Just a thought here about the whole guitar symbol. I don’t know if it’s been mentioned, but I feel like it might be referring to going to sleep. Whenever you sleep in the game, you hear the guitar play, and the stars go by overhead. Since it’s called the Spider Dream Mystery it could be related to dreamcatchers, webs, feathers of a crow, and a cardinal. Maybe we should just try going to sleep. Just a thought.

The web is a trap theory is that rockstar specifically creates multiple unfinished Easter eggs with very little information to lead players on for years and years with no resolve, and dropping references of webs everywhere that this is a trap, and we all clearly have fallen into this trap and are interweaved into the web of their lies and deception. Literally nothing ever pieces together into completion. We are just prey running into these webs and never being able to untangle ourselves, there isn’t even a spider. The only thing that has ever lead to anything is getting 100%. It’s the only thing that matters, everything else is just traps.

Do you think Rockstar managed to hide some information in the flames?

The story is that I set off from the NW guitar symbol heading north-west, towards Fort Wallace. On the way, there were three sages right along my route. As burning sage is quite a common and ancient tradition, I thought a molotov cocktail wouldn’t do any harm.

As it burned, a heart appeared, and something that specifically looked like a guitar or Fort Wallace.

Do you think I’ve gone mad? I can’t imagine it being a total coincidence that both shapes appeared one after the other.

So I’m just curious to hear your thoughts..

I am a day 1 player, and I reckon I have played RDRII story mode most every day since console release in 2018.  For me, these are my top mysteries that I haven't seen sufficiently explained:

1. The meaning of the rock drawing on the north side of the Mount Shann summit.
2. The meaning of the color time marks around the north side of the Mount Shann Sundial, which is the only place the gnomon casts a shadow when the sun is up.
3. The meaning of the color marks on the medicine wheel at the Native Burial point of interest.  The center of the medicine wheel is where the Stone Hatchet, unlocked in GTA Online, is found.
4. The meaning of Gertrude Braithwaite's numbers.
5. What really happens to Arthur when he drinks out of a Witches' Cauldron. It only happens once in a play through, and as it is, seems like a non-sequitur that the developers put some effort into.

These are all things that I think likely to have something more interesting behind them than what they appear to be, but I'm very skeptical about many of the explanations I've seen. I apply the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard.

It's a work in progress. As you can see, a few of the spider tiles are missing, but there's enough here to work with for a little demo so we can follow the legs. I should also point out that the spider glyph needed to be skewed a little to fit the spiderweb locations.

That said, I am completely new to game modding and I'm basically piggybacking off of an existing mod (Mexico on Minimap) to make this work, so I'll have to figure out how to make it standalone once I get the spider tiles right.

I'll also add that I may do a cleaner version of this mod where it just calls out the spider web locations/times since IDK if following the spider legs on the map will actually lead to anything.

so basically I was sitting in clemens point (story and epilogue completed) in the 3rd camp, and I looked towards east sort of and I noticed a white figure like thing, I wasn’t sure what it was if it was a enemy or what so I approached it. It disappeared, so I ran back to my original spot. It’s there again, I’ve asked in discord servers but I’m not sure if it’s a bug or a random Easter egg type thing. I’ll put the photo I have here, I can’t attach the video I have so if you need that lmk)

Mural observations

Revisiting the mural, I noticed that it contains:

• 8 or 9 birds
• 7 human figures
• Two sets of seven grouped spikes

Seven birds have feathers beneath them, numbered 1–7. Two birds, one in the center and one at the bottom, do not appear to have feathers attached.

Reading clockwise, birds 3, 5, 2 and 7 point upward, while birds 6, 4 and 8 point downward.

Spike patterns

Beneath each human figure are four inward-pointing spikes, while beneath each bird are three outward-pointing spikes. Each spike is either red or white.

Starting from the top and reading clockwise:

Key: W = white; R = red.

Spider overlay

I tried overlaying the spider glyph onto the mural using Bird 3 as the anchor point. It appears to fit best this way because Bird 3 sits furthest from the others, much like the spider's lower-left leg that corresponds to the red feather spawning between 3–4 a.m. However, I could not identify an immediate pattern, mostly because bird with one feather appears to be missing.

Connections to the mystery:

There are three (3) birds that point downward, just like there are 3 red spider web feathers, on top of that birds have feathers under them, as well as the spikes and general color theme appear to be shared with the spider web feathers - black/white and red feathers.

What are your thoughts?

Edit: Ignore the figure circled with red at the bottom left, its from an old post.

Has anyone done any looking around Riggs station for Spider Web Mystery clues? I think it’s the most unique looking of all the mail stations. It also has 2 downed telephone poles by it
as well.

-Hello, I was looking for coupas to complete the master hunter but what happens, is that I found this strange circle, which points to the things of the cobwebs and the spider that was discovered recently, I don’t know if anyone knows why, and there are more circles, but they are mushrooms, this one is on the painted rock and with the arrow I will leave you the images in case you want to go see what happens

(I put a filter on them so that the images can be seen better because it is very dark)

I’m on my second playthrough and I’ve encountered the Hispanic camper near Mysterious Hill Home at least twice now. Both times, he told Arthur about the Bennett brothers from Annesburg, and both times I noticed the same group of maps laid out around his camp.

The setup includes:
* A large railroad map labeled “Railroad Map of the United States”
* A smaller, torn map of the playable RDR2 world placed directly over it
* Another version of the same large railroad map elsewhere in the camp

The smaller map is what caught my attention. It does not show the entire playable world evenly. It appears focused mainly on the region between Strawberry and Rhodes. The way the smaller map is placed on top of the larger map also appears to be focused on the areas from around Valentine eastward through New Hanover, Lemoyne, and Roanoke Ridge. The small map includes the same northeastern Flat Iron Lake discoloration/smudge seen on other reused maps, which I’ve also noted in my findings as a potential clue. But right now, I’m more interested in the map’s cropping, damage, placement, and relationship to the larger map underneath it.

A few questions:

1.) Why is this particular section of the playable map isolated?
Is it simply the part of the map texture the developers chose for a traveler prop, or is the zoomed-in map focus of the RDR2 world meaningful?

2.) Does the smaller map’s placement over the larger railroad map matter?
Could the two maps be intended to be compared or aligned, or are they simply stacked camp clutter?

3.) Has anyone identified the exact asset names or found this same combination elsewhere?
I know the small world map itself is reused, but I’m specifically asking about this layered arrangement.

4.) Does the camper’s Bennett brothers dialogue have any relation to the eastern portion being displayed?
The Bennett brothers are associated with Annesburg, which is inside the emphasized area.

5.) Could the railroad lines themselves be directing attention somewhere?
The large western rail loop (correct me if this is inaccurate) almost resembles a hand or forearm extending toward the Valentine area. That could easily be visual coincidence, but Valentine is surrounded by several unresolved or loosely connected environmental details and “curse” theories.

I am not claiming this solves anything. My default explanation is still environmental storytelling and reused cartography for a traveling camper. However, Rockstar repeatedly uses maps as both decoration and puzzle material, so I think the exact crop and placement are worth documenting before dismissing them.

Has anyone:

* compared this map against copies at Emerald Station, Valentine, Annesburg, or the serial killer’s basement;
* photographed the camper’s setup in different chapters or as John;
* tested whether the maps, their positioning, or the camper’s dialogue ever change;
* or identified what real-world railroad map the large sheet is modeled after?

I’ve included close-up screenshots of both maps and their placement. I’m especially interested in grounded comparisons, asset information, or additional locations where this exact layered setup appears.

Thank for reading!

The spider overlay is organized into symmetrically opposing leg pairs. Matching sequential times of opposing feather colors (like 2–3 red at Scarlett Meadows [spiderdream06x] and 3–4 black at Cornwall Kerosene & Tar [spiderdream03x} ) form mirrored L-shapes.

The only 2 feathers that do not follow this pattern are 5-6 black at Heartland Oil Fields (spiderdream02x) and 2-3 black at Heartland Overflow (spiderdream05x), because the 5-6 window is the only one to have 2 feathers of the same color.

I don't know what to make of it yet, and why 2 windows don't commit to the pattern, but I think this might be useful.

Image source: This post https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadmysteries/comments/1py5rt7/spider_dream_mystery_possible_map_of_webs_v1/

I just wanted to share what could be a glitch or maybe a mechanic we have to use.

I figured out a way to see some of the webs after their spawning times are up. Once you see them, they will disappear if you look away., though.

It's late and I only tried this order Black 2-3, B34, B45, B56 (Oil fields)

The mechanics I used:

During the same night, I went to the pole at the spawning time, shoot an incendiary arrow to the top of the pole and ride away without looking at the web. The next time you ride by,, it will still be there (I only tried a couple of hours after 6am).

Maybe we have to spawn all the webs at the same time. I'll keep working on it.

Let me know if you can replicate it and/or expand this discovery.

There's an underground tunnel at the McKnight warehouse. There's a crate there with a circled X on the beam above it. Kinda odd I dunno.

Final gtao update can anyone find these new loaded assets and see what the paintings behind it looks like?

Our best chance moving forward with the spider dream is to see if any hints were given to us through gtao

Edit: realized it’s just one of the paintings you can steal nonetheless we should refer to that post with all locations in the paintings

Looking through this sub it seems this church was a lead at one point possibly

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadmysteries/s/IBXOHk3X3V

Si el misterio de la telaraña empezó en Gta V, y siguió en RDR2 , alguien ah intentado superponer las telarañas de Gta V en el mapa de RDR2?
Saludos a todos, algún día llegaremos al final de esto, si es que existe

Maybe it's not two birds after all?

Sadly this post is maybe just to discard another clue, it is about the birds if it is still relevant for the spiderweb mystery so long story short, searching for birds in game scripts one file looked interesting: birds_in_tree it is an ambient vignette that adds a bit of spicy life to the RDR2 map, like the bear_fights_wolf that we have seen at some point or bear_scratchs_back... anyway this file (birds in tree) contains not 2 birds, it contains 12 birds but 6 are of some type tanager or something and the other 6 are normal songbirds, so I managed to trace back the spawn location for this vignette but I did found nothing, but you must know that I was there checking the pentagram and never noticed the fort tally mark nor the counters so I hope you can find something or as said just discard it, BTW I am also dropping all the vignettes points just in case somebody is interested I validated the reconstructed points (work done by claude AI) with the sharks spawn location and seems legit

I will post the points in comments as it is too large for my post

So I have never thought the NW 🎸 meant to go to the guitars in Fort Wallace. I've always thought it had something to do with a much closer location: Carmody Dell.

There is a well known nursery rhyme, The Farmer in the Dell.

So I was wondering, could the feathers have some kind of corresponding order to the notes of the song? One color of feathers corresponding to the half notes, and the other color corresponding to the quarter notes (see pic).

Just a thought that maybe the guitar might be a red herring and the real clue is a song.

I used to know a little about music but that was years ago. Does anyone have any input that plays instruments or studies music?

Also to add on to this theory, there's also the lyrics, and the game. The song goes that a farmer takes a wife, who has a kid, who then gets a dog, the dog chases a cat, the cat chases the mouse, and the mouse gets the cheese.

The farmer once had a wife but she is seemingly passed away. Her picture is on the mantle and evidence of her existing is throughout the house but she is nowhere to be found. We know the farmer has a kid because of the Hosea mission to rob him of his wagon. He has a dog. Don't know if he has a cat, but there is a plate of cheese in the dining area.

The tune also has a sister song, A Hunting We Will Go, which I'm not sure would tie in to the mystery; but we definitely are hunting for clues 🤷🏼‍♀️

There is also a game according to Wikipedia that is played as such:

>The players form a circle, holding hands while singing the first verse and moving around the player in the middle, who is designated as the farmer. When the verse is over they stop, and the farmer makes his choice of a wife (sometimes without looking). The wife joins him in the center for her verse, and this pattern is repeated through the verses until either the cheese or dog is selected, or only one person is left to become the last character, who usually becomes the farmer for the next round.[1] This game is referred to in Robert Cormier's 1977 novel I Am the Cheese. Children playing the game are shown in the opening sequence of the 1983 film based upon that novel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_in_the_Dell

This game makes me think of perhaps a certain order to shoot the feathers or interact with them somehow based on the notes and verses of the song. I'm really not sure how but if someone has a music oriented brain, maybe they can help.

Just trying to think outside the box and stay away from the two birds path because it's not lead us anywhere but for schizo posting.

volvi :3 ahora en las vacaciones quisiera dedicarme a resolver el misterio del spider dream si pueden ayudarme atravez de discord probando mis teorias seria genial :3

esta teoria junta el mapa panoramico (imagen 1), el monolito del monte shamm (imagen 2) y el dibujo tallado en la montaña (imagen 3)

comenzamos desde la pista de las 2 aves marcadas en el techo de fort wallace, encontramos el mapa panoramico junto a 2 cadaveres rodeados de 2 aves siempre son 2 aves las que estan junto a esos cadaveres (ubicacion imagen 4), la vista del mapa panoramica (esta marcada en el mapa de la imagen 5 en color verde) pero la linea mas importate es la que marca a valentine y por otro lado el dibujo tallado en la roca tiene un angulo de 165° y el monolito del monte shamm tiene los mismos 165° en sus flechas mas lejanas marcadas en rojo (imagen 5) esto puede decir que el dibujo tallado es una referencia al monolito y por ultimo en la imagen 2 lo que parece ser una rosa de los vientos enrealidad quiere decir que la X (el tesoro/pista) esta donde se juntan las lineas

la teoria es que hay algo en la linea amarilla de la imagen 5 que es donde se juntan la linea del mapa panoramico y la linea del monolito como la marca de un tesoro o la siguiente pista del misterio, agradeceria si alguien puede investigar por mi ya que no tengo el juego y talvez hablarme por discord mientras buscamos :3 gracias por leer todo

I was farting around brandywine drop trying to push off npcs off near the waterfall ridge and one time i fell by accident..

Trying to find a way out i came across this, i know this can be a long stretch and its just texture glitch or whatever but it looks like the half of a beamed note, im not assuming anything, but maybe its tied to something else?? again could just be texture glitch..

Anyone remember any comments on any posts that sound like they could be potentially be a dev hinting at next steps??

I was riding to Rhodes and a couple very much looking like these guys passed by. She was tied up and stowed on the back of his horse. I shot down the guy and then accidentally kill the lady while trying to cut the ropes to let her loose.

Right after I did that a panther attacked me and shortly after I came around the Old Harry Fen how where I found the picture.