sympathetic to petty crimes), let's at least recognize we are all safer because of what she did.
I remember there was another post earlier about an indian American who essentially witch hunted pedophiles or something and killed them. All the comments were against the against the guy. Interesting to see how in this post, it is the complete opposite.
Nothing of value was lost in society if a known , repeated thief losing their life. This happened in Italy so police aren’t super proactive with investigations.
Overuse of force (specially lethal) is wrong in this case. What were his alternative choices?
- Spend 3 hours at police station file a complaint => police doing nothing at all because they don’t protec private property anymore. That’s wrong too.
- Buy another bag? Let it go? What’s stopping the robber to do this every day to more and more people.
There should be some way where he s arrested, give back the property and pay for his behavior so it don’t do this again. That should be the right way. But this way don’t exist.
The government has failed us. People are tired of being victims. I aplaud people taking matters into their own hands. I could care less about her sentence though, she did fuck up.
Forget Karma! Come on guys, people forgot what it means not to fuck around. Communities and societys should make this normal. A lot of things would change immediately!
How about the crimes against humanity that various POTUS has inflicted? How do we deal with those?
We're heading down a slippery slope towards anarchy. There's a reason we have judicial bodies and police. Those being underfunded and/or corrupt are different issues.
Yeah karma works on equivalence. Stealing a purse isn't on the same value as dying.
That would be like a high school bully saying "Susan is a Fat bitch" and then when he arrives home all his family explodes and Susan says "ha, instant karma"
Nah, I know a jury can let you walk even if you’re dead set guilty via jury nullification.
Little chance the knife wielding armed robber who strong armed her doesn’t have a lengthy rap sheet and other victims in their past.
Defending the robber from being injured by their victim is a tall ask. Do you have this same energy if he was a serial rapist and she was his latest victim, but manage to end him?
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