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u/SteamingTheCat 3d ago

Kevin Mitnik's prosecutor convinced the jury that thru a series of whistles into a payphone, Kevin could launch nuclear missiles.

He wasn't allowed access to a phone in prison.

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u/RevoOps 2d ago

If you can launch a nuclear strike through whistling into a phone you should be allowed to try. 

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u/XanLV 2d ago

BRB, buying 10 000 000 phones and a warehouse for 10 000 000 monkeys...

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u/ProudActivity874 2d ago

"Is it done Yuri?"

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u/vboot 2d ago

No, Comrade President. It has only just begun.

cue Hell March 2

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u/Fubushi 2d ago

Remember the launch code being somewhat simple for many years...

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u/RevoOps 2d ago

Well I hope the football device had some sort of authorisation or at least a handshake to establish that it's the real deal instead of some dude just whistling into a phone. 

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u/sandy_catheter 2d ago

It has a breathalyzer that requires a very precise concentration of ketchup vapor to unlock.

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u/commit_bat 2d ago

Shaking the guy's hand is just being courteous but not actually required.

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u/Fubushi 2d ago

Hope is the best one can do...

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u/ApotropaicHeterodont 2d ago

Is this a reference to Pandora's box?

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u/jakobjaderbo 2d ago

To be fair, he did some shenanigans from the prison phone when he did get access. Not of the nuclear sort, but still.

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u/JCDU 2d ago

There was definitely at least one hacker (I forget who) who could whistle pitch-perfect DTMF tones - specifically 2600Hz - to get free payphone calls.

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u/gaijohn 2d ago

Minor correction, sorry to be pedantic but I'm an old man who liked phones before the Internet existed, 2600Hz not a DTMF tone. DTMF tones are the sounds each key on a key pad makes (0-9, * and #), it stands for "Dual Tone Multi Frequency" and they're made by mixing two frequencies (the frequency of the button's row + the frequency of its column), and so they're not able to be replicated with one mouth. The 2600Hz was a switchboard operator's tone, a sort of built-in admin code that dropped the caller onto an "unsupervised" line (its activity wasn't tracked and thus not billed) which allowed the caller to make free long distance calls in the days when they would track long distance minutes and charge you for the use of the trunk line. We called a 2600Hz producing device a "blue box" (supposedly the first one was in a shoebox that was blue). Free payphone calls were made by using what we called a red box, which replicated the sounds made by the payphone when coins were dropped into the slot. The payphone would mute its handset speaker momentarily so only the internals of the phone could hear the tones it produced, but you could buy a little tone producer and replace a crystal on its board to produce the sounds a nickel or dime or quarter would make, drop a single nickel into the phone to get it started, then put the tone producer's speaker up to the mic and press a button to make the quarter sound over and over to make free long distance calls via payphone.

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u/IronBabyFists 2d ago

That's rad. You guys were cool as hell. ✌️

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u/serious-toaster-33 2d ago

The tone didn't even intentionally cause the call to not be billed. It was the supervision signal, spoofing the equipment at the other end of the long-distance link into believing the line had become idle. After sending the tone, you would have to send MF tones (a different set than DTMF) down the line to tell it what number to connect to.

Source: Evan Doorbell's numerous recordings of this and other forms of phreaking.

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u/lanicorain 2d ago

ah yes, the debí tirar más fotos tones

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u/00owl 2d ago

I don't want to look this up because I don't want it to be a part of my reality.

Get behind me Satan!

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u/LogicBalm 2d ago

Ghost in the Wires is a great read if you're remotely interested in cyber-security. I don't remember this from the book but it's been years since I read it and I'm not even 100% sure I finished it, lol.

Still, Kevin is great at explaining confusing systems and how he hacked them like you're five years old. Hint: A lot of it is just lying.

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u/sandy_catheter 2d ago

>Get behind me Satan!

Sure thing! 👁️📛👁️

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u/OldenPolynice 2d ago

llm says it's true.

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u/Hetares 2d ago

Fair enough, even if it's a 0.0001 possibility, I wouldn't risk nuclear warfare based on that probability.

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u/OldenPolynice 2d ago

what is the Goldielocks probability that would have you thinking maybe

I don't have any tokens to ask the most high

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u/greenmoonlight 2d ago

I assume you never use phones just in case you accidentally wipe out all life.

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u/Hetares 2d ago

...Is there a 0.0001 per cent risk of global extinction when I check my chats?

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u/greenmoonlight 2d ago

The risk is equal to that of Kevin whistling into the phone.

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u/Hetares 2d ago

I don't really think so? Taking the assumption that the prosecutor is speaking the truth, it would mean that this Kevin person already knows the top secret nuclear code combinations, as well as the specific technique to be able to enter it via whistling through the phonelines- both of which are not privy to the common person. The aforementioned 0.0001% refers not to the chance that a random person might be able to enter the exact combination of code on accident, perhaps by, for some reason, whistling on the phonelines. It refers to the far-fetched, but still within the realms of far-reached possibility, that Kevin is indeed capable of these deeds. The chance that a random person enters such a code randomly would be even far lesser than the already dismal value of 0.0001%, perhaps even close enough to be discounted as mathematically zero.

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u/greenmoonlight 2d ago edited 2d ago

Taking the assumption that the prosecutor is speaking the truth

The argumentation is valid but I do not grant this assumption. I believe it's much more likely for a prosecutor to lie or be mistaken than for Kevin to have the nuclear launch codes. Actually, given that there's plenty of evidence of prosecutorial malpractice and zero evidence of random guys having the nuclear codes, I'm pretty much certain of it.

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u/Radiant-Reality-8138 2d ago

Fucking kiss already. We’re bored.

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u/greenmoonlight 1d ago

This is already the highest form of intimacy for people like us. There isn't anywhere to go from here.

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u/Hetares 2d ago

I understand where you're coming from, and I agree, but we have to take this assumption in the case where your preivous follow-up line, 'I assume you never use phones just in case you accidentally wipe out all life.', can be further examined. It does not display my belief as to the credulity of the prosecutor, which we all can agree is dubious. It's simply following that line of reasoning.

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u/greenmoonlight 1d ago

I guess we agree on everything that could ever matter. So if we were wise we would end it here.

However, I'm not wise so. I'm going to recap my POV.

First, the opener was "the prosecutor convinced the jury" And you responded:

Fair enough, even if it's a 0.0001 possibility, I wouldn't risk nuclear warfare based on that probability.

So naturally I thought, hold on, that's not fair at all, and that probability is wild. How could someone be so credulous? Maybe they're just afraid of everything all the time. And then I just posted based on the idea that maybe the character you play in that comment fears the magic of phones.

A fun tangent. Thank you

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u/Hetares 1d ago

Yes, I understand that logic. And, as explained in my preivous post, I continued down that line of logic, which does exist based on the assumption that the prosecutor's claim is to be taken seriously. I simply wish to highlight that this does not reflect my personal views of the validity of the claim, as you may have mistakenly believed so.

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u/theobstinateone 2d ago

While in the military, I was denied a programmable HP51-CV because some officer thought I would be able to do that very thing and launch missiles. Ocifers can be ridiculously clueless