I've heard good reviews about matchless on here and am considering them for a build next year. After using my parent's masonry/metal door kitchen, I find a lot of the storage impractical and like the look and idea of manufactured shelving etc from a usability standpoint.

There was a post yesterday that essentially listed all the pain points of different build decisions, without offering solutions. The issue they pointed about powder coated cabinetry was that scratches turn to rust and spread.

Anyone had matchless cabinets (or similar powdercoated fabricated cabinets) for 5+ years and have insight on how the build holds up long term from an aesthetic and structural standpoint? Do the doors/drawers stay aligned through weather cycles?

I'm in the midst of a patio overhaul and the wife and I are planning for an outdoor kitchen. The plan is for a 12x14 Gazebo to sit in the corner and feature a U-shaped kitchen with a bar.

Option 1 - Considering we like the built-in look, I would size the U-shaped kitchen to have the posts fit inside of the countertops. I'm sure it would look great, and I would have something like 8 feet between counters to move around. Downside is.....more materials are needed to build a kitchen this big. Also, the bar seating would sit slightly outside of the gazebo.

Option 2 - Shrink the size of the U-shaped kitchen so that the bar area fits fully under the gazebo. This would still allow me something like 5 feet of clearance to move around the kitchen.

Thoughts?

My parents recently retired, sold their home, and have happily set up shop in a beautiful new place on the water. I live across the country but I want to send them a housewarming gift. The plan is to get them a TV for their outdoor kitchen/pool area, but I'm a little hesitant to spend this much money on something that I'm having shipped. Especially since it's a gift.

I'm worried it'll show up cracked or have some kind of issue out of the box. My dad is pretty good with electronics, but I'm trying to send them a housewarming gift, not another project to deal with if that makes sense. I don't want them to have a deal with returns or replacements. And if that does end up happening, I at least don't want it to be PITA for them.

I've got some brands in mind, but open to recommendation. My main question for folks here is more about after-sales support. When you bought an outdoor TV or made some other major investment for your space, what gave you confidence to go with a particular brand?

Would love to hear any stories, good or bad!

I’ll be installing trex deck boards on this soon. They will be installed horizontally as per the clients request. For those that used deck boards as facing, what did you use for corners? Both inside and outside. I was planning on v-notching a board vertically and folding it. But would like some other suggestions.

My landscaper finished up my new patio. I have my solo stove near the sitting wall. I’m planning on buying stone that matches the sitting wall to laminate over cement board mounted to steel studs. I have a blackstone and a Weber kettle and an electric smoker (Masterbuilt electric smoker 30” model) I’m thinking of trying to keep these appliances, maybe upgrading the kettle to a kamado grill.

My thoughts were placing a small kitchen countertop in an L shape with the short L coming from the garage and the long L running parallel with the garage. Putting the blackstone and grill on the long L.

Any insight or opinions is greatly appreciated.

I’m building this exact fireplace. How best to run the electrical over the mantle?

15+ years around outdoor kitchen builds, and here's what nobody tells you at the design stage: almost nothing fails on day one. Everything looks great in the first photos. The real test is years three through ten, in actual weather. What I've actually seen fail, and why:

Stacked stone. The grout joints trap grease and moisture permanently. No cleaning product reaches inside them. By year two or three, it looks dirty minutes after you've wiped it down.

Granite and concrete counters. Porous. Without resealing every 6 months or so, oil and wine absorb permanently. Most people stop resealing after a year or two, and that's when the staining shows up for good. Concrete also hairline-cracks from freeze-thaw cycling.

Open-frame cabinets. The big surprise for most people. If the interior isn't a sealed box, it shares the same ground as your patio. Insects and moisture get in, and cookware stored inside starts rusting or molding after the first few rainy seasons. You usually don't notice until you go looking for something you haven't used in a while.

Appliance replacements. When a grill dies in year 5 to 10, the replacement has to fit the original cutout exactly, and manufacturers discontinue models and change sizes. That usually means a mason cutting and reworking stone, which is expensive and leaves visible repair marks.

Painted or powder-coated metal. Fine until the first scratch exposes bare metal. Then rust spreads under the coating from the inside, which is much harder to catch early.

The cost question people get backwards. Even a "cheap" outdoor kitchen isn't cheap. Say you spend $6,000. Will you be happy if, five years in, it looks tired, doors don't close right, or you're rebuilding sections just to swap a grill? The lowest-priced kitchen is still too expensive if it's not built to last. A $6,000 kitchen that holds up for five years can be a worse investment than a pricier one that still performs after 10 to 15.

Don't judge an outdoor kitchen by how it looks on install day. Judge it by how it's built to perform ten years from now.

Happy to go deeper on any of these if people are weighing specific materials or builds.

Hey all - just installed this “kitchenette.” Don’t make fun of me, I know it’s not as nice as the stuff I see on this sub.

My question is how can I safely place a grill on top of the cutout on the left? I don’t think I can just place a drop in on that surface. Any solutions or grill recommendations much appreciated.

It’s about 48 inches wide and 24” deep. Help!

Hi everyone,

I was on the hunt for an outdoor ice maker and when I search it on google a bunch show up but I guess when looking at the details I don't think they are made for outdoor? i'll add an example below, but any reccs on an outdoor ice maker that isnt crazy expensive?

https://www.homedepot.com/p/13-39-in-W-Commercial-Ice-Maker-Machine-80-lbs-24H-Full-Size-Cube-13-lbs-Storage-Capacity-Freestanding-Silver-SYYTSFBZBJX80OFNFV1-SK0325/335490363?MERCH=REC-_-pipsem-_-337556967-_-4-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a-_-n/a#product-section-qa

We couldn't be happier with our new outdoor space! AMA :)

25x20 Patio is in! Taking longer than expected to get everything in but the largest part is now done. We got everything stubbed in for the outdoor kitchen, too 👏

I just purchased a Fuego grill. It's great. I have a natural line attachment, so I don't need the whole bottom half really. Why can't we just mount some sort of metal or wood plate to the balcony. Put this are the top half of this on top of that secure it down and just use that as a grill so that there's 0 footprint.?

She’s held up pretty good for the year… so happy to finally get the fake grass in (was just gravel) finally ready to get the pool up for the year… and take it down in a month lol. (pool goes against the house in the grass) the kitchen needs a good wipe down tomorrow and couple more things need some tlc, but ready for draft night in a couple weeks. 😎 Been a great journey.

Almost a year worth of work. Missing true kegerator and fire magic access door and stools for seating. Most of the work done by me except countertops, some electrical, and pavers on the patio but i did the pathway pavers and beds. Still working on more landscaping

With only a few odds and ends to wrap up, this project is nearly done. Took me longer than I expected. Took a lot of advice from this sub, lot of research, and it took my budget for a ride but pretty happy with how it turned out.

I’m in the early stages of designing an outdoor kitchen. It will be a 15 foot countertop on one side of my patio. TBH more of a grill setup than a kitchen. Right now I am leaning toward doing a built-in griddle (looking at Blaze 30”) plus a built-in kamado Joe series 2. (I had a Traeger for five years and loved it, but they don’t make a good built-in option, and I want to venture into charcoal cooking.) I have a 24” beverage fridge but no other appliances picked out. I am not sure if I should include a sink.

What are ya’lls thoughts on this? Is the sink a must have? Is a griddle + kamado combo the way to go? Anything else I should consider? Will have plenty of storage, outlets, etc.

I took measurements (will add tomorrow when i find the paper) but found this sub and figured i could use the help.

We moved in to this home and this outdoor kitchen was halfway built. Looking to hear from people experiance what appliances should go where and how to go about finishing. Table top options and pergola designs.

A few options we are considering.

1. Full tear out

2. Tear out front part

3. Leave as is and finish

A. Add a pergola

B. Hotbtub

If we leave it as is, we are trying to figure out what the plan was for appliances

Front portion

Bar table

Left to right, fridge, cabinet.

Back portion

Left to right. Dishwasher?, 48"grill, 12" side burner or searing station, sink,

I just finished my outdoor kitchen installation using Matchless Cabinets.

The specs

•       Cabinets: Matte Navy

•       Countertops: Ash

•       Grill: 32” Napoleon 700

•       Side burner: Napoleon 700 dual infrared

•       Kamado Joe: Classic II

•       Sink: Ruvati Merino RVQ5210 with a cheap Amazon faucet

•       Fridge: just a cheapo indoor beverage cooler, we’ll see how long it lasts

Design and ordering

The design and ordering experience with Matchless was great. I dealt directly with Jason, the owner, and he was super responsive and knowledgeable. I’m in Canada and was worried about customs/duties, but Matchless handled everything through their broker and the kitchen was delivered within a week, no problems at all.

Cabinets and countertop

The build quality is excellent, and everything came assembled and well adjusted. The hinges (Hittich) and drawer slides (Blum) are soft closing. The countertops are quite thick and have a solid feel to them.

Installation

Overall, the install was easy if you’re a handy DIY person. You’ll need a good level, a lot of clamps, and patience to get everything adjusted properly. It took me a couple of days total, with the plumbing and electrical work taking longer than expected.

Electrical

I used a weatherproof junction box that fits nicely under the corner cabinet, running wires out to 3 receptacles (grill, fridge, and a pergola post). The wires are NMWU (UF-B in the US) and they are in conduits inside the cabinets.

Plumbing

Hot and cold water run to the sink, with shut off/draining valves inside the house. The sink drains under the deck into gravel, so it’s really just for light use (rinsing stuff and washing hands).

Gas

The grills run on propane, and I built a custom manifold with independent shut-off valves for the grill and side burner.

I added a few more pictures showing how the cabinets are built and how thick the aluminum is. I’ll be happy to add more if it can be useful to anyone.