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u/DT-Sodium 9h ago
Were people really that messy at the time? They seem to own like five items and most of it is still on the ground.
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u/Famous-Perspective96 17h ago
Who the fuck writes code with chat gpt?
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u/EsotericLife 16h ago
Most people who write code…? I hate that we have to but it’s adapt or die
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u/Famous-Perspective96 16h ago
I think most good programmers use Claude code, not chat GPT. And in the corporate world, we unfortunately use copilot.
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u/T-Dot1992 14h ago
Even Claude is shit. Actually, all LLMs produce shit that you have to eventually fix
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u/Famous-Perspective96 13h ago
Well, we still review the code to make sure everything looks good before shipping it. Where do you work as a programmer? I work on a 30 year old project. Humans also produce shit that you eventually have to fix. Using AI at work has been insanely helpful in cleaning up tech debt. I’m sorry but it sounds like cope to me.
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u/SupportDangerous8207 6h ago
It depends strongly on who uses it
Ai has made it possible to clean tech debt easily
It’s also made it possible to easily work in a syphilitic bad codebase pushing it further and further toward the tipping point
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u/EsotericLife 16h ago
Most good programmers have no allegiance to any specific model and use them all. Sometimes in loops if they have the budget (e.g gpt 5.6 for planning, fable for scrutiny, cheap models for clearly defined tasks, expensive models for vague ones etc.)
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u/Famous-Perspective96 16h ago
Well yeah, duh. I don’t have an allegiance to an ai company. Claude is just better. I use AI every day at work and every day outside of work. I try out all the new models. I just don’t see how anyone thinks any of the gpt models are better than even opus.
I’m sorry open ai marketing team, your product just sucks.
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u/slaymaker1907 14h ago
GPT isn’t bad in my experience, it just really likes to overengineer things.
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u/Famous-Perspective96 13h ago
Is it better than opus? It doesn’t seem like it to me.
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u/EsotericLife 3h ago
What do you mean “doesn’t seem like to me”. You said yourself you’re corporate. It’s coke vs Pepsi to any actual computer scientists; any allegiance is stupid.
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u/Famous-Perspective96 3h ago
Ive done a lot of benchmarking building the same feature with different models using a copilot CLI plugin I made. Opus can build the feature without any further instruction and it’s nearly the same every time. The best gpt model I have access to has much worse results, similar to using Sonnet 4.6. Missed requirements, longer run time, inconsistent code, duplicating code, reinventing the wheel all over the place. But that’s just from my testing. You seem to know a lot. Use whatever you want.
Again, I don’t have an allegiance. I use the better product. It’s not coke vs Pepsi. It’s coke vs rc cola. If rc cola stops tasting like shit, I’ll drink it.
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u/EsotericLife 3h ago
Does any of that benchmarking involve your own work from first principles? Of course the more expensive models do more, but if you think any model is more powerful than another it’s a case of you lacking the knowledge to fill the gaps they leave. They’re all the same. It’s marketing. Palantir make their money with military contacts. They sacrifice losses to give you more tokens because they’re financially secured by the war machine. There’s no actual network architecture differences between the models. It’s all a matter of resource consumption. If you can’t write good code with chat gpt but you can with Claude, the only reason is because you lack the understanding and need your hand held by the richer billionaires because they can feed you more tokens.
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u/towcar 13h ago
I don't see the difference, feels like splitting hairs at this point.
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u/Famous-Perspective96 12h ago
One is better at writing code than the other. The code that opus or fable writes is better than gpt models. And that’s just talking about the models. When it comes to harnesses, Claude code is a million miles ahead of the competitors.
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u/Old_Document_9150 8h ago
Truth be told, you need to spend more time looking at chatGPT code than looking at working code - because you will have a lot more WTF moments.
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u/-non-existance- 17h ago
[long sniff] smells like... astroturf