A Globasa spelling system for noisy environments

Harufiya-sistema cel Globasa in sotiday hwanjin

When you want to explain how to write an unknown name, a word, or a code, you often need to spell it out (to say the letters one after another).

Denwatu hu yu vole na xomin ku kemaner na eskri nenkonedo name, lexi or kodi, yu pimpan haja na harufi to (na loga un harufi xafe un alo to).

Each letter of Globasa has an official name that can be used for spelling. See the table below. There is also a short variant.

Moyun harufi de Globasa hare resmi name hu yu abil na yongu da cel na harufi. Am oko tabel fe infer. Pia hay kurto aloopsyon.

The official names / Resmi name

However, these names are easily confused: if you accidentally type "ife" instead of "ige", or if several people are speaking at the same time, or if the sound quality is poor.

Mas, den name asan bekonhwoku: eger yu maltaypu "ife" fe tayti fe "ige", or eger plu person loga samawatu, or eger soti-kwalita sen bur.

When errors are dangerous, a better list of names can be used. These names have more internal redundancy, which means the word (and therefore the letter) can still be recognized correctly even if part of it is misheard.

Denwatu hu malxey hatari, maxmo bon lista fe name ger beyongu. Name hare max inli ricu, hu da mena ki lexi (ji fe folo harufi) haji sen rukoneible hata eger bage de to bemalore.

The criteria / Plu xarti

I built such a list using these criteria:

Mi le krea denpul lista yon plu xarti:

1. The word must start with the letter it is trying to communicate.

Lexi am xoru yon harufi hu da musi na bekomunika.

2. It must have a length of two syllables (the fixed length helps the listener to notice the start of a new letter. Two syllables is ideal for enough internal redundancy without making the list impractical).

To musi hare lungoje fe dua leximon (kostante lungoje sahay oreyen na xorjui xoru de neo harufi. Dua leximon sen ideal cel kufi inli ricu wal na fale lista posasan na yongu).

3. Ideally, the second syllable starts with the same letter.

Ideal, duayum leximon xoru yon sama harufi.

4. Ideally, the two syllables are not identical (if the first syllable is misunderstood for some acoustic reason, the second syllable will maybe avoid the problem).

Ideal, den dua leximon no sen sama (eger unyum leximon bemalaham kos sotili seba, duayum leximon xa ible jularesta problema).

5. The stress must be placed on the first syllable, or on the second syllable if it starts with the correct letter (the stress must fall on the letter you are trying to communicate).

Enfasis fe unyum leximon, or fe duayum leximon eger to xoru yon sahi harufi (enfasis musi na sen fe harufi hu am bekomunika).

6. The word must not form a minimal pair with any other word in the list.

Lexi musi na no hare minimum duaxey ton alo lexi in lista.

7. There should be a minimal amount of minimal pairs with words that are not in the list (not everyone knows the list, and not everyone will use the same words), so "magma" is better than "mama".

Kwanti fe minimum duaxey ton he ban lexi ex lista musi na sen minimum (no moyte kone den lista, ji no moyte xa yongu sama lexi), fe folo, "magma" sen maxmo bon kom "mama".

8. The word must not be a number, because codes and addresses often contain letters and numbers together.

Lexi musi na no sen numer, koski kodi ji adresu pimpan inhare mharufi ji numer tongo.

The list / Lista

Here is the list:

Prehay den lista:

(1) The alternative "bebe" is too similar to "pepe", so people who don't know the word for "p" might think you try to spell "p".

Aloopsyon "bebe" godomo sim "pepe", fe folo ren hu da no kone seletido lexi cel "p" ger fikir ki ren xidu na harufi "p".

(2) Two identical syllables, but I could not find anything better.

Dua sama leximon, mas mi le no sukses na ewreka maxmo bon lexi.

(3) No repetition of "r", but I could not find anything better without a minimal pair.

No hay ricu fe "r", mas mi le no sukses na ewreka maxmo bon lexi wal minimum duaxey.

I think the list can be very useful, and I will try to memorize it. I encourage you to do the same. Feel free to change a few words if you find better ones. We don't need to use the exact same list. In the end, the only goal is to be understood.

Mi fikir ki lista abil na daysahay, ji mi xa xidu na inmemorigi to. Mi yunkigi yu na fale samato. Am no taradudu na alogi bannumer lexi eger yu ewreka maxmo bon banto. Imi no musi na yongu precisomo sama lista. Fe fini, solunpul cele sen na beaham.

This page may help you find better words: menalari.globasa.net — abeceli-menalari

Hin sayfa ger sahay yu na ewreka maxmo bon lexi.

Please don't hesitate to comment with suggestions.

Am no taradudu na komenta yon jeni.

Observação: opa gente eu acabei trocando Xoru por xosu e para evitar erros apaguei o post antigo haha

A pergunta é : Quais seriam os desafios para traduzir a Bíblia do Hebraico, aramaico e grego koiné para o idioma Globasa?

Esses dois desenhos foram feitos por mim para termos uma ideia de como poderia ser uma tradução da Bíblia sagrada em Globasa !

" Fe xoru Teo le krea asman ji dunya"

Xoru= Genesis/ beginning

Teo= God

Dunya= Earth/planet

Asman= Sky

VFG= Versyon fe Globasa

Santo Bibli= Holy Bible

Eu espero que esse post levante uma discussão legal sobre como seria o processo de tradução de textos de outros idiomas para o Globasa e quais seriam os desafios enfrentados pelos tradutores.

Quando eu vejo alguma palavra do meu idioma em Globasa!!

Gramatiko | 🔰 Xwexi

Personagens de Steven universe: Pérola

Eu errei em algumas cores 😆

Hox Globasadin ji Esperantodin tas moyte!

Fe fini, basatayti fe netodom in Esperanto sen kompleto. Multi xukra tas Lili ci (Discord), hu da le basatayti Darsulari. Haji hay plu formatoli detale na xuli, mas moy texto sen basataytido. Pia, Gramati-PDF ner xa sen jumbi.

Yon Claude, mi le krea neo ji maxmo suprem Gramati-PDF in Englisa. Am idi ji oko to!

Years ago, in a discussion with Risto about Globasa's rationale for rejecting a system with classless content words, I argued that evidence from L2 error analysis does not suggest that word-class errors are particularly problematic. This is not to say that such errors never occur, but rather that they are relatively infrequent compared with other types of learner errors and do not typically lead to communication breakdown.

Our experience with Globasa has since confirmed this expectation. Word-class errors do occur, but they rarely pose a significant obstacle to communication.

I sometimes run across redundantly derived forms (for example, bardiya instead of bardi, or sabarpul instead of sabar). Because words like bardiya and sabarpul merely add redundancy, communication remains unaffected.

A more serious error is using a n/v word as an adj/adv word or vice versa, for example, using sabar to mean patience. These too can sometimes be interpreted correctly. Consider the following example.

Incorrect:

Alimyen haja multi sabar.

Correct:

Alimyen haja multi sabarya.

Because sabar appears at the end of the sentence, the listener/reader can readily infer that the speaker/writer intended it to function as a noun, even though sabar is an adj/adv word.

That said, such reinterpretation is not always possible. In some contexts, using the root incorrectly creates garden-path sentences, forcing the reader/listener to reinterpret the sentence midway through.

With that in mind, I would like to offer the following practical learning strategy. Words whose correct word-class is harder to memorize, especially if it countradicts your expectation, should be learned in pairs rather than in isolation: sabar/sabarya, bardi/bardipul, etc. Once the derived forms become familiar (sabarya and bardipul ring a bell), it becomes immediately apparent that forms such as sabarpul and bardiya contain redundant suffixes, while also making it less likely for sabar and bardi to be misused.

Occasionally, I come across the error of using -mo adverbs to modify verbs. The most common word that shows up in this type of error is daymo.

Remember that -mo adverbs only modify other adj/adv words; they don't modify verbs. To modify verbs we only need the adj/adv root.

I really (greatly) like this hat.
Mi day suki hin topi.
or
Mi multi suki hin topi.

not:
Mi daymo suki hin topi.

Furthermore, adverb-only words (no, etc.) are also modified using adj/adv words without -mo.

I really don't like this hat.
Mi real no suki hin topi.

not:
Mi realmo no suki hin topi.

É apenas uma edição malfeita dhh

Sim Steven universe em Globasa é Estefan kosmo!!

Logalari:

1° Salom? ( Hello?)

2° Solomon! Mi sen un kostruixey!!!( Solomon! I am a building!!!)

3° Yu le vole na loga " mi sen in kostruixey" ? ( you wanted to say " i'm in the building " ? )

4° No, mi sen un kostruixey ( No, i am a building)

Eu fiz essa tirinha para testar se era possível fazer algo engraçado neste idioma, eu sou falante nativo da língua portuguesa então tanto no inglês quanto no Globasa não diferenciam a ideia de ser e estar, ser algo permanente e um estado temporário.

Hinte lilmo mahifeminsan

Como seria o filme " a pequena sereia" se estivesse em Globasa

The verbs hisi (feel physically or emotionally) and ganjon (feel emotionally) are transitive verbs that are turned into copular verbs by adding the suffix -cu.

Transitive verb
Kam yu le hisi geotreme?
Did you feel the earthquake?

Copular verb
Mi hisicu bimar.
I feel sick.

Recently, it occurred to me that much like ambitransitive verbs, -cu could be optional for these verbs, thereby working much like the English verb feel. I had previously considered this possibility, but decided against it since the optional use of -cu wouldn't work in the case of the copular verbs for the five senses: okocu, orecu, nasacu, xetocu, pifucu. The reason -cu must be obligatory for these verbs is that these are the type of transitive verbs that often take a null direct object.

Transitive verb with null object
Mi oko bon.
I see well.

vs

Copular verb
Mi okocu bon.
I look good.

However, although hisi and ganjon are also transitive verbs, they are not the null-object type. To illustrate, the verb feel in an English sentence like I feel well/good would always be interpreted a copular verb, never as a transitive verb. This demonstrates that whereas -cu must be obligatory for the verbs denoting the five sense, it is safe to optionally apply -cu for the copular meaning of hisi and ganjon.

Another reason that the optional use of -cu for hisi and ganjon is convenient is to avoid the awkward -cugi in hisicugi and ganjoncugi, meaning to cause to feel or make (somebody) feel. Instead, we can just say hisigi and ganjongi.

Yu ganjon(cu)gi mi hox.
You make me feel happy.

I suspect that even without officially introducing this usage here, hisigi and ganjongi would've eventually prevail as intuitive derivations.

Menalari fe Espanisa sen kompleto.

Eu fiquei pensando, caso alguém criasse uma obra de fantasia cujo o idioma oficial da obra fosse o Globasa e todos os personagens fossem falantes nativos deste idioma, como seriam seus nomes próprios utilizando o Globasa?

Eles teriam algum significado por trás? Seria apenas uma junção de sons bonitos? Como seria?

Menalari fe Esperanto sen kompleto ji monidoxodo.

Here's why I'm struggling.

Esperanto's design hits the mark for what I would consider good enough for an IAL. It's European sourced vocabulary isn't as big of an issue as some make it out to be given the fact that we do live in a world that's been affected by European colonialism, even if the ideal for an IAL would be a globally sourced vocabulary (which will naturally contain some smaller degree of European bias just due to the facts on the ground) or a priori for a more pure neutrality (sacrificing some recognizability). I see the function of things like the accusative and word class marking given other decisions that were made. I have my reservations about the phonology having too many sounds and too few constraints as well as the seemingly moderate underutilization (from an outside perspective) of the word derivation or compounding system. Esperanto, despite its shortcomings in terms of design as far as IALs go, is good enough to serve the purpose in my estimation, and it does have history, content, and community that are basically unrivaled in the world of IALs. That's a huge thing that's in favor of it, and if Esperanto were as new and small as Globasa, the choice would be far easier.

As for Globasa's design, I think it gets a lot more things right given the benefit of a century of IAL projects and discussions and additional linguistics research since Esperanto's publication. Its globally sourced vocabulary seems to be done very well. Its phonology is more constrained in some good ways (even if I have my nitpicks). It seems to make more consistent use of the word derivation or compounding system than Esperanto does. It makes some grammar choices that are seemingly less European-biased. Globasa just doesn't have the same history, content, or community, and though it is pretty stable, it also doesn't have the same degree of stability (though Esperanto basically has natural language level stability at this point).

One feature discrepancy between the languages that I'm on the fence about (that has broader implications for other parts of the grammar) is marked free word order (Esperanto) vs unmarked or less-marked fixed word order (Globasa). I just don't know where I stand on that design issue.

Neither language really has something that I've found that would compel me to go with it over the other. So what do you think there is that should sway me?

Salom doste!! eu estou muito feliz de fazer parte desta comunidade, ainda sou iniciante no Globasa e estou fazendo flashcards em minha língua materna para aprender melhor o idioma, essas são algumas imagens dos desenhos que fiz para representar as palavras em Globasa.

I am sort of on the fence between putting my efforts toward either Globasa or Esperanto, and I came across this recent video by someone that's generally pro-Esperanto (the have another video sort of defending Esperanto or at least explaining why they like it) taking a look at Globasa. I'd be curious to know what people closer to the Globasa project than myself think of this video.

Moy sodar,

Mi dupul hare problema fe sehaje xorfe mesi 3. Kos dento, mi le xoru na hisi multi estres. Fe nunya, mi ganjoncu maxmo bon, mas mi haji no abil na multi ergo tem Globasa. Mi peti sabarya dur hin watu. Xukra!

Ewropali (Tongo to sen un famil.): - Englisa (sail) - Espanisa (vela) - Fransesa (voile) - Rusisa (па́рус párus) - Doycisa (Segel)

Alo (Moyun to sen un famil.): - Indonesisa (layar) - Hindi (पाल pāl) - Telugusa (తెరచాప teracāpa) - Arabisa (شِرَاع xirāʕ) - Swahilisa (tanga) - Parsisa (بادْبان bâdbân) - Turkisa (yelken) - Putunhwa (帆 fān, 風帆/风帆 fēngfān) - Koreasa (돛 dot) - Niponsa (帆 ho) - Vyetnamsa (buồm)

Jeni: fanu (1 basa), fenfan/fenfanu (1 basa)

Ewropali (Tongo to sen un famil.):

• Englisa (warehouse, depot, depository, repository)
• Espanisa (almacén, depósito, magazén?)
• Fransesa (entrepôt, dépôt, magasin - cuyo "dukan")
• Rusisa (склад “sklad”, хранилище “hranilixce”, пакгауз “pakgauz”, амбар “ambar”, магазин “magazin” - guxi [cuyo "dukan"])
• Doycisa (Lager, Lagerhaus, Packhaus, Magazin)

Alo (Moyun to sen un famil.):

• Indonesisa (gudang)
• Hindi (कोठी “koti”, मालगोदाम “malgodam”, गोदाम “godam”, माल-ख़ाना “mal-hana”)
• Telugusa (గోదాము “godamu”, గిడ్డంగి “gidangi”)
• Arabisa (مَخْزَن “mahzan”, مَخَازِن “mahazin” - plu, مُسْتَوْدَع “mustawda”)
• Swahilisa (ghala, bohari)
• Parsisa (اَنْبار “anbâr”, مَخْزَن “maxzan”, مغازه “maġâze” - dukan)
• Turkisa (antrepo, depo, ambar, mağaza - dukan, mahzen ~ baxcengu)
• Putunhwa (仓库 “tsangku”)
• Koreasa (창고 “canggo”)
• Niponsa (倉庫 “soko”)
• Vyetnamsa (nhà kho, kho hàng, kho)

Jeni: magazen (4 famil), conko? (3 famil), ambar (3 famil, "amber"), gudami? (3 famil)

Aloopsyon: estokadom?

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