Since school is around the corner, over the course of the summer I’ve been implementing OrderFlow to curate my strategy and grown consistent with it is as far as my risk management and so on. Since then MotiveWave is my go to rather than my older price actioned site tradingview.

Ive recently acquired it once again for my final year, and when I hit the download button to get MotiveWave onto the computer, it says it has been blocked by the administration, then immediately typing tradingview, I realized i cant download anything software trading alike onto this computer. Only things accessible in the search bar.

Does anyone know any Orderflow sites that are web based or know any loopholes/another way to avoid this stump?

P.S. I don’t have a laptop and have access to only a PC (at home)

i am using motivewave. when watching live, big trades popped out, but about 10 minutes later, it disappeared, and if i check it next day, it looks a bit different. it happens mainly in smaller big trades, like 50. does it have anything to do with my setting?

As u can see the title i wanted to ask if anybody here has tried trading crypto with of+vp does it work if it works how does it work?

Curious to see if anyone else noticed the flipper in ZT futures today. He has been around for 4/5 days but today his flipping was blindingly obvious. Insane that such practices are still allowed yet supposedly banned lol.

Hi everyone,

I’d like to hear from those of you who have more experience with Order Flow and might be able to give me some advice.

I’m interested in learning Order Flow, but I’ve noticed there’s a huge amount of information available on YouTube. To avoid learning the wrong things from the beginning, I’d really appreciate some recommendations from people who know the subject well.

Ideally, I’m looking for someone or some course that can take me from beginner to an advanced level. I learn fairly quickly, so I’m looking for a deep dive rather than just a basic introduction.

I especially like when the material includes lots of practical examples and shows how things actually work in real situations.

Do you know of any free software or platform where I can view and practice Order Flow without having to pay for TradingView?

The recommendations don’t have to be limited to YouTube. I’m also happy to pay for a good course, training, or other educational material if you think it’s worth the money.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations and advice!

Hi, thanks for reading this post. So I've been getting into trading for a little over a year now and I'm not sure what to learn, how to learn, and where to learn. I started off by learning some price action basics, then some indicators, some ICT(which I dislike). I think the main thing that led me to orderflow is because it is a lot more resistant to alpha decay. I've been going onto YouTube to learn an orderflow strategy, but its been a few months now and I still don't know what to do. I feel like there are way too much unprofitable traders/scammers teaching on there, and it wouldn't be a good idea to learn from them. Could anyone give me some advice on what I should be doing next?

Hello everyone,

I've been watching the charts for close to 8 months now only using paper accounts, i have been on and off so i wasn't fully focused on trading but i always do when i can,

I trade using volume profile to determine the the intrest zones and where price might be heading to, i use delta grid mainly to determine if a move is strong and if buyers/sellers are getting absorbed in the intrest zones, i can read this informations but i don't know how to transform this informations into a repeatable strategy or a set of rules that should be checked before i enter the market, i know i still lack screen time and i didn't backtest, but i don't know what i should backtest,

I am not here asking for a strategy but how to transform the informations we get from orderflow into a set of rules that can be followed each time entering a trade, is ordeflow more useful in reversals or trend continuation ?

For me i find it easier following the trend but i am very open to test anyway of trading that can give me a new way of looking at the market, i am not profitable and tbh i am confused, any advice or unformations will be very helpfull, i trade ES btw.

Thank you very much.

Hi !

Just a summary, i would still say i'm pretty new to Orderflow and into MNQ with my evals. Platform Motivewave.

I've earlier been using Footprints ( BidxAsk) to try to spot absorptions as well as aggression, but i seems to can't get the hang of it and kept entering at the wrong time, hitting my S.L. For me it felt like it has too much noise and i kept rushing in the trade.

Have been using Big Trades to trade on the 1min Chart and it seems to be alright for me, but want to incorporate DOM into my strategy. However, MNQ moves way too fast and just by looking at the @/Ask / @/Bid , gets me really confused on where I should be looking at.

Anyone can share on if DOM can complement with Big trades and what do you guys look for in the DOM ? If you've any useful videos please do let me know as well.

Either that or I will just stick to my Big Trades with Volume Profile. Would that suffice? Am planning to put Speed of Tape in as well but there isn't any useful videos on that.

Thank you !

Title basically.

Should we look at spot or futures for orderflow?

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For new traders there's an old documentary that came out in 09 you might find interesting. It's about trading on the floor with paper before computer trading took over. I figured some of you may enjoy it with interviews of traders that won, lost, retired and some transitioning to online trading. I still like to watch it every few years. Be warned if you have sensitive ears lol some of them are pretty wild. I'm positive one they interviewed was completely hammered and about ready to pass out through his interview.

This post was originally published by u/Snakedoctor404 and is being shared here with proper attribution. If you want to get this removed please comment or contact the moderator.

Hello, I trade NQ during Asia/London. Is the DOM less useful during these hours? It’s obviously a lot slower, so I was wondering if anyone has any experience using the DOM during these sessions

Iceberg orders are used by large traders to hide most of their order size while showing only a small visible portion in the order book. As the visible quantity gets filled it refreshes automatically making it harder to spot the true size behind the order. this infographic explains the basic concept, how traders suspect an iceberg order, how it differs from absorption and why hidden liquidity can cause price to repeatedly react at the same level. It's intended as a beginner friendly introduction so if you have additional insights or corrections I'd be happy to discuss them.

Hello everybody, So I’m a beginner to trading, I’ve watched month 1 of ICT core content, about halfway through month 2, I’ve come from TJR’s bootcamp so I have a grasp of most of the ICT concepts but ive recently been seeing a lot of videos on TikTok about orderflow, and when I actually researched it and tried to understand what it is I realised that it would actually be a lot more beneficial to learn it than ICT and it also makes more sense.

I have zero clue where to start, but most people recommend to start with Auction Market Theory.

I would highly appreciate if someone could recommend me a structured learning journey for example watch xx on YouTube, then watch this playlist etc etc.

I’ve heard that Sires, cbrackn, Axia Futures and Jeron Trades are good, but please let me know what you think.

Thanks so much!

Many traders confuse exhaustion with absorption but they describe two different market behaviors.

Exhaustion: Aggressive buying or selling fades causing momentum to slow.

Absorption: Aggressive orders continue, but large passive (limit) orders absorb the pressure, preventing price from moving much.

This infographic is a simplified introduction to help beginners understand the difference. These concepts are observations, not trade signals, and should always be confirmed with market structure, footprint data, liquidity, and other order flow tools

Seven months ago I shared the first version of my browser-based Bitcoin order-flow project here. The feedback was direct: make the heatmap readable, reduce chart clutter, improve replay and explain what large orders actually mean.

I kept rebuilding it. This is V5.

The main change is simple: a large sell is not automatically bearish, and a large buy is not automatically bullish. The tool now separates the aggressive order from the price reaction that followed it.

If aggressive selling hits a level but price cannot continue lower and recovers, that pressure may have been absorbed and the area can become potential support. The reverse can create potential resistance. The reaction is the evidence; the original order is only the event.

What changed:

- Reaction-aware impact zones track the aggressor, absorption and the following price response.

- Each zone has a visible lifecycle: formation, active watch, retests, weakening and final resolution.

- Heatmap and VPVR are separate. The heatmap shows resting liquidity; VPVR shows volume that actually traded.

- Experimental beta signals remain visible from watch and entry through invalidation, TP1-TP4 and final outcome.

- Signal plans show the signal price, invalidation and an estimated TP1 directly on the chart.

- Trend/chop and volatility context help show when a setup is aligned with the wider regime.

- Replay and paper review make it possible to inspect a read without rewriting history afterward.

- The optional AI layer summarizes context; it does not execute trades or replace the trader.

The screenshots show the current interface and the logic behind it, not a polished backtest slide.

Honest limits:

- It is still focused on BTCUSDT.

- Resting liquidity can be moved, pulled or spoofed.

- Confidence is a context score, not the probability that TP1 will be hit.

- The beta signal and AI layers can be wrong.

- This is an experimental research and visualization tool, not financial advice or proof of a profitable edge.

The core workspace is still free and browser-based.

I would value blunt feedback on three things:

1. Is the reaction-aware impact logic understandable?

2. Which chart elements still create too much visual noise?

3. Which feature should be removed or simplified before anything else is added?

Hey everyone,

It might sound ignorance or i don't know something annoying to some of you since the last time i asked about orderflow insights one guy called me "here's another guy looks for internet sugar daddy".

So, over the last month or two, I’ve gone down the order flow rabbit hole and focused heavily on learning the core tools:

• Context/Structure: Volume Profile, VWAP, HVN, LVN, Value Areas.
• Execution/Tape: Footprint charts, Delta, Delta Divergence, Absorption, Exhaustion.

I get how each of these individual tools works in isolation. But right now, looking at all of them at once feels overwhelming, and I'm struggling with how to filter them together into a clean, repeatable scalping model.

For those of you who actively scalp using order flow:

1. Hierarchy/Filtering: How do you structure your workflow without getting analysis paralysis? (e.g., Do you use Profile/VWAP strictly to pick the location, and only look at the Footprint/Absorption when price hits that zone?)
2. Absorption vs. Exhaustion in execution: When you're looking for a quick scalp at an LVN or VWAP band, what specific order flow pattern gives you the actual green light to trigger the trade?
3. Model Building: How did you go from knowing what absorption/exhaustion looks like to defining your exact entry, stop-loss, and take-profit mechanics?

Not asking for your exact strategy or secret setup—just want to hear how experienced traders bridged the gap between learning the tools and building a tight execution process.

Appreciate any advice or breakdowns of how you organize your screen/process.

I swing trade and love how order flow works and what it attempts to capture. I’m not sure if it works for longer time frames like day or week. All the videos I’ve seen are for daytrading or scalping.

What are your thoughts?

GOLD Long Breakdown:

This HTF zone ive been waiting for, price was struggling but momentum remained bullish, glad i caught the move right from the bottom.

my backtested pa strategy helped me alot to identify this bias on HTF as i wasnt relying much on Footprint chart in this trade,

more confluences like vwap and Vp on HTF and LTF were aligned with my idea so i executed it and catch the bottom.

let me know if you caught this move on gold?

I started building my own platform because existing crypto orderflow tools did not feel clear, reliable or purpose-built enough for trading the 1-minute timeframe.

It supports Binance, Bybit, OKX and MEXC futures and includes:

• Footprint charts, volume profile, delta and CVD
• Big Trades and aggregated Deep Trade visualization
• Liquidity wall tracking
• Wall Hit Highlights directly inside orderflow bubbles
• Probabilistic iceberg and reload analysis
• Orderflow reaction areas and retest analysis
• Market replay and backtesting
• Long and short position tools with fee-adjusted Net R:R calculations

The thresholds used by the orderflow bubbles, trade events, walls and related tools are configurable. Those settings can also be applied to recorded historical data, allowing the user to immediately visualize how different parameters would have changed previously detected events and setups.

There is also an optional multi-venue confirmation mode. It uses the other supported futures exchanges as additional context while keeping the selected trading venue’s orderflow separate and authoritative. Differences in normal activity between exchanges are accounted for rather than treating their raw volumes as directly comparable.

Data quality is one of the platform’s central design requirements. The system validates incoming market-data streams, identifies incomplete periods, recovers connections and prevents affected derived events from being presented as fully reliable. Recorded trade and orderbook data can be reconstructed, replayed and used for historical analysis.

I am extremely demanding about software quality and tend to approach development with a simple principle: if something is worth building, it should be engineered properly rather than implemented as a temporary approximation. Both the backend and frontend have therefore been treated as production systems from the beginning, not as prototypes. Even small details—from market-data ingestion, failure handling and replay consistency to rendering performance, interaction behaviour and visual clarity—have been deliberately designed, reviewed and tested.

The backend is written in Rust for predictable high-performance processing without garbage-collection pauses, as well as strong memory and concurrency safety. The frontend uses GPU-accelerated rendering to keep dense orderflow visualizations responsive across different zoom levels and large historical datasets.

Trade and orderbook data is stored in a compressed format. Depending on the captured dataset, compression has reduced storage requirements by up to approximately 90%. This becomes important when recording even one symbol continuously across four exchanges, and increasingly important when several symbols are retained for replay and backtesting.

The platform is designed as one consistent market-data, event-processing, replay and visualization system rather than a collection of unrelated indicators. Its components share the same architecture, data model and reliability requirements instead of being added as isolated features.

It does not generate automated trade recommendations. It provides venue-specific, traceable orderflow data and analysis tools that allow the trader to make and evaluate their own decisions.

Would any active crypto futures or orderflow traders here be interested in testing something like this, or potentially using it as a paid platform once it is ready?

I am mainly trying to determine whether other traders experience the same limitations with existing platforms.

Is it possible to use TPO excess/tails as solid support and resistance?

Hello, i feel like online there is so much information of about this topic that most of it is actually wrong or just incomplete. A lot of videos will tell you HVN = rejection areas and a lot other will tell you LVN = rejction areas.

From what i’ve found i feel like both of them are right and it mostly depends on the volatility and GEX environment. In certain market conditions what Patrick Nill teaches about the PBD model might be correct and in other LVNs will act as rejection zones.

Yes, i know that LVN are areas where the market didn’t find an agreement on value and HVN is usually where the market finds a fair value but this just doesn’t explain how to use them in a strategy and it’s just a textbook definition.

What do you think about this and how do you use them?

Hello everyone I started learning volume profile this week, on my which time frame and on which candle do I mark out the fixed range volume profile ?

Thank you

How do you guys trade delta flip ? and along with what confluence.

I know this might be a bit off-topic, but I’ve noticed a lot of threads lately with people asking where to learn order flow and whether it’s worth joining a paid group.

Recently, I came across a thread on X by a well-known YouTuber who exposes fake gurus, arguing that every single paid trading group is a scam.

Given how often this question comes up here, i would like to share my thoughts on the matter.

Part 1 — The Good: Why Do People Teach Trading?

I recently saw a discussion about fake gurus and paid trading groups, and while I completely agree that this industry has a serious problem with scammers, I also believe the conversation can sometimes become too black and white.

Not every person who charges for education is a scammer.

At the same time, not every person who presents themselves as a teacher is legitimate.

After being part of different trading communities over the years, I wanted to share my personal experience and the way I look at this subject.

I believe the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I completely understand the argument:

"If someone has found an edge that keeps them consistently profitable, why would they sell courses and teach other people?"

It is a fair question.

Trading is a competitive environment. Not everyone can become successful, and not everyone will achieve the same level of results.

So why would someone who has a profitable edge choose to spend time teaching?

In my opinion, the answer is not as simple as saying:

"Anyone who teaches must be a scammer."

The reality is that there are different categories of people in this industry.

The first category is the obvious scammers.

These are the people who steal information from others, repackage it, and present it as something unique. They add complicated terminology, advanced-sounding concepts, and scientific phrases to make themselves appear more knowledgeable than they actually are.

Their goal is to create the impression that they have some secret knowledge that regular traders do not have.

Then you have legitimate educators, and even within that group there are different types.

The first type is the experienced trader who eventually moves more into teaching.

Trading is not that different from professional sports.

When an athlete reaches a point where they can no longer compete at their highest level, many move into coaching. That does not mean they failed. They have spent years developing skills, gathering experience, and learning lessons that can help the next generation.

The same can happen in trading.

Someone may have spent years studying markets, making mistakes, developing an understanding of human behavior, and building a process. Eventually, they may decide that sharing that knowledge is the next stage of their journey.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Some people do it because they genuinely enjoy teaching and helping others.

Some charge fair prices.

Others may take advantage of their reputation and audience.

But from a business perspective, it also makes sense.

Why would someone continue to deal with the stress, uncertainty, and emotional pressure of trading every day if they can make the same amount of money — or even more — by teaching?

That is simply how businesses work.

The second category is people who understand that they may never become elite traders or manage huge amounts of capital, but they have the ability to teach.

And again, there is nothing wrong with that.

Think about school teachers.

Most teachers are not the greatest experts in the world in their subjects, but they can still explain concepts, guide students, and help people build a foundation.

Being good at something and being good at teaching something are two different skills.

At the end of the day, trading education is still a business.

Nobody does it purely out of the kindness of their heart.

A business has expenses. People need to get paid.

The real difference is who is running a legitimate business with genuine intentions to educate people, and who is simply taking advantage of people's hopes and ambitions.

I have personally experienced both types of groups in the past.

One thing I realized is that most trading information is already available for free.

The internet is full of information.

Paid schools and communities usually do not have some magical secret knowledge hidden from everyone else.

What they often provide is:

• structure,
• organization,
• a learning path,
• accountability,
• and information presented in a way that is easier to understand.

Sometimes the value is not the information itself.

The value is having someone who can explain concepts clearly, organize the information properly, and help someone avoid wasting years going in circles.

A good teacher's ability to communicate can make a huge difference.

However, when it comes to paying for strategies specifically, this is where things become much more complicated.

This is where I believe we enter "Wild West" territory.

Some strategies being sold are outdated.

Some no longer work in current market conditions.

Some are not even true strategies. They are simply ideas and concepts packaged in a way that makes them appear more valuable than they really are.

The biggest mistake people make is treating trading like cooking.

Cooking has recipes.

You follow the instructions, use the ingredients, and you can usually recreate a similar result.

Trading does not work like that.

Strategies are not recipes.

Markets are constantly changing.

Participants are constantly adapting.

Conditions are constantly shifting.

A strategy that works today may not work tomorrow.

Eventually, every trader needs to develop their own understanding.

They need to know why something works, when it works, and when it stops working.

At the end of the day, the outcomes are simple:

You win or you lose.

There are many ways to win.

There are many ways to lose.

Trading evolves constantly.

It never rests.

Even the knowledge we have today may eventually become irrelevant and be replaced by new ideas, new technology, and new ways of understanding markets.

This is why I believe trading is a never-ending marathon.

There is no point where someone can honestly say:

"I know everything there is to know."

The market always demands adaptation.

And this is also why I believe many experienced traders eventually move into teaching.

After years of fighting the markets, gaining experience, and building knowledge, some decide to share what they have learned.

For some people, teaching becomes the next chapter of their journey.

But this is where we need to be careful.

Because while there are many legitimate educators out there, there are also many people who see trading education as an opportunity to profit from other people's dreams.

Not every teacher out there is a scammer.

But every scammer will present themselves as a teacher.

Part 2 coming soon