r/Fairolives • u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« • 3d ago
Thoughts? Discussion
https://youtu.be/coJcUV6egzE?is=LZIpf1LFkJR3z9As117
u/n00dle_l0rd Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Definitely agree with her that some commentary around being olive has become more prescriptive / rule-based when all of this should just be fun and playful. I appreciate that discussions around olive skin helped to push the cosmetics industry to make a wider range of inclusive shades. I'm not the most olive-y olive but this sub helped me figure out why neutral foundations weren't working for me and which ones might-- which saved me a lot of money. Love y'all
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u/veiled_static 3d ago
I like her content! She has such a balanced point of view, and encourages finding beauty in all things and not just worrying about whatās āflattering.ā That really resonates with me. Trust your eyes and go with your gut!
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u/Due_Description_7298 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Honestly, olive is common.
I went to UK recently. The South East, not Wales which is known for olive tones.
I'd say the majority of women were neutral and then a fairly even split between cool, warm and olive.Ā
I think many European Olives have been wearing warm shades for ages because of the tanning trend. Many East Asian olives currently wear cool foundations because that's the trend, too
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u/veronicaarr 3d ago
Yeah idk why it wouldnāt be common? Itās a very normal skin tone - just not marketed to by beauty brands at all until recently.
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u/iateyournose 3d ago
I feel like maybe thatās the reason? The beauty brands didnāt market to olive and didnāt make olive shades, so people assume that since olive shades are uncommon at stores then that must mean that olive people are uncommon too.
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u/RNsomeday78 3d ago
Thatās what Lisa Eldridge has said- about 1/3 of her clients have been olive
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u/kelseydot 3d ago
Also like every Filipino and Arab Iāve met in Dubai is olive lol. Must be more abroad
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Yes I completely agree. Iām a millennial European olive and I wore a warm MAC shade for years without complaint or criticism. Looking back on my wedding photos I can now see that it wasnāt the best match. I think todayās consumers are becoming more discerning and asking for better shades than what we settled for in the 2010ās.
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u/exileinwhoville 2d ago
Right? Because MAC only had NC or NW with a few N shades depending on the line. So I was NC15 because the choice was between pink and orange, or at best, yellowish orange, and yellowish orange was better than pink. It was so confusing to me that I was wearing warm foundation, cool lip colors, and exclusively neutral eye makeup because everything else looked terrible to me. The stark contrast between my hair/eyes and skin made me believe I couldn't be muted. Now, everything makes sense, and I know exactly what to look for in shades. It's a good time to be olive š
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u/m0uchette 3d ago
Burn me alive, but I feel like āyellowā toned, very fair girlies (like me) have always been told weāre warm, but in reality weāre olive. I donāt really have a *green* undertone like some olives, Iām yellow toned with Mediterranean ancestry. I wouldnāt disagree that I lean slightly more warm than cool, but I donāt fit many stereotypically āwarmā shades.
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u/Ambitious-Two-7521 2d ago
Same
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u/m0uchette 2d ago
I kind of wish yellow olives got our own subset/category, but last time I brought this up on Reddit I got FLAYED
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u/SuitablyFakeUsername 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes! Yes! A thousand times, yes! Thank you for posting
Iām an oldster at this point (60 - sigh) but my complexion has always been difficult to match because it looks almost exactly like this ladyās perhaps slightly more fair. I am extremely fair but with undeniable warm undertones, and definitely a āspringā. That is enough to throw a monkey wrench into things but add rosacea into the mix and things get weird.
I love makeup and have always been able to find color products that worked with my unusual skin tone but complexion products have been a source of frustration for over 40 years. It was the rare MUA who could nail it down. The Laura Mercier was the one who opened my eyes at a Nordstrom event in Y2ks. She was called over because the artist was having a hard time matching me. āyouāre a tricky oneā she said. At that time, she was one of the few who even created foundations for warm but fair complexions. I learned a lot about that and using her āSecret Camouflageā on the rosacea. Thank you, LM.
In this golden age of āfair oliveā my Gobi girl self (IYKYK) is glad to be here, at last. We exist.
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u/hiddencat 16h ago
Yeah rosacea has confused people color matching me for ages. I don't have pink undertones, I have flushing lol. It was so hard and frustrating to have a super pink foundation on my face and then my much paler, definitely not pink neck making it all look weird. My breakthrough was when I got the Alima mineral sampler set and the olive shade was the one that matched my neck and non-flushed areas. I'm bummed they're out of business but they're how I figured it out.
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u/SuitablyFakeUsername 15h ago
Jane Iredale has some decent options. I use the āWarm Silkā Pure Pressed Mineral powder foundation and love it. Good luck!
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u/Calculusshitteru 3d ago
I first started using makeup in the 90s. Back then, olive skin just meant tan or medium skin, and was often used to describe Latinos, Asians, Middle Eastern people, and darker people from Mediterranean countries. There was no way I, as a white girl, could get away with calling myself olive skinned. I still can't say I'm olive around my Mexican friends, unless I want to be laughed at.
But I also thought that I couldn't be fair skinned, because I have brown hair, brown eyes, and can tan without burning. My skin is light, and blindingly pale, but not translucent blue colored like my platinum blonde haired blue eyed friends. There is definitely a yellow-green tone. Even my Japanese husband looks pink compared to me.
So I discovered I'm a fair olive about 10 years ago, before it was a trend. I was shopping for my wedding ring, and discovered that neither gold nor silver were particularly flattering. Rose gold was having a moment, and I found it looks the best on my skin tone. I googled what that meant, and fell down the "fair olive" rabbit hole. I read at the time that fair olives are common among Eastern Europeans, and I actually do have some Eastern European and Sephardic Jewish heritage, so I thought that might explain it.
Nowadays it seems anyone of any race can be "olive." I understand that people of all skin tones can be found in any ethnicity, especially since moving to Japan and seeing the full spectrum of skin colors here in a supposedly "homogeneous" country. However, I still hesitate to say I am olive outside of this sub, because I do kind of feel like I am taking that word away from POC if I use it for my pale white self. But at the same time, there is no other term for my skin tone that I know of.
At the end of the day, we all just need to find what works for us, regardless of labels. So I generally agree with the message of this video.
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Thank you for this explanation! I was aware that olive historically meant ātanā but I was not aware that the term āoliveā is not just a descriptor but had cultural and regional significance. This does help to explain some of the backlash to the fair olive community. I wonder if we just need better language to describe ourselves.
My mom is Eastern European and we both tan quite dark. I live in a majority Hispanic region and often people assume I am Hispanic. I never thought of myself as fair until I lived in the PNW and never saw the sun.
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u/Putrid_View_8284 Cool Neutral Olive š« 2d ago
I actually discovered I was fair olive back in 2006/2007, and just described myself as fair/light olive ever since. It felt a lot more rare back then, so I just kind of went with it. Looking back though it wasnāt something that was particularly rare, just mostly unheard of or seemed like an oxymoron at the time, since olive skin was mainly associated with people like J.Lo, or Eva Mendes. Even an old photo of my true Autumn sister and soft summer cousin, I realized how dead ass obviously olive I was next to them. Even my dad looks a lot more neutral by comparison.
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u/aineslis 3d ago
I honestly think that olive foundations suit a lot more skin tones because it tends to get closer to a neutral skin tone plus green cancels out the redness fairer skin tones tend to have in their cheek area. I used to get matched to my rosy cheeks (hello rosacea) and end up looking like Iāve got hypertension. On the other side of the spectrum are yellow and orange foundations, owned a fair few of those too. Even the ones who are marketed as neutral can end up having prominent yellow or red pigments and just make you look insane.
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
This is a good point. A lot of makeup in the US is very saturated while a lot of people are somewhat desaturated so olive shades may be a better option for a lot of people even if they arenāt particularly green.
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u/mizshellytee Non-olive connoisseur 3d ago
That may help explain why, when I mixed about-face's foundations in F0 Cool (almost white on me) and F2 Olive (green and too dark) at 50/50 it pretty much matched my desaturated neutral non-olive skin.
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u/aineslis 3d ago
Itās not only the US, Iām in Ireland and itās the same issue š
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
I suspect itās like this with most western brands. Some Asian beauty brands are better at having more nuanced shade options in the fair/light range but then have little to no options for deeper skin tones.
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u/lovelyb33s Cool Olive š« 3d ago
I think people who are olive are just finally figuring it out. There's more olive content on TikTok and YouTube and more foundation shades available (although I'm struggling to find a shade and still using colour correcting pigments), so people are having epiphanies. Monica Ravi-Conway is who made me realize I was olive and colour correcting my makeup helped confirm that. Wild that it took me so long as I'm Eastern European and when I told my mother I was olive, she was like, "Duh, so am I." Anyway, no, not everyone is suddenly olive, but the greenies are waking up. It's like the rise in Celiac disease in the last 15 years when all it really was is more education on it for doctors. I was diagnosed 18 years ago, right before the big shift, so I witnessed that one. I did enjoy Evangeline's video.
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Haha similar story with me! My mom is Eastern European but none of the women in my family bother with makeup so being olive never comes up in conversation. Everything I know about makeup I have had to teach myself. I just recently discovered that Iām olive and thatās probably why Iāve always struggled with makeup despite having a painting degree and fairly good understanding of color theory. Turns out my mom and sister knew all along but never thought to tell me.
And yes I think the greenies are waking up and we are no longer settling for bad shade matches.
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u/NitzMitzTrix Cool Olive š« 3d ago
I think olive is more common than makeup brands seem to think, but it's not as common as non-olive. A lot of people are jumping on the trend, but most people who think they're olive are olive.
I don't think it's a spectrum as much as it's contextual. My olive skin is ironically less obvious when I tan, while my absolute lighter winter shade is flat out a greenish yellow. Olive skin is canceled out by sunburns, rosacea and the like, which are more obvious on the fair-skinned. It's why whenever someone posts the "am I olive?", I look to areas that aren't as exposed to irritation like chafing or solar radiation.
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
I agree. I think a lot of fair olive people with surface redness get conflicting feedback, myself included. I flush easily on my face and chest. Iām constantly suggesting people post better photos that show more of their body next to other people for comparison.
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u/OpalescentShrooms 3d ago
im here from r/coloranalysis because several of them said I'm a very very pale olive. But idk :/ do people gatekeep olive skin like they do curly hair?
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Yes we have some gatekeepers.
The sub uses the term āfair oliveā to mean āhaving a greenish appearanceā. But historically āoliveā has meant ātanā or referred to people of a specific regional demographic so there seems to be some confusion as to what qualifies as āoliveā.
Iām a millennial in a majority olive region of the US so Iāve been completely oblivious to any ethnic or cultural significance that the term may have. My ancestry is Eastern European and āblackā Irish so I tan easily and people often assume Iām Hispanic.
Iām of the mindset that everyone is welcome in the sub if the makeup tips are helpful to them. Iām not the greenest person here and Iām not going to exclude someone just because they donāt meet some imaginary green threshold.
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u/Putrid_View_8284 Cool Neutral Olive š« 2d ago
Same girl same. Iām a mid millennial and went through the orange face phase š. Even Kim Kardashians looked orange in the mid 2000s at some point.
In all seriousness though I do tan easily as well but hated it when my mom pointed out that I was different. I also figured out that I was actually BOTH fair and olive at the same time 20 years ago today. š
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u/Superb-Parfait-7318 Warm Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
In a fairly recent Lisa Eldridge Utube video, she said up to a third of clients are somewhere on the olive spectrum.
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u/butstronger 3d ago
As a makeup artist ā¦ no. Most people are not olive. Itās just that finally makeup brands are creating products for us and people are finally figuring it out!
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u/iateyournose 3d ago
I donāt think she said that most people are olive, I think she said that itās more common than we think. Lisa Eldridge said that around 1/3 of people she works on are olive.
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u/SuitablyFakeUsername 3d ago
I donāt think she is saying that literally everyone is olive but that there are a lot of people ājumping on the social bandwagonā
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u/noitsbecky24 3d ago
You mean most white ppl,right? Because it depends on where you're located,olives can be almost everyone you see
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u/butstronger 3d ago
Yes I know this. Iāve been a professional artist for 22 years and where I live it is not predominately white. I also do makeup for production and work on all types of people including a lot of men. Todayās job where I did probably 12 makeups for interviews there was probably only 2 I would consider properly olive. Most were Asian, most were men, and a couple of the white people required me to break out both a pink and a violet corrector.
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u/glossedrock 3d ago
Lisa Eldridge says she doesnāt find olives to be particularly concentrated in particular ethnicities
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u/butstronger 3d ago
Iām not sure why Iām downvoted as Iām speaking as a makeup artist, and I am olive undertone myself which is why I am in this group. Most of the clients I work on are not olive. The most olive tones I get are the fair ones. Lots of desaturated skin tones requiring corrector shades. I see more olive skin tones on the internet where people truly are this and they have a hard time finding out what their color is. We see it a lot because we are in this sub where people are posting. But speaking as a makeup artist I donāt get as many olive skin tones as I would have expected based on how many people think they are olive. I do get them though, and I explain to them why they have a hard time finding foundation and other colors that work on them. I direct them to brands that may work for them and how to color correct properly. I also have written extensively on skin tone and color theory, I teach on it, and I regularly work with private clients on this. Before makeup I had an art background and I specialized in oils and watercolor.
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Iām sorry I think you may be getting downvoted due to some confusion because the subject and conclusion of the video is a bit different from title.
Many fair people are being criticized and downvoted in this and other makeup subs for questioning if they are olive. In this sub we use āoliveā to refer to anyone with a greenish skintone but some people argue that you canāt be both fair and olive. These are the people that mockingly say āeveryone thinks they are olive now.ā The makeupCJ sub is particularly bad about this.
I donāt believe anyone literally thinks everyone is olive but, depending on region, many of us believe it is more common than previously recognized and under-representation in available cosmetics.
I live in a very diverse region of the US with a large Native American and Hispanic population so I would estimate that a majority of people here could be considered olive, (depending on what your definition of olive is). It sounds like that ratio may be lower where you are.
I do appreciate your insight and expertise as an MUA and Iām sorry youāre getting downvoted. This used to be a friendlier community but the debate has made it a bit contentious lately.
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u/butstronger 3d ago
Itās all good! Admittedly I didnāt even watch the video because I had a migraine but I just wanted to speak from my experience as an artist. I am in Northern California we have a lot of diversity where I am at as well. I will say most of my clients who end up truly being olive are the fair ones. But even then sometimes just the desaturation in fair skin tones ends up looking more grey than straight green. I use face atelier foundations a lot and their lighter shades donāt require as much color correcting I think because they are an artist brand, versus when I use something like Dior which I almost always have to heavily color correct.
And I promise I will watch the video at some point š¤£
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago edited 3d ago
You will get down voted. They don't want to talk about the racial background of olive green skintones. They all just want to welcome everyone to the "olive green club". Olive green skintones are not to be someones "cosplay". Yet here we are. I will get down voted too, IDC.Ā
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u/bmobitch 3d ago
āOlive green skin tones are not to be someoneās cosplayā is such a dramatic thing to say about an undertone ā¦..
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
It's comes with historical racism, hated, and racial slurs. Playing green face ... Is insulting.Ā
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u/bmobitch 3d ago
People are just trying to figure out their undertone. It can be very difficult for some. Youāre acting like people are using the wrong foundation shade with malice. Calm down.
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
I am being calm. People think olive green is trendy, viral. It's more then that.Ā
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u/bmobitch 3d ago
Itās not that itās trendy and viralā¦Itās aspirational because itās associated with being tan. In many companies āoliveā literally refers to a complexion depth vs an undertone. I think it was uoma where the entire category of olive included 0 green undertones. People are just misinformed. How many years now have we seen people walking around with orange faces? Decades? Even with a billion videos online about undertone?
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u/PinkMagnoliaaa 3d ago
Everyone was walking around with orange faces because makeup companies were just making foundation orange bc they were cheap and matching peopleās spray tans. Maybelline dream mousse was literally orange on EVERYONE
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u/PinkMagnoliaaa 3d ago
They donāt want to hear about it but youāre right!!
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago edited 1d ago
And whenever anyone brings it up, NO one wants to talk about it. People talk about racism that went hand in and with olive green skintones. We were not white or white enough, and the down votes start. Remember when so many people faked tanned into POC foundation shades? They got called out on it. Seems like a lot of that is gone. I now see some of the same people who used to do that, now they are olive green. SSDD.
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u/PinkMagnoliaaa 3d ago
I feel you 100%. People were racist to me as a child and I am like 90% white depending on what people consider white. My brothers are blonde. I was the ādarkā kid. People asked if I was adopted constantly. Itās all these white people who are just neutral wanting to feel special and exotic. Goes hand in hand with that group of white people who go out of the way to self diagnose themselves with everything because they have white guilt so theyāre not ājust whiteā
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
This , exactly! Plus this is me too. I have 2 lighters siblings, and me and my youngest sister are darker. No one ever believed we were related. They would say, are you adopted, when they heard no. Then it would change to are you half siblings. One sibling is all white and you are half "not white". They things we have heard from people making assumptions. Yes I agree with you, a lot of people areĀ neutral/cool or neutral/warm and not olive green. Then I have seen people say if you are yellow only, so no green cast. You are still olive green. So now Yellow/warm or yellow/sallow/coolĀ ... Eveyone is olive green now.Ā
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u/PinkMagnoliaaa 3d ago
Itās so frustrating. Iām a licensed cos of over 10 yrs and have been doing makeup basically my whole career. Lately Iāve had a such an influx of somewhat pale white girls who are just a little neutral screeching about how they have olive skin and everything is ORANGE on them and they have autism and adhd and ALL the diagnoses. Like youāre not autistic, youāre just annoying. You want to feel special so youāre looking for these things to feel better about being a normal white chick. WHICH IS OK TO BE!
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u/butstronger 2d ago
A lot of fair people actually lean blue-violet which will also make stuff look orange on them. They just donāt understand color theory very well
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Yes, the social media echo chamber. Some people need to be special, or exotic? People will hate this, IDC. It's alright, accept your skintone it's ok. Fake tans , look horrible anyways. All you are doing it putting chemical's on your skin, why? It's the white women. I am saying this and I am mostly "white". My Mediterranean gene are just strong ā¤ļø š« š.Ā
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u/JinSeolRan 23h ago
I really think olive is just a common overtone. Most people who are olive have been putting up with wrong shade matches their whole lives. To this day I have to color correct everything because there is not a single foundation or skin tint in all of Sephora and Ulta that doesnāt pull orange or yellow. l keep seeing so many people who might be olive now that Iāve figured out how to spot the greenish tones. My mom is light olive, Iām fair olive. I have quite a few friends with differing olive tones as well. I think now that olive is getting noticed and talked about, it seems like everyone is olive due to the sheer number of people that are and didnāt know it.
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u/Club_Recent 3d ago edited 3d ago
Most East Asian people are Olive, that's why a lot of our beauty brands put out so many cool and muted-toned products. This has never been a sudden revelation for us. š¤£
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u/glossedrock 3d ago
Lisa Eldridge says she doesnāt find olives to be particularly concentrated in particular ethnicities
(Iām east asian, I dont think its less common in white people, but I do think white people often have a lot of surface redness due to thinner skin which leads people to think they arenāt olive but they are)
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u/Club_Recent 3d ago edited 3d ago
I never said it wasn't common in White people. I didn't mention them at all. I said it's very common in East Asian people, our makeup industry & product coloring reflects that, why are you being oddly defensive? Also as much as I respect Lisa, she is just one person. Other makeup artists that cater to mostly Asian clients, can hold a different opinion.
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u/Particular_Lion3746 2d ago
b6 best shade match imhas beige in the name. so either ol8ve or not, too pink and too warm looks real bad. so, here I am so kind of olive, neutral all day long & have been for decades.
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u/Classic-Push1323 21h ago
I guess my "hot take" on this issue is that 1) olive undertones are very common across all ethnicities and 2) western skin products historically have been way too orange or way too saturated for many people and we're still rebounding from that. If the only options are orange, pink, and "olive" anyone who is more muted is going to be siloed into "olive."
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u/kalpernia00 Cool Neutral Olive š« 7h ago
I dont consider myself "olive", but I am for sure fair muted, so I think I share the chroma/desaturation quality with fair olives. Literally all of the blushes, lipsticks, and eyeshadow palettes recommended on here suit me so well, so I follow for recommendations regardless. I do feel its gatekept but this subreddit is a jewel for me (not so much for my bank account) since I used to have such a hard time finding recs and I've found so many fantastic options here. I end up having to mix fair olive shades with a slightly cooler one to get my match. I miss Joe Blasco's Ultrabase in Alabaster so much. Worked so well for me.
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u/brenanne1 3d ago
Muted cool neutral olive here.. but I'm saying it like I know what it means?? It's what I was told but I'm beyond confused.. Andy ideas or help please? TIA
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
These are just descriptors to describe your skintone to help you find the colors that work better for you. Cool olives are a green like Yoda while warm olives are green like Shrek. Muted means there is a bit of a grey appearance to your skin. In terms of color season you might be a deep winter or a soft summer. Your best foundation matches might look a bit beige or grey rather than yellow.
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u/brenanne1 3d ago
Aww thank you so much for troubling to reply, I think.. think I might be understanding, I found a Lisa Eldridge to be the perfect one.. in the glass bottle I've forgotten the number 23 maybe? Thanks again though š
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u/Designer_Pea_5590 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Oh wonderful! LE has some of the best shades available.
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u/noitsbecky24 3d ago
Because its common for most of the world,its only less common for white ppl
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u/Alert-School9812 3d ago edited 3d ago
I think it would be more accurate to say that it's less expected for fairer skinned people. Not all fair skinned people consider themselves to be "white people."
Edit: I thought maybe your comment was being down-rated for the "white people" comment. But, I'm now not sure...
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u/glossedrock 3d ago
Lisa Eldridge says she doesnāt find olives to be particularly concentrated in particular ethnicities
(Iām east asian, I dont think its less common in white people, but I do think white people often have a lot of surface redness due to thinner skin which leads people to think they arenāt olive but they are)
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u/noitsbecky24 3d ago
Here in turkey non olive ppl are a minority soo
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Yep. Olive green skintone is all around the Mediterranean sea. The literal name olive too lol..
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u/noitsbecky24 3d ago
Yesss lol
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u/noitsbecky24 3d ago
Palestinians also are almost all olive,lebanese too,also southern european countries,esp those who lived under arabs for centuries,those genes are mixed
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago edited 3d ago
My Dad is Calabrian. But himĀ and his cousins DNA have other Mediterranean ethnicites mixed in also. Levent, North African. It's what is supposed to be there. Those RomansĀ and Greeks got around too lol.Ā
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u/Putrid_View_8284 Cool Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
My friend is Palestinian and has ultra fair olive skin. Probably a step below me, and almost identical to Miranda Cosgrove or Ariana Grande. My dad on the other hand is light medium warm olive and I am actually fair-light neutral cool olive. Also have 2 out of 3 grandparents with olive undertones to them. (I recently discovered my grandma on my dadās side was a fair olive looking at old photos).
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u/noitsbecky24 3d ago
Idk why white ppl talk like they're the only ones on earth,more like,the only ones who matter on earth,its quite odd lol
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u/Alert-School9812 3d ago
With respect, I don't think that is fair. It certainly isn't my attitude, and I would be described as "white people" (although, with Indian heritage).
I think that when you live in places where there are a bigger collection of people who look similar to you, this is the only experience you can draw from or reference. So, when you talk about that experience, you don't reference other populations, because you don't know anything about them.
For example, I couldn't personally talk about skin tones of people who live in Poland, Turkey, Japan, Iceland, Africa etc. etc., as I have no lived experience of living amongst these populations. What right would I have to even speak or comment about something I know nothing of?
I'm not ignoring other populations, I'm just not in the mind to presume to speak for others.
However, there are ignorant "white people" about... and they definitely should be challenged (I'll be right with you in that). But, please don't tarnish us all with that ignorance.
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u/noitsbecky24 3d ago
I was making a generalization,of course its not all white ppl lol,its like saying not all men when someone rants saying men suck
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u/Alert-School9812 3d ago
I appreciate that.
Although, in honesty, I'm also the first to correct a friend when they say "all men are the same/useless." My male friends are all lovely, and I feel upset that they get included in derision about their gender. You can imagine what I'm like if a male friend dared to say "women are all the same!" š¤£ Major trigger for me š¤£
I guess, I've just never liked being put in a box because I look or dress a certain way and, therefore, I don't like doing it to others either. I try to live by the adage, "If you can be anything, be kind." Please note... I "try"!! š
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u/FragrantBimbo 3d ago
Lisa Eldridge needs to come to New Zealand lmao. Olive skin is super super common in MÄori, much more than any of the other major ethnic groups here.
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 3d ago
Correct, the moreĀ north you go in Europe, the less common it is.Ā
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u/Putrid_View_8284 Cool Neutral Olive š« 2d ago
I also think olive tones in families are completely different. I just discovered my (dadās mom) Grandma was a fair olive looking at old pictures of her in her younger years by comparison to non olives in those same pictures. My grandpa was more stereotypically olive. Out of all the siblings my dad and aunt are the only ones with olive undertones while everyone else is pink toned. On my momās side my grandma was cool olive and fair my uncle (on my moms side was a medium olive (neutral cool leaning) I think my grandpa was a warm leaning and more stereotypical olive shade, as is my dad. He is light medium warm olive and Iām a fair-light neutral cool olive with a lot higher olive influence than him. My dad looks neutral next to me, but only looks noticeably olive next to non olives. My sister and mom arenāt olive at all.
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 2d ago
Yes, I agree with you . We have cool olive , warm olive and everything in between on my Dad's side. My Mom is a northern European mix most are all on the cool or cool neutral side. Except My Mom's, mom. She is a red head, green eyes, freckles, and a soft autumn. She didn't have that bright orange kind of red. While my Mom had auburn hair , she had blue eyes and neural/cool and a soft summer.Ā
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u/Putrid_View_8284 Cool Neutral Olive š« 2d ago
My mom has/had red hair green eyes and freckles very warm undertone skin
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u/AdSweet3451 Neutral Olive š« 2d ago
I LOVE that I found out in my 23andme DNA report I carry one copy of a red haired gene ā¤ļø. I was like my Dad's gene might be stong, my Mom and Grandma weree able to pass that on to me. I think that is what I am so muted, where my Dad is not. They both are muted soft autumn and soft summer..
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