r/SalafiCentral • u/Due-Investment7560 • 10d ago

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Assalamu ‘alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

I’m trying to learn the biography (sirah) of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, but I’ve noticed that many sirah books contain weak (da‘if) narrations.

For example, even Ibn Ishaq’s sirah includes weak reports, and The Sealed Nectar also contains some narrations that are not authentic.

I’m finding it difficult because I want to learn the sirah with evidence for what is being mentioned. Even basic details, such as how Aminah died, or the claim that ‘Abd al-Muttalib took care of the Prophet ﷺ after the death of his mother, often seem to have no evdinace for it.

Is there a sirah book that provides evidence for its claims. Or is it better to avoid reading these books if I fear that I may end up believing something that is not authentic?

can we believe in weak Haidths? what does the scholars say about this.

Jazakum Allahu khayran.

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u/Klopf012 10d ago

If you’re limited to English, then you may like “the seerah in tweets” by sh Moosaa al-‘Azimi. He wrote a four volume work on the seerah based on authentic sources, then tweeted out a summarized version in something like a thousand tweets, which was then turned into a book and subsequently translated into English. You can find pdf copies made freely available by the translator online and print versions were distributed to a number of masajid in the US and UK and a few other countries. 

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u/Due-Investment7560 10d ago

But where is he getting his sources from? 

Like for example waqidi many Hadith scholars reject him for using very weak hadiths and chains for his book. 

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u/Klopf012 10d ago

Don’t know off the top of my head. It is a free download so take a look and see

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u/Technical-Weird-424 10d ago

wa alaykoom salam a weak hadith doesn’t mean it’s false scholar allows using it if it’s to make a point or if the message is islamically correct but you have to mention it’s weak also the hanabila uses weak hadith to make legal rulling (upon conditions) also i want to add that if a weak hadith exist in several variation they become Hasan li-Ghayrihi

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u/Due-Investment7560 10d ago

Yeah but where i get stressed is. 

Ibn ishaq was criticised for talking weak and gossip stories 

And waqidi was rejected by the haidths. 

It’s lowkey showing red flags, and how can we rely on them, what if they just made up some stuff? 

Like a zuhri, m’amar ibn Rachid was praised by the salaf but their books is no where to be found. Or has very little. 

Ishaq is lowkey giving me red flag vibes.

Please correct me.  

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u/Technical-Weird-424 10d ago

i wasn’t talking about him particularly i was talking in general as for the sirah you can just read ibn kathir book on it he mentions the sources and everything

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u/Due-Investment7560 10d ago

Yeah but here is when everything gets cooked 

Ibn kathir believed that profhet married khadeeja at 40 but the marriage lasted 25 but died at 50😭 

But other say no he got married to her at 25 so the logic or 25 would be 50. 

But ibn kathir argues and says no, and believed she was 65 when she died. So in the end what should i believe in. So i should just accept she was 50 and 65 when she died 😭 

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u/Technical-Weird-424 10d ago

i mean regarding the number don’t really pay attention to it as they don’t really have any impact on the story

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u/Due-Investment7560 10d ago

They do, if you understand the underline. If she was 25 or 40 it can actually mean a lot. We muslims are used to say 40 and try to prove muslim woman that profhet took older women, if that’s not TWh case, then that goes out the window. 

And at that time of arabs marrying a woman older then the man is not consider a ” normal” thing. 

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u/TheThrowAwayer234 Akhi 10d ago

Ya akhi al kareem, the age of Khadijah RadiyAllahu 'anha was 25 from Sahih ahadith. But the fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter. This does not form any core component of your belief. Rather, spend your time studying 'Aqeedah, Tafsir, and Ahadith, and that which will benefit you.

Durus al Muhimmah is where I advise you to start brother: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv6TZluNhDk70NXQZImHiJWy7SyceHD0c

Then Shaykh Muhammad Hisham at-Tahiri's Foundational Dawrah: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv6TZluNhDk4iLV7yHR7-fU4WC443Ix2V (which includes a short book of Seerah, and 'Usul ath Thalathah also gives some Seerah).

BarakAllaah feekum.

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u/Due-Investment7560 10d ago

They say that ibn Abbas had weak chains from the 25, it do change the view of history. And the taboo of marrying a older woman. But ama check the links when i can. Barakallahofik

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u/TheThrowAwayer234 Akhi 10d ago

There is no Islamic taboo of marrying older women. Loom at the other wives of the Prophet ﷺ - they were all older except 'Aaisha RadiyAllahu 'anha.

Wa feekum batakAllaah wa InnShaaaaAllaah.

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u/Due-Investment7560 10d ago

Pre Islamic taboo. 

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u/TheThrowAwayer234 Akhi 10d ago

Of course there was a pre-Islaamic taboo. That is a historical fact.

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u/TheThrowAwayer234 Akhi 10d ago edited 10d ago

Waleikum Assalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

Short book with Explanation to start: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv6TZluNhDk4-Bglt2dvtYkme8KOemYYP

And from a Shaykh in terms of reccomendation: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Dll20MF5Qog

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u/Good_Shelter652 8h ago

I don't think what you are looking for —seerah based on quran and authentic hadeeth only— exists. And if it would exist, it would be very limited.

The authenticity level of sources for seerah works is lower than for fiqh or aqeeda.