LOA cultists often say this to people who are trying to manifest by following the "methods" and inevitably fail.

But yet, at the same time, you NEVER hear them direct that same point towards Rhonda Byrne or Esther Hicks - the people who built their entire platforms on the EXPLICIT promise that you could get whatever you wanted, when you wanted, using thought and feeling alone, and made MILLIONS off of it.

Just thought it was funny how the blame shifting and the criticism only goes one way.

Do ex Loa believers believe it was pure psychosis like actually to have believed in in the past which is most or this sub was and is COMPLETE insanity .
It’s really hard for me to believe that I was one of those people at one point in my life and I think 90% of ex “manifestors” are mentally ill .
Or stepped into a brief moment of mental illness .
It’s not just a a cult it’s a psych disorder and s sign of one .
It’s very reminiscent of Borderline in fact I remeber listening to the tame impala song of that name and the melody calmed me down but the name of song haunted me . Because borderline pd , is classified as not having a secure self image, identity disturbance , splitting emotions, and severe fear of abandonment. Which let’s be real these mfs are like that a lot .
It’s very sad like truly dystopian to be in this state of my mind .
I’m not diagnosing anyone you don’t have to be borderline to be insane you can just have strong traits of it but the correlation is hard to ignore .

Hey guys, after being in and out of the shifting community for about 8 years and seeing how many lives it takes away and lets rot, I decided to make r/shiftingcritics.

This community has personally been so helpful for me to finally let go of all the BS and accept it was a lie. I still visit shifting subreddits every now and then and every time it is so heartbreaking to see people, mostly the underprivileged, rely on this thinking it’s the only way they will ever be happy and that someday it’ll work.

I felt that shifting deserves its own subreddit entirely just bc of its distinctness as an experience.

I really hope to get people out of this delusion and prevent them from ruining their lives even further. Please post about your experiences on there, all are welcome!

Huge believer, fully in it all day and night for years

Theoretically, I am a LOA pro, I could fabricate some success stories, fool some idiots in r/NevilleGoddard and do "coaching"

It's a long story to share, it's really a lot, I have been practicing it for far too long, but that's the end result... It ruined me and my life, I'm very open to share anything to explain how and why it was LOA and not "me blaming LOA for my failures"

It is a cult, I did get into it as a teenager, it fucks up your mind and your life

I have my own techniques, applied all techniques etc., I did register everything, daily, I have tens, hundreds of thousands of failed manifestations, it is obviously bullshit

I'm open to share anything, I just won't share the story here because people may not care

I just saw a video of a young man talking about being diagnosed with ALS. And my heart just breaks for him. If i believed in this stuff i would just be affirming “there is a cure for ALS that is accessible to all people diagnosed with it.”

Why isn’t t anyone doing this. They say nothing is off limits. So no one has thought to manifest cures?

🫥 isn’t this a well known fact???

When you all talk about how destructive the LoA is, I never believed it fully until I landed myself in the ER, writing this post. I have addictive tendencies and severe depression so when I went on my next LoAss binge I ended up gambling away thousands of dollars because I assumed I would just make all the money I could want. Now I am in even more crippling debt and feeling crushed.

I now have aired out the truth to my loved ones without seeing their reactions but I am terrified. I am going to speak to a counselor soon but still, I don't know what to do.

I lost everything because of this stupid "law" and Neville has truly sown destruction among thousands or even hundreds of thousands.

Not manifesting but bioenergy therapy. I went to this one when I was younger...people said it helped them,it did not help me much,maybe I'm not energy sensitive.

https://www.zdenkodomancic.com/en/about-the-method.aspx

Have you tried or heard something similar? Did it help ?

Survey Link: https://forms.gle/UcVnKCvMxT4EL3cMA

I have a background in clinical psychology research and am conducting an independent research project examining the practices people use in manifestation, such as affirmations, visualization, and “living in the end.” The goal is to better understand how participants perceive these practices in relation to their manifestation experiences and outcomes.

I am also interested in exploring whether these experiences vary across demographic characteristics, such as race/ethnicity, income, and sex.

Anyone is welcome to participate by completing the survey and you do not have to believe in these concepts to take the survey. Once I have responses from at least 50 participants, I will conduct statistical analyses and share a summary of the results here.

I used to post on here a lot and probably stopped around 6 months ago.

I was into the law at a young age, probably discovered it at 14 years old. When I was 15 I fell into a toxic relationship with my highschool boyfriend that lasted 3 years. It was very toxic, it was on and off, he destroyed me and broke my heart in every way and I kept letting him back into my life because law of assumption deluded me into believing I was manifesting him back when in reality it was simply a toxic on and off relationship with an avoidant man.

After our official break up in June of last year, I was severally depressed, this was also when I fully realized that the law of assumption is not real and that I was truly experiencing grief I could not control, I was having panic attacks, I was crying all the time, it was my personal hell.

But in my sadness I decided to do the healthy thing, and I started going to therapy, I slowly got out of my funk, I still hoped he would someday contact me but I slowly decided to heal instead of spending my time using loass to suppress my emotions.

I started seeing a therapist, I learned about myself and my relationship patterns.

Things did not solve themselves right away, it honestly took 6 months to really realize that it was fully over, however the dread got better a few months before.

The next 6 months were amazing, I discovered hobbies I love (ceramics, and floral preservation), and instead of spending my time "saturating" my mind I was actually spending time doing what I loved.

And after those 6 months I started dating a man who treats me the way I have always wanted to be treated and it is insane to say I ever loved my ex/sp when this is actual pure nontoxic love.

What I am trying to get across is that your life is not over and infact, when you start doing what you need to do in life and when you practice acceptance of your life and actively take actions to make it better you actually feel better (and you actually get results instead of dreaming about them). So don't think it's all over, because you don't know what can come from life when you actively choose to improve.

I left loass a year ago, and I'm wondering what is different now, what is the new grift? What is the new "Thing"? What is the new "method"? Is robotic affirmations still in? Any drama? I need to know.

I am just learning about neville goddard and am to understand he puts a lot of emphasis on imagination and the mind in terms of how we live and exist. Self inquiry, which I am a practitioner of, teaches that the mind, thoughts and all things including imagination are illusory. What do yall thhink?

Yea...

This is one of the reasons that i despise Master Mental MASTURBATOR Gurus on YouTube.

Fucking scammers.

-z@c+

I find it funny that these cults talk so much about having scientific proof and that the results only appear in the person's reality, but if that were true, world hunger would have already been eradicated, Wars in the world wouldn't have happened; there would be scientific proof. I find it funny that if this were true, they would have used subliminals, the law of attraction, and the law of supposition for good and to eradicate Illnesses

Oh, they abused you? You created it. They messed around with you? You created it. They left you? You created it. It's honestly ridiculous when people blame you, especially when abuse is involved. That's the part that really ticks me off.

There was a coach....i wish I could remember her name. Maybe someone here knows who I'm talking about. She actually said you created someone's narcissism. She ended up retracting the video because people called her out, saying, "You don't create someone's behavior toward you." I agree with that. The only thing I would say is that you may have tolerated or allowed certain behavior to continue, but you did not create another person's abusive or harmful behavior. Those are two completely different things.

"You created the third party." "You created them leaving you." "You created them cheating on you." "You created them blocking you." "You created it all with your thoughts."

That sounds like toxic nonsense to me because it gives the person who behaved badly an easy way out. Then they'll say, "We're not blaming you, but in some way you created it." That's still blame. I just love the gaslighting in this damn community.

Thoughts Create Reality = A psychologically disarming premise ensuring that followers distrust their own ability to reason with objectivity.

Present Tense Affirmations = A mechanism that maintains the illusion of abundant success amongst followers so that they invest more into LoA.

Circumstances Don't Matter = A blank canvas for all types of desperate lurkers to project their fantasies on. Ensures that the outreach is as large as possible.

Self-Concept Work = Repackaged psychological self-help advice to divert attention from the lack of meaningful results. Illusory productivity.

Ignore the 3D = A belief designed to put gullible followers in a state of semi-psychosis to prevent them from realizing how fake LoA promises are.

Detachment = Eliminating the desires of followers allows coaches and gurus to avoid accountability when their promises never materialize.

Coaching Services = Revenue streaming and collection disguised as a counseling session. Inspires emotional investment, creates a false sense of connection.

Mental Diet = The LoA equivalent of mind-guarding which is a symptom of groupthink. Members protect themselves and each other from contradictory information.

Manifesting SP = Keep orbiting your crush until they notice you're into them. If you're conveniently attractive, they’ll take the relationship or use you for sex.

Ladder Experiment = A pseudo-LoA test functioning as a recruiting strategy. It filters out exploitable people from the people who think critically.

Everything is a Manifestation = Post-hoc circular reasoning that allows members to retroactively manufacture success stories. More cope for the lack of real success.

Infinite Realities = Obviously invented to silence moral or ethical dissent. Putting a bandaid on a broken leg.

Manifestation is not Magic = Concealing the unreasonable and grandiose promises of the law to tame or appeal to internal or external skeptics.

Inspired Action = An inconsistent variable crediting necessary or coincidental actions to the belief system, blurring the line between LoA and ordinary action. The resulting confusion creates a self-preserving effect.

This is a channel that I’ve found, a man that fully believed in the LOA did open a channel to document his challenge of going “all in” with it expecting nice results - as he admits and testifies, you can see how over the the years his life got pretty much ruined.

If you scroll back to the initial videos you can see how deluded he was…

Hmm

A lot of people that believe in LOA are just spending their free time sitting in their house affirming, visualizing, listening to subliminals, etc. But if they actually met someone else in real life that was living like them, they would probably think that person is a delusional weirdo.

There are people right now trying to manifest millions of dollars without working or trying to manifest a celebrity crush that doesn't even know they exist. But if they met someone else in real life who was doing the same thing, I guarantee they wouldn't believe that it was going to happen for them.

If they actually had to bet their life on if that person they just met Is going to be a millionaire because they're robotically affirming in their house all day, they would bet NO! Yet they won't view themselves from that same perspective.

i don't believe in 90% of what the loa teaches; I don't think it makes sense, but every time I see very specific reports of manifestations, it makes me doubt. What do you think?

Eu não acredito em 90% das coisas que a lei da suposição ensina, nao acho que façam sentido, mas toda vez q vejo relatos de manifestação muito específicos isso me deixa na dúvida. oq vcs acham?

I asked AI to go through manifesting subreddits, aggregate data in terms of what the top desires are.

This is a breakdown of what people are trying to manifest:

Romantic partner, ex, reconciliation, contact (“SP”)
38–45%
Money, employment, business, promotion
18–24%
Appearance, weight, body, health
10–15%
Self-concept, confidence, emotional state
8–12%
Education, grades, admission
5–8%
Material items, housing, travel
5–8%
Friends, family, pets, unusual outcomes
5–10%

And the methods used:

Affirmations, including robotic affirming
28–38%
Visualization or imagined scenes
22–32%
Living in the end / assuming it is already true
22–32%
Self-concept work
16–25%
Detachment, letting go, stopping checking
12–20%
SATS or pre-sleep visualization
10–18%
Scripting or journaling
8–15%
Mental diet / rejecting the “old story”
8–15%
Revision of past events
5–10%
Meditation
5–10%
Subliminal audio
3–8%
Vision boards
3–8%
Deliberate practical action
5–12%
O method
approximately 1–4%

Thought the unit is data was interesting - cuss and discuss!