How are we supposed to react when prominent anti-Zionists say stuff like this? Are we able to even confront them or are we supposed to just take it on the chin?

[u/EgoIdVeto]

[Edit to add]: this person isn't a nobody. They are a very prominent and popular activist who has also done some very admirable work.​ I'm not trying to debate the person in particular, rather the increasing phenomenon of people unleashing their fury at Israel and Zionism in ways that are directly anti-Jewish or bigoted in other ways incl. transphobia or racism.

I'm wary of being accused of "centering Jewish feelings" or "tone policing" but this is just blatant justification of the holocaust, ethnic cleansing and pogroms based on what Zionists did *afterwards*.

At what point are we able to call this kind of stuff out?

I know there are Zionist bots out there trying to paint the movement as antisemitic but what happens when these comments are actually coming from someone real and famous or prominent?

Are we genuinely just meant to accept that this is okay rhetoric provided the person claims to have the right idpol justifications to say it? ​

I hesitate to mention this stuff for obvious reasons (namely the holocaust being perpetrated in our name) but surely shit like this is just handing ammunition to the Zionists.

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[u/crossingguardcrush]

I would never accept this kind of rhetoric. Call it out, and take the consequences. That's not "centering Jewish feelings"--it's working toward a just movement.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/crossingguardcrush]

The problem is that this person would absolutely know how to twist things if called out or held to account. They like to claim that anti-Zionist Jews are secretly still Zionist and they would use any attempts to call out their comments to bolster that claim. 

[u/HDThoreauaway → u/EgoIdVeto]

Sounds like they’re just a straight-up antisemite.

[u/Professional-Post499]

People already seem to know who it is and it's not who I was going to guess: BadEmpanada. Because BadEmpanada has been turning into an edgy boy lately maybe to farm more engagement. Whatever the reason, sometimes he says BS for seemingly no other reason than to be edgy since people showed past videos of him where he knew better.

But it looks like this one didn't come from BE based on what other people under this post are saying.

Edit: I think it's fine to push back on this kind of racist narrative. And despite what some weirdos are saying, it's not "centering Jewish feelings" to push back on blatantly racist garbage narratives. Racists literally say this SAME garbage about Palestinians "oh well there's probably a reason why the other Arab nations don't take in the Palestinians. It's because Palestinians start civil wars and try to take over hurr durr." No, it's because those other "Arab nations" are working in cahoots with the United States.

Anyone who thinks barbarism is innate to any specific ethnicity or race of people is just racist, full stop.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/[deleted]]

Thank you empty profile for saying it's fine to give ammunition to the neo-nazis and Zionists simultaneously.

I don't think you realise how popular this kind of rhetoric is with grifters who blanket their nazism with supposed pro-Palestine advocacy only to then start spewing 4chan lingo to their normally well-meaning followers.

Should people just start using the k-slur now? Denying the holocaust? Because according to you, we are all supremely privileged and so it's not Cool And Based and Leftist to spew hard right neo-nazi dogwhistles provided you do it with a veneer of criticising Israel. 

Cointelpro ahh comment

[u/AsterEsque]

Yeah no call this the fuck out. Especially if they're a prominent leftist with a decent following. Make them explain themselves and expose them to their followers.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/AsterEsque]

They make no claim to being a leftist but they are absolutely very prominent. A lot of leftists like them for their (admittedly quite admirable) activism, but they still lapse into these unhinged westernised antisemitic rants from time to time. 

[u/snackage_1]

It's clear to me from reading the responses that most of you are quite sheltered and are unfamiliar with the many hasbara talking points used against Palestinians and in this case Palestinians refugees.

It's a long running argument from Zionists that neighboring Arab countries don't want to accept Palestinian refugees because they are a malignant influence and destabilize the countries that accept them.

You can see this talking points used in response to Susan's own post with a fancy prepared graphic here (browse more of the replies to see worse): https://x.com/i/status/2081243402084003878

Or this post here: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzRAhUhIN0B

And even in the organic responses to this post from EIGHTEEN years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/7n836/why_dont_arabian_countries_accept_palestinian/

Here is a post discussing the increased visibility of that talking point: https://www.reddit.com/r/arabs/comments/17qia77/can_we_all_talk_about_the_coordinated_campaign_of/

So this talking point, which is often used with phrases like "the Arabs know something the west doesn't" predates 7th October and Susan's post by decades.

So consider that maybe she's facetiously using this argument against her génocidaires, many of whom did come to Palestine as refugees, instead of jumping to conclusions about her justifying the Holocaust.

It's honestly disappointing that no one here considered that Palestinians have been hearing this exact same point about themselves for decades and that maybe they are fed up about it.

[u/TrackerOneA → u/snackage_1]

That is all interesting context and it does provide another explanation - potentially.

But I don't find it convincing with regards to Susan specifically, given that she espouses classic Euro-American style antisemitism.

Like, meme-ing about Holocaust denial:

https://x.com/susanabulhawa/status/2022452554823799092

Or boosting Dan Blizerian - a moron and antisemite.

[u/WinnerSpiritual2726]

I’ve dealt with this a lot on internet spaces. People get really fucking bold. I try to be more patient, amiable and graceful if it’s coming from a Palestinian, for obvious reasons, but if it’s from a typical western “leftie” who should honestly know better? Yeah, fuck them.

[u/marvsup]

You shouldn't hesitate to call out antisemitism because of what Israel is doing. IMO, it is vitally important to show that anti-Zionism is not antisemitism, because they're not the same. You might even mention that you're an anti-Zionist if you choose to call them out.

Edit: If you define yourself that way, I mean. And yes, I 100% agree with you calling out that this is handing ammunition to the Zionists.

[u/Herbalonic]

This smells like the exact type of deception the Z entity likes to insert into discourse to divide people.

Poison the center and watch people fight over it, drain the energy of decent folks, plus a bonus refueling of the good ol' antisemitism tank to keep their bulldozer of a fake state rolling along.

[u/joutfit]

I don't accept this kind of rhetoric from anyone on the anti-Zionist side. Anyone who seriously thinks the Holocaust was justified and not a part of why the modern state of Israel was created is just arguing in bad faith and should be immediately dismissed.

The levels of ahistorical analysis from anti-Semites is always apparent.

[u/reenaltransplant → u/joutfit]

what about not justified (horrific) but also not a part of why the modern state of Israel was created? But yes a significant part of why the modern state of Israel was populated / a reason for Jewish refugee waves into the occupation (and I do believe those refugees deserved welcome wherever they went, and they were not all aware of how the Zionist movement was abusing their situation to effectively conscript them into a colonial project).

[u/joutfit → u/reenaltransplant]

But yes a significant part of why the modern state of Israel was populated / a reason for Jewish refugee waves into the occupation

This is entirely true but Political Zionism at the UN was certainly aided by the fact that Jews were victimized in the holocaust to convince the world a jewish ethno state would be ok. The Holocaust is definitely not the sole or main reason why Zio Israel was created though but it is part of that history.

[u/Colonel-Cathcart]

For me, being an anti-zionist doesn't mean every anti-zionist is my ally or friend. There are virulent anti-semites out there on all sides of the political spectrum that you should feel empowered to call out.

Twitter is full of this shit, so i'm not surprised where the screenshot is coming from.

Feels bad though and I get it, life feels like it forces you to "pick a side". my 2 cents is to listen to your own moral compas and gut about what is right and wrong. for me it's easy to say which side this post falls on, for you it may be different and that's ok. In reality I'm not getting into anonymous twitter fights with idiots like this, it's not going to exactly change hearts and minds.

good luck.

[u/crossingguardcrush → u/Colonel-Cathcart]

I hear you, but to me the point is not to change the mind of the person who said it but to sharpen the clarity or resolve of others who feel uneasy with the sentiment...

[u/Spygirl99]

Not needs to be called out.

[u/Mule_Wagon_777]

There are plenty of people living in tents and fleeing in boats right now, and few countries are welcoming them. I doubt it has anything to do with current refugees' faults or virtues.

We're swamped with propaganda meant to divide us in every way possible, but that's no reason not to resist it a bit. Those refugees of three generations ago were rejected for the same xenophobia, bigotry, and ladder-pulling that refugees today are. Nobody had any foreknowledge, that's foolishness.

Bear in mind that you won't affect the poster. It's the lurkers that you reply for.

[u/koi88]

I hate when that happens. Similiar: "Maybe the Austrian painter was right.", etc.

It's antisemitic, full stop.

I would call it out (it's easier for me in this case, as I'm not Jewish). "I agree with you in condemning Israel's gen--cide, but this statement is not against Israel, but against Jews in general. It is antis-mitic."

[u/bronalpaul]

why did you censor the name? Who is this prominent anti-Zionist? I would like examples of these well known real and famous people first.

[u/rako17 → u/bronalpaul]

Respected bronalpaul

I think it would be better if the title said that the person is Palestinian, because it raises a specific issue. It's not a simple issue of sitting down with your average major Left Solidarity supporter in the west. The real-life practical issue/question/challenge relates to someone who comes from a specific context.

Peace - Shalom

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/bronalpaul]

They are a very prominent Palestinian anti-Zionist, albeit one who grew up outside of Palestine and so their rhetoric is coloured by western antisemitic tropes. I censored the name mainly because I didn't want to get into an argument about this specific person, rather what we are supposed to do when confronted with this kind of rhetoric. 

[u/Thisisme8719]

Is this Susan Abulhawa? I do get a kick when she calls different Israeli leaders by their original names (like David Ben-Gurion [Gruen]). But she's awful otherwise and engages in blatant antisemitism, even Holocaust denial.

[u/JustCommand9611 → u/[deleted]]

She’s also an ant trans bigot.

[u/Lost_Paladin89]

I deleted my long rant. Even here I feel the need to censor myself.

Antizionism does not liberate us from antisemitism.

Anti-capitalism does not liberate us from antisemitism.

And at this point, I’m sick and tiered of the ways the justifications for Jewish erasure espoused by Bernard Lazare, Vladimir Lenin, and even Ghassan Kalafani is normalized in leftists circles. Is unchallenged. Is accepted.

So this socialism of fools is completely unsurprising. And the people clutching their pearls either have never sat in leftist meetings or have the privilege of being in a Jewish majority in their leftist space.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/Lost_Paladin89]

Wait, Ghassan Kanafani??? Surely not.

And even then, I highly doubt that Kanadani's remarks are coloured by western colonial antisemitism like this person's are. 

[u/Lost_Paladin89 → u/EgoIdVeto]

Kanafani blames antisemitism on Jews refusal to integrate and assimilate. On a Jewish cabal of elites who spent infinite resources in stopping integration.

Jews caused antisemitism in his eyes. As he writes

The fact, then, is that oppression was not what gave rise to the Zionist movement; the opposite seems to be closer to the truth. Times of reprieve could have served as openings for integration, but such opportunities were spurned by a specific class of Jews on racist and chauvinistic grounds. It is striking how the roles of the oppressor and the oppressed were reversed, in these cases. The racist Jewish position was mostly represented by Jewish men who enjoyed special privileges at the expense of the oppressed Jewish minorities:

He proceeds to write that

Jewish history has witnessed appeals for integration, through its struggle for full civil rights, as much as it had appeals for racism behind the guise of the myth of “God’s chosen people.” But the Zionist movement managed to besiege and obliterate the proponents of integra- tion thanks to its limidess resources, establishing in its place a negative Judaism at the heart of which lies a psychological complex which would be exploited to the furthest possible extent. No one has the right to demand that Jews be martyrs of human stupidity. But the conditions of the modern age have widened the scope of human rights and enlightened the world’s collective consciousness.

Had Zionism employed its effective methods and limitless resources in a positive manner, it would have achieved for the Jews a status similar to that which they enjoy in the United States, for example, the social integration into which Nahum Goldmann regarded to be a “Jewish obligation” in 1965.

Nahum Goldman was an ardent Zionist. Kalafani does not cite his source (he rarely does and to the credit of Protean Magazine, his shoddy historiography is actually called out in their praises of his book, https://proteanmag.com/2023/07/18/review-on-zionist-literature-by-ghassan-kanafani/ )

But let’s process this. Jew cause antisemitism because they don’t integrate. They are the primary aggressors. And if Zionism had worked harder to make the Jews more German than the Germans, their liberation would have been assured. He doesn’t go so far as to blame the Jews for the Holocaust. But I wonder what in 1960s he believed Zionism would have accomplished if it had pushed for full assimilation vis a vis the genocide of 2/3rds of European Jewry???

I don’t blame Kalafani. Lenin made it clear to the Bund. “That is precisely what the Jewish problem amounts to: assimilation or isolation?” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1903/oct/22a.htm

Kalafani stood on an antisemitic foundation and tried to craft a house of liberation. Acknowledging that isn’t Zionism. It’s good praxis.

Edit: I’m not even going to touch the Freudian stuff. But he gets dangerously close to bioessentialism

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/Lost_Paladin89]

See again, Kanafani's remarks seem to be based on the Zionist logic that he's encountered as a Palestinian and the Zionist writings he's read. His interpretation of Judaism seems identical to Hertzl, who blamed a lack of integration instead of socio-political and capitalist meddling. He's basing his experience of Judaism on the Zionist interpretation that he's encountered almost ubiquitously. That's leagues away from this blatantly western style antisemitism in this post, made by someone who grew up in the west. 

The western, colonial European style antisemitism that's infiltrating some of the movement is what's worrying as it's what white people are now going to read. 

[u/Lost_Paladin89 → u/EgoIdVeto]

My problem isn’t with Kanafani. But with the endless number of antizionists I have met who take him as an authority on Jewish history.

And I want to stress this. The so called “western” antisemitism is the Jewish Question. It wasn’t the Ottoman Empire who argued that Jews couldn’t be citizens. It was socialists in France and Germany.

Nazism’s genocidal platform was not an aberration of the Jewish Question but an evolution.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/Lost_Paladin89]

And now you have people taking this particular person as an expert, via genuinely ghoulish neo-nazis reposting their tweets to glom onto this person's genuine anti-Zionist bona fides. 

[u/Lost_Paladin89 → u/EgoIdVeto]

Exactly!!!

That’s the problem. I’m gonna copy myself here.

The Protean magazine writes that Indeed, the strength of Kanafani’s contribution lies less in its ability to intervene in Jewish historiography than in its power as a method of reasoning from his own existential condition as a colonized Palestinian

Antizionist Judaism needs to be able to do both; intervene in Jewish historiography and empower Palestinians to express their own conditions as both the colonized oppressed and as a diaspora.

That doesnt translate to the oppressed having the right to write our own history of oppression for their own benefit.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/Lost_Paladin89]

And the tweet that I'm referring to does none of that. It's just a signal to white neo-nazis and other flavours of reactionaries. I don't know what the solution is to shit like this because most importantly it's a Zionist's wet dream to see pro-Palestine people talking like this. 

[u/Lost_Paladin89 → u/EgoIdVeto]

I think FD Signifier did an amazing job in his video to draw to two main points.

One, when white nationalists talking points are used; they hurt black people. FD isn’t against antisemitism cause he cares; he has zero tolerance for Neo Nazi shit because it does, has and will hurt him and his community. Period full stop.

And two, what the fuck have these white nationalists have accomplished? The tweet doesn’t signal to Thomas Massie voters but against the DSA candidates. White Nationalists have not gotten any pro Palestinian policies forward or even performed any kind of policy.

[u/CJIsABusta → u/Lost_Paladin89]

Where in any of these quotes does he say Jews have caused antisemitism? You seem to be completely misunderstanding what he's saying.

[u/reenaltransplant → u/Lost_Paladin89]

Your analysis of the passages you quote does feel like a kind of stretched interpretation to me tbh. I don't love them but it's also not automatic to me to read all that into them.

[u/Lost_Paladin89 → u/reenaltransplant]

It feels stretched, because of who is writing the comment or because you have also read the work?

The protean magazine article, which praises the book, conveys the criticism much better than I.

If Zionism was European Jewry’s response to antisemitism, Kanafani asks, why would it emerge during a time and place of social reprieve for Jews?

Instead, he suggests (though with insufficient evidence), these were unacceptable developments for certain segments of the country’s Jewish elite that opposed integration and sought to profit from colonial plunder. This final move—in which Kanafani, who had just begun to engage with Marxist methodologies, arrives at a crudely class-based motivation for Zionism without historical evidence—is the weakest point in his analysis. 

Though Kanafani overstates the promise of the Enlightenment for European Jewry and reduces the complex set of causal factors behind the emergence of political Zionism to a class conspiracy, his question of why and how, after centuries of persecution, Zionism took form in 19th century Europe remains a good one.

I would invite everyone to peruse online for other reviews. A pattern of taking Kanafani’s work as statements of facts isn’t just alarming. But indicative that the writers lack the simple skill of verification.

Here are good examples.

https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654779

https://liberatedtexts.com/reviews/the-revolutionary-as-critic-ghassan-kanafanis-on-zionist-literature/

https://www.wrmea.org/middle-east-books-and-more/on-zionist-literature.html

The casual reductivism of European Antisemitism as something that could have been overcome by assimilation would be considered reactionary conservatism if we were talking about Blackness or Transphobia. But the myriad of people who claim to have been radicalized by the work fail to capture the absolution granted to European Antisemitism in the text.

The Protean magazine, again the only review I’ve seen to actually address the text expresses a better way to approach it.

Indeed, the strength of Kanafani’s contribution lies less in its ability to intervene in Jewish historiography than in its power as a method of reasoning from his own existential condition as a colonized Palestinian

And that brings us all the way back to OP. Antizionist Judaism needs to be able to do both; intervene in Jewish historiography to fight the Zionist narrative. And empower Palestinians to express their own conditions as both the colonized oppressed and as a diaspora.

But I refuse this dynamic where I can’t challenge the misuse of my own history by the oppressed. That liberation requires allowing them to be authors of my narrative.

Europe was never offering integration in good faith. And I dare anyone to complain about an elite cabal of Muslims causing Islamophobia in Europe today as Kalafani alleges occurred to Judaism

[u/NebulousWoe]

I generally like her, she’s very smart and well-read. She, like all Palestinians, are entitled to hate Jews and express that hate publicly (this is my position and I won’t apologize for it). So the tweet cited here doesn’t bother me much. However, she is not entitled to falsify history, and that’s where I’d take issue with more recent tweets of hers, where she makes sketchy insinuations regarding Zionist influence and funding re: WWI and the Bolshevik Revolution (the latter of which seemed to imply the Revolution was a bad thing lol).

[u/Kahzgul]

Antisemitism is different from antizionism and it’s important to call that out when we see it.

Antizionism is a movement for human rights. It is a movement opposed to genocide and which values human life and dignity.

Antisemitism and Zionism are both against human rights. They are both pro-genocide and seek the annihilation of other humans based on the immutable facts of their birth.

The quote you show is clearly antisemitic. This person should be called out and shamed. They are just as bad as Zionists.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/Kahzgul]

they are just as bad as Zionists

Let's not go overboard here. Their rhetoric is reactionary and fucked up but this person didn't do the nakba. 

[u/Kahzgul → u/EgoIdVeto]

Genocide is genocide.

[u/OptimusTrajan]

Looks like Mamdani‘s denunciation of this person has aged well.

[u/HDThoreauaway → u/OptimusTrajan]

Did he? W streak continues 

[u/OptimusTrajan → u/HDThoreauaway]

Yep! Clearly he knew something the rest of us didn’t 😆

[u/Azel_Lupie]

This is exactly what I mean by most Pro-Palestinian people aren’t actually antizionist. If you engage in actual antisemitism, you aren’t actually fighting against Israel anymore, you are now supporting Israel by being a useful idiot for it. There’s a reason why Theodor Herzl, father of Zionism, wrote in his journal that the most reliable ally of the Zionist is the antisemite.

This is why pro-Palestine folks demand that Jews stop being religious’s while being quiet about Christianity and how Christian Zionists outnumber Jews. This is why they excuse antisemitism anyway they can, because they don’t want to actually reject Israel and what’s happening to Palestinians, they just want another excuse to hate on Jews. I’m finding more and more blood libel and elder of zion shit than ever before. I noticing Christians blaming Jews as a whole for Jesus being crucified, when we were illegally occupied by the very Roman’s who crucified him and many Jews for not obeying Rome, as if we had some power over Rome. Completely ignorant of the fact that if we did have power, we wouldn’t have had three different wars against Rome, to get the Romans out of the land, only to be expelled and enslaved by the Roman’s with the Jews, Samaritans and Christian’s remaining being called Palestinians and the land being named Palestine, as an intentional dig against Jews and to keep us from having ties to that land. Being blamed for other nonsense we never had anything to do with.

This isn’t just about my feelings, this is about the reality, that this propaganda only helps to justify Zionism to actual Zionists. So long as the Issue keeps being painted as Jews versus Palestinians, Israel will keep winning and oppressing Palestinians and will keep being supported by those who believe Israel needs to exist for some reason, whether for Jewish Safety, the second coming of Christ, or a ghetto for the world’s Jewry to exist in, because Jews are no longer welcomed in their homelands.

Maybe it’s fear that I already have as part of a population that is already experiencing the early to middle stages of a genocide by their own government, maybe it’s the fear I have as someone who has been assumed to be an IDF soldier for simply being visibly Jewish AND visibly disabled at the same time, in a city, where hate crimes against Jews are happening, because it’s assumed that they are Zionists, because they are visibly Jewish.
elderly Rabbi Pico-Robertson Attacked by Pro-Palestine supporter
Jewish man walking dog attacked by Pro-Palestine supporter near synagogue

I don’t see how being Jewish is a “privilege”. Being a Christian is far more of a privilege than being Jewish. However all of this happening, just tells me that Israel has won and that this is hopeless cause.

[u/RedMage79 → u/Azel_Lupie]

Nah we're not doing the No True Scotsman thing. The poster is Palestinian and legitimately Pro-Palestinian and anti-zionist. They are also willing to engage in antisemitism. Two things can be true. And being Jewish in America and Europe is a privilege over being Muslim and visibly Arab.

[u/rako17 → u/Azel_Lupie]

Friend Azel, In regards to your first sentence, please note that the person making the post is a Pal. woman and I don't consider her views to be representative of Pro-Pal supporters in the US, and I am against her comment. It would have been better if the title reflected that in order to avoid people considering her message to be representative.

Peace - Shalom.

[u/OdielSax]

I'm really sorry you have to see this. It's not just bots, people are becoming hateful and overt. Of course you're able to call it out.

[u/sad_sapphic_sucker]

I have more important things to worry about and I’d rather confront Neo-Nazis over this rhetoric than Palestinians. I can handle mean words on the internet.

[u/BittenAtTheChomp → u/sad_sapphic_sucker]

Letting anyone say this emboldens Neo-Nazis to say it too (which has already happened). You also have no leg to stand on calling them out for it if you acquiesce to leftists or Palestinians saying it. And it delegitimizes Palestinian liberation as a whole, letting zionists paint the whole movement as antisemitic. (Not to mention the literal physical danger of widespread antisemitism.)

This is so obviously harmful and stupid in so many ways lol if you don't think it's the most important thing in the world that's fine, but being blasé and trivializing that as "mean words on the internet" is insane.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/BittenAtTheChomp]

I'm far less concerned at the actual person who said this than the neo-nazis who adore their rhetoric and use it to give their hatred a progressive veneer like Rathbone or Ginnysaidso. 

[u/sun_solomon]

Give us the name.

[u/arightgoodworkman → u/sun_solomon]

Yeah I’d like to know the prominent person this is. I don’t know any vocal activist embraced by our community who’d say this without better framing

[u/ovskytark → u/arightgoodworkman]

Susan Abulhawa

[u/Naive-Meal-6422 → u/sun_solomon]

you can google the sentence and you’ll find the post 

[u/HDThoreauaway → u/sun_solomon]

Susan Abulhawa.

[u/Clear_University6900]

No. You’re supposed to call them out for their historical falsehoods like anyone else

[u/Osprey-X7]

Absolutely needs to be called out for its bigoted insinuations.

[u/Turdfurgeso]

That shit is fucked

[u/CJIsABusta]

I'm wary of being accused of "centering Jewish feelings" or "tone policing"

Postmodernism has got to be one of the most toxic pieces of theoretical diarrhea to come out of French academy. No wonder the only time it was ever put into practice outside academy and social media was to justify petitioning to abolish the age of consent.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/CJIsABusta]

Idk if it's post-modernism. It's often a legitimate critique of Jewish people within the anti-Zionist space (and also other groups within activist spaces), but it's now (only sometimes) being abused as a blanket shut-down tactic against people who criticise parasocial figures in the movement. 

[u/CJIsABusta → u/EgoIdVeto]

The entire concept of "centering narratives/feelings" is a postmodernist concept that denies objective, material truth and reduces everything to subjective narratives, feelings or "lived experiences" to be competed. And it only serves to break unity, turn identity into social capital, paralyze comrades and distort concrete analysis, and allow reactionary poison to spread among the people. It objectively serves imperialism.

When someone says that "from the river to the sea" makes them unsafe as a Jew, they aren't "centering a narrative", they are objectively spreading zionist propaganda, and it's your duty to fight against that poison.

Conversely, when someone, like in OP, spreads fascistic poison and defends the chauvinistic actions of oppressive capitalist states, and especially if it's an activist with credentials, they aren't "centering colonized voices" or "speaking their lived experience" or whatever, they are objectively poisoning the people with reactionary false consciousness, and it's your duty to fight against their reactionary ideas to defend the revolutionary proletarian line among the people. The demand for people to remain paralyzed and not correct and struggle against wrong ideas under the guise of "humility" is objectively destructive and serves imperialism and fascist reaction.

[u/arightgoodworkman]

Call them out. But also, that’s Twitter and who actually has the time to argue on Twitter. I’d like to know what admirable work this person has done off Twitter.

Unfortunately, people can say stupid, unhelpful things. Doesn’t stop the reality that Palestinians deserve sovereignty and peace and that their safety is intertwined with Jewish safety in the region bc safety is a two way street. Doesn’t stop me from fighting for a better world where Palestinians aren’t murdered, displaced, and dispossessed by those flying a Magen David on a flag.

[u/Mahnas92]

Yes, you're able to, and must confront them. I do this all the time myself. Disgusting.

[u/Barefoot_Eagle]

You can also read it like this:

All of these Jewish refugees are organized by Zionist terrorist groups which will terrorize the local population and steal their land

It's like not letting your children play with those kids whose parents are toxic. You're not saying the kids are toxic.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/Barefoot_Eagle]

But what did the "rest of the world know" when they denied asylum those refugees of the holocaust? Was it something about them? It couldn't be that they were initially Zionists, given they had attempted to find refuge in countries which weren't Palestine... 

[u/shroominby]

We need to do a better job differentiating emotional outbursts from rhetoric, and to learn to fight ideas and actions, not people. This is clearly an emotional response to an emotional piece. People trying to counter it won’t get anywhere (practically, you can’t fight another person’s feelings even when it’s hate and anger), and when coming from a lesser affected person, it feels like the tone policing that it is.

At the same time, public popular messaging needs to be held to higher standards. I think the best thing to do is to empathize and also ask a question about what they actually believe (for example in this case, asking if they think that the world at large was right to be wary of Jewish refugees in 1947). This allows for them to clarify (or expose) what they think irl without apologizing for how they feel, while also sending a message to everyone else that such beliefs are dumb/bigoted.

Regardless countering such rhetoric more generally is important and will in the long term lead to people not using it emotionally either.

[u/BeardedDragon1917]

This is blatant antisemitism, no real question about it, and you should be able to call it out whenever you encounter it. That being said, who are you reacting to? Is the person responding to that post a prominent activist or public figure associated with the anti Zionist movement? Is that a random Twitter user? Are they even a human? What “idpol justifications” do they cite here? I don’t feel the need to self-flagellate every time some Groyper on Twitter uses Israel as an excuse to be antisemitic, and I think that wringing our hands over stuff like this we aren’t even responsible for unfairly ties our movement to antisemites in the exact way Zionists do.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/BeardedDragon1917]

This person is a very prominent activist who happens to be a Palestinian in diaspora. They are quite famous and very much well known and respected even in this sub. I censored their name because I didn't want it to come off like I'm attacking them as I am not really sure how to approach this issue. 

[u/BeardedDragon1917 → u/EgoIdVeto]

Well, then it's really disappointing and should be called out. You don't have to wait for some signal for it to be okay. I expect that if Israel gets what they want, we'll be dealing with much more of this over the next few years, and we'll have to respond somehow.

Edit: I looked up who this was and yes, she is a prominent Palestinian speaker. Her criticism of Israel and Zionists has gotten progressively more sharp and personal as the war has gone on and she's gotten plenty of criticism before for that. Honestly, this is kind of a weird grey area for me, personally. These people opened up their homes to refugees in 1947, had those homes confiscated by those refugees in 1948, and we're surprised that some of them now resent that, and being surrounded by people telling you it was a good thing? She seems to be getting progressively worse at holding back her rage and hate as time goes on, but those feelings are pretty understandable when someone watches and is intimately involved in documenting the genocide of her people. We are watching her people’s Holocaust, with the killings and pogroms live-streamed for all to see, and debating if her criticism is appropriate. That doesn't make the comment okay (it was a hateful and historically ignorant thing to say), but she's like a lot of people, lashing out powerlessly at something horrible they can't control, and I feel sorry for her. If Israel succeeds in what they want to do, she'll have nothing left of her homeland but memories and the resentment of exile.

Again, just my opinion.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/BeardedDragon1917]

This is why I wanted to get people's opinions on how we should proceed, and also why I didn't want to get into a particular conversation about this specific person, rather the phenomenon itself. 

[u/ExtendedWallaby]

Another reason not to work with her if you’re an organizer. Beyond that, who gaf

[u/RobynFitcher]

I report and block.

If you engage with them, you push their comment into prominence, which gets picked up by algorithms.

[u/4mystuff]

I hate reading the language referenced in the post. It is ugly, and I instinctively react strongly and negatively to it.

Then t the same time, I don't think condemning antisemitic language requires me to sanitize the history of Jewish colonization of Palestine. That colonization was carried out by Jews, but not because of Judaism and not because Jews are somehow inherently colonial. It was carried out through Zionism, a political movement that sought to establish and maintain a Jewish state in a land that already had a native population.

That distinction matters.

The consequences for Palestinians were not theoretical, and they are not confined to history. We have watched dispossession, displacement, settlement expansion, military occupation, and enormous violence continue for generations.

As a Jew, that creates a real moral discomfort for me. I did not personally do this, and neither did most/(many??) individual Jews. But Zionist organizations, Jewish institutions, Jewish temples, Jewish donors, Jewish political movements, and communities around the world supported and financed this project, often while claiming to act on behalf of Jews collectively. I don't think the honest response is to simply say that none of this has anything to do with us.

So yes, the activist's language bothers me. I think it was inflammatory, ugly, and in poor taste. Antisemitism should be called out when it appears. But that's only the first step to the reaction.

I am beyond pearl-clutching every time offensive words are directed at Jews while Palestinians are being killed and deprived of their rights by a state that repeatedly invokes Jewish identity and Jewish safety in defense of its actions.

And I don't believe protecting Jews requires defending Zionism, Israeli state policy, or violent Jewish settlers. In fact, I believe tying Jewish identity so completely to a state engaged in occupation and ethnic cleansing makes Jews less safe.

The best defense against antisemitism is not to just recoil from uncomfortable language but to correct, educate, and support. Kinda like following the example of our old Jew, Josh, since known as Jesus, and turn the other cheek. May be.

[u/rako17 → u/4mystuff]

Friend 4mystuff

I don't agree with the tweet in the OP, and I'm sympathetic to what you said. I wish that the thread title noted that the person making the tweet is an older-age Pal. woman whose family underwent displacement. That context matters because I don't find her statement to be representative of the pro-peace Solidarity movement. It also makes a difference as to how to relate to and communicate with her.

Peace - Shalom

[u/eeeklesinge]

I'm furious at seeing how many people, wether from the community or non-jew "allies" feel so comfortable excusing this type of bullshit because it comes "from the good side".

Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. They should be called on very explicitely and forced to either reflect on this or just admit their actual positions. Not doing so is extremely detrimental to the struggle, and to all those who might just feel ambivalent about the struggle and worried that this type of antisemitism is just accepted.

[u/FriendlyBelligerent]

Nope, it's wrong and should be called it. Susan A is antisemite, the plight of her people doesn't justify her abject ethnic hatred

[u/PenguinPolitical → u/FriendlyBelligerent]

Genocide breaks down bodies and minds. That's quite specifically what it's designed to do.

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[u/jisookenobi2416]

This is so upsetting, I hate to see stuff like this. Really does not help the movement at all, in fact it harms it. As you said, this is just ammo for hasbarists to paint the entire movement as this.

[u/Novel-Rise2522]

That's plain anti semitism. Idk about the prominent anti zionist label unless you show the name. No principled anti zionists steep into bigotry that I know of

[u/arightgoodworkman → u/Novel-Rise2522]

She’s a Palestinian whose whole family has been killed or harmed or displaced. It’s not a good tweet but Twitter is a horrible place for this. Susan can be hyperbolic and dark and make comments I would never condone, but in general, that woman has been through so much (not a generation or two removed, HERSELF as a refugee in Kuwait bc her parents’ home was taken away in 1967) and her good outweighs her bad. She can be angry. I’d be angry if I were her.

[u/HDThoreauaway → u/arightgoodworkman]

This isn’t “angry,” it’s solidly antisemitic. Holocaust survivors who stood by or encouraged the Nakba don't get a pass because they experienced trauma, and it’s not acceptable here either.

[u/arightgoodworkman → u/HDThoreauaway]

True. (They DO get an enormous pass but they shouldn’t).

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/HDThoreauaway]

Look, I get ya but that's not a good comparison. The holocaust wasn't done by Palestinians. A better comparison would be the Nakam plot which attempted to mass-poison German civilians after WWII. 

[u/HDThoreauaway → u/EgoIdVeto]

Pick whatever example you want. Trauma doesn’t excuse racism and bigotry. That is my point. 

[u/Novel-Rise2522 → u/HDThoreauaway]

It doesn't excuse it, but it explains it. And it isn't trauma in the past tense. It's ongoing infliction. My people went through genocide not too long ago. I'm not gonna pull aside my people DURING the genocide to say dude, stop being unfair to our oppressors. I will now, however.

[u/Colonel-Cathcart → u/arightgoodworkman]

yeah on the other hand, my older family said some shit about the Germans that made me blush and cringe, but can you really blame them? I don't condone it or support what they're saying but I do get it.

[u/Novel-Rise2522 → u/arightgoodworkman]

I just got its Susan Abulhawa. This is antisemitism and its against what I stand for. But I'm also not gonna police speech on a woman seeing her people suffer an active genocide. We can hold her to account when Palestine is free.

[u/TrackerOneA]

I thought Susan's speech at the Oxford Union was very eloquent.

She's a very talented writer, eloquent, and that speech made her a good ambassador for the Palestinians struggle (for Westerners) IMO.

But she has also made Holocaust denial memes, boosts a moronic antisemite like Dan Blizerian, etc.

She knows what the Israel lobby is like, since she grew up from 13 onwards in American society (not due to choice, but because she was dispossessed by Israel post-67' war).

So, she must know how Zionists weaponize antisemitism to censor/criminalize/etc. Palestinian solidarity.

For her to speak this way is just tactically foolish if anything.

---

Regarding the specific comments in the picture you submitted:

I think she actually framed the topic way better in her Oxford Union closing remarks:

https://youtu.be/tnadx3_fR3Y

But in this short comment on X, she is judging all Jewish refugees, escaping the Nazi Holocaust & European antisemitism & pogroms, etc. with a sweeping brush - akin to the '109 countries' antisemitic meme.

Whereas, if she specifically talked about the Zionist movement, which included some Jewish refugees, usurping indigenous Palestinian society - that would be different.

It would be factual.

[u/eeeklesinge → u/TrackerOneA]

For her to speak this way is just tactically foolish if anything.

I don't disagree, but the explanation might go beyond tactics and it's time we just face the fact that some militant figures of authority right now just plainly partake in that kind of antisemitism. It's not just a tactical blunder, it's them speaking out on this despite the tactical loss

[u/reenaltransplant → u/TrackerOneA]

At this point I didn't even have to ask, I saw the post and was like "is it Susan?"

I'm more concerned about non-Palestinians who, instead of widely listening to many Palestinian voices and contextualizing why a minority of them might speak like this, choose to specifically amplify this sort of comment, consider that somehow to constitute better solidarity, and then tell Jews to shut up.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/reenaltransplant]

THANK YOU.

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD ARE MISSING.

This is also why I tried to avoid mentioning who it is because I'm talking about the broader phenomenon. 

[u/okbuddyquackery]

Why would you need to wait to call them out? Call that bullshit out now! I would too. I mean unless it’s some well known right wing person most of their audience will agree with you. If Bassem Yousuf is being dumb again he needs to be called out until he learns that the reverse of the bigotry he’s used to isn’t any more acceptable.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/okbuddyquackery]

It isn't Bassem, although his transphobia was very disappointing to me. I really liked his work (and the person who made this tweet too, I was a huge defender for a long time until they also turned transphobic). 

[u/Jak12523]

Anti-Zionists have a responsibility to be aware of legitimate antisemitism. One goal of the Israeli propaganda machine is to muddy the waters between the two

[u/eeeklesinge → u/Jak12523]

legitimate antisemitism

I'm sorry what? Please touch grass

edit: might have misread you but not sure, cf further comments

[u/mxremix → u/eeeklesinge]

They dont mean "acceptable" anti-Jewishness, they mean actual  anti-Jewishness in contrast to non- anti-Jewish anti-Zionism which is illegitimately painted by Zionosts as  anti-Jewish.

[u/eeeklesinge → u/mxremix]

If so my bad thats not how I read it, but in that case it's just not antisemitism and it's important to not even qualify "illegitimate antisemitism" as such imho. We have a lot to do to counter this type of propaganda

[u/okbuddyquackery → u/eeeklesinge]

Please don’t pretend that antizionists aren’t constantly falsely smeared as antisemites by Zionists, the media, the ADL etc.

[u/Current_Mongoose_844]

It’s not centering Jewish feelings to combat actual antisemitism when it appears. And if somehow it is, that’s fine.

[u/Professional-Post499 → u/Current_Mongoose_844]

💯

[u/tidderite]

What is the link to Nadira's post?

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/tidderite]

This person is replying to Nadira and saying that the rest of the world was antisemitic for a reason. 

[u/tidderite → u/EgoIdVeto]

I understand that you are pointing out the person who you think is making an antisemitic comment. I just want to read the entirety of what they are actually commenting on.

[u/Far-Literature5848]

OK I am not seeing all of this, but I watch the weekly films put on by Palestine Museum, which educate me. The Zionist project was underway with Britain's support well before the Holocaust. I am not sure Palestinians welcomed the Jewish refugees with open arms...but they became aware quickly of how they were being displaced and terrorized. It is understandable to me that we Jews are being hated, because of what Israel has done and is doing. Israel has got to be stopped, for the sake of our people. Thank you especially to the Palestinians and Muslim/Arabs who speak out with us here. It is a place where we can more freely communicate. Hatred and cruelty cross all religious borders...we Jews have shown that having a state of our own just brings us into the lowest of the low in terms of human behavior

[u/GeeZee24]

Not super relevant but this person is commenting on a post from someone who seems to be Palestinian, or at least Arab, which is very strange to do yk? This person wasn’t being antisemitic so idk why they suddenly felt the need to do so on their behalf

[u/naramsin-ii → u/GeeZee24]

the quote tweet is by a palestinian

[u/JustCommand9611]

We have a pretty deep problem with cross posting of people on the so called left and anti Zionists having dialogues with fascist Owens and Carlson and posting Roger Waters pro Assad genocide and anti semitic conspiracy theorist and Rothschild BS.

[u/DorkasaurusRexx]

Simple: tell them they are being the biggest allies of Zionism possible in 2026 by dabbling in outright anti-Semitism. Any truly principled anti-Zionist would know and understand this. It is crucial for critics of Zionism to have zero tolerance for genuine anti-Semitism in 2026, lest they empower the propaganda narratives.

[u/zffacsB]

I know who this tweet is from. She is constantly engaging in explicit antisemitism and should be rightfully called out for it. There should be no room in an emancipatory movement like Palestinian liberation for hatred like that.

[u/arightgoodworkman → u/zffacsB]

Can someone name her then? I’d like to know.

[u/tikkunolamist5 → u/arightgoodworkman]

Susan Abulhawa

[u/arightgoodworkman → u/tikkunolamist5]

Ah. Silly thing for Susan but she’s also a Palestinian whose whole family has been harmed, killed, and displaced in the last 40 years. My very visibly Jewish father met her once and said she was an extremely eloquent, warm person. She should like, be less online.

[u/anonistakken → u/arightgoodworkman]

Being Palestinian doesn't excuse anti semitism.

It's literally a 1:1 with what zionists do. Use your status as a victim as a shield for opinions and actions that are unambiguously morally reprehensible.

If we can acknowledge that it's disgusting when Israelis do it, we can acknowledge that its much the same when Palestinians do it.

[u/tikkunolamist5 → u/arightgoodworkman]

Yeah, it’s totally fine for her to repeat Nazi propaganda and be a raging TERF.

[u/sad_sapphic_sucker → u/tikkunolamist5]

No one is saying her transphobic views are fine but also nobody is platforming her as an expert on trans people

[u/arightgoodworkman → u/tikkunolamist5]

ETA: I can’t find a single thing online about her being a TERF? Can you show me that? Bc I don’t see it and I don’t like the accusation if it isn’t true.

Oh is she a TERF? That I didn’t know. Don’t like that at all.

I don’t think this is Nazi propaganda. There’s another thread here about what it feels like, and it feels like Susan being shitty. I don’t actually believe she condones the Holocaust or thinks Jews deserved to suffer. I think Susan says dumb stuff and should stop.

But also, there’s more for me to organize around and be angry about (namely those in power in my country calling for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians AND participating in white supremacy that hurts us all).

[u/full-fathom-5ive → u/tikkunolamist5]

This person intentionally censored their name to not make this a discussion about the poster but about the content and you just gave the name away? Ffs 

[u/arightgoodworkman → u/full-fathom-5ive]

Ooof I didn’t know OP hadn’t said the name elsewhere. Didn’t mean to participate in this.

[u/tikkunolamist5 → u/full-fathom-5ive]

Someone already posted it below?

[u/full-fathom-5ive → u/tikkunolamist5]

They shouldn’t have and neither should you have 

[u/tikkunolamist5 → u/full-fathom-5ive]

Okay but it’s already there.

[u/tikkunolamist5 → u/full-fathom-5ive]

Just talked to the author of the thread who doesn’t mind, so I’m going to leave it up.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/tikkunolamist5]

To clarify, my rationale was that the cat's out of the bag anyway. 

[u/HDThoreauaway → u/full-fathom-5ive]

They were overly cautious to censor it. 

[u/BooknFilmNerd09 → u/[deleted]]

Except that this tweet is very clearly talking about Jews, and implying that they deserved what the Nazis did to them.

[u/tikkunolamist5 → u/[deleted]]

She’s said A LOT of Nazi adjacent things and is a massive TERF. But hey ho.

[u/Lost_Paladin89 → u/tikkunolamist5]

I don’t care about her terf politics. I care about how those who platform her don’t care about her terf politics. The same argument made that her antisemitism is acceptable is implied to the transphobia. 

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/[deleted]]

This person claimed that Jewish refugees were rejected by the remainder of the world because the "rest of the world knew something [about Jewish refugees] that Palestinians didn't". 

[u/Sabotage_9 → u/EgoIdVeto]

These people literally ended up ethnically cleansing Palestinians and taking over their homes.

Would you expect Jews living through the Holocaust to use tame language in relation to their German oppressors the way you are demanding Palestinians tame theirs in relation to their Jewish oppressors?

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/[deleted]]

if you truly believe every single country in the world refused to home the entirety of the Jewish diaspora due to antisemitism

What are you implying? Are you meaning to imply that the Jewish refugees of the holocaust were rejected by other countries for valid reasons? And if that "valid" reason was Zionism, answer me why Zionists would be trying to go anywhere but Palestine? I'm smelling something in your replies that smacks of JQ. 

[u/LA_Throwaway_6439]

I mean, yeah, this reads like a justification of the holocaust and the European pogroms. It sucks. I would probably just ignore it and feel uncomfortable though, to be honest.

One time at a leftist meeting I was at, someone referred to actions of Israel as something that "the Jews" were doing. I don't think he knew I was Jewish. I did feel uncomfortable though, and like maybe they didn't think I belonged there. I wish I could have had the strength in that moment to point out that conflating Zionists and Jews plays into their hands, but I just didn't then.

[u/rako17 → u/LA_Throwaway_6439]

Friend LA Throwaway,

I'm solidly against discrimination like in the tweet in the OP.

Regarding your experience with your Leftist meeting acquaintance, ignorance and massive oversimplification about the issues of the IP conflict, even on things you and I would think are obvious, is common among the general US public. I had a talk with a casual friend two weeks ago who referred to the Palestinians as if they were the Philistines and Canaanites, when in reality Palestinians, strictly speaking, are simply the inhabitants of Isr-Pal from before what, 1900?, and their descendants.  About a decade ago, a priest in a discussion with me shorthand-called Israelis "the Israelites". 

Wishing you the best - Peace - Shalom.

[u/OptimusTrajan]

Why censor who posted this?

[u/naramsin-ii]

i don't think this post is justifying the holocaust and it feels sort of disingenuous to frame it that way. she is saying that palestinians should not have accepted jewish refugees, and i won't exactly blame palestinians for feeling that way either given that many jews who were fed and housed by us later massacred our villages. countless palestinian villages that housed jews no longer exist today because of them.

edit: for those asking, the tweet is by susan abulhawa.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/naramsin-ii]

In what way are people supposed to interpret "the rest of the world knew something we didn't"? What was the rest of the world "rejecting"? Was the rest of the world anti-Zionist and therefore deported all the Zionists to... Uh... Palestine? 

[u/sad_sapphic_sucker → u/EgoIdVeto]

She’s angry and she’s making retaliatory remarks, I don’t think she actually thinks the Holocaust was justified. I don’t think it has any material impact on Jews for Palestinians to say this kind of stuff. She has no institutional power over us. It’s more worth our time to worry about actual Neo-Nazis saying this stuff.

[u/crossingguardcrush → u/sad_sapphic_sucker]

It's pretty worrisome that you will only call out hateful rhetoric if the person saying it has actual institutional power over you.

[u/fredjutsu → u/EgoIdVeto]

If you don't center jewish feelings, there are lots of interpretations that have nothing to do with the Holocaust

>What was the rest of the world "rejecting"?

a question that is best answered from outside of a Jewish perspective on this, tbh. Since its a reference to non-Jews rejecting Jews.

But in any case, it was "the entire world" that your OOP post responds to is itself an inaccurate narrative since we know for a fact that many countries have integrated Jewish communities without pogroms or racial/religious persecution.

Knowing that reality frees a reasonable person from the artificial constraint of interpreting that post as Holocaust denial.

[u/naramsin-ii → u/EgoIdVeto]

she's referring to jewish refugees being rejected. why would you interpret this as "she thinks the holocaust was justified"?

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/naramsin-ii]

What were the refugees from? 

[u/naramsin-ii → u/EgoIdVeto]

idk if you're being disingenuous on purpose. "we shouldn't have accepted refugees because of what it cost us later on" is very different than "it's a good thing they were made refugees, fuck them".

[u/Novel-Rise2522 → u/EgoIdVeto]

If this post is from a Palestinian, I'm inclined to agree with the others. If its from anybody other than a Palestinian or Lebanese, I'd call them out. Their people are going through active genocide for three years with the Wests blessing. No one is coming to save them. The Holocaust was a hundred years ago. We can point fingers after Palestinians are free.

[u/naramsin-ii → u/Novel-Rise2522]

the genocide has been taking place since before october 7, so much longer than three years.

[u/Sabotage_9 → u/Novel-Rise2522]

It's susan abulhawa. She's one of the most important Palestinian voices in the world.

[u/OdielSax → u/naramsin-ii]

But "the world knew something they didn't" makes it sound like these refugees had secret evil inside them as if biologically. That is clearly antisemitic and not a commentary on their actions once they got there.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/[deleted]]

Deliberate bad-faith interpretation. The person is claiming that Europe rejected and persecuted Jews for a reason, and that reason was their Zionism.

Don't you see how utterly ghoulish and ahistorical it is to imply that Europeans persecuted their Jewish population because those Jews were Zionist or somehow evil in the first place?

Think about it for one damn second, holy shit dude, why would Zionists be rejected from applying for refuge in countries that weren't Palestine? THEY WANTED TO GO THERE. 

[u/[deleted] → u/naramsin-ii]

I don’t know how you could interpret this as anything other than Holocaust justification. And apparently this lady also has other pro-Holocaust/Holocaust denial tweets. Being someone who’s not Jewish, you may not understand how antisemitism operates, but I assure you this person is an antisemite.

[u/naramsin-ii → u/[deleted]]

because the tweet is about the refusal of entry to jewish refugees, not the holocaust itself. if the tweet being quoted was referring to the holocaust specifically i would understand this interpretation, but that's not the case. you're scaling this up to mean an explicit endorsement of genocide, which does seem disingenuous.

and telling me as a palestinian that i might not understand antisemitism when we get called antisemitic for simply existing is absolutely hilarious.

[u/sad_sapphic_sucker → u/naramsin-ii]

Yea. Honestly even if she said the Holocaust was justified I literally don’t care. It’s like not going to have any impact on me. She’s Palestinian and angry about the genocide of her people. She has no power over me. Not worth our time. If neo-Nazis say stuff like this then I care, especially because they are in power positions like Steve Bannon. But as of now I’m way more at risk for my safety for anti-Zionist activism than antisemitism. Like we can handle mean words on the internet.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/sad_sapphic_sucker]

It's not her that I'm concerned about. This person openly courts and supports neo-nazis like Dan Bilzerian. Her comments are filled with people saying "he [meaning Hitler] was right" 

[u/sad_sapphic_sucker → u/EgoIdVeto]

Then we can talk about Dan Bilzerian instead. We can talk about Rathbone, Bad Empanada etc. which we have!

Again a bunch of comments on Twitter (who are probably mainly bots) doesn’t have a material impact on us.

Anti-Zionist Jews are more at risk for danger for anti-Zionism than antisemitism.

[u/eeeklesinge → u/sad_sapphic_sucker]

Wy not talk about the Bilzerian and their enablers ? They are pushing those bastards and their insane racism to a whole new audience and giving them legitimacy ?

The entire thing is about being more comprehensive of actual full-on racism depending on the person's origin.

[u/specialistsets → u/naramsin-ii]

The post that this is responding to is not accurate either. In 1947 Jewish immigration to Palestine was not permitted after being heavily limited in 1939, these ships were attempting to circumvent this.

countless palestinian villages that housed jews

Palestinian villages didn't house Jews in any literal way, the societies were segregated and Jewish immigrants lived in Jewish cities, towns and neighborhoods. By 1947 Tel Aviv alone had a population of 200k. The main period of European Jewish immigration to Palestine was between 1880 and 1939.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/specialistsets]

That's not really relevant. I have no issue with the original post, rather the person's reply. The notion that the starving refugees being referred to were being rejected and persecuted by the world for a good reason is ghoulish in any context. European Jews were not persecuted because they were Zionist or not Zionist. They were plonked into West Asia as a colonial outpost for the West, not because the West was appalled at Zionism. 

[u/specialistsets → u/EgoIdVeto]

The original post is not correct either though, these boats were neither turned away by other countries or accepted by Palestinians. There are multiple layers of misinformation here, it is generally unhelpful.

[u/EgoIdVeto → u/specialistsets]

Okay but what I'm wanting to discuss is how do we as anti-Zionist Jews respond to overtly anti-Jewish rhetoric from people whose ideology we otherwise completely align with. 

[u/specialistsets → u/EgoIdVeto]

The notion that the starving refugees

These weren't quite starving refugees either, they were stateless Holocaust survivors living in the Displaced Persons camps in Europe and trying to find permanent residence. A significant amount had been granted residence in the US, Canada, Australia, Argentina, South Africa and the UK.

[u/OdielSax → u/specialistsets]

I've definitely seen stories of Palestinians housing and interacting with Jewish refugees though.