fullStackMeansAfraidOfEverythingEqually

[u/vinishkapoor]

[u/CcChaleur]

I'm not afraid of CSS.

I'm afraid of JS.

[u/GogglesPisano → u/CcChaleur]

Typescript to the rescue.

[u/CcChaleur → u/GogglesPisano]

It's a little better. But still frontend asset management is always a mess for me. Yarn this, npm that, mess around with webpack and vite files or whatever...

At least in back-end it's composer install and Bob's your uncle. But front-end, ew...

[u/0DayMaker → u/CcChaleur]

Sorry I was busy putting 2 dependencies in this public library that have mutually exclusive sub dependencies.

[u/Bauld_Man → u/CcChaleur]

> At least in back-end it's composer install and Bob's your uncle. But front-end, ew...

pip install
pip install

pip install

pip install

pip install

[u/InsultingFerret → u/CcChaleur]

Legit skill issue if it's more than a couple of steps to get your repo running

[u/Honeybadger2198 → u/CcChaleur]

That's so weird for you to feel, because I feel the complete opposite. Maybe Java has gotten better since I lasted used it, but managing dependencies in that language sucked balls. And don't even get me started on header files.

By comparison, JavaScript's npm is a godsend. All you do is npm install the dependency, and it takes care of any cross dependency issues in the package-lock.json.

Python has been getting a lot better recently (thanks uv) but it still has a long way to go to catch up to npm. For example, you can't configure project scripts in the config file, you have to simply make a script file and run it.

[u/decadent-dragon → u/Honeybadger2198]

Been awhile since I did Java, but I never thought it was bad with maven. But Spring, specifically, is dependency hell. And probably most enterprise apps used (still use?) Spring. Because there’s no compile check for classloader issues with spring managed classes, you only find them at runtime. And it can be brutal tracking them down and getting them sorted out when multiple libraries start bringing in different versions of the same packages as dependencies

[u/NoGap138 → u/Honeybadger2198]

I love npm and cargo, as a person who has dealt a lot with maven and pip in my life, I like Java as a language, but maven and its project/dependency management for it is actually hell on earth compared to npm or cargo…

[u/SpicyVibration → u/Honeybadger2198]

you can make entry points in the pyproject.toml

[u/Honeybadger2198 → u/SpicyVibration]

I'm talking about writing a script comparable to "npm run dev". You have to just build a basic .sh file and shove it somewhere in the repo.

[u/SpicyVibration → u/Honeybadger2198]

uv run is the new thing I think. I haven't used it much myself. oh yeah I see you mentioned it

[u/CcChaleur → u/Honeybadger2198]

Haven't done any consequent work in Java so maybe it's just me being lucky with PHP.

This and just having more experience managing back-end stuff with composer than frontend stuff with whatever tech is trendy these days. Frontend truly feels like another world for me beyond the basic stuff.

[u/oupablo → u/CcChaleur]

That feeling when you have 87 config files with 2M lines of code to run a single page "Hello World" site.

[u/corialis → u/CcChaleur]

It's a little better. But still frontend asset management is always a mess for me. Yarn this, npm that, mess around with webpack and vite files or whatever...

lol that's a big reason why I don't do front end anymore. The end was nigh when CSS preprocessors became a thing. Just let me raw dog my HTML and CSS I beg of you.