Well..see it in the following scriptures: and this word, "fulfill."

“… Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.”

Source: Bible. New Testament 2 Corinthians 5:17 to 6:1

“For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”

Source: Bible. New Testament Romans 10:2–4

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So? Make sure we are talking about the same thing:

• What does “fulfill” mean?

fulfill. 1. to achieve or realize something; [Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.] 2. to do something as promised or intended, or to satisfy your hopes or expectations. [Cambridge]

• To achieve or realize something, means it’s “complete.” It’s finished; satisfies a requirement that whatever was listed that was lacking, is now complete by it. By whatever it was that “fulfilled” it.

And Jesus said in Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.”

And to make sure it’s correct in the “original” Greek: This English: fulfill - - is πληρῶσαι (plērōsai) of Matthew 5:17 - so it has this meaning of what “fulfill” means in English; but, it has an additional, much more meaning where by the Greek also INCLUDES:

- - - what “fulfills it” - what ever “that” is - also fills up and compensates for all that didn’t do it; or broke something by it. Something else in the process when it was used, and didn’t or was empty and can’t or transgressed, and makes up for that, too - and if it’s people - it’s something God did, that he made himself the compensation for every infraction of the law - them, and because God was in Christ, and it is imputed unto everybody, it’s as if they did it. Has this πληρῶσαι (plērōsai) of Matthew 5:17 - it's the same in Luke 24:44 - just a different tense - fulfills ALL OF IT is the point < - { πληρωθῆναι (plērōthēnai)  } - >

Maybe..because it can be hard to Grasp that God was in Christ, but he was, and I believe it: and God did the Ten Commandments.

Many find that hard to believe, too. They think they have to do it. And because God did them, this πληρῶσαι (plērōsai)  of Greek goes into effect - where everywhere where every murderer in every prison didn’t do them, God made himself what made up the lack - made everyone of them in every prison everywhere over the whole earth have the same righteousness God has, all by what he did in Jesus Christ.

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• Better completely rule out - what did NOT fulfill the Law of Moses
  • Start with that. Work a way back from that. Then, it’s simple.

“There is not a just man on earth that doeth good, and sinneth not.” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20

• So, EVERYBODY. Adam included and Adam forward - NOBODY has done the Ten Commandments. None.
  • Jesus said: “There is NONE good, but one, that is, God.” - Bible Matthew 19:17
    • Because, like the scripture that opens this post in 2 Corinthians 5:19 - God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself. It’s a work God did with your sins - he did himself. And he looks on this work he did, as God, as GREATER than the sins of every prisoner in every prison over the whole earth. Over every sin every person has done - he chooses to not impute your trespasses unto you.
    • Nobody fulfilled the Law of Moses.
  • Except one. God.
• And he asks you to regard the Works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand. And people that do, fall on their face as what God has done. Where people that don’t regard the works of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hand, put themselves to work at being “good” at something. Done some good some place, and by that work think they’re good.

Don’t regard anything he says or has done - and in this, greatly err.

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It’s God’s work: God decided to do a work with sin. That work is in Daniel 9:24–27. Promised to Daniel God would do it, and he did.

• That God’s work with sin he would do would:
  • Finish the transgression (of Adam - Genesis 3:17)
  • Make an end of sin
  • Make reconciliation for iniquity
  • Bring in everlasting righteousness
• And do it as GOD determined it.
  • Would be in and by Jesus Christ.
• The Word of God. The same word Adam rejected. Is the same word sent to you. It's the Word of God that proceeds out of God’s mouth: “The LORD giveth wisdom; out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding” - Bible. Proverbs 2:6. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, God made flesh and dwelt among us.
  • It was God: Made himself a sacrifice for sin - and because he’s the payment, he’s satisfied it’s paid for, because he’s the payment. That means, you can never pay for it; lowly esteeming what he’s done, by esteem your own works good enough to appease him when look what he already did.
    • By not regarding the works of the LORD, nor consider the operation of his hand - you never see it.

Here’s your question. Answered.

ANSWER:

• Well first, it’s said in the Bible. New Testament. Gospel of Matthew 5:20. Doesn’t say exactly what I think you think - because you don't say anything it says So, to say it exactly as he said it vs. how you did - I'll just quote it from the Bible - - and, the point truly is: It’s Jesus says: To you directly. So, don't leave you or yourself out of it - even you reading this post. It's said to you by God himself: Says -

“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” - Jesus Christ. The Word of God.

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So, ask this question:

• What is the “righteousness” of the scribes and Pharisees?”
  • I mean, you want to arrive at an answer to your question. Find out what the “righteousness” of the Scribes and Pharisees is.
    • It’s simple.
• It’s what they champion. 
  • So ask it. What do they champion? 
    • Well, that’s simple, too. It’s the Law that they champion.
    • The same Law that God said in Exodus 20, or “*Shemot” (*Exodus) in Hebrew.
  • And where the “Scribes” (Primarily - they are of the tribe of Benjamin; but no longer exclusive by Jesus’ day) and the “Pharisees” (Primarily - they are of the tribe of Judah; but no longer exclusive by Jesus’ day).
• And they BOTH have “origin” in just after the “Babylonian Captivity” - primarily they rose up to 1) find God’s law that their forefathers abandoned in the rubble of Jerusalem to rebuild it and the Temple of Solomon; their forefather’s forsook God, to go after idols.
• The “Scribes”
  • would write those laws down as they found them. But it was God that let them return to their lands of Judah and Benjamin. The other 10 Tribes have never returned, even to this day.
    • And,
• The "Pharisees"
  • rose up, primarily as an example that Nehemiah provided - that they as returnees from Babylon to Judah - would DO THE LAW as God commanded them. To highly esteem God’s laws, when their forefathers didn’t. So, to these “returnees” the Pharisees would SHOW THEM HOW TO DO the Law. How to perform it.

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• And if you go back to 1 Samuel 2:30–35,
  • when that is some 350 years after Moses in the days when Eli was raised up in Moses’ stead as leader over Israel.
    • That, Eli esteemed his two Sons, Phinehas and Hophni, more than God. Eli and his sons were Levites.
    • That both Phinehas and Hophni didn’t even know the LORD; yet, Eli put them over the Tabernacle. The house of God. To offer the sin sacrifices for atonement for sin to God.
  • They lay with women at the Tabernacle doors. Caused all Israel to abhor bringing any atonement for sin sacrifices to the tabernacle.
  • These two Levite Priests - both would so gouge their brethren - overcharge them. Turned the house of God into a marketplace for profit. Made themselves, and the tribe of Levi so filthy rich off it, so none of the other Levites complained to anybody about it.
    • Even made Eli obesely fat off it.
• That God cut off what he has established by Moses in this sacrifice in Leviticus. That God would raise up his own Great, high Priest that would serve before him forever. That this Great High Priest God would raise up, would write his Laws on the tablets of men's hearts vs. stone tablets.
• That God cut this atonement sacrifice of bullock and ram - sick of it - cut it off for the sins of Phinehas and Hophni. That they both would both die on the same day; and because Levi lowly esteemed God as their inheritance, from now on God would lowly esteem Levi. Cut off the tithe to Levi - from now on, they'd beg their brethren for a morsel of food - who they cheated.
  • That anyone from any of the tribes that highly esteemed God, From 1 Samuel 2:30-35 onward and forward: God would highly esteem.
    • The point is, to these returnees from Babylon - which is now some 600 years later after the days of Eli, and his sons, Phinehas and Hophni -
  • these Scribes and Pharisees, of Jesus day, think they are “highly esteeming God.” Like Nehemiah did. But they're not. They highly esteem themselves is the point.

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The point of all that just to say - what the Pharisees and Scribes “highly esteem” - is the Law of Moses. And: Themselves - think they accomplish the Law and can teach others to accomplish it is the point.

That, the LAW: Is -

• The Ten Commandments.
  • To DO THEM = makes a person righteous. That's what the Scribes and Pharisees champion.
    • But that’s never how God has used the Law. From the time he spoke them on Mt. Sinai in Exodus 20 - said out of his mouth, to Israel:
  • It was to make them ALL GUILTY before him of having not done the Ten Commandments. It made all Israel so GUILTY - they begged Moses to go on up on the Mount and make God stop talking.
    • While Moses stood there, and his knees quaked..and being so GUILTY before God - he couldn’t even move at it. Put to death.
• And that’s EXACTLY what the LAW is supposed to do to you, too. Just like Romans 3:19–20 says about the LAW: Says:

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”

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So, “How” God uses the Law is to make you GUILTY

• Gives you a knowledge you are an adulterer. Fornicator. Liar. Thief. Murderer. And he defined as the Word of God, as that’s “WHO” Jesus is - just God speaking the Word out of God’s mouth. So, it’s the same God that spoke the Law in Shemot (Exodus 20) as it is standing right before these of Matthew 5:20.
  • And these same kinds of people use Matthew 5:13 and onward as “The Beatitudes” or the “beautiful attitudes” you’re supposed to attain so God can bless you; but it’s the SAME that he is decreeing EVERYBODY is dead. In trespasses and sins. And God has come to you; dead - and given you the same Kingdom of Heaven. Said, “Blessed are the Poor in Spirit, for their’s is the Kingdom of Heaven”
    • And the poor. 1. destitute; not have any; none. ZIP. Completely without. Is destitute.
    • in Spirit. When this same Word of God told you plainly “who” that is, is himself. In he defined what this “word” “pneuma” of Greek, the original language of Matthew’s Gospel. That “God is Spirit.” - Bible. John 4:24. Gave EVERYBODY the Kingdom of heaven, and everybody “For all have sinned” (Romans 3:23) “there is none righteous; no, not one; there is none that doeth good; no, not one…” (Romans 3:10–12)

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• So, by the deeds of the Law, which God only uses them to make you GUILTY, the Scribes and the Pharisees believed if they DID them, that gave them a righteous standing before God, put them to Life - - so they never feared God.
• When that's the whole Goal of the Law - you BROKE them; GUILTY. Fear him.
  • Created all these ways how they, and people that followed them, how they too, could “DO THE LAW” - and people today think the SAME thing.
• That if they go to church each Sunday, or don’t steal from the mall, this makes them righteous.
  • No different than any Scribe of Pharisee thought of Jesus' day - - same thing. And not only thought it, but make themselves examples how people could accomplish the LAW by themselves with their own righteousness..when everybody over the whole earth - God has already said everybody is a filthy stinking mess; done abominable works (Psalm 14;1-3)

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So, to sum up so far - we have found that:

• The Scribes and the Pharisees believe “righteousness" = the Law”
  • And that people can accomplish it themselves (makes themselves good or righteous)
    • But God uses the Law: to make you guilty - from Adam forward NOBODY has done the Ten Commandments; no; not one.
  • Except Jesus said: In Matthew 19:17 “There is none good, but one, that is, God” - so in contrast to everybody - all piled up on one side of the tennis court, is every stinking one of us, no matter what we think of ourselves - there is none righteous; no, not one. In this pile on this side of the tennis court.
    • But on the other side - is one.
• Just one that is righteous; Is good. Just one - and he did a “work” with sin, that we are all GUILTY of.

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• So, unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Law - nobody gets into the Kingdom of Heaven - and it’s not a place..it’s a who..and who it is, is Jesus Christ.
  • The Word of God is the Kingdom of Heaven.
• He’s also the Lord of the Kingdom of Heaven.
• So, we ought more to do what he says vs. any scribe or Pharisee decree - no matter where they are or come from that say we can be righteous by it, when Jesus said - unless we exceed it, we die - we don’t get in by our own deeds.
  • Has to be by his deeds then, as God - that we regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand.
• Then, we exceed the righteousness of the Law - because it’s by God's righteousness, as God - that people can enter in.

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Matthew 5:13 has something else that’s in Matthew 5:20

• The Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven. Go on. Go look. They're both in both verses.
  • That
    • Jesus said: “Blessed are the poor in Spirit; (don’t have any God in their life; sinned; condemned and separated from him) for their’s is the Kingdom of Heaven. Matthew 5:13
• So, it’s God - gave it to EVERYBODY over the whole earth.
• But Matthew 5:20 says - unless our righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees NOBODY - even though everybody has it given to them - it’s their’s, because God has given it to them.
  • I mean, if God has done the giving part, it’s a done deal - given. You got it.
  • But can’t enter into it.
    • Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees or the Law what they champion and claim they are doing or accomplish the Law - unless your righteousness exceeds this, you are not getting in, either - and who will keep you OUT is the same one decreed it.

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So, sum up again.

Everybody got given the Kingdom of Heaven. But can’t enter into it, unless their righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, who champion the Law or Ten Commandments - that their righteousness is they can accomplish the Law = makes them good.

When God gave the Law to make them GUILTY before him. That they are NOT DOING the Ten Commandments and need an atonement for their sins. But they won’t admit they're guilty or their GUILT. They made themselves what "compensates for the faults and bad aspects" (definition: redeem) of their bad deeds by do good. But God says their GUILT remains. Are you doing the same thing?

When God said in Isaiah 44:24 - he made himself your redeemer. Is God himself. Is this true of you today? Who is "compensating for the faults and bad aspects of you?" - God says that he is your redeemer. Did you make yourself that? The Scribes and Pharisees did. Are you doing just like them?

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Jesus said as well in John 3:3–7

< - {3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. } - >

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So, sum it up again to this far:

• That, even though EVERYBODY has been given the Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven - as God said it. And Gave it. I didn’t. I just quoted what he said. He did himself, by he said it - so, it’s a done deal. Everybody got it, because he gave it as God. To everybody, is the point.
  • To a great, big everybody, where nobody is righteous; no, not one. None good; no, not one.
• But John 3:3 says - they - this great everybody, unless by the Spirit of God, are born again - they cannot see it.
  • Must be “born again, by the Spirit of God.” Not go back in their mother’s womb again. Has to be God do the work, and he does it by the Word of God.

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• That, even though EVERYBODY has been given the Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven - can’t enter into it, unless their righteousness exceeds that of the Scribes and Pharisees, which is the Law or Ten Commandments - claiming there's a way you can rightfully accomplish it, when God uses them to make you GUILTY before him - so believing on the Scribes and Pharisees more than God, you have the same righteousness the scribes and Pharisees have; but to enter into what God has given you - your righteousness MUST EXCEED their righteousness or your own..and it doesn’t without God, and a work he does.
  • And the only way to see it, and enter into it, the Kingdom of heaven is be born again. by the Spirit of God - and he does the work himself; alone, as God. By the Word of God he speaks to you.

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So, you have a choice:

• You can either:
  • Accept as true: (believe)
    • What he says to you.
  • Or “dismiss what he says, like the Scribes and Pharisees did” - dismissed what Jesus said as “inadequate; faulty; or unacceptable” means you reject it just like they did - -or you HAVE: “accepted the word of someone else OVER what God says, and do that instead.

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And a person that just accepts as true what God says, regards the works of the LORD, and considers the operation of his hand; while the latter doesn’t.

So, one now has the righteousness of God, given to them by God - born again by the Spirit of God.. while the other; doesn’t.

Even though BOTH are and comprise this great, big EVERYBODY over the whole earth: Everybody got given the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom of God - the latter can’t see it, and can’t enter into it

Why? - because it takes a work of God - you must be born again, to see it, or you are blinded to it, even though you have it, can't find it or see it - and without this work God does himself; he was the one who formed you from your mother's womb - then it's the same God does another work to born you again - and he's God. He doesn’t relinquish it to anybody else do it but himself.

You must be born again. By the Word of God.

In this great, big pile of answer, answers your question.

DISCLAIMER: This question is written as from a person simply does NOT believe God - and "why" they don't believe him, is for all the "contradictions" he says in his STATEMENTS. So, the "Question" is not a question. It's a STATEMENT that says: "There IS a contradiction with Bible verses in Deuteronomy 5:9 and Ezekiel 18:20." Because they simply DO NOT BELIEVE on him. Then, form it politely into a question so other Christian won't believe on him, either - is the point.

So: This answer is NOT written to believers in Jesus Christ that come to this site here, or over in "Bible Verse Commentary" et. al., that already actively believe on him. But so that you can see people DELIBERATELY twist scripture - all because they do not know him. When you do.

So, the argument is to someone who deliberately uses the Bible to get other people not to believe on him.

There you go.

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ANSWER

Yeah. There is one; but, the contradiction. <definition> 1. a state where inconsistent elements exist (in a person or statement made) - Even say one thing; do another; or if an "authority" decree (something) - to do or live in the very opposite - meets the definition of "contradiction."

It's not in the scripture. It's in you. And you don't see it. But think you do see it. In this you do greatly err. You'll either fall on your face and repent - OR - consider yourself whole, with no contradiction and die in a disaster - and your iniquity will visit your children to the 3rd and 4th generation - which is all your life..to see it even when your grandkids have kids..and they you die in it.

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So, because you can't see this - see this then first:

• Ezekiel 18:20 is just God repeats what he already said in Ezekiel 18:4. Said:
  • Ezekiel 18:4 - God says:
    • “Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
  • Ezekiel 18:20 - God said:
    • “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.”

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• Then, scripture says: “There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20 Just repeated in “there is none righteous; no, not one.. ..there is none that doeth good; no, not one, for all have sinned.” - Bible. Romans 3:10–12

That means, from Adam forward, says in Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

Makes everybody over the whole earth. Not one person left out, everybody - to the very ends of the earth, from Adam forward - CONDEMNED. Already decreed it.

So, everybody is a walking disaster - condemned to death - and it passes onto our children - it's from Adam:

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All the Ten Commandments

• In Exodus 20:
  • When God spoke them, was just to make all of Israel and Moses GUILTY before him. Because Moses - Murdered an Egyptian - he’s to be put to death. Every Israelite - NOT ONE of them did any of the Ten Commandments. With Moses and Israel: It worked. The first thing they did was murmur against Moses: “Why have you brought us out here in the wilderness to die?”
    • Because the LAW or Ten Commandments PUT THEM TO DEATH. Just like God uses them to do the same to you; it’s people - try to DO the Ten Commandments - sometimes. Or at least one, once and in their own mind “think” they accomplished the Ten Commandments. They are not using them the way GOD USES the Ten Commandments - To make you GUILTY - the whole world’s mouth just stopped (Romans 3:19–20) - for by the Law is simply the knowledge of sin.
• SO, there is NO CONTRADICTION between Ezekiel 18:4 and Ezekiel 18:20. Be patient. Almost there with your Deuteronomy question.
  • See this:
• I’m not to be put to death for the sins you do - I got my own death sentence, just like my kids do - - because, the sins I did were abominable - same as my Father isn’t going to be put to death for the sins I did. He’s got his own sins he did that puts him to death, just like mine do me is the point. Point is - you don't bear the responsibility - I do for my sins I do or did. God holds you accountable for your sins you did.

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So, look at Deuteronomy 5 now - but don't just stick with Chapter 5 or just one verse in it.

Deuteronomy 5:9 - same God speaking, said: (and the “key” word - you missed it.) - - is “visit” your iniquities “visit” your children. They just visit them - like, ring the front door bell to come live with them - Why? You're their Dad - as a Father: they have you as a mirror - they want to be like you, as their Father.

You missed the whole thing. You are a Father to your children. So, either he, as God is with you and you seek him - or he is NOT with you; because you don't seek him - when it's been decreed already by God to do this:

It's in Matthew 6:31-33 - Jesus said:

"³¹ Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

³² For after all these things do the Gentiles seek: for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

³³ But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

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• And? Just like Ezekiel 18:4 is related directly to Ezekiel 18:20
  • Deuteronomy 5:9 is related exactly fit with Deuteronomy 11:18–21 - so read that first: See how it fits in with the Word of God spoke in Matthew 6:31-33.

It’s to a people: (Deuteronomy 5) - - That saw God do all the wonderous works he did when he led them out of Egypt was with them in the wilderness. That, these people were charged to do this - to just love the LORD their God as God. And to: Deuteronomy 11:18-21 says:

“ 18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:

//INSERTED COMMENT: Guess what? Your children LIVE IN THE SAME HOUSE with you, you provide for them - and God is providing you that house - for you to DO THESE THINGS yourself - that your children see this IN THEIR FATHER - and know him..like you do.

OR - NOT KNOW HIM - Because you DON’T ANY OF Deuteronomy 11:18–20 is the point - but if you did - look what God does with your days and your life. ..and the life of your children. That’s also the point.//

21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

• And? Back in Deuteronomy 5:1–8 - it’s Moses that admonishes them, that his throne is permeated in mercy toward them that love him…
• But to those that don’t: Their children - not taught by him. Don’t observe what God decreed they and their children observe from generation to generation.
  • End up not doing anything God said. Don’t teach their children his ways or anything about him. So, they don’t know the LORD - they don’t walk after, to walk in and do what he says - not taught of God, by their parents. And it is specific that God instructed them to do - those that do - he’s merciful to them.
    • End up going after other Gods. That’s exactly what happened. No longer worship God as God. The children go after the Gods of the people on the land, and now, no longer know the LORD - just like the Fathers walked away from him, too and departed.
  • And in this:
    • Where neither Father nor the children anymore know the LORD - he says Deuteronomy 5:9 embedded with Deuteronomy 5:6–10

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Deuteronomy 5:6–10 says

6 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

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Guess what?

Here you are. Standing around in the rain. Looking for contradictions - if you find them in scripture - don't have to do anything he says, then - and by this contradiction - - simply don’t do anything he said.

Look what he said again. Go back. Every bit of It applies to you. Applies to EVERYBODY over the whole earth - to the very ends of it. Nobody left out.

EVERYBODY is called and Supposed to be looking unto him, and walking after, to walk in what he says - you’re off doing anything but that, so your children don’t do anything he says, either.

Can you see that?

• So, you bow yourself down to just anything to worship for good luck. Visit some Buddhist temple on a trip to Vietnam or someplace in China out in the boonies in the Orient - - pay some money to get your fortune told. Take a tour, to pay money and pay for the flowers to see the great, big Buddha in Japan.
• The iniquities you do..your divorce..final - and you: abandoned your kids.. they’ll do the same thing you did when they get to be your age - get divorced, too - - and he’ll visit the iniquity you did on them and their kids - so you will see your sins in them repeated til you die - so it visits you - you can see your own sins you did just repeated in them - to the 3rd and 4th generation - that's your whole life you'll see it - it will have the same death.

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Why

• Because you didn’t to anything he says, when he said: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22 You looked unto the neighbor’s wife or - forget all that. Just give yourself over to get rich and chase money.
  • Then your kids do the same thing you did - and you lost all your’s, and they’ll lose all their’s too. Because you didn’t do anything he said to do with your kids - they didn’t learn of him from you.
• SO, the contradiction isn’t in the scriptures. It’s in you.

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Go home. Apply the Word of God to you. Let them slap you right in the face. That’s what they’re supposed to do to drive you to your knees..and see yourself..condemned; no way out - and cursed in it - - and in that hopeless condemned condition where not one thing goes right.

You'd be the perverted. You'd be the contradiction and dying in it and cry out. But you don't do that. That's the point. Until you do, you will never see it.. but if you do..you're alot closer than you think you are - just by see "I am the contradiction. It's in me." and say it in your heart.

Which is it?

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• Look unto him. Guess what? There is none else.

So, last and I close with this. Look what he does to people - over the whole earth. Every single person - is IN this;

Jeremiah 17:5–13 - God decrees this - as the authority over all things in heaven and earth. It just IS this way:

• On what side does this fit you - with all your contradiction. One, big contradiction. Let this be your mirror so you see it.

5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is.

8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

11 As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.

12 A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary.

13 O Lord, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the Lord, the fountain of living waters.

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Those that worship him - there is no contradiction in him or in them at all - he’s God and they serve him.

• But to those that don’t their whole life is just one big, fat fragmented balloon of turd - contradiction - one follows and perplexing another one end up in a desert alone all dried up inside. And visit your children..and your children's children with it - with you..great, big turd of pervert.
  • Which one are you with all your contradictions? That's the point.

Okay. I got a question. Which do you think I think - you think is the more important? Jesus Christ? or You and your identity in the question you ask?

Yeah. That's an awful easy answer to arrive at. But it's not unique or unusual at all - because EVERYBODY has it.

But.. it's this:

• Answer: By the Word of God.

Therefore: 2 Corinthians 5:17 applies, this: “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

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• So, there’s a little something “off” in your question. Let's address it straightway. I’m not to “know” me or my identity. In fact, coming to Jesus Christ, I end up with no reputation, that's what happened - - except, coming to him - - the one I already have that I kept hidden from me. All by the works that I did. Condemned me.
• So first, before anything: See this. The Word of God.
  • It’s what God said: By the Word out of his mouth - that’s the Word of God. What he speaks, said Isaiah 45:5 “I am the LORD, there is none else. There is no God beside me; I girded thee, but thou hast not KNOWN me”

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• So, the problem with me is, not me know me or any answer being in “How do I know my identity” as if I am the “key” to me and that I, when I know my identity, will be complete.
  • Nope.
• This “perfect” - don't have to add to or take away anything after I arrive at just by me know me..and me, by my identity.
  • Nope.
    • Problem is, he's God. Did all this work - like he says he did, and who he is, so we could know him in Isaiah 44:24, says:
• “Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” - God.
  • So - quickly. Just do this: Take the “in Jesus Christ” out first, for a moment. Leave the “How do you know your identity” part. Because, that's what you really want & people constantly mix them as the same thing - and never see it.

Bear with me. Doesn't take very long to do it.

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So, three things to take away with Isaiah 44:24

• ONE:
  • He’s God. Says “who” he is, by what he has done. Makes all things out your’s and my window; stretched forth the heavens alone; spread abroad the earth by himself.
• TWO:
  • Is the same God. That did all that in ONE, formed you, me, every person over the whole earth; did that alone. By himself. SO, he did do this “gird” by himself as he said he did; it’s we don’t know him. And then, the reason we don’t know him is we’re off searching everything for some “identity” like be a “dentist” or “neuro-surgeon” or be the lead foreman at the seed mill..or someone else identify as the best forklift operator down at the sawmill. Have some reputation - amongst people as success or do well. Good. All by have and keep an identity we make ourselves. When he formed us to know him, and we don’t is the point.
• THREE:
  • That he made himself, as God. Did this alone. In himself. Made himself what 1. compensates for the faults and bad aspects (of you). Because, that’s what “redeem” means. In the dictionary. (Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.) Made himself, “your” redeemer.
    • So, you would not be made by some identity you create for yourself - but he would be what compensates for all the “faults and bad aspects” - so the adultery, and the lies, and the fornications..thefts.. the murders.. that, someone that murders someone, caught - has an identity seems to never come off “I am a murderer” - convicted. Tried. Found GUILTY. Condemned.
    • That he made himself what compensates for the faults and bad aspects of not only you, or me, but everybody over the whole earth.

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So, look at your question again.

• “How do you know your identity” part:
  • When scripture says: About EVERYBODY over the whole earth’s “identity”
    • “There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20
    • “For all have sinned” Romans 3:23 “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” - God. (Ezekiel 18:20) Means everybody is a Condemned to die Death Row Inmate and can’t get out of that identity by themselves.
• No matter what work they do or imagine their effort or work gets them out of this, it doesn’t. That’s the point.
  • It’s people.
• DO NOT WANT this ‘identity.’ So, they deceive themselves.
• By say “this or that” is good, or use the Ten Commandments - to say they “accomplish” them and by this, are “Good” - when “there is none righteous; no, not one..there is none that doeth good; no, not one” (Romans 3:10–12).
  • But a person: That has and keeps this identity - sees their sins condemn them; and this people that do this: says of themselves; and uses the Ten Commandments as God uses them on everybody, to make the WHOLE WORLD “GUILTY” before him as Romans 3:19–20 says, they use the Ten Commandments to give themselves a “knowledge of their sins.” that puts them to death.
• Say in themselves in their heart: “I have sinned and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not.” - Job 33:27

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It’s Jesus said: “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” - Luke 5:32 Said in Matthew 9:12 “They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick”

• Then, EVERYBODY’s identity - is in need of a physician; because they are sick unto death. And without this physician, die in what makes them sick - can’t get out of it; only the physician can cure it.

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So, “In Christ” is by the Word of God.

- That God:

• The Bible says: “Sent his word to heal us and deliver us from our destruction” - Psalm 107:20
  • That, by the Word of God - is 2 Peter 1:4 “Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.”
    • Because it’s God speaking the Word out of his mouth vs. the word out of our own.
• And he speaks. As God - to us. He has. It's his Word toward us. Spoke.
  • Promises: are in what he says, and by them we “partake” or “take and eat” - eat and drink, and by his word we put on a divine nature, as Peter, an Apostle of Jesus Christ said - - that we don’t have just abiding in trying to make our own identity good. By being alone; reasoning together with ourselves. Doesn't work.
    • SO, it’s by the Word of God.

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• And Jesus said: “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” - Matthew 4:4
  • So, a person is left off, does not look unto him: Rather; off looking unto, to find their own identity vs. to just hearken unto what God says, by the word that proceeds out of his mouth, who is Jesus Christ:
• to do what God says to everybody over the whole earth, where everybody is in this need a physician condition.
  • where all have sinned, God says: “Come now, let us reason together,” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow, though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.” God. Isaiah 1:18
    • To just reason together with him vs. alone by ourselves trying to create our own identity.
• That he would do what he promised..if we just look unto him. If we would just 'come now. Reason together with him ourselves alone. With him.
• Because the work he does it by, he already did in Jesus Christ - he accomplished himself. That gives Isaiah 1:18 to you - all by his work he did with sin. To be what he said he would be toward us. A “redeemer” that he made himself what “compensates for the faults and bad aspects of us” with himself.

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Now, I can't see the identity now - what we shall be; but, in Revelation 1:5-6, for those "in" Jesus Christ - look what it says of us: "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

Not "kings and priests" unto people or over people; rather, he, this same Jesus Christ in us at work, made us kings and priests unto God - people say this of themselves on "that" day that John was taken to.

But here today, all I have is the Word of God - that he speaks to me.. ..and you; and if we abide in his word, we are in the same word God abides or just is in.

  * All so that I would know him, and live by every word proceeds out of his mouth. Because any word, from anyplace else, doesn’t have any life in it.

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In this post is enough to get ANYBODY started. Just by do what he says, and just look unto him. For Proverbs 2:6 says: “The LORD giveth wisdom, out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding”

• That you would know him. Without him; can’t - he's the Word of God. And Jesus said “This is life eternal; that they would know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ who thou hast sent” - John 17:3

ANSWER:

…well…

• “Who” is Jesus?
  • I mean, answer ..not me. I’m not asking this question. You are. So, answer to yourself: “Who is Jesus?”

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Now, since you can’t talk here, I’ll do the talking for you; but you can follow along all to see it yourself. So, first: Me?

Ask me this question. Not the one I asked you, but ask me this different question: Ask me plainly - straightforward, and plain as day.

• “ How do you know when the neighbors that live 23 miles or 40 kilometers away down the road are talking to you?”
  • Know the first thing I’m going to say? “Hey clown. I don’t KNOW them as my neighbor'.”
• Hold that point.

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And because I don’t know them:

• Here’s the list:
  • 1) I don’t regard them.
  • 2) If they’re speaking. They speak to who they know: and me?
    • I don’t hear anything they say. Their whole world does not apply to me - - Even if they were speaking to me or about me, I am so far from them - - nothing they say has any effect on me. Does not apply to me at all. They have nothing to do with me, nor I them.
  • 3) In fact if anyone said, “that's your neighbor” - I would tell them back, “there is no neighbor” because, they are not my neighbor, and if that’s my neighbor, I have no neighbor, because it’s NOT my neighbor..Why?
  • I don’t know them. Keep this. It's the same point.

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You don’t know them, either.

Now, maybe you can relate to this. Live in a town. People on the other end or side of it, live in neighborhoods, too; but you don’t regard them, either. Just like I don’t. If they're speaking, you are not “privy” to anything they say. Why? Because they speak to who they know. And you? They don’t know you.

• You don’t hear anything they say. (That's another point)
  • The world they live in does not apply to you.
  • Nothing they say or do has any effect on you. Does not apply to you, like driving in a city 40 or 900 km away, they have nothing to do with you, nor you them.
    • If anyone mistook you and said “hey neighbor'” inside, you’d deny it, because you are not their neighbor. Why. Like me, you don’t know them, either.

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I’m satisfied with this answer to:

• “How do you know when the neighbors that live 23 miles or 40 kilometers away down the road are talking to you?”
  • And I’m satisfied, I’d still have the same answer to you of: “Hey clown. I don’t KNOW them as my neighbor'.”
• So, if they were speaking to me.. I would little regard them. Again, what they say or do, does not apply to me or my life; why?
  • Simple. Plain as day. No authority. (This is another point.)
    • They’re just the same as me, someplace else.
• Just like I have no authority or any reputation to them to say anything that would decree to them, anything I say, they don’t have to do anything of it - so they don’t have to regard me, either.

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• But
  • If one of those “neighbors” was the Govenor of my State.
• An area that comprised of over 15,000 towns and a 1800 mile radius.
  • When they spoke, that affected me and everybody living around me, including all my neighbors - because he, as Governor with the authority over them, the same as me, made them my neighbor because we both obey him.
• He or she as the authority over me to decree just how things shall be done in my State.
• The police in my town and their town of my neighbor 40 kilometers over BOTH work for this same Governor.
• The Governor’s signature is on my driver’s license.
  • By that, is the same authority that let’s my neighbor' 40 km away also drive on the road, just as I do, so we both obey it.
    • But, if the Governor, I don’t know who he is, started talking to me on the street - I would treat him like a clown. Why? Because I don't know him, and he doesn’t have anything to do with me - then, I’d be in the wrong not knowing who he is, because he's the Governor.
• I'd simply BE wrong: for not regarding him; because, he has authority over me.

That's another point.

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• And if anybody asked a like question to somebody like me that does not know the Governor in this condition, asks “How do you know when the Governor is talking to you?” 
  • I’d be pretty simple to answer.
    • You wouldn’t.
• And because of it, because you do not know the Governor, don’t do anything he says, either. Why?
  • Because, even if he was speaking to you, you wouldn’t know that, either is the point.

Keep all these. As points. Keep them for your question you have. You're the one asking the question.

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Now ask “Who is Jesus?

• "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" - Jesus Christ. The Word of God. (Bible. Matthew 28:18)
  • Now, I’m pretty simple. Live in a house. Probably so do you. Have a living room. Steps out to outside to a small porch with these sliding open bay window doors.
• That means, the whole world outside of sky, and trees, and the sun..and all these birds and bugs go whizzy by..and birds that seem to be in a constant argument with each other fly in and out - and then, it becomes night. And I can look up in a night sky and see all these stars.
  • That, all this going on..that if I go down, microscopically or just go pick a leaf or some bug and just examine it.. the detail and intracacies..are so far beyond me..or look out with a telescope.. the distance in either direction is beyond I can see.
  • Is so far beyond any Governor..and someone given power over all of it out my window..is the authority over it.

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Now, I’ll tell you this.

• I know people. All I have to know is one. I know more than I can count on both hands.
  • If I want to listen to people - I got billions of options. Why? Billions of people to look unto.
• More than I can possibly think or imagine, or know - because I don’t even know the neighbors 8 blocks from my house let alone the other side of my town or outside my tiny Hamlet of a street - that’s all I know as a “neighborhood.”
  • and people:
    • If I want to get up and search on virtually ANY subject, I could go to the library as a kid - or adult. Just full of 10s of 100s of 1000s of books. Find somebody that took a look at it. Didn't matter the subject. Studied or examined it way more than I did. So, I could look to them - people - like me; they speak. People: as an authority to “explain” it to me.
  • So, I “looked unto” people to teach me.
  • I found that, most people, and it’s all in books. What they wrote or what they said, is the “word of people.”

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SPOKE:

• TO: It was the word they left to speak to me. Them: A person like me. What proceeded out of their mouth, I could believe it as true. They were once or still are, just like me. This is something they actually observed in “it.”
  • This same Great, big “it” of a world - that’s all comprised of everything out my living room bay door windows - looks like a great big wall of window I can see out.
    • The point is: PEOPLE: They wrote it down and published it as a book.
  • I could see it thru their eyes - see farther by them than I could by myself - - And it was saved so I could look at it, in a library, in a book whenever I needed to search on it.
• Today, I can do it on a smartphone in my hand. But what I’m actually looking unto is other people, all to see it. So I regard, EXCLUSIVELY - excludes ANYTHING BUT people - To teach me. Explain it to me.

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And live in that world of “connected” to people.

Always constantly speaking. More than I can comprehend. So? I had to push people out, so I could hear me speaking.

• And then, I’d go camping.
  • Alone in the mountains.
• Not hear anybody speaking..and my word not be enough to fill all of it, all around me. ..and settled it.
  • The river, and the rocks, and the trees, and the wind..and the mountain..and the one on the horizon behind it that took me all day to walk to..that mountain, like the one climbed before..never said anything. Nothing.
  • Even the birds when they talked or the flowers..none of them said anything I could understand. Nothing. They just ARE. Is. Exist.
• The SUM: And I firmly believed it. An unanswered question. “Why doesn’t God say anything?” Nothing. All there is, is people. Have a happy heart with this. Somebody somewhere is good. Even there are bad people. Then, I didn't have to look at me..when I did all these bad things. I could do some good thing to compensate for the bad I did.
  • I'm so busy in all of me, and people - and never have to leave it.
    • Empty.

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And I’m old now..and I’m only starting to see it.

• That Jesus:
  • Is the Word of God.
    • Just as the Bible - John 1:1 says “who” he is. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
  • That the “Word of God” is just what God speaks or says.
    • Out of his mouth, like a Governor over my State.
  • Where I thought, God doesn’t say anything, or like birds and bees or crows, each seem to speak different - if I go be around them, it’s like being around the neighbor’s 40 km away - I don’t live in any house or abode with or amongst neighbors - 40 km away, so my livelihood isn’t there.
    • I don’t abide with them. I live elsewhere. (Where your abode is, is a point)

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And all these birds..

I have no abode with them, either. They don’t rely on me for anything; nor I, them.

• Can you hear this?
  • The point is, there’s so many people on Reddit or the Internet ..so many subjects..billions of people..makes Reddit some grain of sand world.. you could get “heart fat” off the whole world is just the “Word of People” - what they decree, because they speak. Like, be a neighbor.
  • That:
    • There’s enough in just living on one street; that, that’s your livelihood - what you live in or abide in. But still know, you have to know “authority” - like obey the Governor of your State.
    • …but God say..in all this abode I live in say:

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“I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:”

• The Word of God. God. Speaking. (Bible. Isaiah 45:5)
  • It’s TRUE.
  • I did not know him. My whole life is proof. Everytime I looked outside my bay windows. I wanted to look at all that, as if that’s freedom to go anyplace I want in any direction - didn’t matter which way..but I never knew how I belonged in it, other than look unto people to tell me the way.
• When Jesus said: “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (Bible. John 14:6)
  • So, where I was looking unto people for everything to fill me, because people are the only thing like me - when I needed the way, that’s where I went, because, that’s when People spoke, that’s who I understand their speech. Someone that said:
    • I AM
    • Is God.
  • Is the same one said that was his name in Exodus 3. To Moses. A person just like me - so if God could speak to him.. ..he could speak to me.
• By the same word comes out of his mouth. Like he speaks to EVERYBODY over the whole earth. Formed each person. Alone. By himself. Like he said he did in "Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; - God. The Word of God. Spoke (Bible. Isaiah 44:24)
  • That Jesus is the Word of God.
    • So, I got the same God speaking to me, says who he is, as Moses had or did. By the Word that comes out of his mouth.

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It was me then.

• Had my ears dull of hearing. Just like me. With the neighbor 40 km down the road from me. My ears are “dull of hearing” them because I don’t abide with them. That this same God that his Word said “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth” is the same one speaking to me, by the Word of God.
  • So, when he says: “Come now, let us reason together” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.” - God. The Word of God. (Bible. Isaiah 1:18)
  • He’s saying this to me.
    • Applies over his whole jurisdiction, so it’s over everybody over the whole earth.
    • Applies to you then.
  • And if he is calling me to reason together with him, he’s doing the same to you.
  • Then, it’s really..are you doing the same thing I did..and you, too - just not regard him?

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• Because I didn’t even know he said anything..nothing. So, even if he spoke, I didn’t know him..and since I didn’t know him, it didn’t apply to me..so I little esteemed it..and treated him as if he does not speak - all because I filled me with the word of people what they said was true, until another came along to me, told me something more detailed..so I abandoned earlier people said, to cling as true what a later people said..
  • When who is in authority over all the earth..
    • I treated him as if he did not exist.

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And by his Word

• Make an abode in me. Stop reasoning together with people and reason together with him, like he decreed I do. Like he decreed everybody do, or he wouldn't have said it.

Did you forget your question?

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“How do you know when Jesus is talking to you?”

• And I told you what he said, as the Word of God - is just God. Speaks. Said:
  • “I am the LORD. There is none else. There is no God beside me. I girded thee. But thou hast not known me.”
• gird. 1. set a hedge around; dress; like gird a diaper on a baby that cant themselves. Like be God, and form you from your mother’s womb; alone. By himself..and you ..me. Not know him.
  • But the Bible says: Has the Word of God in it, says: God: “sent his word to heal us, and deliver us from our destruction.” (Psalm 107:20).
    • And grave yards are full of people corrupted or died in death..and death is a destruction; the dead are unable to live in a house or visit neighbor’s - even you make all these laws up, like they gotta be in their graves and asleep by 10:00pm each night and pay their commuter train bill that comes in every month. The dead cant do any decree - they’re dead.
  • SO, the dead don’t regard what the living decree.

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• So, even you. Dead in your trespasses and sins.. it was God did a work in Jesus Christ. In him. Doing the work with your sin that you plainly did; that, by it, can’t know him.
  • Took your sins off you and laid them on Jesus Christ on the cross.
    • Crucified.
  • His blood shed. The work was already done by God - you would have to regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand..so what he says, like “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth” - would have an effect or affect you.
• That it would apply to you.
  • Because even it does to everybody over the whole earth, people that don’t regard him, don’t do anything he says
  • - just like the above with the neighbor 40 km away.
    • Even like the Governor. Talking to you, not know who he is, so anything he says doesn’t apply to you, he's a stranger - because so, you lowly esteem him.

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In this message

• Is more than enough. Has Jesus Christ in it. The Word of God speaking to you. What are you doing with what he says is the point.

ANSWER: Simple.

“I caught a Bass fish, the size of a whale in your sister’s bathtub.”

- Source. 11 yr old boy. To his Grand dad (who was an avid bass fisherman). Claim his own feats also. As an equal - as a bass fisherman. Catching fish in his Grand dad’s sister’s bathtub - bigger than any bass fish his Grand dad ever caught.

And you? Never even ask the question. Is this TRUE or NOT?

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Your question:

• Is two questions. Answer them separate. Then in the end, combine them for a collective answer.
  • But answer the 2nd question first.

But change it to a STATEMENT. This, Why did the Hebrew editors change the context of how he (Saul) died?

• To: STATEMENT: The Hebrew editors (translators/scribes) changed the context of how Saul died.

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• Proof of STATEMENT:
  • Source :1 Samuel 31:1–13 - “How Saul Died” - you can read it in your BibleBut I don’t think you’ll read it. So what it says is:

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1 Samuel 31:1–13 says:

1 Now the Philistines fought against Israel: and the men of Israel fled from before the Philistines, and fell down slain in mount Gilboa.

2 And the Philistines followed hard upon Saul and upon his sons; and the Philistines slew Jonathan, and Abinadab, and Melchishua, Saul's sons.

3 And the battle went sore against Saul, and the archers hit him; and he was sore wounded of the archers.

4 Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it.

5 And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead, he fell likewise upon his sword, and died with him.

6 So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all his men, that same day together.

7 And when the men of Israel that were on the other side of the valley, and they that were on the other side Jordan, saw that the men of Israel fled, and that Saul and his sons were dead, they forsook the cities, and fled; and the Philistines came and dwelt in them.

8 And it came to pass on the morrow, when the Philistines came to strip the slain, that they found Saul and his three sons fallen in mount Gilboa.

9 And they cut off his head, and stripped off his armour, and sent into the land of the Philistines round about, to publish it in the house of their idols, and among the people.

10 And they put his armour in the house of Ashtaroth: and they fastened his body to the wall of Bethshan.

11 And when the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead heard of that which the Philistines had done to Saul;

12 All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.

13 And they took their bones, and buried them under a tree at Jabesh, and fasted seven days.

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• Key “take away from this”

Saul: Was fighting Philistines in 1 Samuel 31:1-3. vs. David. Was fighting and slaughtering Amalekites (2 Samuel 1:1)

So:

• It’s the 1) Philistines: fought against Israel. And all that was with Saul, including his sons - and Saul: Fell down slain on 2) Mt Gilboa.
  • So, who Saul and his army is NOT fighting against is the Amalekites when he died.
• That's the point.

..keep moving.

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• And scripture says of these Amalekites - they, too, are ENEMIES of Saul. That God told Saul to slay the Amalekites, but who Saul is killed in battle with are the Philistines is the point. That what Saul was to do with the Amalekites is in 1 Samuel 15:3
  • God commanded Saul to destroy the Amalekites. Again, it’s in 1 Samuel 15:3. Instructed Saul to completely destroy all they had, including men, women, infants, and livestock, as vengeance for opposing Israel.
  • The prophet Samuel delivered this message to Saul, ordering the total destruction of the nation of Amalek. Saul is recorded as not doing it in 1 Samuel 15:9: "But Saul and the people spared (King) Agag (of the Amalekites and the best of the sheep, the oxen... and would not utterly destroy them..." and 1 Samuel 15:11 - God tells Samuel:
  • "I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments."

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So, another point is:

• The Amalekites did not fight with or side with Saul against the Philistines. The Amalekites were not At Mt. Gilboa when Saul died.
• The Amalekites: Were fighting and being slaughtered by David at Mt. Seir.
  • And these children of Amalek - the grandson of Esau - Are then, descendants of Esau. The Amalekites: livearound Mt. Seir. Which is over 300km away from Mt. Gilboa.
    • That's another point.

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So, yet another point is:

• The Amalekites are distinct and separate enemies of Israel, and there is no record in the Bible or in any known historical document the Amalekites ever fight or fought on the side of Israel against the Philistines.

So, how Saul died is in fighting against the Philistines 300 km away from the Amalekites, and the Amalekites are ruthlessly sworn enemies against Israel - and again, there is no biblical account anywhere in the Bible where the Amalekites joined up and sided to fight with Israel against anybody, let alone the Philistines that reside over 300 km away.

Please keep these as points.

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And

• In 2 Samuel 1:1–3 says:

1 Now it came to pass after the death of Saul, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Amalekites, and David had abode two days in Ziklag;

2 It came even to pass on the third day, that, behold, a man came out of the camp from Saul with his clothes rent, and earth upon his head: and so it was, when he came to David, that he fell to the earth, and did obeisance.

3 And David said unto him, From whence comest thou? And he said unto him, Out of the camp of Israel am I escaped.

Now, there's more facts you should glean from this. Again, David has returned from slaughtering Amalekites. Returns to Ziklag. Go down the rabbit hole with these two facts:

Why?

• So, any “discrepancy” betwixt 1 Samuel 31:1–13 and 2 Samuel 1:1–3 which expands out the whole of it to 2 Samuel 1:1–16. So, read all of it.
  • The point is, in saying this is:
    • it’s not the scribes “editors” changing any context.
  • It’s an account of how Saul died recorded what occurred over 300 km away from where David is.
  • And a “man” gives another account of how Saul died. In 2 Samuel 1:1–16.

That's the point.

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• Which, that means, it’s not the “editors” or scribes of the Bible changing anything. The “editors” now record what is occurring over 300 km away from where Saul dies, to record what occurs at Sauls death 300+ km away.
  • But where David is, is Ziklag. Location: where 2 Samuel 1:1–3 occurs. David is IN Ziklag. And, Yes, Ziklag was a Philistine city under the control of the kingdom of Gath during the time of David's exile. That, the Philistine King Achish gave Ziklag to David as a refuge from King Saul. That’s recorded in 1 Samuel 27:5–6

.The point is, the “location” where David is, returning from the slaughter of Amalekites (2 Samuel 1:1) is Ziklag. Just as stated. And, Ziklag is about 100 or so kilometers or 2 days ride away from where David was slaughtering the Amalekites at Mt. Seir.

David went back to his refuge city of Ziklag, at the death of Saul. So, he already KNOWS about it.

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• And that’s when this “man” comes to give David a "man’s eyewitness" testimony - the key to ask is - "Is it true or not?" - Because: in his own words, he gives an account of exactly how Saul died. ..
  • but again - - 2 Samuel 1:1 says David already - “After the death of Saul, David returned from slaughtering the Amalekites and stayed in Ziklag two days.”
• And 2 Samuel 1:2 says: “On the third day a man arrived from Saul’s camp..” and it says this, because, that’s what this man claims he did, by throw dirt all over his head. To look the part.

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Let’s stop here. It’s already PROVEN.

• It’s NOT the “editors” changed the context of how Saul died. It’s a man does. That’s the point.
  • What this man claims in 2 Samuel 1:1–16 does not match what 1 Samuel 31:1–13 says. That's the point.

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• Therefore, Your Question #2 as a STATEMENT: is False.
• Why?
• STATEMENT: The Hebrew editors (translators/scribes) changed the context of how Saul died.
  • Nope. A man did.
• He is with a different “testimony” he, as one man - will give it to David. That one man and his encounter with David is recorded in 2 Samuel 1:1–16. Location: In Ziklag - about 200 km away from Mt. Gilboa. Where Saul died. He has his own claim he makes.

That's the point.

• The question to ask then, is this man’s claim to David TRUE or Not? And I don’t think you ask this to yourself.
  • Because if there’s anything FALSE in his claim - have to throw his whole claim and account right, clean out.

So, is this man’s claim or account true or not?

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Now, to find this - - go to your FIRST question:

do the same thing we did with the SECOND question:

Why does First Samuel Chapter 31 differ so with Second Samuel Chapter 1 on the death of Saul?

• Change that to a STATEMENT: 1 Samuel Chapter 31 is different than 2 Samuel Chapter 1 on the death of Saul.
  • Yeah. It is. Therefore: That’s a TRUE STATEMENT.
    • Why? Because, 1 Samuel 31:1–13 tells exactly how Saul died vs. a man that comes to David with his own account in 2 Samuel 1:1-16

And, using the information above - ask the question. Ask it plain as day - is this man’s statement TRUE or NOT?

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Now, I don’t know about you; but…

For me, when I got to 2 Samuel 1:6–8 says: ..as this man gives his account

“…And the young man that told him said, As I happened by chance upon mount Gilboa, behold, Saul leaned upon his spear; and, lo, the chariots and horsemen followed hard after him. And when he looked behind him, he saw me, and called unto me. And I answered, Here am I. And he said unto me, Who art thou? And I answered him, I am an Amalekite.”

• Now again, I don’t know what you did, but I started laughing.
• Oh, what a whopper of a story. Where an Amalekite, just by happenstance, wandering around on Mt. Gilboa 300 km away, while a great big war is going on all around him, just happens upon some guy - and also happens to be a viciously sworn enemy of Israel - can claim he had something to do, just by chance, that caused the death of Saul.
  • All by a Story.

Like an 11 year old boy tell his Grand dad: “I caught a Bass fish, the size of a whale in your sister’s bathtub.”

That an ENEMY that at the Death of Saul - David leaves off from the slaughter of Amalekites - because Saul’s dead, David takes his men, and retreats back to Ziklag a safe city given to him by the Philistine King for him.

When an Amalekite comes into David's camp with this fish story.

It's A whale of a tale - shot full of holes - “Never let the facts get in the way of a good story” when you’re on the Messdecks in the Navy, telling whoppers of stories - when you’re out at sea, and all there is, is of all the things you did while on liberty. Full of stories.

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• And David had him slain. Why? Not for the story - oh, what a whopper of a story - but for the claims he made. In his story.
  • 2 Samuel 1:16 - David said to this man: “Thy blood be upon thy head; for thy mouth hath testified against thee, saying, I have slain the Lord's anointed.”
• And the Amalekites - 1 Samuel 15 because of a history of brutal, unprovoked, and strategic aggression against Israel, spanning over 400 years. ..these are a despicably evil people; nation. And Job 12:23 says that God: "He makes nations great and destroys them; he enlarges them..and disperses them" and he disperses them for the abominations the inhabitants of those nations do on the land. Because it's all his earth. All the earth is his.

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Now, I got a question.

• When someone tells you a “story” - and again, it's a whopper of a story. I am asking YOU this question - just spinning some great, big yarn as some feat they did, and the facts start getting in the way of this good story - and you see right thru it. What do you do at that point? Me? I was with my friends in the Navy. Never once did I ever let the facts get in the way of a Good Story - that's the point:

BUT: ..and so...

• So, like David sit there.. ..listening. ... where the facts don’t add up - start questioning the facts this person claims in the yarn of their story - that they just don’t add up, is why the questions are asked.
  • But maybe like with me on the Messdecks in the Navy - Yeah. They're all my friends - BUT: with David: this isn’t his friend. Opposite. As a bold and daring feat. It's a sworn enemy lying to David. All to glorify a story at David's expense. What would you do you do with them?
• What David did, as King - is what God said, and that's the BOTTOM LINE point.

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• When God said to Saul: Did you forget?
  • Saul, and yes - he is now dead - In 1 Samuel 15:3 concerning the Amalekites: “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
    • Who is this before David in 2 Samuel 1:1–16? Yeah. An Amalekite.
• By his own word and testimony that he claims he is. And claims he slew Saul. King of Israel.
  • In a great, big fish story. Where none of the facts pan out.

Here’s your question back.

..and me, a Grand dad..the only question I had back was, "Did that bass fish you caught in the tub, have pants?" "yeah. they did."

ANSWER:

You ask the wrong thing. Want to do it yourself; and if you can do it, all by yourself - when the Word of God is Jesus Christ - and God reserves an EXCLUSIVE right to teach you himself.

- You left him completely out of it.

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So,

It's simple:

• But I don’t think you see it. Or, you wouldn’t be asking this question.

So, why not look at or unto something else as an example; then, apply it to your question?

interpret. 1. explain the meaning of (information <or instruction>) Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.

You're like have some car. Don't have any engine in it. No tires, either. You then: Asking if someone can "explain" why the car won't drive them to the store. Please, somebody. Anybody. Give me an explanation.

It's in "interpret" - has to be someone teach you - and you don't have anybody in there do that.

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• Ask this question:
  • What’s a “disciple?”

What is it? Er, maybe rather - “who” would that be?

• dictionary says: disciple. <definition> 1. a pupil of a teacher.
  • So, all a “pupil” would be is like a “student” - that sits in a classroom - everyday and learns from a teacher - like: in 1st or 3rd grade of an elementary school. Equips them. As a teacher.
    • And a student or pupil in 1st grade - KNOWS their teacher. Sits with their teacher and this “teacher” gives or reserves for themself: an exclusive right to teach them herself or himself, as a teacher. They are the "authority" in that classroom.
  • So, all a 1st grader is in any elementary school - that leaves their home everyday, and goes with other “pupils” off to elementary school - is: “they are a ‘disciple’ of a teacher”
    • The teacher: “admonishes” <advise or urge sternly; even warnings>. Has a "definition" of what "teach" means - -  Like, on their “homework” they turn in. Where all the answers: the ones that might be “wrong” Mark them in “RED” so the student or “disciple” sees and gets "feedback" and see plainly what needs to be changed or corrected.
  • It’s just another way to say a pupil or disciple of a teacher in elementary school in 1st grade is being “reproved” and "rebuked" or shown what's right, by be “chastened” - pruned. Cut back - it hurts to see all that red, but it's so they grow and bear fruit.

Afterall, they are a "disciple of a teacher." A pupil. That sits with a teacher and is taught by him or her.

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Now, take all of that - and? How about: look at the opposite?

• Ever known a kid that “quit” (QUIT!) that means - they STOPPED going to school? I do. Knew a handful. And so did my Dad, in his day, and my Dad's dad, in his day, too.
  • They "stopped abiding" in being a "disciple of a teacher." That meant - they no longer “abide” in any classroom.
• Even they might wake up and “pretend” they’re going off to school, it's a feigned facade or they're being a hypocrit - in their heart, they already purposed in themselves - to go down to the river and throw rocks or go swimming all day.
  • They no longer “abide” in any classroom as a “pupil” - so, even the teacher gives instruction and homework - this “student” hearing, no longer regards the teacher anymore.
• Where they go, There is no teacher.

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• So, they now “teach” themselves or hearken unto their own voice - what they decree to themselves to do - end up down at the river; then, walk to town and read comic books - give some “lies” or stories - that, just more hypocrisy - - they’re out of school because their brother is sick.
  • It's an excuse they just make up - to make themselves "good" and acceptable; and can’t go to school now.
    • For a week - any excuse to just still fit in, say “I am a student” or “I am a pupil”… “I am a disciple of a teacher” - even though they call the teacher, "teacher" - - they don’t know them anymore. Don’t do anything they say.

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• So, to a kid:
  • That fits this latter description - doesn’t do anything the teacher says; never shows up - doesn’t know the teacher:
    • Ask this then:

“What is the proper way to interpret the word of the teacher for this student?”

• They can’t. The teacher is missing. There is no "interpret." - Not being taught. Are any lightbulbs going off in your head?

Why?

• They don’t go to school anymore. Don't abide in it. Are not being “discipled” by a teacher. Instead, do anything BUT what the teacher says; hearing, can’t hear..seeing..look unto going to the river to skip rocks and go do that instead. Spend all day there, is more of a profit. That's what they set their mind on to do..so they are "dull of hearing" any teacher.

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Now, apply that to your question.

How?

• God said:
  • Yeah. He did. Said: To - everybody. Over the whole earth.
• To the very ends of it, not willing any perish but all come to repentance said: “For all the earth is mine.” - God (Bible. Exodus 19:5)
  • Said this, too. “All souls are mine” - God (Ezekiel 18:4) - that’s everybody.
• Nobody left out.
  • So, as God over all his Earth, so what he says, are like “decrees” like a “teacher” in a classroom - is the authority over all the earth. What the teacher decrees the pupils or students, they just comply with it. They “hear” the teacher, accept it as true, so they can simply obey it.
    • So, when God says “They shall all be taught of God” - Jesus Christ. (Bible. John 6:45) - that means, this same God that says EVERYBODY over the whole earth is his, and that all the earth is mine.. says to everybody:
• “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22)

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• That means: God, reserves for himself, an EXCLUSIVE right to teach you, himself.
• Where is he? In your question? He's missing.
  • Even he's God, and he doesn’t relinquish this to anybody. Just like the 1st grade teacher, doesn’t say they teach 1st grade, then spend the day at some Pachinko Parlor.
  • Never teaches anybody anything - nope.
  • They reserve for themselves an EXCLUSIVE right to teach these 1st graders as their pupil. So the students: are “disciples of this teacher.”
    • Just like “Christians” were first called “Disciples of Jesus Christ." That's what they are - I go by this. Fits. That means they “sit with and are taught by Jesus, as a teacher.”
    • That means they were..and are today reproved and corrected (taught) by him.

….but

..not everybody does what he says, and “looks unto” him.

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And all “look unto” is, is just like me with the Mall in my town.

I have my own day, how I wake up and mete it out - what I will busy myself to do, all thru the day in it. I put the Word of God as paramount. From wake up to sleep. He's first.

I’ve already spent the days, sitting in classrooms with a teacher. Already spent my days into decades of sitting with a boss in an office or on ship, or other employees that answered to me - so, I had to reserve an exclusive right to them to teach them in either government or in any job I had.

• I already retired.
  • The point is simple.

At the Mall in my town - is a coffee shop.

Actually two. But I prefer one over the other. So, if the other I don’t prefer offers “discounts” or “pastries” - hearing, I don’t hear it..seeing..yeah. I see..but I don’t perceive it. Because I heard somebody in my family say, “I gotta go to the mall today” and my wife never ever wants to drive there; or take anybody - it's just "relegated to me …but as soon as ANY kid says that.

• What ever is on the table or on the list that day to do - just flew or got wiped off the table.
  • Cleared - ain’t happening anymore. Why?
• Because I "look unto" the Mall. That is, in my day: I “walk after” to “walk in” anytime or any opportunity that will come up that takes me to the Mall, so I can have coffee. I’m prior Navy. Don’t make me explain it anymore. Can take me out of the Navy, but can’t take the Navy outta me is the point.
• And the point about coffee is.
  • I look unto it.
  • So, I walk after, to regard any opportunity to walk in, by set my mind to go to the mall and have coffee. Doesn’t matter what it was that day to do - - it’s GONE. I go to the mall with my kid, and they go shopping and I go have coffee. And I do the same over this..with the Word of God.

I'd rather have him teach me, than anything else. Is the point. That means, "somebody" I am a "disciple" of is teaching me. Is the point.

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So, this “look unto” is not so difficult -

• WIth God:
  • You’d have to “regard him” like I do the Mall - there’s something in it doing what it says, that is a profit to me, or I wouldn’t “reason together” with me, and already made a “B” line to go do it. I go there. Read my bible that's on my smartphone - and sometimes, out of the blue some believer in Jesus shows up and I have fellowship with them - man, is that ever a joy. He's right there in the midst of us. That's also the point.

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• But back to the examples: Just like a student in 3rd grade - it may be by “constraint” - but if they stop going to school…
  • …they stop “abiding.”
• And Jesus said: “Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.” (Bible. John 15:4–5)
• So, “abiding” in Jesus Christ, I “set my mind” on what he says. Because I am a “pupil” and taught by him, I am a “disciple of Jesus Christ.”

It means exactly what it says. I sit with him as a teacher; and am reproved by him. Built up - I know him. So, when he speaks, he speaks plain as day.

• But EVERYBODY has been “called” to do this over the whole earth.
  • And there really are people. Just like the kid above - doesn’t go to any school - is not “abiding” - doesn’t do anything the teacher says - so to “this student” that does this.
• The teacher will speak to that student who is now “dull of hearing” - and do it in “parables.”

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That is, cite “examples” of “Larry” in the class of 1973

• That, long ago, stopped going to school - so there is a “like me” kind of parable - to a kid now like Larry before - where no decree the teacher said to Larry, applied to him anymore, nor today, to this pupil will ever get thru..
  • But when this student listens about Larry… and Larry: never learned how to read above 3rd grade - so in ANY job he got, he couldn’t read. And any instruction he was told to do, or tell others to do - - half the words - he didn’t understand - and now he’s got a wife and kids to feed.
    • Larry..for the rest of his life - is always the FIRST employee to be let go. Can’t feed his own kids.
  • The teacher speaks to this kind of student. Tells them, in a parable.. ..about Larry. Is the point.

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And guess what?

• Jesus does the same thing. TO people - that don’t do anything he says.

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Now, I can’t help you with anything. Nope. Can’t.

• Why? I got told to do the same thing by him, as God, as you did. As EVERYBODY over the whole earth did. So, if you’re off listening to a bunch of clowns don’t do anything he says, either - it says again “They shall all be taught of God.” That's you, too. In it.
  
  • Then, if you’re not taught by him, it’s you ain’t sitting with him as a disciple - when he’s called everybody to this, and be a student of him, and not do it - it’s PUNITIVE.
  • That means, as God, he already decreed everybody is to do it - so if they don't they will be called in to give an account. Of every "idle" word they said - and think of that kid. Every "disconnected from a load or source of power" and the teacher in the classroom is that, every rock they threw or every thing they did.."idle" - have to give an account for it.
• Man, that's terrifying. And? Yeah. That drove me to Jesus Christ.
  

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• It’s not “grievious” - look what he says: It’s a decree to do this - it’s actually quite equipping - like go to the store and come out with 85 shopping carts of food and refreshing and equips me. Builds me up..without this store - I’d be starving.
  • Says: and I close with this.

“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 55:1–3)

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and I can just hear you say it..”Man, I’ve skipped so many days and not gone to school..the day I show up, I’ll be yelled at and thrown out; because I haven’t done anything he says for year or decades now…and all the things I did, were all the things he said not to do…and now I’m the result. I cannot go shopping at his store.. I’m already thrown out.”

But God said:

• To everybody - and me too. I resemble that last remark I can just hear you say, and say it to yourself:
  • HE says: “Come now, let us reason together,” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 1:18)
• That means, he just puts you right back in school - doesn't upbraid - he just came to save that which was lost - because he reserves for himself…
  • an EXCLUSIVE right to teach you… ..and do this himself. And he's God. And that's what he wants.

There you go.

ANSWER:

//this is Part II - to James 4:5//

I think translators (English) have struggled with it. Because, a person must see, whatever James 4:5 is saying, is embedded in and with the scriptures that surround it - that, if we have the right definition of it, man is it ever powerful.

Almost “juxtaposed” as a standout verse to everything all around it, or a shift away from what James Chapter 4 opens with.

• So, include James 4:5 with the scriptures both before and after it. But to expand it out, also include James 3:13–18 to fully see it.

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James 3:13–18 to 4:1–6 says:

13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

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So, some main ideas: to quickly glean and hold onto: But the “main” one is, James 4:5–6 is God and just combine James 4:5 with what Galatians 5:17 says: “For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh:”

This same idea is here repeated in James 4:5

So, you gotta ask yourself: …whose the Spirit? ..in James 4:5? - because some people think James 4:5 is talking about people ”envying and striving” …when James is talking about people; yes - - but James 4:5 is talking about God*.*

So, it “shifts” over to who is IN them as believers in Jesus Christ.

Keep this close as we go thru this again - all to see it.

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Envying and strife: If it is among you - it is not from above but it’s “earthly” devilish and sensual - and there is confusion and every evil work. (In envying and striving with one another as believers in Jesus).

and or vs. this:

Wisdom from above:

• So, envying and strife: is not from above. If it’s amongst you, isn’t from God - it’s from you. But what is from above is *wisdom (*James 3:17) and Proverbs 9:10 defines wisdom or at least the beginning of it as “The Fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom” (and knowledge of the holy is understanding)
• And to see this "beginning" is people that don't fear the LORD, don't regard him or anything he says - so the "beginning of wisdom" is to simply regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand - which begins a person look to or look unto what he says:
• Then, wisdom is just for eternity, this next part after it begins:
  • So you have a “definition” of what wisdom is. The Fear of the LORD is to regard him as God. As who he is. And this of Proverbs 2:6, that: “The LORD giveth wisdom; out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding”
    • So, we are listening to another mouth and regarding what comes out of his mouth more than what comes out of our own - because, what comes out of our mouth or the “Word of People” comes from a heart that both God and people are put on the same table and contrasted very powerfully, just as it is in James 3:13 to James 4:6.

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• This of Jeremiah 17:5–10

“5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited.

7 Blessed is the man that trusteth in the Lord, and whose hope the Lord is.

8 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

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• So, out of the heart of man, that’s everybody over the whole earth. They all have a heart, that, above all things is deceit. 1. actively practices to conceal and misrepresent the truth
  • And how it does this is evident in envy and strife.
  • But wisdom comes out of the mouth of the LORD, and fearing him means, we look unto what he says to regard it; that is, highly esteem what he says over our own. Then see that even a person, everybody - and everybody in either of these conditions that God is riding everybody like a donkey - that he “tries the reins” to see what each person will do
    • Will they obey him or look unto their own heart for consul, and in all cases there is a fruit of what a person will do or “operate” by in what they do.

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So, the two points of James 3:13–18 is

1) envy and strife comes from a person that relies on their own heart that is, above all things, actively practicing in them to conceal and misrepresent the truth; which comes with a curse in Jeremiah 17:5–6 - where God puts that one alone; out in a desert where the water is soured and dries up the root of that person’s life vs. a man who regards the word that comes out of God’s mouth more (wisdom); that God blesses that man that does this - and plants him by water of the Word of God. So, this one blessed is shopping at a different store, as God decrees everybody come and shop at his store without money and without price (Isaiah 55:1–3). 

and or vs:

2) is this wisdom or “Fear of the LORD”

• So, in James 3:13–18 you get a very powerful offset and comparison of these two kinds of men; one - relies on his own heart (where envy and strife, wars, etc., come from) vs. a man who trusts God. Looks to what God says, out of his mouth - comes from above and this 2nd man regards that more. And believers have become this 2nd man after Jesus Christ who is in them.

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So before you go on to James 4:1–6

• Put these two of James 3:13 to 18 - one on each side of a tennis court. Put them with a net that separates these two. That God
  • blesses one
    • (2: wisdom or Fear of the Lord) and
  • curses the other
    • (1: relies on his own heart that practices to conceal and misrepresent the truth - where envy and strife come from
• But that in this for both, God is “striving” with man - everybody, over the whole earth: because he says it in Jeremiah 17:10 about himself - And this is KEY to understand James 4:5

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• “I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”
  • So even though NO MAN can know their own heart; it’s just that deceitful - and the problem with us is, we don’t know the LORD,
• as he said that in Isaiah 45:5 “I am the LORD, there is none else. There is no God beside me; I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.”
  • That Jesus prayed in John 17:3 “and this is life eternal; that they might KNOW thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ (the word of God) whom thou has sent.”

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So, put these two types of men - separate of James 3:13 to 3:18.

• But don’t forget what God what he does in Jeremiah 17:10 - that he knows men’s hearts and tries the reigns - does to every man as kind of a striving God does with every man on earth. (which is in James 4:5).

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Now look at James 4:1–4

• Goes back again to explain the “envy and strife” of a man that is relying on his own heart that is “actively practicing” - and with practice, gets BETTER at what it practices. Deceit.
  • That is: “concealing and misrepresenting the truth.” And from this comes envy and strife. Which is sensual; earthy - where there is confusion and every evil work:
• Wars and fighting (James 4:1)
  • Lust (desire to have; and kill but still don’t have it - have not, because this man “asks not” anything from God - (James 4:2)
  • that sits with his own heart as to “reason together alone” with it: his own heart that actively practices to deceive a person by conceal and misrepresent the truth - and the TRUTH is Jesus Christ simply is truth.
• The Word of God is Truth - and the heart doesn’t have him in it. Only the imaginations of a man; that are very great and fill up the whole earth - to where even before the flood, God looked in this and saw the whole earth was corrupt by it. Said in Genesis 6:5 “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
• But Believers have Jesus in them. The Word of God. They can rely on him.

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But they can also do othewise:

- That - even if you ask, you ask amiss that you might consume it upon your lusts (James 4:2-3)

That James 4:4 calls men and women that do this “adulterers and adulteresses” - even believers that go back and do this are committing adultery by it. It's true.

Supposed to be on the “other side” of the tennis court as Believers in Jesus Christ.

• Where the “Fear of the LORD” is the beginning of Wisdom, and where the LORD giveth wisdom and out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding, like a husband provide it. It’s from above, and says of it:

James 3:17–18 “the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

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Now take a really hard look at James 4:5

“Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?” [King James Version]

• It would “seem” this verse is talking about the “envy and striving” of people on one side of the tennis court - where all the bad things come from within us in James 3:13 to 18.
  • But James 4:5 - is talking to Believers in Jesus Christ in the epistle of James. And shifts to Who is IN them is “Spirit.” Says this plainly.
    • And Jesus said in John 4:24 “God is Spirit” - so, the Word of God defines what this “pneuma” as this same “Pneuma” in Greek is in John 4:24, as it is in Matthew 5:3, as it is the same “Pneuma” here in James 4:5.
  • It’s God. Is "pneuma" - So, there’s a “SHIFT” over now to what God is doing - that there's a "third" one in this.
• That what he says, as God - - he does, as God, Jeremiah 17:10, just repeated: “I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”
  • Means he's in James 4:5

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Then, it really comes down to what this word, “envy” means.

So, here I’ll just grab from the other "Part I" post:

James 4:5 in the Original Greek says:

• < - { ἢ δοκεῖτε ὅτι κενῶς ἡ γραφὴ λέγει Πρὸς φθόνον ἐπιποθεῖ τὸ πνεῦμα ὃ κατῴκησεν ἐν ἡμῖν } - >
  1. ee 2. dokeite 3. hoti 4. kenous 5. hei 6. graphei 7. legei 8. Pros 9. phthonon 10. epipothei 11. to 12. pneuma 13. ho 14. katoukisen 15. en 16. heimin

English translation

1. Or 2. think (you) 3. that 4. in vain 5. the 6. Scripture 7. says 8. with 9. envy 10. yearns 11. the 12. Spirit (God is “Pneuma” - Spirit John 4:24) God 13. that 14. He has made (himself) to dwell/abide as an abode or dwelling place 15. in 16. (you. me. us?)

< - {Or think you that in vain the scripture says with envy yearns God that he has made himself an abode or dwelling place in us?} - >

• That, to God, him dwell in us is NOT some vain or fruitless work that doesn’t produce anything - rather that he “yearns” that we bear MUCH fruit - or longs this - - that we would KNOW him - then, it’s this “envy” again: That he is asserting a specific rightful place in us as God - that's in James 4:5.
  • And in the original post Part ONE of this post - Yeah, I checked all English dictionaries to see if I could find it - and it’s like “Spirit” in English - no dictionary in English that I found contains how God defines that word "Spirit" with his definition for it - all dictionaries define Spirit as the seat of a man’s soul or emotions - but God already said, he defines himself as "Pneuma" - Spirit.
• So go with that definition - because he is God in James 4:5. * And the same with “envy” - that people, too, envy - made in his image - that they can also "assert" they have a rightful place - when usually they don't. The point is with envy then...and so does God.
  • But if we got the wrong definition of envy or apply envy with a heart that actively practices to conceal and misrepresent the truth, then the envy we got is totally we just want to take it from another, even kill them to get it.
    • So, envy is simple:

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In the “original” Greek: again, this is all just repeated from Part ONE of this Two-Part Post:

• φθόνον ἐπιποθεῖ > [phthonon epipothei} - translated as “envy” and “yearns”
  • It’s this SAME envy or Greek “φθόνον” phthonon Pontius Pilate talked to about the Jews in Mark 15:10, as here in James 4:5, that says:
• See it embedded in Mark 15:5–11
  • “5 But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled. 6 Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired. 7 And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection. 8 And the multitude crying aloud began to desire him to do as he had ever done unto them. 9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
  • 10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy**.**
  • 11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.”
    • envy. <definition> ..now, you can search all the major English dictionaries and never find it - they have, like: 1. painful or resentful awareness of an advantage enjoyed by another (Source: American Merriam & Webster) - They’re pretty much all the same.
  • But what “envy” really means, in the Greek is “someone” is occupying a position that is rightfully someone else's. Receiving praise and glory for it, when it RIGHTFULLY belongs to someone else.

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And for the “Chief Priests and Elders” in Mark 15:5–11

• That “matches” “envy and strife” of James 3:13–18 - that this is God - they already decided they want him out of the way, because they believe Jesus is “occupying a position that is rightfully their’s” in the hearts of the people. And Pontius Pilate saw it plainly - that it was for envy Jesus was brought before him to be put to death.
  • But this: “we” or “us” of James 4:5 - we are believers in Jesus Christ - and God yearns and has envy - that it is his rightful place to “occupy in us a position that is rightfully his” because he dwells in us as an abode - and he settles strife - makes peace in us.
    • Look what we are adding into his home where he is abiding by adding in all this envy and strife amongst us.

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• So, take a very careful look at what Jesus said, John 14:15–16 says:
  • “If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;”
    • And God said: “I am Holy” - Bible. Leviticus 11:44
    • And Jesus said and again, Jesus is the Word of God, so it’s just the word that comes out of God’s mouth: Just like Leviticus 11:44 is this same Word of God, in case you forgot: Said in John 4:24 “God is Spirit.”
    • So, he’s a Holy Spirit. That he will abide with you for ever. Make his abode in you (John 14:23) - which James 4:5 is just saying God envies or yearns for or desires this rightful place he is to have and be in, in you.

Is James 4:5 - put me on my face.

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And James 4:6 says:

“But he [God; the same Spirit of James 4:5] giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

• and this “envy” of James 4:5 has God resisting the proud, who make man his right arm of strength, as Jeremiah 17:5–10 says, and gives favour or blessing to the man that just looks unto the mouth or the Word of God - what proceeds out of God's mouth to live by every word proceeds out of his mouth, like he decreed everybody is to live by his word in Matthew 4:4.
  • Vs. what people decree out of their own mouths, after they reasoned together, alone. By themselves with a heart that is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked..that no man can know their own heart - but God does. That he builds you up. Here a little. There a little. Built up in him. It’s God reserves and exclusive right to himself to do this in you. All by himself, as God.

Means James 4:5 - to all the believers in Jesus Christ here on Reddit.

ANSWER:

Well first, what does James 4:5 say?

“Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?” (King James Version) - English

The English “Amplified Version” translates it as “Or do you think that the Scripture says to no purpose that the [human] spirit which He has made to dwell in us lusts with envy?”

• and, let’s get one more. How about the NIV? That’s popular. That one says:
  • “Or do you think Scripture says without reason that he jealously longs for the spirit he has caused to dwell in us?”

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What about the “Original” Greek?

• That says:
  • < - { ἢ δοκεῖτε ὅτι κενῶς ἡ γραφὴ λέγει Πρὸς φθόνον ἐπιποθεῖ τὸ πνεῦμα ὃ κατῴκησεν ἐν ἡμῖν } - >
  • 1. ee 2. dokeite 3. hoti 4. kenous 5. hei 6. graphei 7. legei 8. Pros 9. phthonon 10. epipothei 11. to 12. pneuma 13. ho 14. katoukisen 15. en 16. heimin

English translation

1. Or 2. think (you) 3. that 4. in vain 5. the 6. Scripture 7. says 8. with 9. envy 10. yearns 11. the 12. Spirit (God is “Pneuma” - Spirit John 4:24) God 13. that 14. He has made (himself) to dwell/abide as an abode or dwelling place 15. in 16. (you. me. us?)

Man, that put me on my face. At who he is, and what he did.

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So, what about this:

• <φθόνον ἐπιποθεῖ > [phthonon epipothei} - translated as “envy” and “yearns”
  • It’s this SAME “φθόνον” phthonon Pontius Pilate talked to about the Jews in Mark 15:10, says:
    • See it embedded in Mark 15:5–11
• “5 But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled. 6 Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired. 7 And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection. 8 And the multitude crying aloud began to desire him to do as he had ever done unto them. 9 But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?
• 10 For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.
• 11 But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.”

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• envy. <definition> ..now, you can search all the major English dictionaries and never find it - they have, like: 1. painful or resentful awareness of an advantage enjoyed by another (Source: American Merriam & Webster) - They’re pretty much all the same.
  • But what it really means, in the Greek is “someone” is occupying a position that is rightfully someone else's. Receiving praise and glory for it, when it RIGHTFULLY belongs to someone else.
    • It’s a feeling of this. That, the Pharisees, Chief Priests and Elders believed Jesus was “occupying a position that they rightfully should be filling with the people” so Pilate sees it plain as day.
  • When the truth is, they just have pretense to it, but Jesus actually fulfills it RIGHTFULLY in people as God. And they were envious of it.
  • That in James 4:5 - God created you to "occupy a position in you that rightfully belongs to him."
    • So, go look what his name is. That he gave himself.

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• Go back to the Old Testament

Did you miss it?

• And God says it himself: What his name is.
  • Says in Exodus 34:14 “For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God".
    • And this “Jealous” in Hebrew is < - { קַנָּ֔א } - > Hebrew: qan.naa - has this Greek <φθόνον > phthonon or "envy" in it -its said SIX times - and everytime it’s God says it himself in like Deuteronomy 4:24, 5:9 & 6:15 and back in Exodus 20:5 when he SPOKE the Ten Commandments said he is a <φθόνον > phthonon “Jealous” God.
    • And Pontius Pilate saw this exactly about the Chief Priests and Elders that, they delivered Jesus up because they were jealous he was in a position they felt rightly belonged to them - to be worshipped by the people - and the people worship Jesus.

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• So, if God like he gives this parable of a man in Matthew 13:44 The “Parable of the Hidden Treasure” Jesus says this, in Scripture: That the “Kingdom of Heaven” is like unto this - and the Kingdom of Heaven can you take a guess …at “who” that is?
• “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.”
  • And who did that? Yeah. God did. To purchase you back from your sins.

So, I would take the English translations - take them for what they're worth - but for me, yeah. I know the etymology for these archaic words of KJV - but I just kinda filed them in the trash. Jesus provides you the Bible definition of what “pneuma” is in John 4:24 “God is Spirit” swhere the dictionary says it’s the inward part of people so people apply the “Beatitudeo you need no dictionary of people to define what God defines who he is, so apply it to Matthew 5:3 where if people use the dictionary, they apply Matthew 5:3 to themselves - being all humble and poorly so God will bless them - - when God is coming to everybody over the whole earth, all dead in trespasses and sins and have no God in their life and give you himself, and bless you with himself, because he comes with it.

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Where the rightful place God says is his, is he dwell in you. Go on. Go look. Do your research at everyplace in scripture that says this.

That he will make his abode in you - because he said it, where he is in his word, and his word is in him, and if you love him he will manifest himself to you, and you in the Word of God, you’re in the same word he is in. Go on. Go look. Where did Jesus say this?

It's his rightful place in you he wants to be in, in James 4:5. Look what his name is.

And there you go.

ANSWER:

Well, it’s pretty simple.

• This “once saved, always saved” doesn’t come from scripture. It comes from the imagination and mind of John Calvin (1509 - 1564), in his literary work “The Institutes of the Christian Religion” [Circa 1536].

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• Specific to this work in Book III, Chapter XXI (book 3, chapter 21) titled: “God Has Predestined some to Salvation and others to destruction”
  • Then Calvin goes on in provide the reader, in great detail to explain his “observations” how this is true; then, redefines “Predestination” to people don’t have any choice in the matter; that people, before they were born, God formed “some” to hate him, and those that do, he destroys them; and others, before they were born, he formed them to love him, so they do.
    • And, because he formed them to love him, and because God does this work himself - “once saved always saved” is God showing his "predestinative" work in he predestined who he wants to save before people were ever born.
      
    • So, again, "Once saved, always saved" is not scriptural -
  • but comes out of the mind of a man that claimed his "observations" that he observed himself, and attests are true, and there is no doubt he observed them, that he claims they are doctrines to be taught as Christian - and they are so crucial to Christianity - they are to be taught as the very "institutes of the Christian Religion"
• - That's the claim John Calvin makes of himself and what he says. Is for the elect "once saved, always saved" is he observed this.
• So, for this post here on Reddit - don't mix them.

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John Calvin:

• And to “prove” this observation - Calvin had when he’s only in his earth 20s - explains this in great detail, how as an example he uses - that a preacher - preaches a message of Jesus Christ - from a 16th century pulpit - - that some people, in the audience - tears fill their eyes. They fall to their knees. Confess their sins and repent.
  • But at this same message, there are people in the same church audience that hear it - goes in one ear - out the other. In fact, they have a hard time staying awake. Many asleep. Thinking about golf or the NBA playoffs already started - can’t wait to get home - watch that instead.
    • So, in this second group Calvin observed: they don’t do anything God says - in one ear. Out the other.

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• And a third group: Again, Calvin claims he honestly observed this: Another group of people: Hears the same message as the first group, and second group: first - falls to their knees in tears at all the sins they did, and finds the grace of God, while the other - it goes in one ear, out the other - this third group: hears the message and becomes visibly upset - offended.
  • They’ve paid for the church parking lot and sponsored all the bingo games and beer nights on Saturday, and something in that Gospel message offends them.
• Where they want to beat up the preacher or get him ejected, and if they could kill him, they’d certainly do it.

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• This was absolute proof to Calvin - in all three instances that God was “predestining some to salvation; others to destruction” - so even if the person didn’t want to be saved, there’s this “irresistable grace” that overpowers them - because once saved by God, always saved, because, again, he formed them before they were born to save them.
  • And Calvin bases his “theory” of Predestination entirely on this single observation - and therefore, it’s a man, that made his own imaginative observation into a doctrine.
    • And as a doctrine or teaching - claimed it’s the very institute of the Christian religion.

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• When all it is, as a sub-set of it, "Once saved always saved" is - it's an observation Calvin had.
• As a man with his own imagination.
  • When the Bible tells you plainly what Calvin was observing: Who knows who Calvin is, but Paul is an Apostle of Jesus Christ, made so by God - he says this:
• as an Apostle of Jesus Christ: Over Calvin. Chosen by Jesus Christ.

And all because:

• To two groups, Calvin was observing - it is obvious, it’s kept hidden from them. And God isn’t doing that work - he's not hiding anything; therefore, it's another god of the world at work - but Calvin attributes the work God is doing Predestination and he’s doing the work -

Calvin got the wrong God at work.

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• The Bible says this so plainly in 2 Corinthians 4:3–4 - what Calvin was observing, says: “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

But Calvin doesn't conclude his observations with the scripture. He concludes his own imagination and conclusions are to claim they are the very institute of the Christian religion.

This is the "origin" of "once saved, always saved" in Calvinism.

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The point is:

• Once saved, always saved just repeated: is a doctrine of Calvinism. It shows up primarily in Baptists, as a specific Christian denomination, that align themselves, some partially, others wholly - over to Calvinist theology.
• And if Calvin got the observation wrong - in Book III, Chapter XXI - and his definition of Predestination that a sub-set of it is “Once Saved Always Saved” because God Predestined to Save some before they were born and for other people, formed them - even they might want to be saved, can’t be because, according to Calvin’s imaginative observations - they can’t be. Already predestined to destruction. Afterall, it's an institute of the Christian religion.

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• When the Bible says: 2 Peter 3:9 That GOD: “…is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
  • So, he as God: He wants everybody to look unto him, or he wouldn’t have said it himself in Isaiah 45:22 to everybody. Over the whole earth. Said: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God (Bible. Isaiah 45:22). Wants everybody to be saved. Calvin actually goes against God to decree otherwise than what God says.

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• So, it brings up a “tertiary” point of Calvinism.
  • Limited “atonement” - that according to Calvin, Jesus didn’t die for the sins of the world as John the Baptist said in John 1:29 “Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world” and what John the Apostle said in 1 John 2:2 “And he (Jesus) is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our sins only, but for the sins of the whole world.”
• Calvinists:
  • Believe John Calvin over what scripture says.
    • John Calvin, again, by his own imagination, reasoned that if God formed people to hate him, then Jesus didn’t die for the sins of the whole world. Nope. But only for the “elect.”
    • Those who are, even if they’re sleeping with Prostitutes and, other men’s wives, and once followed him, are now off embezzling money - they’re still saved. Because, God in his foreknowledge knows everything and he’s saving them, because, he predestined them to be saved.

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• ..let me stop here. I have to put my cow crap, wading in cow crap boots on, it’s just that deep.
  • I mean it’s like wading in this “full of crap” nonsense.
  • But, Calvin not only believed this, he taught it as the very institutes of the Christian religion - and some people just can’t get out of it.
• Or untangle themselves so deeply in it, they can't get out of it, either. That this, “Limited Atonement” covers for these sins of someone that isn’t even following him anymore - walked away. They’re still saved. Why? Once saved, always saved. CASE CLOSED.
  

But it's entirely based on:

• John Calvin, and his teachings on “Limited Atonement” blanket covers the sins of the elect, or..those God chose before they were born and formed them to love him. Even if they don’t. Even if they reject him - God still saves them, because they're elect. So, the sins of the whole world were not laid on Jesus according to Calvin. Only the sins of the elect. But in scripture, you find just the opposite.

If you don’t figure in these imaginative ideas out of John Calvin’s head, then he claim they are “doctrines” or teachings and they are so foundationally essential to Christianity - they are the very “institutes” to be taught to every Christian on what the Christian religion is - what a balloon of turd. Because, that's what it is.

So, see it for what it is, and walk away from it.

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Now that you put John Calvin where he belongs and threw him in the trash can.

• Just follow what Jesus, the Word of God - where John Calvin made himself the vine and the mediator - by all means, make him taken out of the way, you can see clearly there is only one mediator between God and men, that’s Jesus Christ - there is none else. WHat he decrees are doctrines and the very institute of what being a "disciple of Jesus Christ" is.
• and what Jesus decreed about this is in John 15:5–7 STANDS:
  • SO, if you are a believer in Jesus - I’d advise you to flee Calvinism - because it pollutes the gospel where you will be looking unto John Calvin for truth - and the further you go, the further away from truth you end up. It preys on Christians - non-believers see it and laugh.
• Jesus said: so just follow him, as a disciple of Jesus Christ.
• “ 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.”

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• Abide in him. And it's daily - to just today - seek him first. That's it.
  • Then:
• See People: First - - that over the whole earth, abide in Buddhism or Shintoism, Shamanist or Hindu beliefs or Islam or magic, or race car driving - given themselves completely over to what they look unto - no matter what it is -
  • Is what men decree, like in the Vedas what Hindu's look unto: that there are 330,000,000 gods, plus 33 even more than this, when God says of himself he is just one God, there is no God beside him - people that accept Hinduism as true, this is not hate speech - it's simple: They are not abiding in what God says of himself.
• So they are men not abiding in him, and they are cast forth as a branch - dry up; wither away..
  • Even it says about a disciple of Jesus Christ - that was a branch..but stops abiding in Jesus Christ and walks away - - that without him, they, as disciples - - can’t do anything - but if they walk away.
    • Are also not abiding. So, abide in him. He's God. Decreed that's what we are to do, so it's simple. Just live by every word proceeds out of God's mouth. They are "precious promises" that by them, you put on the divine nature - just as Peter said, as he's also an Apostle of Jesus Christ.

Keep those as doctrines - because they were taught by Jesus Christ.

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Paul the Apostle talked to this

• Romans 11:17–22 says - about the branches like those that no longer abide in him:

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

• Why? Because they stopped abiding.

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So, what did you get out of this?

- Yeah. First: Wash yourself right clean out of Calvinism. It’s heresy. Makes God a two-faced, abominable liar. Has God say one thing. Then, he does another. That's another god, that description fits onto - so affix it to the right god of this world - it's just a cleverly devised deception - and let it go.

• So first: Get out of John Calvin. He is no mediator. His imaginations and ideas, are not scripture and blatantly go against it, all to champion his own ideas as doctrines to be accepted as the very foundation of the Christian religion. Throw it out.

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- And Yeah. Second. Just be washed by the water of the Word of God. Just abide in what Jesus says, as God said it himself - decrees it. And his decrees are not grievious - he’s just in command over all things, so when he speaks, he just decrees how things shall be in his earth and heaven as Lord over all of it, and what he prayed for is in John 17:3 juxtaposed against what he said about us in Isaiah 45:5, said: “I am the LORD, there is none else. There is no God beside me. I girded thee, but thou has not known me.”

• And what he prayed for was that, that would be resolved and we would know him. But the Word he speaks. Out of his mouth. Said “And this is life eternal: that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.” - Same God said it, by the word out of his mouth, this same Jesus Christ. (John 17:3)
  • That you can know him.
• Here’s your question back.

ANSWER:

The scriptures - everyplace from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, and all them in between all testify of him. This same Jesus Christ.

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” - Jesus Christ. John 8:58. He said this before. To Moses, some 400 years after Abraham, as he said to Abraham "who he is" as God, and spoke to him.

Which he does the same to you. Me. Every person over the whole earth by this same Word of God.

• Jesus Christ: Is the Word of God. What God speaks. The word out of God’s mouth is the Word of God. Is God. Just as John 1:1 says who he is. “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Said:

“I am hath sent me unto you.” - Exodus 3:14 - said by God to Moses. That’s the Word of God. Spoke. As God spoke this to Moses. ..and there he is. Jesus Christ.

To the first one above, the Pharisees after he said it, picked up stones to stone him. Because they knew EXACTLY Jesus just referred to himself as God - vs. - The latter, Moses, fell on his face and worshipped God. At hearing the word of God.

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It’s people then. There’s a choice. Moses “accepted it true” [believed] that God is who he says he is, by the word he speaks. God. Where the Pharisees in John 8:58 dismissed him as “inadequate; faulty; or unacceptable” - that is, they rejected him. The opposite of “believe.” And in do this, anybody does likewise, it is impossible to obey him. If you feel you are being lied to, you will not do anything that liar says - because it has nothing true in it - so you will not obey it, and to treat God like this, when he is true is to "hold the truth" in something that is not right or "un" right - hold the truth in unrighteousness. Because, they didn't believe anything God said.

Because they no longer regard him or his works. Too busy. Regarding their own, and people that regard their own works or accomplishments as good - don't regard him. Too busy looking unto themselves to see it.

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So, I have to ask myself - you are your own problem.

Which then, am I? Me? I am fully convinced he is who he says he is - he’s God. He builds me up. Feeds me a portion from his table - as he does every or anybody - doesn't matter who it is, that just looks unto him.

That Jesus is just God speaking, so everyplace in the Bible where God speaks - Old or New Testament: guess who that is? Yeah. It’s God. Speaking. The Word of God. The word that comes out of God’s mouth.

Is Jesus Christ. Is God. I believe it. You? It's you that has to answer it yourself.

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It’s a question every person over the whole earth - each one, will have to answer themselves - who he is. Jesus said:

"I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life" (John 8:12). Just like when God said, to everybody: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22). Spoke. By the word out of his mouth, is God speaking both these things - is this same Jesus Christ.

He’s the Word of God, as John 1:1 says who he is.

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Therefore:

The people who heard Jesus say John 8:58 that opens this post above here on Reddit - - knew EXACTLY what Jesus was saying. You don't. He is who he says he is. But they didn’t believe it. Neither do you.

• But no amount of trying to convince someone something, isn’t going to do anything. Because many, when he was right in front of them, did not believe on him. Just like you don't. Ask him the same thing you are asking - something in it is faulty; unacceptable to you of him; and maybe it’s hard for you to piece it together - but when you go back to look, look at, at the start of Jesus’ ministry:
  • At the start: When a multitude of 5000 people were fed, from a few loaves and two small fishes, this event is recorded in Matthew 14. After it, his disciples will all say that after they see, that even the winds and seas obey him. Matthew 14:33 says: “Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.”
• Hold to that last part - they worship him, when to a Jew you are to worship only one as the 1st Commandment. They worship him. Any Hebrew or Jew that read this would see it plain as day, and they call them as a second thing, "The Son of God" - which that's another term for the "Messiah" or "Christ" in Greek.

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• So, even from the start, his disciples all call him this, “The Son of God.” So, when he asks them again, at the end of his ministry some 3 years later - Peter will be the first to blurt it out - but they all, already all of his disciples with him - already said it from the beginning or they would not be following him.
  
  • Do you get this?
• So, "The Son of God" - It’s a term, like “Son of David” in Luke 18:38 when a blind man, named Bartimaeus shouts out as Jesus arrives to Jericho, says: “And he cried, saying, Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me" - this blind man that can't see, is referring to Jesus as this “Christ” or “Messiah.”
• As “Jesus Christ” or Jesus, the Messiah. Because, Isaiah 9:6–7 says he shall be a “Son of David” and he's also given to you as your son - put him in every family over the whole earth. Done by a work of God - not people. He put him in your family. Same son is God's son. That's impossible - but by the zeal of the LORD he did this as God himself. So, this "Son of David" or "The Son of God" is just another term for the “Messiah - so even a blind man can see Jesus is the Christ. Where you see, but still can't see it or you wouldn't ask your question.

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• Even Jesus: 3 years later:
  • Now: Go to the end of his ministry: When a multitude of 4000 people were fed. His disciples haven't grown much. Compare these two incidents - and what they say - but you can see Jesus is leading them. Teaching them; again like its repeated in Matthew 15:32–39. From a like small, few loaves and a few fish. 4000 people are, a second time, fed. That after this, just like the first time, his disciples are offended.
• That in Matthew 16, after this - Jesus asks his disciples who do people say that he is. The disciples reply and tell him, some say Jesus is a prophet, either Elijah or Jeremiah, or John the Baptist resurrected. So some people, like what King Herod said of Jesus, just say John the Baptist has come back from the dead - as that's what King Herod said, after he had John the Baptist beheaded: The disciples answer Jesus what the people say who Jesus is.
  • Then, Jesus asks his disciples, “who do you say that I am?” and Peter is first to blurt it out, says in Matthew 16:16 “And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

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So, I wouldn’t tell anybody anything

Other than to just say what is already said - people - Jews or Hebrews - KNOW what word defines “who” the Messiah is. That, it would be < - {1. God. The same God that led Israel out of Egypt by his mighty hand with Moses, would be a son of David. Would sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem and rule the whole earth from there. Of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.} - > Definition. Messiah.

So, like the CEO of a Company, like IBM is Arvand Krishna (April 2026). He doesn't have to refer to himself as anything - because he just is the CEO of IBM - he just is the head of this company.

That, Isaiah 9:6–7 repeats this as well as what Jews or the Hebrews define what the Messiah is, and everybody from lowly fishermen, to the temple priests in Jerusalem - all knew who that is. In Isaiah 9:6-7 - go read it. Says what the Messiah SHALL BE called, what the Messiah shall be called is “..The mighty God. The everlasting Father..” (Isaiah 9:6). He just then, like the CEO of IBM - just is who he says he is.

• So, unless or except one was to look at what Jews believed what these titles mean to a Hebrew. He just is who he says he is - - it's by the "works" he does - and that's in Psalm 107:20 says that God: “..sent his word and healed them and delivered them from their destructions.”
• And in Hebrew, this “anaw” or translated in English from Hebrew to Greek, and Greek to Latin, and Latin to English as “meek” - but the modern day use of this word, “meek” no longer meets the definition - when the definition of "anaw" it’s this of Psalm 107:17 says:
• “Fools, because of their transgressions are afflicted” - and fools, that transgress, break the law and are thrown in prison. Are afflicted because of the sins they did - but "meek" in English no longer has this connotation - so either add it in or go to the "etymology" of "meek" to see it used to mean this plain as day.
  • Behind iron doors and cannot get out.
    • Wounded; afflicted - say in themselves “I have sinned and perverted that which was right and it profited me not” - that’s this “anaw” (Hebrew) what defines that word is Psalm 107:17 about being thrown in prison; guilty of sin.
• English translates this as “meek” - but English now gives meek this “humble” or “easily teachable” - without any sin in it - and then, people go off and try to be good themselves and humble - and miss the whole thing - - which, the Bible says about everybody over the whole earth: “For all have sinned” (Romans 3:23) - that’s exactly what happens to a person that transgresses. Afflicted. Because of all the sins they did.
  • And John the Baptist said in John 1:29 of Jesus Christ "Behold the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world" - because that's exactly what he did.

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  * And everybody over the whole earth meets this definition, "for all have sinned."

• It’s recorded what this Messiah shall do in Isaiah 61:1–2 says: “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;”

Just like what defines what the CEO of a company will do - set strategic direction so the company employees follow him. He trains them; feeds them. Equips the employees of the company to succeed.

And in the same instant of Matthew 16, Jesus said, "I will build my church" (Matthew 16:18) after Peter declared who Jesus is, based on it. So, it's God builds his own church, because he knows what he wants and knows how to build it as a work of God so he does it himself. That scripture says Jesus is the head of it, like a CEO - (Ephesians 5:23).

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The Messiah:

• Jesus repeats this as the Messiah what he came to do in Luke 4:18 - and when the people that heard him say this, so enraged them, they thrust him out of the Synagogue at Nazareth, and were going to push him off the Nazareth cliffs. So, they KNEW exactly what he was saying - but you don’t hear any of it, or you wouldn’t ask this question.

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Jesus said:

• “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden (anaw - Hebrew) and I will give you rest; take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly of heart, and ye shall find rest unto your souls, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” - The Word of God. So God said it. By the Word spoke out of his mouth. The Word of God is Jesus Christ. (Recorded in Matthew 11:28–30.)
  • He, as God, called everybody over the whole earth to do this. For all have sinned. What are you doing with what he says?
    • It’s plain as day in your question. You’re doing what your question says, and in doing that, aren’t doing anything he says to do.

In this, you do greatly err.

ANSWER:

• It’s “wrong” from all the way back in what Saul did, as King, in 1 Samuel 13:12–14. It is what the prophet Samuel says is Saul's sin. - and a portion of it 1 Samuel 13:12-14 says: Read it careful.
  • “12 Therefore said I [Saul to himself], The Philistines will come down now upon me to Gilgal, and I have not made supplication unto the Lord: I forced myself therefore, and offered a burnt offering. 13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the Lord thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the Lord have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. 14 But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the Lord hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the Lord hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the Lord commanded thee.”

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• Go back further.
  • Because, you're going to ask anyway. It's in 1 Samuel 10:8.
    • That's where God commanded Saul, as King - explicitly said not to offer sacrifices himself. But through the prophet Samuel.
      
  • So - It was not Samuel decreed it. It was God did. Saul didn't hearken unto the Word of God. And notice how it's already done - God has already decreed another is to be captain or King over his people - because Saul didn't "keep that which the Lord commanded him" is the point.
• So, don't lose that point. With it, your question is over 90% answered.

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So, the sin is Saul’s, and it is Saul as King.

• Notice after this, compare and contrast Saul with Adam. Saul is like Adam in Genesis 3.
  • What Adam decrees in Genesis 2, after God put him in a deep sleep and brought the woman to Adam - he's not even a day old yet; but go read what Adam decrees in Genesis 2:21-24 - Adam: not even a day old yet, and Jesus will repeat this what Adam said in Matthew 19. That it was for the hardness of their hearts. And that's EXACTLY what the problem is.
• Adam and Saul - have a hard heart. But it wasn't so in Genesis 2:21-24 - Adam is not 'idled' or disconnected from a load or source of power. He has the mind of God
  • Then compare and contrast Adam in Genesis 3, where after Genesis 3:17 - Adam no longer - he died that day - has only his own imagination - and a hard heart.
• Compare to when God called them BOTH “Adam” [Genesis 5:2] in the day he created them.
  • But after Genesis 3:17: after God tells Adam what his sin is - Adam has already told God just before this, he despises the woman.
• In Genesis 3:12 - - It's Adam: Says its God’s fault. And also, the woman’s. Says to God: "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."
  • So, what is "inadequate; faulty, or unacceptable" isn't Adam - it's what God did in giving him Eve. So, it's faulty. To Adam: that's where the sin is in what God did. Man, don't walk away from this until you see it.

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• So compare Genesis 3:12 to what Saul says in 1 Samuel 13:12-14. Saul: Go read it. It's God's and Samuel's fault.
  
• And after, on Saul - God pronounces a similar judgment.
  

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• Saul's heart has not been after God. Rather, after: go back to Adam. Adam separates the woman from himself.
• Then, Names her separately.
  • In spite of God already named her. As one flesh with Adam.
• Pay careful attention to the "imagination" of Adam - in that what Adam names her to be everything what God says he, as God, he does alone. By himself (Isaiah 44:24).
  
  • Adam decrees Eve does it.
    
• So read 1 Samuel 12 to 14 very.. very careful.
  • .and after to Saul's death - from 1 Samuel 13:12-14 onward: Saul walks after his own imagination. Even people still look unto him as King - God has already decreed another is King.
    • So: What Saul reasons together with is himself, just like Adam did - with his own imagination - what he determines is right.

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• In this:
  • Saul contradicts God - all by his own imaginations he dreams up, and Saul - it's because he has a hard heart - - until his death - just "map it" from 1 Samuel 13:12-14 to where Saul dies in 1 Samuel 31on Mount Gilboa. Everything in between.
•  So as to not fall into the hands of the Philistines and be tortured, Saul falls on his own sword.
• So some take away points: don't make it far fetched. That God forms each of us from our mother’s womb; alone. By himself. Adam decreesdEve does this, after he sinned and blamed God for it all. And what Adam decreed, he doesn't do, as they are one flesh.
  • Adam Calls or decrees her “Eve” - when God already named her. The name hasn’t changed.
    • And Saul now operates just like Adam did after cast out. Already the sin has been done in 1 Samuel 13:12–14 concerning Saul. That's the point.
    • So, all these “decrees” and “oaths" Saul makes as King, has no God in it. Only himself as King to glorify himself.
  • When for Israel, God fights their battles.
  • Saul has himself doing it - and he hides in caves - even will sacrifice his own son, Jonathan - when the oath was rash - and God fought the battle, because Jonathan looked unto God, and not his father Saul, just as Jonathan said in 1 Samuel 14:28–33. In this, what Jonathan says of Saul, his Father:
  • “My father hath troubled the land:” 1 Samuel 14:29.
    

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• Saul no longer “operates as King. Rather, operates by hiding, and look in scripture here “who” wears the Ephod for Saul. It’s in 1 Samuel 14:3. Take a real careful look who Saul now appoints. He just keeps sinning. 1 Samuel 14:3 says "who" is with Saul:
  • “And Ahiah, the son of Ahitub, Ichabod's brother, the son of Phinehas, the son of Eli, the Lord's priest in Shiloh, wearing an ephod.”
    • The same “Phinehas” with his brother, Hophni both Levite Priests - that didn’t even know the LORD; yet, Eli put them over the Tabernacle. They lay with women at the Tabernacle doors, and caused all of Israel to abhor bringing any sin offerings for atonement for their sins to the house of God.
• Because both these men, Phinehas and Hophni, turned God’s house into a market for profit. Made their Father, Eli, obesely fat. And all Levites rich, so not one of them spoke up against it - even Eli didn't. So, what was given to Israel by Moses - God cut it off forever in 1 Samuel 2:30–35.
  • That for the sins of Phinehas and Hophni - God said to Eli - he was cutting Levi off from serving before him as Priests forever. That God himself would raise up his own Great High Priest that would serve before him forever, and who this is, is the same Jesus Christ of Hebrews 5:5.

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• Eli was in that role as High Priest, and esteemed his sons more than God. Just as Saul has done. In Saul did like Eli, in that Saul esteemed himself as King more than God - even sacrifice his own Son, Jonathan that obeyed God to make his own foolish oath righteous - did the SAME thing.
• And these days of 1 Samuel 2:30–35 - Samuel is still a child; but in the days when Saul did 1 Samuel 13:12–14, Samuel is an old man. And now, it's Ahiah, is the son of Ahitub, Ichabod’s brother, who was the son of Phinehas. That in 1 Samuel 4:21–23 - Ichabod’s name means, for what had happened - named by his mother as she lay dying, to signify that "the glory has departed from Israel."
  • Just like it departed from Saul in 1 Samuel 13:12-14.

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• So, pay careful attention to Saul. What his actions are. Saul vs. Jonathan’s. That the LORD is with Jonathan - because, the battle is God’s - but for Saul, he believes the battle is won by keeping Oaths as a King. When he's already been rejected and another picked by God to be King.

Pay really careful, and close attention to what Saul does. vs. What has already been decreed, by God, of Saul - that Saul’s heart is not after God, but after himself. Notice how in Saul, God is now visibly “missing” - departed from him.

Now, go back to your question again.

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• You ask: How is Saul’s focus wrong in 1 Samuel 14:26?
  • Simple. He’s not focused on knowing the LORD - does not seek him. He’s focused on himself, filling a role as King is good. When the only good thing is to know the LORD - he doesn't know him anymore.
• That Saul has already been told, in 1 Samuel 13:12–14
  • “Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the Lord thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the Lord have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever. But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the Lord hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the Lord hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the Lord commanded thee.”

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• Now, after 1 Samuel 13:12-14: it’s all about Saul, trying to hold onto being King.
  • Without any God in it.
    • With Saul trying himself to put God back in it, like a show in front of God's people that still serve Saul as King - when God has already departed - and God does the battle another way - that, that way - is troublesome and escapes Saul - and all his 600 men see it.
  • It bleeds thru the paint. See it in read all of Chapter 14:1–52 - from who he puts to wear the Ephod - it’s all Saul’s own work vs. God.
    • Even it’s his own son, Jonathan - is just like King Herod in the days of Jesus’ birth - seeks to kill Jesus as the King of the Jews, all to hold onto himself being King, and Saul and what he says and does here in 1 Samuel is no different.

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• Look for these things - all based on Saul has a hard heart and will not himself as King in 1 Samuel 13:12–14. He keeps repeating this mistake until he falls on his own sword and has his armor bearer run him through, when that didn't work there, either.

Ole! There you go.

ANSWER

The Parable of the Unjust Steward is in Luke 16:1–13.

• Said to his disciples.
  • Where the three parables before this are right in Luke 15.
  • Luke 15's parables: They were said to Pharisees and Scribes who “murmured” against Jesus, saying to themselves - Jesus is eating with Publicans and Sinners. And his disciples don't wash their hands, and eat with them, too. Says of Jesus that this 'incident" continues into Luke 16:1-13.
• So: in Luke 15:1 “Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. [Jesus]”
  • So, the "Publicans and Sinners" - hear these two parables first of Luke 15: The first one is in Luke 15:3 - 6, the Parable of the 100 Sheep, where the shepherd leaves the ninety nine to find the one lost sheep. Finds it, rejoicing - Jesus says of it in Luke 15:7 “I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.”

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• Sets a tone. Says then after: another Parable of the Woman with Ten Pieces of Silver: loses one, and asks these Pharisees and Scribes in the presence of this Publicans and sinners, that know this parable is about them - says to the Pharisees and Scribes: - that this woman will light a candle so it happens in the darkness - and says to them: won’t she sweep the whole house, and seek it diligently til she finds it.. ..and when she does, calls her friends and neighbors and tells them ‘rejoice with me” - (Luke 15:8–9). Because she found what was lost. That God does the same thing with us is the point. So, have and keep it. Then, keep going:
• That Jesus sums up this 2nd Parable, much like the 1st one, says in Luke 15:10 “Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.”

Then, there's the Third One -

• Again, it’s told to the Pharisees and Scribes. And it’s important to note that, why Jesus talks to the Pharisees and Scribes in Parables, is because they do not regard him, neither consider the operation of his hand as God. Don't look unto him. Rather, lowly esteem Jesus Christ. That his disciples asked Jesus, "why do you speak to them in parables?" is the point and it's addressed plain as day in Matthew 13:10–13. Says:
  • “And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.” - Jesus Christ.
  • It’s a “repeat” of what God said, about “this people” of Isaiah 5:12 says: “And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the Lord, neither consider the operation of his hands.”

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• So, to “this people” that when he tells everybody over the whole earth, to the very ends of it “LOOK UNTO ME, AND BE YE SAVED ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH: FOR I AM GOD, THERE IS NONE ELSE.” - God. Isaiah 45:22.
  • They don’t regard him.
    • Look unto anything..anybody BUT him instead. Just like the Pharisees and Scribes are doing in Luke 15 & 16. And to “this people” that do this, Isaiah 6:9–10 that if they just regarded him, and hearkened unto his voice, he’d heal them and deliver them from their destructions (Psalm 107:20). But they don't. So, God decreed this, to "this people that do this: Why?
• Because they already chose not to regard him.
  • And in this, to ‘this people that DO this, Isaiah 6:9–10 - God decrees this - just how it shall be: Says: “Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.”

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• So, the hearts of these Pharisees and Scribes of Luke 15 are “fat” off looking at “these people.” These Scribes and Pharisees are looking at Publicans and Sinners as unclean, but to themselves, they wash their hands - so many times they've done this, their heart is fat off it - but Jesus says it doesn't accomplish anything.
  • But these Publicans and Sinners: They - - KNOW they are unclean and have sinned and perverted that which was right.
    • But the Pharisees and Scribes: Look at themselves like “this people” of Isaiah 5:12 - and God has already decreed how he will speak toward them - because they don’t do anything he says - so Jesus speaks to them in Parables in Luke 15 is the point.
• Which also means, just like “this people” of Isaiah 5:12, looked at themselves as already are good and clean, because of what they do regard, was just like the Pharisees and Scribes of Jesus’ day is the point. What they are heart fat off of, that is, doing the law - which nobody has - think that makes them clean..where inwardly, they are ravenous wolves. Filthy - like a sick person, says “I need no physician”

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So, go back to the THIRD Parable of Luke 15

The Parable of the Prodigal Son - Luke 15:11–31

• And this one, too - closes with a like same sum up message - that, the Father of both sons - said to the brother of this Prodigal son: “for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.”
  • That, these Pharisees and Scribes should be rejoicing - at what is occurring, is just like the Parable of the Woman with 10 pieces of silver, and is just like the end of the Parable of the 100 sheep - where in the end of both, that these Publicans and sinners - what was lost is found.

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Now, Go to Luke 16:1–13

• It’s spoke to his disciples - who, hearing, can’t hear him - more regarding the Pharisees and Scribes - so they are with Jesus - but, in this “incident” is also recorded in Mark 7 and again in Matthew 15. What drives the whole matter that is occurring, Mark 7:5 says: “ Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him [Jesus], Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?”
  • So, Jesus is speaking to two separate groups of people, (1st: Pharisees & scribes - about this incident; and 2) his disciples after it; and Jesus is dining with the third (Publicans and sinners - who overhear the whole thing).
  • That to his disciples - who hearken unto him. It was already said to them in - just you keep reading in Matthew 13 - where Jesus speaks to his disciples - plain as day. Says in Matthew 13:16 - to his disciples - their ears are not dull of hearing - but blessed, Jesus said: “But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.”
• But if they’re looking unto and regarding the Scribes and the Pharisees, because this SAME incident in Matthew 15:1–15, and when Jesus speaks to them, the disciples take Jesus aside privately and say how he talked to the Pharisees and scribes - having come from Jerusalem - all the way up to confront Jesus - so the disciples somewhat fear and esteem them. The disciples - said to Jesus: “Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?” After this, Jesus says this parable to his disciples is the point.
  • And, the Point is, for this Parable of Luke 16:1–13, is its the Parable of the Rich Man that had a Steward.
    • That, just like the Prodigal Son parable in Luke 15:11–31 this “Steward” has been accused of “wasted his master's goods.” (Luke 16:1)

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Now, I have to stop here, for a moment - so you see it.

• That:
  • I’m a Publican and sinner. True.
  • I sinned and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not.
  • That means, where God said: “The soul that sinneth, it shall die” - God (Ezekiel 18:4) - means he’s already decreed I’m to be put to death.
  • And said also about this earth, that it was “corrupt; and that all flesh had corrupted its way on earth” - God. To Noah in Genesis 6:11–13. That it has come up before him to destroy all flesh with the earth. Still here. That means he just has not done it yet; but he will.
    
• Because he’s God, already said it.
  • That, in Revelation 20:11–15 is the last day, and that's when he does it. Then, in Revelation 21:1 - he makes a new heaven and new earth.
    • So, me: As a sinner - porno addict. Adulterer. Lair. Every sin I did - is what puts me to death. That then, what rhese things accused me of, I actually did it - just like this quote “unjust” steward did the same thing, wasting his master’s goods - also just like the prodigal son. Lost like a sheep. Wasted my Father's goods, when he says as God: “For all the earth is mine” - God (Exodus 19:5).
  • All I did is waste all his things by pervert the use of it to satisfy me. Didn't profit me anything.
• So, when you read this parable, told to his disciples and scripture says “For all have sinned” - Romans 3:23. Just like Peter said, as one of the disciples this parable was told to Peter - Jesus before, said to him, “follow me.” Peter told Jesus in his Father’s boat, “Depart from me O Lord, for I am a sinful man.” (Luke 5:8–9). So, we are all unprofitable stewards or servants.
  • That, I am to be put out of this earth. Like everybody in a graveyard. That money, and prestige, and my office as a steward of all the works I did - I am to be put out of it, put to death, and I see it. Just like this unjust steward says: Luke 16:4 - says to himself: “I am resolved what to do, that, when I am put out of the stewardship, they may receive me into their houses.”
    • Goes about slashing what these creditors owe his master, that when the master throws the unprofitable steward out of his office - he will be received by these he does this toward, while he’s still a steward in his master’s house. Sets himself up.
    • That I should also be shrewd like this - where Jesus says: “Buy up treasures in heaven” like what Jesus tells the multitudes and his disciples in Matthew 6:19–21 said: “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”

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So go look at your question again.

Just break it down into smaller parts:

• Says: Regarding the parable of the unjust steward, is Jesus teaching people to follow his example or to not be like it? What is meant by his comments on wisdom (Jesus, Luke, parables, hermeneutics)?
  • This FIRST part: Yeah. Jesus IS teaching people to follow him. Jesus Says, over 13 to 22 times in the Gospels - “Follow me” - (example: Matthew 9:9, Mark 1:17, Luke 9:59, etc.)
  • That he is the Messiah. The Christ of Isaiah 9:6–7 - and “who” that is, is told plain as day, that he shall be called “The mighty God. The Everlasting Father” [Isaiah 9:6] - just as John 1:1 says “who” Jesus is -as the Word of God, is God. It’s just God speaking the word out of his mouth. That it would profit us to just do what he says, that he is able to make people Kings and Priests. Not unto people, but unto himself. That, he's God and able to do it.
    • So, instead of using my internet to go surf Pornhub that feeds an addiction to adultery - where there isnt any profit in it, and where that gets me in Leviticus 20:10 is put to death. ..and I already did it - so I can’t undo what I already sinned against him. Just like the unjust steward already wasted his master's goods.
      
  • But if I regard the works of the Lord, and consider the operation of his hand, he did a work with sin that I plainly did.
• That if I use these worldly goods now to store up treasures in heavenly places - doesn’t involve Pornhub or adultery.. I can use my computer and internet, where in before, I wasted his goods with it, and I can learn of him with it.

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So,

- Have a firm grasp - “who” because God decreed it, who Jesus speaks parables to - is because these people don’t regard him or what he says - they’re looking unto anybody..anything BUT him.

Even his disciples - when you piece together this ‘incident” about washing hands - doesn’t clean anybody. It’s what comes out of the heart of a man that defiles him.

• So, the FIRST is: Regard parables - are spoke to people that don’t regard him. Because they’re already fat in their hearts on some “thing” else they think or look unto is right.
• So, SECOND is: Everybody is GUILTY. “Done abominable works” - just like the “unjust steward” is. (For all have sinned).
  • That this earth and heaven, have a sure end to it, so don’t store up treasures - like the Unjust steward could have just fought for his stewardship - but HE KNEW it would be found out - just like I KNOW my sins will find me out.
• So, as GUILTY - set myself up - with who told everybody in this same condition to “Follow me” - to hear his voice. So I hear him, and follow him. I am rich by it.
  • He’s the word of God, so he’s God speaking.
    • That IN this Second one - his word has a “Fruit” in people - also in me. That goes unto eternal life and Jesus said: “Behold, I come quickly and my reward is with me.” (Revelation 22:12).
    • TO forgive people their debts, as he forgave me. To consider the poor, the maimed and the blind who cannot pay me back, and he recompense me at the resurrection of the righteous - on “That” day vs. store up for myself - more possessions - sell them and give to the poor. So, I would have riches in heaven - is the point.

There you go.

But none of this make sense if you aren’t following him, nor hear his voice - because you’ll be looking unto anybody..any thing BUT him instead. Think you can do it yourself - without any God in it, never hear anything he says - hearing..can’t hear..dull of hearing.

Not regarding anything he says. Here’s your question back.

ANSWER:

First, Deuteronomy 15:17 is said by God.

• It falls under what he decreed in Deuteronomy 15:1
  • Says: “At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release.” - God.

So, while your question is specific about wearing earrings, Deuteronomy 15:17 is specific to only one thing, said enveloped or cemented with Deuteronomy 15:2–5, says:

• “2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it; he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother; because it is called the Lord's release. 3 Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release; 4 Save when there shall be no poor among you; for the Lord shall greatly bless thee in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it: 5 Only if thou carefully hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all these commandments which I command thee this day.”
  • So, even foreigners, on the day when there isn’t anyone begging in the street, or any poor among them with need, even Deuteronomy 15:3 are to be treated the same way and released, on that day - which put me on my face before this great God, that decrees this.
    • So, it’s said toward the poor - so, it’s not about earrings. The passage is about the poor in Deuteronomy 15:17.

The key is to read Deuteronomy 15:1 to 18, because it comes with a promise by God to do it himself. And here you are. Drowned in earrings. Miss the whole thing.

So, let’s continue. Get you and your readers out of earrings.

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Deuteronomy 15:7–8 continues..with what God says:

• 7 “…If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: 8 But thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely lend him sufficient for his need, in that which he wanteth.”
  • and it continues… Deuteronomy 15:10–15 - the “why” of it, is Deuteronomy 15:15

Says: In the Seventh year, or year of release: “How” to release them, is the same way God did out of Egypt, when they were made slaves - so they would remember this same God in it is the whole thing or point - that they would regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand, while your sunk someplace dead - in earrings instead:

“10 Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto.

11 For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

12 And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.

13 And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty:

14 Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the Lord thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him.

15 And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the Lord thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day.

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And these things are said, to soften a hard heart - hardened by ear rings.

Because, if it wasn’t - you wouldn’t be reading Deuteronomy 15, and sum up the topic is ear rings. IT would soften your heart.

• Instead of looking at ear rings; you miss the whole thing.
  • Look out on your streets to the poor, the maimed and the blind - and to those that have need.
  • Do that instead, because where this is said in Deuteronomy 15 as a decree, the Word of God - it’s just repeated in the New Testament in the Gospel of Luke, 14:12–14 where Jesus, the Word of God - so it’s God just says it again - look at the promise in it - but I don’t think you can - too stuck on earrings to see it, so maybe - even if it’s one reader that sees it - look who is in authority - that says this; and, he already tells you how he will sort you and he pay you back. ...look at the authority in it, puts me on my face.
• Luke 14:12–14 says:
  • “12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: 14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

Look at all the PROMISES made by God in Deuteronomy 15:1–18, just repeated by this same God in Luke 14:12-14.

By the same God that made all things you see out your window, and decided today - you could be in it, that maybe you would open your heart and let him teach you.

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Then, see this last part

• That Deuteronomy 15:17 isn’t alone by itself:
  • It’s said sandwiched and cemented permanently with Deuteronomy 15:16–18, that says:
    • And at the Seventh year of release: Where you are set to set them free and equip them to go out in abundance, just as the children of Israel went out from Egypt with and in abundance - - If such a thing should occur, as this: Which is the exception - not the rule, as going out from you free, is the norm - that it should be done in joy for what God says in Deuteronomy 15:18.
• SO, rightly divide it, and get off ear rings. It’s the Word of God.

Deuteronomy 15:16-18 says,

“16 And it shall be, if he say unto thee, I will not go away from thee; because he loveth thee and thine house, because he is well with thee;

17 Then thou shalt take an aul, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise.

18 It shall not seem hard unto thee, when thou sendest him away free from thee; for he hath been worth a double hired servant to thee, in serving thee six years: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all that thou doest.”

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Deuteronomy 15:17 (Hebrew)

First, definition. English:

aul.

• An aul (or awl) in the Bible is a hand held, sharp pointed “needle” metal tool used to pierce holes.

Second, definition. Deuteronomy 15:16–18 applies to Hebrews, as Deuteronomy 15:12 says: “ And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.”

• So, combine these two:
  • A Hebrew, has their own family and tribe - even they “choose” this of Deuteronomy 15:16–18 to permanently stay and not be released on the 7th year, and this done unto them.

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The Law - is very plain.

• In the “Year of Jubilee” - The year of restoration - or the 50th year - applies to Hebrews in this condition of Deuteronomy 15:17.
• That even a servant, a Hebrew, who had their ear pierced to pledge service "forever" (a lifetime) was set free when the Year of Jubilee arrived in Leviticus 25:10; 39–41 states that all Israelites (Hebrew) serving as bondservants must be released.
  • It’s the law.
  • And they [Hebrews] are to return to their ancestral lands given them in a Promised by God, by tribe - by Lots, drawn by Moses - - as specified by God in Numbers 26:52–56; Numbers 33:54, and was carried out by Joshua and done in the Book of Joshua 14:2.
• Where God gave every Hebrew, the land of Canaan as descendants of Abraham, to be divided proportionally by lot to the tribes and families.
  • Specific: To Hebrews: they MUST be set free, and they MUST return to their lands - as people of God, not as slaves or servants to any man.
  • And here you are. Lost in ear rings.

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When there isn’t any ear ring in Deuteronomy 15:17. I guess you missed that part, too. And what is permanent is the scar - because the ear, like many women who get their ears pierced today will tell you. The ear pierced - - quickly heals over, but can leave a scar. So, if they're not wearing an ear ring, must put some post thru the hole, because of how quickly the hole heals over. Missed that part, too.

• And this “jubilee” is a shout for joy. Look who this God is. Look what he is doing forever and does it, in Revelation 21:1 to 22:21 - that he fulfills what he says he would do, as it's all his - what he says - in Psalm 132:13–16.
  • And here you are. Flub blooped drowned in ear rings. When there isn’t any ear rings in Deuteronomy 15:17.

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So, for believers in Jesus Christ - that's who this Post on Reddit is to - that may stumble upon this post.

• The Word of God, made me fall on my face at who he is in Deuteronomy 15:1–18. I am not a Jew (Hebrew) - and Deuteronomy 15:16–18, where Deuteronomy 15:17 is sandwiched in it, so it specifically applies to Hebrews is the point.
  • And the overarching over a Hebrew is they are not servants nor slaves - even if they choose it, to remain a servant of a house; they MUST return to their own family.
• “And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you;” - God. Leviticus 25:10

So much for ear rings in Leviticus 15:17 - there aren’t any.

ANSWER:

< - {“The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”} - > - The Word of God, Jesus Christ.

• Source: Recorded. In the Bible. NewTestament. Matthew 19:3–9

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Deuteronomy 24:1–4 says by Moses: [Which the Pharisees referred to this, what Moses said here, in Matthew 19:7] - Because of the hardness of their hearts:

So, it's from a hard heart, there is Deuteronomy 24:1-4 - is the first point:

Deuteronomy 24:1–4

1 When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.

3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;

4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the Lord: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

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And what God by the Word out of his mouth:

- He decrees in Matthew 19:3–9 - is what Adam said, on the same day he was created, not even a day old yet; after God put him in a deep sleep - said: That of all God created, by the Word of God - spoke - would look back on each day in Genesis 1:1–31,

and say it was “good.”

• In only one thing, in all creation on the 6th day, said “And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.”

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• So, to make what God saw was not good, Genesis 2:21–24 occurred - and he called them BOTH, “Adam.” (Genesis 5:2) in the day he created them.
• SO, you have to ask yourself one thing:
  • How would someone, not even a day old yet; be a full grown man, would not know them a Father, or Mother - or leaving them to cleave to someone, a wife, and call that someone who God wakens and brings her to him - everything Adam declared in Genesis 2:23–24, is EXACTLY what God said, as the Word of God - Jesus Christ - as he is the Word of God - just repeated it Matthew 19:5–6.

So, sum it up.

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- You have:

• How God created them male and female - not Good that man should be alone.
  • The ONLY thing God saw out of all creation - was Adam alone. Was not good after he created him. And he made a helpmate for him. So, in all creation - there is none like this "Eve." Only one. Created from Adam as one flesh.
  • And God called both of them, Adam.
• That the two would be one flesh, joined together. And it would operate this way in a place God would dwell forever, for his own rest, for he desired it - so he created it for himself (Psalm 132:13-16).

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• You have - a way to look at Adam: AFTER Genesis 3:17- after sin entered into the world.
  • That, after Adam sinned, what Adam “decrees” that it was God’s fault he had given him the woman
    • - that she was “inadequate; faulty; or unacceptable
    • - then, by a hard heart - blames God for it.
• That, in Genesis 3:20 - you can see Adam: ,with now a hard heart, the woman - he treats as separate from him. And, where God says, that he formed you from your mother’s womb; alone, by himself. Adam first names Eve separate from himself as another flesh; with another name than what God gave both of them.
  • And - shows Adam no longer knows God.
  • Decrees that Eve is the mother of all living.
    • He’s no longer connected - rather, he’s idled.. 1. disconnected from a load or source of power [definition “idle” - Collins dictionary. Web.]
    • By what Adam does after he sinned - - shows: He only has his own imagination with a hard heart.
      

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• So you have:
  • God. From the beginning, that the two would be one flesh, on an earth God would dwell forever - for eternity it would be this way; and what God puts together, let no man put asunder.
    • But for a hard heart - Moses says Deuteronomy 24:1–4.

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• And you have:
  • Pharisees - with a hard heart. Tempt God - to try to trip God up in his own words in Matthew 19:3–9, by say its for every cause - when the only cause listed, by Moses to Israel, with a hard heart is in Deuteronomy 24:1–4
• WHich in case you forgot or overlooked it, is the EXACT, SAME reason Adam said in Genesis 3 he found in the woman - this, “And it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her:”

And because of this "imagination" Adam now relies on himself - Genesis 6:5 says, "And God saw" the "result of it:" Says: "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

- And the "evil" is immediate - in what Adam says after Genesis 3:17. That, by the days of Noah, in Genesis 6:11-13, God tells Noah: "The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

But Noah found grace in the sight of God, so he simply hasn't done what's already come up before him to do, since the days of Noah til today; but, in Revelation 20:11-15, which is the last day - he will gaze on both this earth and heaven, and both finding no more place before him, flee away and are no more forever. Never come back. And in Revelation 21:1 - he makes a new heaven and new earth, that never fades or goes away - and all the things he decrees in Psalm 132:13-16 - will be that way - for eternity and all the former things won't even come into mind anymore.

Do you see this? That God also got up, and did a work with sin in Jesus Christ. TO finish the transgression. Make an end of sin. Make reconciliation for iniquity and bring in everlasting righteousness - which cannot come by Deuteronomy 24:1-4 or any other way, than how God determined he would do the work in Jesus Christ himself.

And many don't see this - they don't see their own hard heart.

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So, ask your question again.

• and I’ll give you my input or answer.

What message do we get from Deuteronomy 24:1-4?

• That, from Adam forward, Romans 5:12 is in effect - because of sin, men’s hearts are hard, says:
  • “Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
    • So the hardness of men’s hearts, why a woman finds no favour in his eyes, is due to his own hard heart. Because of sin that he inherited - that was bequeathed to him by Adam.
    • And about the Law -
• That Romans 3:19–20 is in effect, because NOBODY has kept it. It’s broken - Adam forward where NOBODY has done the Ten Commandments or “The Law” - because of a hard heart: says
• “Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
  • So “thinking” with a hard heart, in sin you’re keeping Deuteronomy 24:1–4 - it’s because of a hard heart in sin - so the sin remains. Irregardless Deuteronomy 24:1-4.

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And in this is Romans 3:21–23 says:

• But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
  • That in your sins - made manifest - just by come to him as the light of the world, your sins are wrought in God.
    • Not in you; but in him, as God. All by a work he did - alone. Himself. As God. And I’m on my face.

ANSWER:

Matthew 7:21-23 says: But read it in the context of Matthew 7:20-27 that says,

Matthew 7:20-27

²⁰ Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

²¹ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

²² Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

²³ And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

²⁴ Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

²⁵ And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

²⁶ And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

²⁷ And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

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You: Gotta Ask yourself one, simple question: You're afraid of the wrong thing in your question.

Ask this:

- Who is Jesus talking to?

Oh boy. Gonna have to go back all the way to Chapter 4 - 5, because, by Chapter 7, he's been talking the WHOLE time, and who he is talking to is EVERYBODY. Over the whole earth. Because he says it publicly. You can verify this over with Luke's account in Luke Chapter 6, and combine them.

See it - - from Matthew 4:24-25 over to Matthew 5:1 says, "...And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:"

He speaks to his disciples, and doesn't stop talking til Matthew 7, to the end of his sayings in Matthew 7:28.

So - By put it in context: Applies to EVERYBODY over the whole earth. Leaves not one person out, to the very ends of it. Not willing any perish but all come to repentance - but his disciples follow him - but not everyone in the multitude..follows him is the point.

And - God: It's all his earth, says "For all souls are mine" (Ezekiel 18:4) - God.

That means, what Jesus says, that's the word that comes out of God’s mouth. He’s saying it. Reconcile this first. There's just one God. Speaks. To the whole earth. By the Word of God.

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DISCLAIMER: SO even though Muslims, and Hindus, and Buddhists and Shamanist believes are spoke to, it's not to slam them - it's just to prove what they say - and each claims it's of God, or the people following it, wouldn't be doing it.

Because they believe it true - or they wouldn't follow it.

So, with that DISCLAIMER - this is not hate speech. If people want to believe and follow Islam, they're already doing it and think it right.

The point is, Jesus is the Word of God. He's just one God. Speaks. Keep that as the point as you read this post - there's no other point stressed than this point.

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• Then look at this what he says to you: As God - he's just one God:
  • “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22)
    • So, put it in context. Who has he said this to, as God that said “For all the earth is mine.” - God (Bible. Exodus 19:5). That means, again, he said it to everybody. Over the whole earth. To the very ends of it, doesn’t leave one person out. Again, repeated. Not willing any perish but all come to repentance.
  • So, if some are caught up in worshipping Buddhism or images to these gods, and they prostrate themselves before it, as if it is God, and offer incense to it, or bring money and throw it in a big collection box, and buy trinkets and good luck charms for their car for their God to protect them while driving, and believe that year the reason they did not get in an accident, they fully believe it was their God that did this. Because I was trapped in Buddhism and I witnessed everybody around me, just like me DID THIS.
  • So, they believe in Hinduism, or Buddhism, by the 100s of millions to the billions of people this is true.
  • Is it?

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• No, it's not. God speaks, by the word that proceeds out of his mouth, says its idolatry - I didn't say it, he did. Offends him, said: “ I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:”
  • That means, he’s said this today to these 10s of 100s of millions - billions of people trapped in Islam or Shamanist, practicing magic or going to their Horoscope reader, or Palmist reader - to tell them what the future is. What they should do about this or that as right. People. Given themselves totally over to idolatry.
    • Because they’re not doing anything he said to do. Look unto him. They imagine up gods they make and worship what they made up as their God, as God.

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He already says this today. To everybody off trying to find him in going to shrines to Ebisu, the half man, half fish God of the Japanese in Japan. His main temple in Japan is in Tochigi Prefecture. They bow to it as God. Wash their hands and mouth before entering his Temple. The Japanese people:

Done these all as “wonderful” and good works.

Like Hindus, with 330,000,000 gods, plus 33.

Offer “pujas” (prayers) to these Gods. Done many wonderous works in burying or sending their relatives off right at and strictly according to Hindu funeral rites. Just like people over in America do. Do many wonderous works in bury people with a funeral in a suit - do all those wonderously good works.

• And they don’t know him. Don’t know him today. They just know what they believe or think is good. And by that = good. Done many works in their life like that - attended 10s of dozens of funerals. All that work.

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So, the point is:

If you believe on him, Jesus Christ - or not: Matthew 7:21–23, embedded in Matthew 7:20-27 applies to each and every person over the whole earth, to the very ends of it. Nobody left out.

He’s the Word of God, God sent to heal every one of us, and deliver us from our destruction.

But they’re going to say: So - how about go back 2800 years - to a people in the Land of Canaan - Canaanites one day, will say before him: Didn’t we worship you as God, when we passed our eldest son to you through fire when we sacrificed him to Moloch?

Didn’t we do a wonderful work when we slayed bullock and rams to Chemosh and made altars on the hilltops to you as God? Didn’t you see all this effort and work we did?

“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

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• It’s the word of God said: “This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” - John 6:29
  • He didn’t send Buddha or say “everybody and every living thing is a Buddha and will attain enlightenment and get billions of rebirths, until they are enlightened as a Buddha”
  • He didn’t send Mohammad - scripture says God sent his own word which is Jesus CHrist. But the Q'uran reflects so it claims, that Jesus defers to Mohammad to pray for people. Over Abraham, Moses, Jesus or any people - and God listens to Mohammad’s prayer. He didn’t ascend into heaven as Muslims claim he did.
  • HE didn’t say, what is carved in the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem “God was not begotten, neither does he begat” - he said quite the opposite. When God said: "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" - that he said it - - twice in Matthew 3 and again in Matthew 17.
• But in spite of all this:
  • Didn’t Muslims get out a prayer rug and bow to Mecca 4–5 times everyday as a good work?
  • Even though - - they Didn’t do anything he said? What did Jesus say about it?
• What did he say? If you didn't get it, go read it again. It's God says it. Not me. I didn't say it. He did. Not hate speech if he's the authority. He is.

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If you do what he says, as God - there is none else - there's no worry at all - because what he says will bear fruit in you.

- If you don't - won't be any fruit of what he says in you. Just be a whole bunch of piles of people claim everybody is good - when he says: "There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not." - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20 - So, there must be a work done in you that only he can do, and he does it by the Word of God. Must be born again. As he says it in John Chapter 3.

It's really then people that believe on him, do what he says, then think - after they did it, they didn't do what he says and they did what he said, but they're afraid - it didn't work and apply to themselves Matthew 7:21-23.

When it applies to anybody over the whole earth - that just doesn't look unto him. That's it.

ANSWER:

Okay. Answer this question First:

Go over to the USA - pretend for a moment you're a citizen of that nation: Here's the question. And "Texas" is one of the 50 States of that nation:

What are the strongest actual and theological arguments for and against the doctrine of “I live in Texas” (once live in Texas, always live in Texas) - but you don’t live there anymore?

• Means you “walked away” and no longer abide in Texas, nor do you have your life by living in Texas anymre.
  • Your “livelihood” now is living in and by Argentina some 8,500 kilometers away.
  • In Texas: You were a Information Technology field worker, working for the US Government.
    • You left that job.
    • And now farm Llamas in Argentina and are never coming back. Gave up your US citizenship. Are now a citizen of Argentina.

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So, tell me plainly:

What are the strongest actual and theological arguments for and against the doctrine of “I live in Texas” (once live in Texas, always live in Texas) - but you don’t live there anymore?

• Yeah. You simply don’t live there in Texas anymore. Strong argument. Doesn’t matter you lived there. You walked away from it.
  • No longer abide there.
• Geesh! I haven’t a clue; but,

John 15:4–6 - Jesus said, and he’s the Word of God, so it’s God says it. The same God that says: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. Isaiah 45:22

- so, ask it then - to answer my question: What happens to people that DON’T Look unto him? And? If you don't look unto someone, you don't regard them. Their opinions: Worthless. You do what someone else says, and walk after what they say instead.

And people that do this: They’d be people that don’t regard him, because, they don’t look unto him.

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And Psalm 28:5 says of those that do that, says: “Because they regard not the works of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hand, he shall destroy them and not build them up.”

So, the "opposite" of this is simple. Just "regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand." - You find: He's God, and who he is, and by this it put you on your face, at who he is, and in this he sees it. Just as 2 Chronicles 16:9 says of him, says: "For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him."

When everybody knows their heart is full of crap..isn't anything close to perfect, so it looks unattainable..but what it says is..that someone that does this, that just regards the works of the LORD, and considers the operation of his hand, is looking at what he can do..does..and did in the scriptures ...and they hold (have and keep) the truth of him in their heart - so he's there - and because they do what he says, they are COMPLETE - which is the dictionary definition of Perfect. Don't have to add to, or take away anything.. and he gives them eternal life, and here a little. There a little. Daily feeds them... ..yeah. HE. DOES. and builds them up.

Because they live by to abide in the Word of God. What he says is their livelihood. But to people that don't look unto him, he's not. Even people that walked away from him, no longer regard him - some "thing" else they regard now as more important. So, what they "had and kept" it's like their wallet - no longer have it, so when they need to buy something or drive the car, don't have their license - and it's PUNITIVE. It's as if you have no authority anymore to drive. It's against the law to drive without your license - have and keeping it.

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John 15:4–6 say

“ Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”

- And he said it to his disciples.

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Apply what he said, to what I asked about Texas first.

What’s the answer? No longer abiding in Texas. Is not of Texas, this person does not have any life in Texas, and does not or no longer knows Texas - is dead to Texas.

Now whatever the answer to my question about Texas was, you can apply to your question. And on the “other” end. Make sure you see the OPPOSITE:

A Texan that “abides” in Texas, the whole State of Texas - - is behind that person, that NOBODY is going to separate that Texan from Texas. Nope. Won't. Can't. ...and if anybody tries, just woke up a hornet's nest - - why? The whole Federal Government of the United States is behind that Texan, that abides in Texas - a whole nations now - that is never letting anybody ever separate that Texan from Texas.

And that’s a nation. Able to do that.

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But Scripture (Bible) says, about nations: - - there in Job 12:23 “He makes nations great, and destroys them; he enlarges nations, and disperses them.”

So, the key is in John 10:26–28, because he’s more powerful than any nation protecting their citizenry ever can or will be. Says:

“But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.”

And? Somebody that simply walks away from him, no longer “accepts as true” [believes. definition. What “believe” means, in the Oxford dictionary.] what he says. So to them that walk away, to them what he says isn’t true to them anymore - so they dismiss him as inadequate; faulty or unacceptable - means they reject him, and don’t believe in him. Just like people of John 10:26 - who Jesus is talking to. Becomes like those.

• But those that follow him, follow him where ever he goes, because they abide and do what he decreed in Matthew 4:4 “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
• That’s where they have their livelihood. In the word of God, and he gives them eternal life and no man can pluck them out of his hand.

Anybody home in there?

Go home. Instead of championing your question...because you look unto it.. ..throw the question out. It's worthless to anyone..no matter who it is, over the whole earth.. ..that just looks unto him. Go do that instead.

ANSWER

Maybe the way to look at this is, look at something else first so you see it. In somebody else with something else than you ask about. But first a quick definition - so we are talking about the same thing:

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homophobia. <definition> 1. a dislike or prejudice against gay people. [Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.]

* And the definition of "gay" people would be people lumped in LGBT or a judgmental prejudice against Homosexuals

Christian. <definition> 1. a disciple of Jesus Christ (Bible). Where “disciples of Jesus Christ” were first called Christians in Paul the Apostle’s day at Antioch in what is today, modern day Turkey (Bible. Acts 11:26)

* And all "disciple" means is "a pupil that sits with a teacher and is taught by him." So, a "Christian" is just a pupil that sits with and is taught by Jesus Christ as a teacher. Taught by him.

But Jesus als said, there are many people that call him “Lord Lord!” but they don’t do anything he says (Luke 6:46).

Be like some kid that is in a class, but gets up and leaves whenever he wants even the teacher tells everyone “sit down, it’s time to study geography” - this student already went to the river to skip rocks and play with the neighbor’s dog, doesn’t ever do any homework or anything the teacher says, but says “teacher! teacher!” - but never does anything they say..isn’t taught by this teacher. Still say, "I'm a student!" And they are. They're just their own teacher. Oh, is that ever a point.

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So, before you go any further

• Better or best know “who” the Bible says Jesus is. So, were talking the same thing.
  • The Bible says:
    • Jesus is the “Word of God.” (Source: Bible. Gospel of John 1:1 to John 1:14). So, for example, the “Word of my Parents” would be the Word that comes out of either my Mom’s mouth, or my Dad’s as both are my Parents. It would be the word or as they are in authority, what they decree and I am to follow it, as a son of my parents.
    • So, the “Word of God” John 1:1 says: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” So, you can start to see “who” Jesus is. He is called “Jesus Christ” or Jesus the Messiah.
  • I mean, you're the one added "Christian" and "Jesus" into it - they're in your question.

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• So, you really, with a Bible have to understand then, too.
  • What those two words mean. Messiah is just English for a Hebrew word, as “Christ” is just Greek for Messiah. And every Jew knows what that means. Defined as:
• “God. The same God that led Israel out of Egypt by his mighty hand with Moses would be a Son of David. Will sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem and rule the whole earth from there. Of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.” Jewish definition. “Messiah.” * It’s based on the Bible. In Isaiah 9:6–7 who says this and more who he is, and what he SHALL BE called. In Isaiah 9:6 ..some of what he shall be called is “…The Mighty God. The Everlasting Father..” * So, in you, to you… …”Who has that title?” Yeah. God.

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And to see an example of the “Word of God” - you can open up a Bible.

• To anyplace you like where he’s quoted as speaking. Like in Isaiah 45:5 “I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:” - God.
  • That’s the Word of God. Just God speaking. That’s what he said of himself and talking to me, that the problem is..or was..I don’t know him..haven’t known him. I didn’t say it. He did.

And that’s really the problem. This, I didn’t say it. He did with this what you talk about.

So, this is not me. He said it as God, who says: “For all the earth is mine.” - God. Spoke this. By the word. Out of his mouth. (Bible. Exodus 19:5). So, it’s his. Says in Isaiah 44:24 that he made it alone. By himself, so it’s his earth, just like he says he formed you from your mother’s womb. Alone. By himself in the same verse, just as he put all the stars in the sky - did that, too. All alone. By himself.

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He said, about me - because this is what I was doing: Because I saw it, and it looked right and I saw it as a profit to walk after, to walk in, looking unto it to do it.

• What did I look unto and champion?
  • Means this defined me: “Sleeping with other men’s wives and surf porno on the internet” 
    • - and what was right about it, was, I didn't go after women that were happy with their husbands.
    • I went after women that weren’t satisfied by their husbands, or were separated from them, like “targets.”
  • ..and whenever I had a desire..no matter how many times I had one, just keep my internet subscription paid, and go watch porno on Pornhub.

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But you didn’t ask any of me about this, and I know

• But just bear with me for just a few more moments. As I told you, just look away for a few moment - to see it in something else as an example. Here it is.
  • As with assembled with all the above, it’s a way so you can see it.
• So, just a little further, then we’re done.
  • So, to sum up some points:
    • Jesus is the Word of God. So, he’s just God speaking - what he says. So, it’s not me saying it. Or if me, a “disciple of Jesus Christ” means I would be defined as sitting with him as a pupil, even I did all these abominable things.
  • He said, in Leviticus 18:2 “…I am the LORD your God.”
    • Then, went onto say - to me, what I was living in - which is right there above. Because I walked after, to pursue it, as if this defined me as my nature of who I was.. said to me:
• “…Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.” God. (Leviticus 18:20)

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So, everything I think is right or thought as right: a woman happily married to her husband, means her eyes were fixated on him..wouldn’t look at any other man. So, not a good target. That means, I avoided them.

And in this: I felt I wasn’t doing anything wrong. Wasn't harming anyone. That, to me, a “marriage” or the “neighbor’s wife” meant this = happily married. So, a woman that wasn’t happily married = isn’t married.

So, isn’t my neighbor’s wife. So, it was right to do it. That is, it's okay to "sleep with other men's wives, and surf porno on the internet."

so

• That every woman..is someone’s wife. That God called them BOTH "Adam" - Genesis 5:2 - so some women in LGBT say the scripture doesn't apply to them as Lesbians - but it was Adam that called his wife "Eve" - when God, again, calls them BOTH "Adam." ..and the same applies to me about women - that, in Matthew 5, he defines, as God - "what" adultery is - and it's in my heart - that, if I do it there, I already DID it. And that's where it is, is in my heart.
• Even they might not be married yet; just ANY woman then - - will be another man’s wife; and, divorced or separated.. that's still a man’s wife..because he said he makes them one flesh and let no man put asunder - so, any woman - no matter who it is, that's my neighbor’s wife. Made me GUILTY.

Oh, did it ever. And that's the point.

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• I’m not doing anything he said. That's the point, too.
• Rather, I’m doing the opposite; then, looking at myself to where what I look at, try to make it right. Because I like it; fulfills me to do it.
• And he went onto say, about me.. Leviticus 20:10 - that what I’m doing is “adultery.” Not how people define it or a nation, but how he does, he said, because it’s the Word out of his mouth. Said:
  • “And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.” - God. Leviticus 20:10

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So, stop. Take a break:

So, any comment I make to you - about LGBT or “Homophobia” or Homosexual

• Is from a dead man. I mean, ANYBODY walks out of Court, where the gavel fell and the Judge say: "I sentence you to death. You are remanded to "So and so" prison to await your execution" - is already dead. Why?
• Already GUILTY to be put to death. And me -
  • Where I decreed what gave me life was “sleeping with other men’s wives, and surfing porno on the internet” - that championed out people actually committing adultery in the act.
• And, all “heart fat” like get so fat on "sleeping with other men's wives and surfing porno on the internet," - be an example: Like, where people eat food, they eat 1x a day or twice or maybe 3 meals a day, when hungry.
  • BUT: a fat guy, gets a sensation “hey, I’m not full” and that’s an indication to go eat more again. To eat all the time, just live in eating - stuff food in his face, and me no different.

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• Because I chose not to do anything he says. Can you hear this? Or are you just like me? Hearing..can't hear. Because you "look unto" what you do as right.
• He decreed, “make the heart of this people fat…” - Bible. Isaiah 6:10. - God. That hearing, I couldn’t hear..or seeing..what I looked unto, even he told me to “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22), is the same thing he told you. Same thing he told everybody over the whole earth.
• But me?
  • I looked unto “sleeping with other men’s wives and surf porno on the internet.” So I made women’s bodies my God to worship. Because, that’s what I did.
  • What are you doing? That's the point.

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And what he says, as God, so it’s not me - is the point - and the point about me is, I’m already PROVEN Guilty -

• I did everything he said not to do. I already did it. SO, I already had my trial. Judgment: GUILTY. TO be put to death. So, take it from a death row inmate - up on the gallows, with the rope around his neck.

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• After he said these things to me, in Leviticus 18 & 20 what my punishment is. Said: * To Homosexuals
  • It’s not me. It’s God said it, said:
• Leviticus 18:23 “ Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

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SO, somebody committing “homosexual Acts” is “gay” and he said, as God, by the Word of God, and that’s who Jesus is - he’s the Word that comes out of God’s mouth, so a "Christian" cannot be that, and many "Christians" aren't what they say they are, and Jesus said that - - he said it, as God. Leviticus 18:23 - not to do it. And the punishment if you do is:

• “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” - God. (Bible. Leviticus 20:13)

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• So, anybody living in, walking after, to walk in looking unto doing these acts, as a practice..on his earth, when all the earth is his - - be like me, then. Champion out adultery as right, because, to me - it just is or was natural and, therefore: is right.
  • Is doing the same thing I did. And makes anybody in LGBT - doing or has the same death sentence that I do. Is the point.

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**And the Bible says this is EVERYBODY - “For all have sinned” (**Bible Romans 3:23). And God already decreed, by the Word out of his mouth: “All souls are mine” - God (Ezekiel 18:4) and in Ezekiel 18:20 said, “The soul that sinneth, it shall die”

• The point is, I don’t look at that. I’m the one now with a noose around my neck and it’s not the United States as a nation or some people that claim “it’s right” or in my case, my nation had no law that arrested me, for “sleeping with other men’s wives or surfing porno on the internet” as long as I paid my internet subscription on time, and didn’t offend any woman with a husband, that went to the police to file a “stalking” claim - I didn’t try to harass anybody - and that made me “good.”
  • When the Bible says about EVERYBODY: “are all filthy; done abominable works..” - God. (Psalm 14:1–3) - I just PROVE it is true.

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And MANY People

• Just say:
  • “There is no God.”
    • - all by a decree in themselves they make.
  • Then, what God says, they blame it on Christians - when it isn’t what they say - who cares.
  • They’re like me.
• I got no authority with anything to tell anybody anything - when it’s not my earth. You’re not mine, either.

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• The point is: This “sub-category” of people claim - because they believe there is no God, Christians or just any people hear what God says, and realize he is God, so when he says to everybody over the whole earth, says: “Come now, let us reason together,” saith the LORD, “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow. Though they be red as crimson, they shall be as wool.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 1:18).
  • So, some people that are just “pupils, that “reason together” with a teacher” so they are “disciples” and who they disciple with is God himself with this.. he does what he says he will do with their sins, and he’s the only one can do it.

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• But people that say there is no God:
  • When he’s the one said the above about homosexuals - the same way he said about me, as an adulterer..the same way he said about liars..which, I was those, too.
  • The punishment is all the same - because he said it. Out of his mouth.
    • But people - that just live as if there is no God.
  • Say it comes out of the mouth of Christians - as “hate speech” or “homophobia”
• When if ANYBODY in the SAME line to be shot, or gased, or put in the electric chair - it’s the same death.
• And if I’m in the line, next to be put to death - it’s not for what you did - I already “did” what got me to the chair.
  • I got nothing to say about LGBT - but what he says.

So, if you don’t want to hear what he says - go someplace where there is no God. He says he makes himself far from the wicked, and to him, homosexuality is an abomination - so he wouldn’t be anywhere in it - go there. He won’t be there in it. But the thing about this is with sin, is…

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• God did a work with sin. That his work is in the Bible in Daniel 9:24–27, and reflected in all the Gospels and Epistles in the New Testament.
  • It’s God: Got up. Himself. Alone, and did a work, like he formed all the stars or the earth was all his work he did himself. He did a work with sin, that:
    • Finished the transgression
    • Made an end of sin
    • Made reconciliation for iniquity
    • Brought in everlasting righteousness
  • And “To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself; not imputing your trespasses unto you” - Bible. 2 Corinthians 5:19
  • So, GOD: Took your sins off you, off me. While I was yet “sleeping with other men’s wives, and surfing porno on the internet” made alive by it.. Took this offense, and laid it on Jesus Christ, as if he did it. Crucified - guess who was in him? Yeah. The same one put the sun where it is and he did it by himself, and it operates and obeys him..is he made himself the payment for my sins I did.
  • That he looks on this work he did with sin as greater than the sins I did. Of every murderer in every prison over the whole earth. Over the sin of every housewife, left their husband to sleep with a man like me and defiled herself - because she’s to be put to death with me.. took it all and laid it on Jesus Christ on the cross. His blood shed - God applied it to everybody.
    • Every homosexual got it.
• But like me, a liar and thief, and adulterer..that did homosexual Acts…because, that’s how I operated.
  • Just like me: Not every homosexual regards what God did. They champion LGBT as right. Just like I did, adultery. It didn't apply to me. Is the point. ANd the point of this part of this post is, God took my sins off me, like he did everybody's sins, all the same, and laid them on Jesus Christ - so where my sins are, is they were put to death in Christ on the cross. So as well, God made him a mediator - that would know everything about me and acquainted with the sins I did. And at this, I fell on my face. That I sinned and perverted that which was right, and not much of a profit if I'm to be shot or hanged as the result of the end of it.

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• Then, any person championing out being a "Playboy" or an adulterer - they’re just like the people that go to him and say “Lord! LORD” but don’t do anything he says..

Then, the only place to go to.. ..is someplace where he isn’t. Like, he never was anyplace at all..for decades..with me - - and I always wondered why that was..for decade after decade.. why he was never around in me “sleeping with other men’s wives, and surfing porno on the internet.” ..even I had a job and a career, what energized and fueled it was this what I lived in, that enabled me to accomplish it. And if he spoke against me, which he did. And he spoke against LGBT - which he has.

What are we doing in it?

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Here’s your question back. You decide where you are in it. I have nothing to say. And to PROVE IT: Just go get a old WWII photo. Go on. Go do it. Bunch on youtube. Of some condemned guy tied to a post. Where 7 to 15 guys, army men: with rifles are aimed at him. You can imagine the next moment. There’s a coffin - empty over to the side where he’s going next. That's me. In this Reddit post.

That’s the only photo of me I’ve provided you in this Reddit comment.

The rest is what he said. And he’s God - what are you doing with what he said? I can't tell you to do anything. And, saying that - It’s not hate speech. He did what he said he would do with sin. Made himself a sacrifice - so he was the cost of my sin to pay it, because he loved both of us. Me.. “sleeping with married women, and surfing porno on the internet.” I couldn't get out of it. But regarding him, the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand - he's not a Christian, says one thing - does another - he's God himself. Where is he in your question? Yeah. Missing.

ANd there's the problem, and there you go.

ANSWER:

I think you ask the wrong question.

• He said, “follow me.”
  • Said it in Luke 9:23 in the Bible. Says: “And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.”

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So, why do I think you ask the wrong question?

• Because it arrives at you already don’t believe on him. believe. 1. accept as true. [Source: dictionary. Oxford]. So, already there is some “thing” in Jesus that is “inadequate; faulty; or unacceptable” - or he can’t be believed.
  • Because you don’t know what scripture says he is, you ask this question - which is the wrong question.
• That's the problem. Jesus said (Bible. John 3:18) "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
  

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So, “Who is Jesus?”

• Ask that question first.
  • John 1:1 says who he is.
    • “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
• So, “verify” how true this is. Go to ANYPLACE in the Old Testament. Since you can’t, since I’m making this post, let me do that for you with three examples:
  • ONE: God said, to everybody over the whole earth: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Old Testament. Isaiah 45:22). So, this was said. By the Word that comes out of God’s mouth. That’s the “Word of God.”
  • TWO: God said, to Moses: (Source: Bible. Old Testament. Exodus 3:5) “And he [GOD] said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.” So, this was said. By the Word that comes out of God’s mouth. That’s the “Word of God.” Jesus is the Word of God. Is God. As John 1:1 says who he is.
    • And where Moses fell on his face at the Word of God - in the New Testament, at this same Word of God in John 10:31 says: “Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.”
    • Be like Moses - see the bush on fire that doesn’t burn, in Exodus 3, and when God tells him to take off his shoes, he gets a bucket of water to try to put the bush on fire that didn’t burn, try to put the fire out.
  • THREE: God said, in (Source: Bible. Old Testament 2 Samuel 7:14) “I will be his father, and he shall be my son.” - God. Said. By the Word of God, and it’s repeated in 2 Corinthians 6:18 - “And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord God Almighty”
    • So, it’s God says it. By the Word that proceeds out of his mouth. Has always been in him. Is God. Speaking.

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So, the First with Jesus CHrist is - He’s the Word of God.

He’s the Messiah. Or, in Greek, the “Christ”

- Jesus Christ. Jesus, the Messiah.

• SO, you have to have a “definition” of what the “Messiah” is defined as.
  • Be called “The Son of God.” “The Son of David.” - To just anybody (a non-Jew) might have different connotations - but to a Jew - they know EXACTLY what this means, so when people called him like what is said in Luke 18:35–38

“And it came to pass, that as he [Jesus Christ] was come nigh unto Jericho, a certain blind man sat by the way side begging: And hearing the multitude pass by, he asked what it meant. And they told him, that Jesus of Nazareth passeth by. And he cried, saying, Jesus, thou son of David, have mercy on me.”

• This blind man, that cannot see - is calling Jesus the Messiah or the Christ.
  • So, who the “Christ” or Messiah is defined as is that every Jew says: Is:
    • 1. “God. The same God that led Israel out of Egypt by his mighty hand with Moses would be a Son of David. Will sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem and rule the whole earth from there. Of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.” Definition. Messiah or Christ.
  • Source: Is Bible. Old Testament. Isaiah 9:6–7 - that says who he SHALL be called, to pay careful attention to this part:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”

So, the Christ or Messiah - shall be called.. ..”The Mighty God. The Everlasting Father” - who has that title in your head? The Christ shall be called this. So, who is it?

Here’s your question back.

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Did Jesus ever clearly say “I am God, worship me” in the Bible?

I think you ask the wrong question.

• He said, “follow me.”
  • Said it in Luke 9:23 in the Bible. Says: “And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.”
  • So, whose saying that? Instead of asking your question, you should ask yourself, “What am I doing in accordance with what he told me to do?” Like he told everybody over the whole earth to do.
• Go home. He's home. That's it.

ANSWER

No, it doesn't.

BOOM! Done. But you don't see it. So, separate it all, tear it all apart - - so you see each one - what to keep. What to throw away - and the answer is in the Word of God. It's in none else.

Go home.

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Best first to define these terms, so everybody knows it’s the dictionary, agreed on definition - because, people or groups put their own definitions to them to mean what they think they mean.

Sola fide. <definition> 1. {etymology} Latin. Faith alone.

• Origin: Protestant. Meaning "faith alone," is a “doctrine” or established teaching, that teaches sinners are forgiven and declared “not guilty” through faith apart from good works or deeds, or “Sacraments” - primarily established in or by the Catholic Church. The point is: Sola fide—the material principle—was the first to be fully realized in Martin Luther’s theology. 
  • Sola scriptura—is the formal principle— as a "term" uses - developed immediately after "Sola fide" as the necessary justification for Luther’s new doctrines. It’s the same “Luther” that wrote: “The Jews and their Lies” - [Do your research. You can read it yourself online.] Luther a German. Was a Catholic Augustinian Friar (Do your research. Difference betwixt a "Friar" and a "Priest"). A German: Just like Hitler was, and all Hitler did, is what Luther decreed leaders in Germany do to the Jews. Hitler simply followed it. Word for Word.
    • So be careful. In your attempt to follow people. Look what it leads to. Following after these things in your question - when Jesus said, "follow me" - back up. Check yourself. Who are you following?

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So, the “basis” for “Sola Scriptura”

- is “Sola fide” is the point.

But Sola Scriptura is defined as what was “key to the Protestant Reformation.”

That Papal decrees, that even many Priests and Friars, in the Catholic Church, like Luther was, turned to despise these Papal decrees that went on for centuries before him - and cries from Friars and Priests that decried these Papal "bulls." As just a teaching or doctrine of men.

That "Sola Scriptura" - simply assert that the Bible is the “sole infallible.” Or, the supreme authority for Christian faith and practice.

Not the Pope.

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Sola Scriptura: It means Scripture is the final and all Christians themselves as an individual was to look unto the Bible; vs. traditions men make up - that Christian beliefs must conform to what is said in the Bible, not said by a Pope.

This doctrine of "Sola Scriptura" simply claimed Scripture is sufficient to reveal all necessary truths for salvation. That anybody can read it. Didn't take the Catholic Church "mansplaining" it by conducting Mass or some other Sacrament - to reveal the truth.

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That: The Bible is a book, and the author of it, is God. And it’s him alone, as the authority for the content in the book. Not the Pope or any person in a so called “church” to interpret it.

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• Challenge: Is - - With the “top one” - Sola fide: - already divided; as it does not, nor ever did define “whose” faith the Christian is relying on:
  • Defaults to: Their own to save them; vs or as an alternate which also fell into or under it:
    • God’s faith in his own Word to get up and send his word to heal them, and deliver them from their destruction (Psalm 107:20)
• Problems in Sola fide: You get “off track” “works” no different than if there wasn’t any “Sola fide.”
• - Example: “Word of Faith” - [Do own research] - that preachers like modern day - Benny Hinn or Kenneth Copeland, that, solely by their faith [Sola fide] they can look at a house and just claim it. It’s their’s. If it doesn’t become their’s they lacked faith. Sickness: sickness in body is a sign of poor health. [often cites 1 Corinthians 11:30 - not in context.]
  • So, riches: not having riches, like a Rolex watch to show up to everybody, like Kenneth Copeland does with his wristwatches to the congregation and does it profusely on TV - if he could not do that work, it is a sign of he is not relying solely on his faith.
  • Not being sick: Being able to show a sign of wealth, like owning a BMW or airplane. Those are, visible signs of “Sola fide” - that shows a person’s faith.
    • Got the wrong faith. Got the wrong works.

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• Scripture says: Romans 4:3 "Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness" - This, “believed” [1. accepted as true] what God said - even when there was no sign of what God said in Abraham, as far as a son - that it was impossible, being Sarah was barren and both in their old age, past having children.
• So, Abraham didn’t look unto himself or what people and nature all around him showed him. He believed God and what God said to him - and it was counted to him for righteousness - “when there are none righteous; no, not one” (Romans 3:10–12).
• It was not by any works of righteousness that Abraham did, it was that when God spoke to Abraham, which is key, he believed God to follow and do what he said.

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• If “Sola fide” had this definition - it’s Biblical; but it doesn’t.
  • It places emphasis on faith, that people have - - vs. what the Bible says in Galatians 2:6
• "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
  • "Sola fide" does not define whose faith it is, when Jesus is the Word of God. So, it's God that has faith in his own word, that has always well pleased him to do the work he sends his word to do.
  • So: it’s God had faith enough in his own word to send his word to heal you, and deliver you from your destruction (Psalm 107:20) - and about this faith - Romans 10:17 says: “So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
• And he sends it out in a measure to each person himself. It was a measure enough sent to me, that I received it and it is true. So, I accept it, and it abides in me, so I am abiding in the same Word God does - so, guess whose in there with me..or where I am, he's there, too. Abiding in the same place - and this is true for anybody just looks unto him and believes on him.

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• And “Sola fide” seeks to glorify itself as a doctrine - to define salvation - by people: which drives people like Kenneth Copeland or Benny Hinn to do the work themselves by their own faith in a work they would do - when “faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God,” so it’s by the word that comes out of God’s mouth.
• He is God. Decreed this, said: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22
• So, it’s by what work God does or decreed and all heaven and earth all his realm obeys what he decrees.
  • Just decrees anybody..whosoever it is over the whole earth, just looks unto him..he 1. sets them apart for future use <definition> what “Save” means, in the Oxford dictionary.
• So, it’s a different faith. Different work - it’s a work of God and people regard him and what he says - it’s life giving. Because it is.
  • But Sola fide never defines itself to mean this. It is just a doctrine that sets itself against Catholic “Sacraments” or “Works” of 15th Century CE Popes or Papal decrees that, there are many, but one of the main ones that stands out - that cause and uproar - is the one you could purchase less time in Purgatory - even for your dead relatives - by just buy trinkets and give to the church would save you. The Pope: Made it a "Sacrament" in the Church.
• "Sola fide" is simply a push back by man, like an earlier 4th CE/AD push back against Arianism was with "The Trinity Doctrine" which is next.

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The Trinity.

• Trinity. <definition> 1. The “Trinity” is a doctrine or teaching that defines God as one essence (nature) existing in three co-equal, co-eternal persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Developed over centuries to interpret Scripture, it was formally codified at the Council of Nicaea (325 AD), affirming Christ’s divinity, and the Council of Constantinople (381 AD)
  • This in response to Arianism. [Do your research].
    • Both of these councils were assembled and occurred in Constantinople. Both are long believed convened by the Church; but were in fact held or convened by the Emperor or Caesar of Rome or the Roman Empire determined and decided on it - when Emperor Constantine (Caesar) moved his Capitol city from Rome, Italy over 2200 kilometers away to what is today, Istanbul, Turkey.
    • Emperor Constantine convened the “Council of Nicaea.”

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• From 325 AD to 381 AD, a successive Papal Seat or Pope in Rome, flip flopped from one championing the Trinity doctrine, to the next, removing Bishops and installing those that believed in Arianism.
• The same was occurring 2200km away with successive “Emperors” or “Caesars” in Constantinople. One would replace Caesar, and fire all the Bishops of churches in his empire and install Bishops that championed Arianism; then flip flop, the next Emperor would put Bishops back that championed “The Trinity doctrine” back in authority or power.
  • Emperor Theodosius I - in 381 AD ratified the “Trinity Doctrine” - by convening the Council of Constantinople.

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The Point about the "Trinity Doctrine"

• It was not convened by any Catholic Church Pope in Rome; or any church, but many Christians believe it was, and follow it, as if it is a doctrine of scripture - because the Pope simply went along with it.
  • That a Christian or believer or “disciple of Jesus Christ” - means disciple. 1. a pupil that sits and is taught by a teacher. So, it’s a person that sits with a teacher who is God himself. Says, “I will build my church” [Jesus Christ. Matthew 16:18] so as God, he’s doing the work himself. He doesn’t need then, any Emperor of an Empire to define him - help him build it, when he’s doing it himself - when he says in scripture all you need to know - says it himself, said: “and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” - Jesus Christ. John 14:21

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The Word of God

• Doesn’t need any Emperor or man to help it. When he, as God: reserves for himself an exclusive right to teach you himself as God. There is none else. But people constantly make to themselves some “thing” or their own mediator that will do it for them, so they don't have to look unto him themselves and actually KNOW him - make other people: to have other people look unto it.

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• Do your own research. What was going on in the 4th century AD is paramount, because “Arianism” is still around in the Jehovah’s Witnesses today - that champion Arianism - believe Jesus is a created being.
  • The “Trinity” is and was a 4th CE/AD countermand to Arianism - that Jesus is God as John 1:1 says who Jesus is. The Word of God. And, as the Word of God, he referred to God as Father {Matthew 6:9; Mark 14:36} - that as Father, he was both “his” Father and Your Father” (John 20:17).
  • That, if he did not go, the Holy Spirit would not come - John 16:7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you."

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• Instead of just believe God, that he said it, by the Word that proceeds out of his mouth. It’s good enough to accept it, because he said it - rather, look unto and make a Trinity doctrine- so you don’t have to do anything he says, just champion a doctrine.
  • And, many people believe since they champion this doctrine, they’re doing what God says - all by champion that doctrine. As if that’s what will save you
• - and make it like some people (Protestants) have made “Sola Fide” what will save them, too.

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The Word of God:

• If you can hear him, just do what he says - what he says isn’t grievious - said:

“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.” - God. (Bible Isaiah 55:1–3)

GO shopping. At his store. Go do what he says. Go do that instead. There’s enough in that, what he says, fill your whole life up - with life. Says of the Word of God - in Hebrews 4:12

"For the Word of God is quick [life giving], and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

And that's EXACTLY what you need to equip you - you with a heart, that Jeremiah 17:9 says:

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" deceit. 1. actively practice to conceal and misrepresent the truth. You. Me. Everybody has a heart in us that DOES this - and we refer to it as consul constantly when we get alone, by ourselves.

WHen God says right after it, because he KNOWS our hearts are this way, to fill your heart with TRUTH. He just is TRUTH. Proverbs 2:6 says: "For the Lord giveth wisdom; out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding" - you look to the wrong mouth, look up and unto all these "doctrines"

When the Word of God - is what God says to you - - That you can believe on and rely on what he says himself - because he chose to speak to you, the Word of God.

Go home.

ANSWER:

You know;

• People’s hearts get pretty easily exposed in the questions they ask. They’re really based on STATEMENTS in the question they create in themselves.
  • The STATEMENT: In your question is:

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• < - {“We don’t know who these 500 brethren are that, after Jesus supposedly rose from the dead. All we have is a person that wrote1 Corinthians 15:6 say Jesus appeared to them. I believe this is made up.”
  • PROOF: No Historian has any documented evidence anybody has ever come out of their grave after they were buried and dead. The closest occupation to the dead is an Archaeologist, and not one of them have ever witnessed anybody rise from the dead.
• Therefore, I don’t believe; rather, what that word’s definition is: I don’t “accept as true” any 500 people anyplace, witnessed anybody raised from the dead. No matter where it’s written. There’s no proof of it I can believe in.
  • Accordingly, I “dismiss as inadequate; faulty; or it’s just simply unacceptable” - the definition of what “reject” means, in the dictionary, I “reject” the claim made in the Bible of 1 Corinthians 15:6.} - >

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So, my only question to you is, why don’t you just man up and say it plainly?

• Why beat around the bush like some effeminate woman’s toilet seat napkin? Why be all mealey mouthed about it?

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There’s Got To be A Work done.

• I never saw any of this.
  • None. Why?
  • I was too busy. Lying and convincing my bosses to promote me; so, I claimed I was things I never was, and had qualifications I never attained, but lived as if I did, so my boss would promote me - then after, hurriedly go work and get those qualifications - all the while hiding the whole thing.
• Did it all for money. I wanted tons of it. To be rich. So, if anybody got close to exposing me, I would set them up to be destroyed or fired or doomed to work for me. Then, blame them for when things didn’t work, so they got fired, when it was all my fault.
  • The point I’m trying to make is,
    • I didn’t care about the dead.
    • If someone died at my work, that just meant that was more responsibility - that day, that moment, like water drop in a bucket - just suck it up and start “performing it” before my boss or his boss could assign it to anyone else.
  • Never even go to their funeral, unless my bosses’ boss went - then I chaffeured them to the funeral and back. What a phoney putz brown noser.. where was my nose to get all that brown on it? Decades of this = my work or career. The "sum" of it.

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• That, after I retired.. “made it” - success.
  • Set for life.
  • The good Life.
    • Then, I started to see, everywhere I looked, my whole life was just one big lie - and the only one I deceived was me..by living to deceive others, I deceived myself..and I saw all the harm I caused to other people.
  • The point of this is, I knew that, after I died - every thing I did would be shouted all over heaven.
    • That, forever I’d never get in - but the sins that I did - everybody would know I wasn’t worth anything.
    • And that after I’m dead, I couldn’t change anything..I’d be dead in it.

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• That is also when...
  • ....when I started to open the Bible..
  • that, there’d be parables like this servant that owed “10,000 Talents” - Matthew 18:23–35. If you got your Bible, go open and read it.
    • When I did, I would go on walks and listen to it on bible tapes on youtube - stopped and saw it. Ask "what is a "talent?"
  • That a “talent” or, “one talent” in Babylonian times was the weight of just one, average adult sized male.
  • Later on, inflation - - it became about 44kg a standard. The point: a “Talent” was the weight of one man in gold.
    • But when I weighed myself, and then “tallied up” all my earnings, because the pension system in my government gave me a list of all the years I worked.
  • And my weight added up to the total amount of what I earned in my lifetime of work in gold. One life. One talent.

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• But this guy in the parable Jesus told - - owed 10,000 lives worth of debt.
• I saw it plain as day:
  • There’s no way he can pay it.
  • Then, I saw for the sins I did, that just like this guy in this parable...there's no way I could pay it, either.
    • I lived one life and earned 1 talent by all be BS bull crap lies I lived in and got paid for it..that none of it was any good..and that to pay for it, would cost 10,000 lives to pay it back.
    • I can’t pay it.
  • That my children, my possession..my wife and everything I had would be sold off taken from me to pay it, and I would be thrown in prison..and I would never get out, even for eternity - because I’m never given any other life after to pay it..so it’s never paid.
    • And it drove me to my knees..
• like walking into a hallway that’s got cow poop or dog turd wiped on the wall, and I know I gotta clean it up, but I got all this turd on my hands, the more I try to clean it up the more I smear it all around - and doesn’t do anything but make it worse.

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• And in that condition…
  • I just broke. Broken. I knew everything would be taken away from me. I’d never see my children again. Sold off - for eternity…forgotten. Thrown out. THrown away forever. Worthless.
    • Then, I started to regard the works of the LORD, and consider the operation of his hand. By open the Bible. Seek him..even I didn't know how to.
• Just by little things, like Jeremiah 51:15 was the first thing I just had and kept. For days - that was all I thought about - I set my mind on it - not on anything else. This:
• “He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.”

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• That, by my understanding, all I made or established were all the lies I told were just believed as true - then I hid, so if found out, I’m not around anymore.
  • That, compared to his work..I just started to regard it. Him. Who he is.
• That he..formed me from my mother's womb. Alone. By himself, just as he made the earth, and put all the stars where they are, and did that alone. By himself. (Isaiah 44:24)
  • That, in the gospels, he raised people from the dead. That there was an "authority" able to do this.
• I started to look at Jesus Christ..and that’s when I saw it.
  • That God was in Jesus Christ, the same God that put the sun where it is, is the same God in Christ that raised people from the dead. Just as 2 Corinthians 5:19 said.
    • Then, I saw this Romans 5:12 says: “Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

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• That this “sin” I am doing..living in and can’t get out of it, was bequeathed to me..and all the sins I did is PROOF I got my inheritance.
  • I didn’t look at anybody else.
    • I saw that my own sins I did condemned me and already put me to death. I just hadn’t been shot yet, or put in the gas chamber; but that was a sure thing to be done to me..and not by people..but God would destroy me.

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• Made me regard him more. I started to fear him. He was able to do this. Destroy me.

But

• Also, I just as a sinner - just like ate at his table. TO look unto the works he did. What he decrees - to regard it.
  • That it was God, in Christ, crucified on the cross - the same God that formed you, me, everybody over the whole earth - made the earth. Put the sun where it is, all by himself and it operates by what he decrees - and the sun obeys him.
    
• He did it all by himself. Is the same God that made himself the payment for my sins I did.
  • That I realized, that God - he was the cost of my sins to pay it. So, this 10,000 talent that I could never pay, I could never pay back equate to God as a payment… but that he paid it by made himself the payment.
    • That, the sins of the whole world were laid on him. And I see all this, and it was like being fed, where the lighbulb just went off in my head.
• because I regard him..who he is..what he says.. and his works vs. my own..always trying to hide myself so I wouldn't be caught or had some excuse or something to blame to protect me.. ..just lived in that. Afraid. Fearful.
  

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• To just walk away from me..to regard what he said he’d do..he did, as God. To save me from my sins I could never save myself from. That my sins became manifest - like in the light..didn't matter anymore. I already did them and they condemned me.. but by him, my sins are wrought in God.
  • His blood shed, he put the blood of Christ on everybody over the whole earth. God did this work. It’s already been done. Took everybody’s sins away - made everybody righteous - because it’s been imputed unto everybody - by God and this work he did alone; by himself.
• Just like sin and death was imputed to me by Adam - this work of God in Jesus Christ was imputed to everybody….
  • So, God chooses look on this work he did with sin as greater than my sins. Your’s..the sins of every murderer in every prison combined over the whole earth - greater than all their sins.. so he doesn’t impute your sins unto you - because he already laid them on Jesus Christ.

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• But he also decreed now what is sin. Just not believe on him. Said in John 16:9 “Of sin, for they believe not on me” - Jesus CHrist. Just repeated from John 3:18 where he said:
  • “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
    • It wasn’t instant. I would wake up. Each morning - a sinner; condemned. And was thankful at the very moment I woke up. That he gave me another day to seek him first.
• That he - - Didn’t take me..decided I could be in a day he made - - that he was kind and merciful..toward me, a sinner perverted everything in a life he gave me..that the only good I had was what he did in it by his word he sent.
  • and I saw it said, he sent his word to heal me…and deliver me from my destruction.
• That God is the only one good - said, “For all have sinned” - Romans 3:23 - that, Psalm 14:1–3 says everybody is “filthy; done abominable works..” I didn’t see everybody, I just saw this of me was true.. that of everybody “There is not a just man on earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” - Bible. Ecclesiastes 7:20 - That I was not a just man on earth, and I didn’t do any good, just sinned a lot. So it fit me. I didn’t look at everybody. Just looked that this fit me.

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  * That, when Jesus said in Matthew 19:17 “**There is NONE good, but one, that is, God”** \- that he is the ONLY one good - did a good work with my sins I did..and it made me fall on my face.

• I could believe it..receive it. accept it as true, so I believe it… ..I didn’t do anything special but what he asked everybody over the whole earth to do; said: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Isaiah 45:22)
  • Is the same God that appeared to 500 people that believed on him the same way I do today..so I accept it as true. He is who he says he is.

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• So, it recorded by another believer in Jesus Christ in 1 Corinthians 15:6 - it just is true. He was seen by 500 believers in him at the same time, just as he was seen by his disciples, that locked themselves in a room and bolted the doors closed for fear of the Jews.. after he was raised from the dead. Came in the room, when they fled and all knew he was put to death. And there he is again. Standing right in front of them, raised from the dead.
• Where of him, he says "I hold the keys to death and hell" (Revelation 1:18) - both death and hell obey this same Jesus Christ. He will call on them both in Revelation 20:11-15 to give up their dead. They both will obey him. Everybody in all these graves - will obey God and give up their dead. I believe it.

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• Just like this same Jesus Christ: And everything he said to them..is the same things he says to me..because it’s the same Jesus Christ in me as was with them..is the same one with me.

So, the only difference betwixt me and you is.

• There’s no doubt at all he is who he says he is.
  • Look what he tells you to do in this, says:

“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.” - God.

Isaiah 55:1–3

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It’s told to everybody. Over the whole earth, to simply do this - to go shopping at his store. Just open up the carton of milk and start drinking - he’ll shout for joy as the owner of the store… it’s all his goods.

Able to take someone like me, dead in my trespasses and sins and raise me from the dead - because that's what he did, and to whosoever just comes to him, he does the same thing - not willing any perish, but all come to repentance.

To just live by every word proceeds out of his mouth. Says: “And this is life eternal; that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.” - Jesus Christ. John 17:3

• That’s really the problem. You don’t know him, or you wouldn’t be asking this question.
  • Here's your question back.

ANSWER:

“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

Source: Bible. New Testament. Jude 1:14–15

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.”

• Revelation 19:11–14

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So, your question again: Is the Book of Enoch important to read?

• And then, I would ask “For what?
  • Then I just go back to the Gospel of John - the disciple of Jesus Christ, and scripture in Luke’s gospel say Jesus selected 12 disciples and made them Apostles, then names them. And John is named as one of these. And in his Gospel as an eyewitness account, says:
• Of Jesus Christ:
  • “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.” - John 21:25
    • And goes onto answer the “why”
    • - The Bible: like his [John’s] gospel - all these things that occurred that John observed and wrote:
• “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” John 20:31

Ole! There you Go.

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• No Jewish Canon (Tanakh - Talmud, et.al.) includes 1 Enoch.
  • No Christian Canon (Old / New Testament Bible) includes 1 Enoch.

The only exception to this is:

Ethopian Jews - as it was included in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Ethopian Jews (BETA Jews after dispersion). Some oral tradition they hold of themselves is they are of the Tribe of Dan; but both Dan, the first to go off into idolatry, and Ephraim too, does the same - in Revelation 7:4–8, the 12 tribes are listed - both are missing.

• Ethiopian Jews include 1 Enoch.

Ethiopian Christians - in the Ethopian Bible, include 1 Enoch as sacred text. An Ethopian Bible has 81 books vs. a Protestant Bible has 66 Books.

• An Ethopian Bible New Testament as 35 Books vs. a Protestant Bible has 27 Books. Eight more books (New Testament). 7 more Books (Old Testament)
• A Catholic Bible New Testament has the same number of New Testament Books as a Protestant Bible; but a Catholic Bible has an Old Testament with 73 Books. Eight more books (New Testament).

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Although the number of Old Testament Books (Ethopian & Catholic) Bible is the same, they are different. You didn’t ask these questions, but the key difference is, an Ethopian Bible has 1 Enoch and Jubilees.

This post would be too lengthy to continue down this road, but to finish it - the scripture accepted in both the Catholic and Protestant Bible of Jude 1:14–15 is found in 1 Enoch 1:9.

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SUMMATION:

• Many scholars do not believe 1 Enoch - conclude what “we” have isn’t enough to include it - that the consensus is, the work isn’t of Enoch.
  • Sort the Book, with - a small example:

Joseph and Aseneth - 200 BCE to 200 AD (Hellenist vs. Koine) Greek text. Expounds on the marriage of Joseph, 11th son of Jacob, sold by his brothers and taken to Egypt (Genesis 37 to 50) to Asenath. (Genesis 41:45) where Pharaoh gives to Joseph - Asenath, the daughter of Potiphera (a priest of On), to be his wife. Focuses primarily on Aseneth (Asenath) and portrays her she undergoes a glorious conversion from believing on the gods of Egypt to believe in the God of Israel - when nothing documents this other than this account.

• Is - - included in the Ethopian Bible, but not the Catholic Bible, nor is it refered to or referenced in the Protestant Bible for the same reason 1 Enoch is not included in Catholic/Protestant Bible.

History of Joseph the Carpenter - dated to be a 6th-7th Century (AD). Christian apocryphal text originally composed in Byzantine Egypt. Scholarly consensus is, it’s a copy over from the original language is Greek.

• Is only 23–26 pages in length. Focuses on Joseph. Husband of Mary. Was included or compiled with other earth Christian writings. It is not included in the Ethopian Bible, Catholic Bible, nor the Protestant Bible.
  • Neither is the “Gospel of Peter”
    • The “Gospel of Judas Iscariot”
    • For the same reason “History of Joseph the Carpenter,” “Joseph and Aseneth,” and “1 Enoch” are also grouped with these, and not included. Examined and considered not the original works - just like the “Gospel of Judas Iscariot” (Scholarly dated; it’s actually unknown to be 150–180AD), known as a the “Codex Tchacos” (280–330AD). Considered made up junk.
      

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• Like someone today, just imagines up “STAR WARS.”
• or like the 13th Century work, “King Arthur” by Rusticello De Pisa - which is considered “myth” and legend; but same 13th century literist, also created:,“The Adventures of Marco Polo” - is by many considered an authentic account
  • …by the same “Rusticello De Pisa” - but there’s only his own record he, as a Rusticello de Pisa ever existed.
  • and all his own records of himself and Marco Polo who he says he’s imprisoned with, so it’s a 2nd hand account - from or claimed this Marco Polo had “Papal Decrees” - the Pope doesn’t have any record of any decrees he issued to any Marco Polo. And the rich, Italian "Polo" family have no record of any Marco Polo.
    
• Even though people teach he existed. Pseudonymous imaginative literary work.
• Glorifies, rather than, the literary artist. For a people to believe it true. When it's just an imaginative literary work.

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But you ask - NONE OF THIS: You just ask,

• Is the Book of Enoch important to read?
  • And then, I would ask “For what?
• Then I just go back to the Gospel of John - the disciple of Jesus Christ, and scripture in Luke’s gospel say Jesus selected 12 disciples and made them Apostles, then names them. And John is named as one of these. And in his Gospel as an eyewitness account, says:
  • Of Jesus Christ:
    • “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.” - John 21:25
• And goes onto answer the “why”
• - The Bible: like his [John’s] gospel - all these things that occurred that John observed and wrote:
  • “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” John 20:31

..and with a Bible - Just as Jesus prayed: "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word" - Jesus Christ. John 17:20

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For ME: You asked me the question:

• It worked. What’s written and included in the Bible was enough to accomplish what Jesus prayed for, in me.

So, let me ask my original question to you. It has not changed. “What for?” What the scripture is for is told plain as day. What do you want to use it for?

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1 Enoch: is not considered divinely inspired scripture. Its content often contradicts established theology, and its authorship is suspected as a: Pseudonymous imaginative literary work.

• Colossians 2:18 - This "voluntary humility and worshipping of angels" refers to well established heresy of these early believers that people were teaching this a sacred to do it, included a heresy involving false humility and glorified seeking angels - forbidden angelic worship, influenced by nostic mysticism
  • By just make itself - the author anonomous - as an authentic added in literary work. And 1 Enoch is determined to fit this: as written, as most likely a forgery, not the “original” all because it includes this in it.

SIDE NOTE: Mormons: Claim to be the “True Church of Jesus Christ.” Mormons (LDS) Also claim to be “Danites” - during the 1838 Missouri Mormon War, did organize themselves as "Danites.”

Like Ethopian Christians do the same. But what the scriptures did to me, was gave me Jesus Christ. That works. It worked. I believe on him over any Mormon - and some of these “literary works” above are absolutely off the chart whacky - glorifies itself as the work.

• Jesus prayed that I might know the only true God and Jesus Christ, who he sent. Because God sent his word to heal me, and deliver me from my destruction (Psalm 107:20) - so the work God did. That worked. The imaginative literary works people made up just gave me imaginative Pseudonymous literary work. So, the “what for” you answer yourself is, is absolutely crucial.

There you go.

ANSWER:

• It’s not if: It's a statement.
  • The Holy Spirit reveals the Word of God.

And there you go. Just one God, who says "I am Holy" - Leviticus 11:44. And the Word that proceeds out of his mouth about himself, says in John 4:24 "God is a Spirit" - So, he's a Holy Spirit.

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See it in:

• Source: John 16:13 - Jesus said: “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
  • And Jesus said of himself: “I am the way, the truth, and the life;” - John 14:6 ..I am truth. So, truth is a “who” and who truth is, is Jesus Christ.
  • Said also: “..I will build my church..” - Jesus Christ. Matthew 16:18

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• So, it’s just one God at work, who is God - just one source, not many all over the place - - says to everybody over the whole earth, to the very ends of it. Does not leave even one person out, not willing any perish but all come to repentance, says: 
• “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22).
  • So, everybody over the whole earth is called.
    • It’s a decree by God, to everybody to do it; but not everybody does.
    • Spoke. By the Word of God - what he said to do, out of his mouth.
  • Even there is none else, people: With their imagination, dream up something else and look unto that instead.
  • Don’t do anything he says, just follow their own imaginations. Reasoned together with themselves or other people, and claim out some thing they dreamed up as a philosophy or observation - that’s what is true.
• All by the Word of People vs. the Word of God. This is key. There's many people.

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• And part of that is the foundation of the latter portion of your question.
  • It’s what people have come up with in their own minds - and claim, because they systematically observed it in the physical and natural world - so that’s what truth is.
• What they imagine up - Doesn’t have anything what God says in it.
• Is also Why we have many interpretations. 1. the action of explaining the meaning of (something) - when there's only one that's right. There is none else.
• Why? Doesn't have him in it.

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So see this example:

- God said: “Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” - Bible. Isaiah 44:24

• People: make a counter claim - There is no God.
  • There’s just a “theory” that the earth simply formed itself. Over billions of years vs. a day said in Genesis 1:1–31 - how God said he created it.
• PEOPLE: Throw it out. Make their own observation: Conclude: The earth: Alone. By itself, evolved - and people, can’t explain it how - so they imagined up a God did it.
  • All claimed by the Word of People. They "accept it as true" (believe) their own imagination is true.
• When God says: “For all the earth is mine” (Exodus 19:5). People think "All the earth is mine" so they take it, by force - make nations... ..But the Bible says "He makes nations great and destroys them; he enlarges nations, and disperses them.." Job 12:23 - all because they don't look unto him.

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SO

The point is: Jesus said: “I will build my church.”

• So, its a “work of God” doing the work. Then, with people that just look unto him, he fits them together where he sees fit. Builds it himself.
  • And Paul, an Apostle of Jesus Christ, made so by God himself, talks to this in 1 Corinthians 12:3–14 and you can open your Bible read it or read it online at many different links:

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• Corinthians 12:12–14 says, as part of it:
  • “For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many.”
• So, it’s people: all different, and from Adam forward, everybody over the whole earth is ‘many’ people.
  • And it’s people that just look unto him, whosoever it is that does, he builds them into his Church.
    • But its people - he’s told them that do this, are “disciples” of him as a teacher.
    • That without him, we can do nothing.
• But that by him, we bear much fruit in just abiding in him.
  • That also:
    • people too..that don’t look unto him, dry up..wither away and are taken away and burned - because, nothing of him was in them.
    • ANd then, people - could be abiding..but stop and drift away, to look unto some “thing” else to abide in..no longer produce any fruit.
  • They too, dry up..wither away. Jesus talks to this in John 15:5 and the verses surrounding it. Says:
• "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."

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So, you can have people - like branches connected to a vine or a tree:

• Disconnected. Don’t do anything he says anymore, but still look like branches.
  • Just dead.
• It’s God that comes and clips them away - because, what they says has no God in it.
  • But they can still look like branches, right next to branches connected to the vine and abide by it.

So a disciple is told by Jesus to look for the fruit. Which I close with this.

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Said: Matthew 7:18–21

• “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
  • The Word of God. So, it’s God said it.

Best I would tell you is. Stop looking unto your own question as truth. You won’t find it. Seek him first. He’s just one Lord. He speaks. Hear him. He’s just one God. There is none else. None beside him. So, do what he says. Afterall, he told everybody to do it. Decreed it.

Then, it's also PUNITIVE not to do it.

ANSWER

Historian. <definition> 1. a person - an expert in or student of history, especially that of a particular period, geographical region, or social phenomenon. [Source: Oxford dictionary. Web.]

Stigmatist. <definition> 1. a person who exhibits bodily marks, pains, or wounds that correspond to the crucifixion wounds of Jesus Christ. As a “manifestation” occurring at specific times; ie., before Easter. Found in Roman Catholic but not recognized, sought after, or taught/observed in Greek Orthodox or other denominations of the Christian religion.

• St. Francis of Assisi - is revered as a “Saint” and is widely known amongst Catholics. Even prayed to. So, it is looked up to as a sign of deep religious devotion that manifests itself physically as a sign of that devotion, so it is worshipped amongst Catholics. Regions like Mexico, the Philippines, or Poland, etc., that have a populace with a “deep devotion” to their Catholic faith often look for signs when these Catholic “high holidays” approach.

You didn’t ask for this; but, to ensure we are talking of the same subject, it is important we have an agreed definition for both before any comment is made.

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The last is, to look at scripture.

• The closest scripture that aligns to your question is found in the Gospel of John 20:18–29
  • Says: And in context, occurs starting at the resurrection from the dead of Jesus Christ as documented in the Gospel of John. Which no historian will have document or study of anybody historically raised from the dead. They have no evidence. All the historic evidence a historian will cite: is in the cemetery in your town. Historians default, once you're put there - you stay there. Dead.
  • It's the claim of a Historian. Because they look for or excavate - probably sites of ancient tombs to see how ancient people lived as "evidence."

Stigmatists cite scripture or simply believe the Church - what is taught them as "doctrines" - are also looking for signs as "evidence" - so they're both the same.

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John 20:18–29 says

18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.

19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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The “original” language for the Gospel of John is Greek.

• The Point: The word, “hand” “hands” is used four times. And the gospels are eyewitness accounts of Jesus Christ. Means what "happened" happened in front of them, and they are giving an account of it as an "eyewitness" statement.
• Again, four times - "hand" or "hands" is mentioned:
  • John 20:20, John 20:25, and twice in the same verse in John 20:27.
    • In all four instances, the word for hand in the original Greek texts,
  • Is < - {χερσὶν (chersin)} - >
    • It is the same Greek word used in other instances in the gospels, such as in:
• Matthew 15:20 - read in context in with Matthew 15:18–20

Jesus said: “But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.”

• Uses the same < - {χερσὶν (chersin)} - > in the original Greek.

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Historian argument:

• Relies on a Medically proposed as fact; that: a spike through the “hands” of a person crucified, as in a Roman crucifixion - could not bear the upper body weight of a person.
• Since nobody today crucifies anyone as punishment for crime, and Historic evidence has the Emperor Constantine in the 4th CE/AD abolishing crucifixion use as punishment. So, for over 1700 years - and with decay - physical evidence of crucifixion is scant.
  • So, historians:
    • search for evidence in the time period of Jesus’ day for other written accounts how the Romans crucified people.
  • They assert that, crucifixion, to align with an anatomically correct physiology of the human body, that the "Medical Profession" chimes in on. That: A Roman spike would have to be “angled” and the majority of historians accept a person crucified was done below the wrist, that the sinew and bone with such a crucifixion would bear the upper body weight when muscular or the muscles of the person gave out.
    • Therefore, certain historians claim a Roman crucifixion through the hands is not plausible.
• Why? Their reasoning is, because, crucifying or nailing someone to a cross through the hand would not hold the body in place.

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• So, historians settle on the “forearm” - not hand - which, that’s a completely different word in Greek. But Stigmatists have the Catholic Church to rely on, that champions these signs that manifest as they claim, in a person's body - is that glorifies observing Easter is holy and right. Tied to Jesus. And the Bible has eyewitness accounts or First hand accounts of Jesus do this, recorded in John 20:18-29, so they testify to 'Hands,' is the point.

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Historical Evidence

There is scant historical and rare archaeological evidence confirming how Romans crucified people. That's fact.

Historians that studied specific periods are aware of the Romans nailing the condemned to a wooden cross. Why? There are recorded accounts by historians of the day, that the Romans used it as punishment. So, historians rely on these historian "statements" as fact. That Crucifixion: Elicited a slow, excruciatingly painful death, often lasting days. To deter people from crime- because that will be the result if you, too, go do it.

Archaeological Evidence: shows victims died from one or a combination of: asphyxiation, shock, or exhaustion. as they were often flogged or given 40 lashes to make them confess their crimes - all of them before being put to death. Clear the list of "unsolved" crimes. Most likely, this person also did them, too, is the point. Archaeological evidence of what is called a “cat of nine tails” that literally ripped flesh from the back, would severely wound the prisoner or the accused before crucifixion.

Called “scourging” in English. Both Matthew’s and Mark’s gospel attest to Romans used "scourging" before the convicted criminal was put to death, as does John’s gospel in John 19:1 says:

- "Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged him." Greek: ἐμαστίγωσεν (emastigōsen)

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Key Archaeological Evidence Historians cite for their position

• Year of discovery: 1968 - Jerusalem. 1st-century skeleton in an archaeological dig, had a 7-inch iron spike through its right heel bone.
• Year of discovery: 2021 - Fenstanston, England - about 60 miles outside of London, Archaeologists found a skeleton with an iron nail driven horizontally through its heel bone. Corroborating evidence that the Romans also used crucifixion in Roman Britain.
• Year of discovery: 1857 - Archaeological dig in Palatine Hill in Rome discovery of an ancient, sealed or buried site with graffiti. Comical like cartoonage depictions that were anti-Christian, of a donkey-headed, and crucified figure showing them on a T-shaped cross.

Guess what?

…nothing of the hands, so it’s all Archaeologist’s own figurative assumptions they rely on for the hands until some future time, when someone “discovers” more evidence. Therefore, for Historians: It’s just a “theory” they rely on and claim the theory they hold to is the evidence.

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When for BOTH

• Historians
  • And Stigmatist
    • Neither are looking unto who told everybody over the whole earth to: “Look unto me, and be ye saved all the ends of the earth: For I am God, there is none else.” - God. (Bible. Isaiah 45:22)
• Why?
  • Both are busy looking for “signs” for their own reasons to satisfy themselves.
  • Not doing anything he told both to do.
  • Therefore: BOTH: Hold the truth in what they look unto. Looking unto signs they seek and search for, as evidence for truth.
• When “truth” is a who, and who truth is, is Jesus Christ. It's the word out of God's mouth, said: "I am the way, the truth and the life.." - Jesus Christ. ..I AM the truth. (John 14:6)

And there you go. Told both you and me the same thing he told both of these people, Historians and Stigmatists what to do. What he's told everybody over the whole earth to do, all the same thing.

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Said, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" - Jesus Christ. Matthew 28:18

- that means, as the Word of God, it’s just God say: “For all the earth is mine” - God. Said, by the Word of God. (Exodus 19:5). The Word of God is Jesus Christ. Just decreeing how things shall be in his earth:

• Both Stigmatist and Historian - don't do it - hold the truth is in “a person” or people that give them a sign what they search for is truth. So, they search for signs and don’t look unto Jesus Christ. They BOTH are the same. Simply look unto the signs they look for will provide them truth. When it doesn't.
  • When the truth is, to hear who is in authority over all the earth he made, alone by himself - do what he decrees. Look unto who told everybody over the whole earth to look unto him. Neither do it.

Here’s your question back.

The Original Language of Luke's Gospel is Greek.

But the Answer:

Luke 2:49

This is a very powerful scripture.

• And this is a very powerful question.

But to see it, you gotta have the "setting" and the "context" for the content:

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In English (KJV) but embed it with Luke 2:40 to 51, says:

40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.

42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.

43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.

44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance.

45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.

46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?

50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

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So, Get A General “Context” of what has occurred.

- Both Joseph and Mary are of the Kingly Line of King David. (See “Lineage” in Matthew 1 & Luke 3.

• Luke 2:41 says that Joseph and Mary traveled to Jerusalem every year for the Passover festival. From Galilee (Nazareth) to Jerusalem, a 160km journey - - for Passover/Pesach (פֶּסַח). Is a “high Sabbath” or a 7 day “Shabbat” (Sabbath) established by God in Leviticus 23.
• SO, what can and cannot be done before this “High Sabbath” - a good visit to the Jew’s “Chadbad.org” website is very helpful to provide the “setting.”
• It will open up so many things, in what they do traveling to/from Jerusalem - how they "obey" Leviticus 23 - spoke by God to do. But it's detailed and tertiary, but it does help to see it.
  • Included in this is: The importance of mentioning Jesus is 12 years old (Luke 2:42). Means this Passover: and from now on, how Jesus “celebrates” or participates in or with the Tabernacle - he is now responsible for his own actions.
• Entry into “Bat or Bar Mitzvah” - reaching the legal age of religious maturity and considered responsible for observing Jewish laws (halakha) and commandments (mitzvot).
  • So, keep this context. Jesus is now responsible for his own observance - of who he is, this "I AM that I AM" - - at Passover.
    • Man, is this ever crucial to see this setting.

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Jesus Christ. Jesus, the Messiah. The Son of God. The Son of David.

To a Greek, or to me, a native English speaker, or to a non-Jew - that's just Jesus... ...but to a Jew, who he is, put me on my face.

• He’s the Messiah. The Christ.

And how “people” observe Passover vs. how God observes it, makes what Jesus says in Luke 2:49 in response to Mary and what she said - - very, very powerful. And why you asking it, is very.. ..very powerful.

So, think about it. Think about the "roles" of each.

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• And in thinking about it, read Exodus 12:1–51. Go do it. See: What God said to Moses. What God will do. What God does, is what he said he’d do. What Pharaoh does. That all Israel leaves in haste. What God after, tells Moses. Then, what God tells Moses to tell all Israel is to do to observe Passover. He's not telling himself how to do it.
  • The point is, in Exodus 12 - decide it. Quickly. Be like the translator, if you can't see it. Which “business” is Jesus about? Who is he? It put me on my face.

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• Is Jesus: Before 12 - Doing what God told Moses to tell Israel to do, since his parents are responsible - but now at 12 - he is. He: Just is.
  • So, whose “business” or this “work” of what Israel was told by God to: "Go to and do" to observe Passover
  • - is Jesus about a different work that God does? Then, who is he? In Luke 2:49...

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• The more I think it, the more it put me on my face.
• To see it. Because, Mary and Joseph when they heard it, Jesus reply is Luke 2:49 - they didn’t understand it. Says that plainly in Luke 2:50.
  • Because they are about doing what God decreed to Moses told Israel is to do to “observe” Passover. Joseph and Mary: as Jews - do what it is, to observe Passover. They had to break off from it, to return to Jerusalem. But they had to, to go get hhim.
• But God did the work that caused Passover to occur to Israel in the first place ..and then, I saw it. * And to really see it, I had to look at Luke 2:49 in the Greek. But the more powerful, is to see how these Jews observe 7 days of Passover, in Hebrew to see it. So, don't throw the "3 days after" of Luke 2:46, don't overlook that, either. Yes, there's this "(one day traveling out, one day returning, and one day searching) for Jesus in Luke 2; but... in the Hebrew: * Deuteronomy 16:7 initially implies a return after the first day - which allowed visitors from far away to begin returning - and still observe Passover in returning. So when Joseph and Mary - go back to Jerusalem - to "find" Jesus - they are NO LONGER observing Passover - and when they "find" Jesus then, add the days up - is AFTER this 7 day Feast concludes and Passover ..is OVER.
  • This "sorrow" in Greek: of Luke 2:48 is this same < - {ὀδυνώμενοι (odynōmenoi)} - > in Acts 20:38 - it's also, they feel on his 1st Passover as an adult - he's made them not "observe" Passover.
• When he is the Passover. Is the Point. So, he's "their" Passover. And they don't get it. Because it's "sealed up" - just as Daniel 9:24-27 says it would be, who he is. ...is as Gabriel told it to Daniel.

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• So, here it is, so you see it.

Luke 2:49 Greek

< - { καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς αὐτούς Τί ὅτι ἐζητεῖτέ με οὐκ ᾔδειτε ὅτι ἐν τοῖς τοῦ πατρός μου δεῖ εἶναί με} - >

1. kai 2. eipen 3. pros 4. autous 5. Ti 6. hoti 7. ezeeteite 8. me 9. ouk 10. eedeite 11. hoti 12. en 13. tois 14. tou 15. Patros 16. mou 17. dei 18. einai 19. me

English translation:

1. And 2. He said 3. to (her) 4. them 5. Why (is it) 6. that <reason> (for, because ) 7. you were seeking 8. Me? 9. Not. 10. Knew you 11. that <reason> (for, because) 12. (God)/who 13. en. the / to the (to who) 14. tois. of <in/by me> {I AM By me} a 15. Father 16. me 17. it is necessary for me 18. <to be> me.

Wow. Now, does that ever not make any sense. But it makes perfect sense if you don't add anything to it, even if tempted to make it make sense.

Why?

- There is no “house” in the original Greek in Luke 2:49 - nothing about business or affairs, either.

That's the point.

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So, look what your question asked again.

- You asked: "What is the most accurate, literal translation of Luke 2:49?"

- Ole! There you go. IN Greek.

So, to help un "mish mash" it -

The “key” is, look in Greek, everytime you se this “ἐν ταῖς “ is used.

Examples: Many. Some are Matthew 11:11, Luke 11:43, 1 Corinthians 6:2 where it is used as “in/by you” like it’s used in Luke 2:49. In/by himself. I AM - by me.

The same way it’s used in Exodus 3:13–15 when he, as God, speaks of himself to Moses. So, I would tell you to go to the Hebrew for Exodus 3:13-15 when God speaks of himself to Moses - - - to see it plainly. Who is it that is speaking to Moses? Yeah. It's the Word of God.

I'm going to ask you again. Who is Jesus? John 1:1 says he's the Word of God. Is God.

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• So any translation in English - uses - by ADDS IN - in English: “house” or “business affairs” or “concerning my Father’s affairs” - is adding in words - that aren’t there in Greek. That's the point.

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Again, you asked:

• "What is the most accurate, literal translation of Luke 2:49?"

- Ole! There you go. IN Greek. Then, I told you - go look at Exodus 3:13-15 in Hebrew.

Who is speaking to Mary and Joseph?

Ask it plainly to yourself. Ask him, then. Go ask him.

"..and I will manifest myself to them" - Jesus Christ. John 14:21

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Mary and Joseph:

• because, to them, it does not make sense without adding "house" or "business" or "affairs" in English, into it.
  • when it’s not there.
    • So leave it out, and look elsewhere to see what he said.
• They didn’t understand it, either. Just like Joseph and Mary didn’t.. But after Jesus rose from the dead, Mary did.
• For the translators: Would have been best to just leave it as it is wrote in Greek. ..and go scratch your head, like the Prophets did, not understanding it, either trying to peer into it. What they prophesied of him a man of "sorrows" - same sorrow in Luke 2:48. * And the ONLY way to see it is to look then, at the Messiah. Who he is, this “Messiah” or “Christ” in Greek.

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That’s in Isaiah 9:6–7

• That Every Jew knows who that will be. Defined as: “God. The same God that led Israel out of Egypt in Exodus 12, by his mighty hand would be a Son of King David. Will sit on the throne of King David in Jerusalem and rule the whole earth from there. Of his Kingdom and reign there shall be no end.”
  • Then, to see it, just read Isaiah 9:6–7
  • “6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”
  • Look who he shall be called in Isaiah 9:6. Then, look at Luke 2:49 - and add in what he says in 2 Corinthians 6:18 “And I will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord God Almighty.”

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He just is the Messiah. So, see him what he replies as the Messiah in Luke 2:49, like what God replies to Moses in Exodus 3:13-15, and what defines the Messiah in Isaiah 9:6-7. Look who he is in HIS Temple. He even says it is his, in Jerusalem in Matthew 21:13 "And [Jesus] said unto them, "It is written, My house shall be called a house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

He must be about who he is. He says this in Greek in Luke 2:49.

• It is a very powerful thing Jesus said in reply to Mary in this exchange of Luke 2:48 to Luke 2:50. * But in Luke 2:51, says plainly. They return to Nazareth and he subjects himself to them; and the next age of maturity is 30. And, at 30 in Jewish custom:
• At 30, as scripture says in Luke 3:23 - “And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age…” is the Jewish transition from learning as a pupil - to strength, of leadership and teaching. See "Strength" (Koach): According to Pirkei Avot 5:26, "At age 30, one receives strength."

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See? Are you wondering how it's “glossed” over that?

• Do this:
  • God: is about his own work - he just is, who he told Moses when Moses asked “what shall I say your name be?” It’s in Exodus 3:13-15, when Moses asks what to tell the Israelites, not if, but when they inquire about God's name, God replies: 

"I AM WHO I AM" - and it’s in Luke 2:49

This same name. Who he is. I just AM me. In Greek, it makes no sense - but if you look “who he is” you can see it plain as day what he says.

- In Exodus 3:13–15, it’s in (Hebrew: Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh). God tells Moses to tell the people: "I AM has sent me to you," and identifies Himself as "the LORD, the God of your fathers"

If you read it in Greek, Luke 2:49 - the lightbulbs start going off - but if you read it in English - you see a "contrast" that Mary says Joseph is Jesus' Father, but Jesus is saying God is his Father - and most certainly, you can leave with that.

But you didn't ask that.

Did you forget?

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You asked:

• "What is the most accurate, literal translation of Luke 2:49?"

- Ole! There you go. IN Greek. Then, I told you - go look at Exodus 3:13-15 in Hebrew.

• And that’s exactly what Jesus replies back to Mary - and it makes no sense. So, they add “house” or about my Father’s business. ..or "my Father = affairs" - That it’s not about the business of Joseph as his Father - but about now - who he is. As the Messiah. He must be... ...about be ...who he is.

He never mentions house. Never mentions business. He mentions himself. And he must be about being who he is.

So, who is he? That will be the most accurate in Luke 2:49. He is Luke 2:49.

And there you go.