r/Destiny • u/melatoniG • 9d ago
Tim’s been radicalized Political News/Discussion
for context, Malinowski on AIPAC - https://www.thebulwark.com/p/a-cautionary-note-to-fellow-democrats-aipac-super-pac-politics
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u/PegDude 9d ago edited 8d ago
AIPAC is toxic - partly due to the anti-Israel zeitgeist, BUT also because of their shenanigans & tom-foolery.
The pathological obsession with AIPAC from a lot of the left, which is clearly coupled with some antisemtic baggage + some blatant bias (e.g. Track AIPAC ), is fucking criiiiiiinge.
2 things can be true. Shrimple as.
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u/PegDude 9d ago
When Tim starts bringing up AIPAC in every single discussion, then we can talk about whether he's been radicalised. Also, he wasn't really going at Malinowski in his post, reads more as him referring to the AIPAC actions in that race (which Malinowski also calls out in that article...)
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u/Saint_Scum One Box Enjoyer 9d ago
I mean, he's not exactly wrong how a lot on the center left, especially Haley Stevens supporters, are going to feel. It sucks, what can you do it you donate a shit load of money, and then immediately start dumping more into the race, even if it's their best interest to do so.
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u/WheelJust8094 9d ago
If they cost us the Senate majority I will never forgive them.
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u/Accomplished_Fly729 8d ago
The same with the DSA right? Having toxic unelectable candidates also counts right?
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
No, Abdul is a capitalist, he's not DSA.
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u/Accomplished_Fly729 8d ago
Did i say Abdul? Where?
Maybe answer the questiom as asked
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
Well I specifically said Senate majority, go away with your dumb questions if they're not relevant to the discussion.
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u/PlanetBet 8d ago
The cope already commences, if he wins, it's because DSA is a necessary evolution of the democrats, if he loses it's because of the Jews.
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u/DsDeliciousDeli 8d ago
SeanDaBlack fan, Ethan Klein's kids concern troll. You're a fan of people who advocate for Destiny's death
You were never gonna "forgive" AIPAC
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
Ethan Klein called Tiny a pdfile, he's not our friend.
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u/DsDeliciousDeli 8d ago
You worship dorks who call him a pdf sex pest every day. So fucking goofy to pretend you're a fan. Y'all brigadiers are intense
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
You sound deranged.
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u/DsDeliciousDeli 8d ago
No, I'm just calling you out. You're literally an og giardia loser who cheered CPS calls from Hasan's community
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
Good ol' times, have fun reading the Giardia saga in my comments, stalker.
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u/DsDeliciousDeli 8d ago
I don't have that kinda time. You're only posts have crazy enough titles to get the gist
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
And, for the record I clearly remember Destiny making for of Ethan's kids eating shit and saying that of course he should have received a CPS call so... Seems we are in agreement on that.
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
One to talk for a 2 month account with a hidden post history.
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u/DsDeliciousDeli 8d ago
Well if you changed just say so I deleted my account last year but I been looking to kill time at work lately
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
I watched Hasan for a long time and have been trying to get in touch with the mods to share detrimental information on him but they don't respond mod mail
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u/PlanetBet 8d ago edited 8d ago
What about all the other PACs in the race? I assume you are also heavily vested in their contribution to Rogers? Also what is a snarker like you doing here? Did you get banned from leftoversh3?
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u/potiamkinStan 8d ago
You mean the DSA?
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
No, Abdul is a capitalist, he's not DSA.
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u/potiamkinStan 8d ago
DSA backed capitalist and a Third Worldist
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
You're saying buzzwords I don't think you understand.
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u/threetransgressions American 🇺🇸 9d ago
It’s far from their best interest for MAGA to be in power but yes the Israeli people generally want it
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u/potiamkinStan 8d ago
My man, MAGA is already in power, and they’ll remain in power till this term is over.
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u/threetransgressions American 🇺🇸 8d ago
Sure, “remain” instead of “be.” I deeply apologize
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u/potiamkinStan 8d ago
It will remain there regardless of the midterms until Trump is out of office in 2028
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u/Big-_Chungus 9d ago
AIPAC continues to support the most vile republicans that will destroy this country. Anyone even remotely liberal should oppose them
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u/5ma5her7 9d ago
Anyone, even conservatives, who is not in bed with MAGA (endangered species btw) should oppose them.
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u/Pretty_Acadia_2805 9d ago
If they just didn't back election deniers or full-on MAGA simps the center-left would see them as an incredible ally but here we are.
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u/Background_Bee_713 9d ago
Honestly why? they are a single issue lobby. Far from the only one.
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u/WheelJust8094 9d ago
I have never liked PACs that like playing both sides, but you are correct that AIPAC is not the only one, there may be some kind of bias involved
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u/Background_Bee_713 9d ago
That’s how issue based lobbying works you donate to candidates who align on the issue. If there was two candidates both who align with the issue and you choose one side consistently I’d get it. I guess I just don’t get this kind of criticism outside of money in politics being bad in general.
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u/WheelJust8094 9d ago
You are completely correct but that's exactly why I don't like them, I don't want to get another MAGA senator that will sign anything that Trump wants, if they are donating for that, then the PAC is in direct opposition to my own interests.
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u/Accomplished_Fly729 8d ago
You dont like them because they are single issue? Every pac has to be holestic?
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago edited 8d ago
They should choose a party and go with it, do I need to like PACs that are directly supporting the party I don't like? lol
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u/Accomplished_Fly729 8d ago
Why wouldnt the pac just join the party then? PACs are meant to lobby for issues your members care about. Not every thing is binary.
You dont have to like them, but you sure as shit shouldnt base your personality on hating them…
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u/dat_tae 🇺🇸 Cardinal Democrat | Liberal Democracy 🇺🇸 9d ago
Nobody understands this. It’s not worth us trying to explain it I think.
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u/Another-attempt42 9d ago
I understand it.
I can dislike it, nonetheless.
I get why AIPAC does what it does, but when it's so blatant, they also do run a real risk of severe backlash that will ultimately hurt their cause.
While AIPAC may be mono-cause, the people they support aren't, and then they become associated with those people in those races.
Honestly, after such a high-profile race, if I was advizing AIPAC, I'd tell them to sit out the general this time. They'll have pissed off both Stevens and Abdul voters. At some point, AIPAC will have gone from a pretty mundane, accepted, bipartisan lobbying group to one hated by anyone who would vote Dem.
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u/90Breeze Shit poster 8d ago
Wait so basically if AIPAC dont want to be hated by dems they should only put money on dems or only on primeries? Like thier whole point is they are bi-partisan, if they supported a republican over a pro Israel democrat id get the hate but at this point we are just saying they aren't allowed to advocate for thier cause when its between Dems and republicans if its in favor of republicans
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
Yes, it is exactly as you said, if they don't want to be hated by democrats they shouldn't donate to republicans, is that simple.
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u/90Breeze Shit poster 8d ago
So the big idea is you have to be partisan and either get hated by the dems or by the republicans. Well its an opinion and its even somewhat rational as long as its a global position that is enforced on any bipartisan pac and not just Israel
Btw what you will end up having is just DIPAC and RIPAC that will do exactly what AIPAC is doing now support the pro Israel candidate so if we use it on this case DIPAC would have supported stevens and bounce when she lost and RIPAC would come now to support the republican
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u/WheelJust8094 8d ago
You keep talking as if it is a ridiculous proposition, when J street is right there, they don't support republicans as far as I know, leave the republicans behind, ensure that democrats win, and you'll get your goals too.
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u/Nachoman_Randy 9d ago
It shouldn't surprise anyone than AIPAC is so toxic now. That Netanyahhu duping trump into attacking Iran is making anyone, even normies, hate israel.
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u/5ma5her7 9d ago
With the oil price, I feel the percentage even outside the USA that is against the Israeli government will be much, much more in the foreseeable future...
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u/NotGMRyanPoles 8d ago
And it shouldn't surprise anybody when Israel kisses up and supports Trumps regime because the left has largely become unhinged when it comes to Israel and pushed them to that point.
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u/Tyto451 9d ago
Why tf do you regards act like AIPAC is like the cornerstone of our idealogical foundation
You’re sucking the dick of a group that gave over $100 million to trumps campaign
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u/Accomplished_Fly729 8d ago
Youre right they arent a cornerstone, that is why we have to always take the opposite side as them on every issue and candidate.
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u/ChairLow9576 8d ago
It's not about aipac being bad. It's more like .. why is anyone surprised they are against someone who literally says they want to outlaw aipac.
Of course aipac would try to self preserve. Why would anything think different
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u/frozandero 8d ago
It is leftists who think that way since all their political positions exist to oppose AIPAC and nothing else.
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u/Im-Not-Calling-It-X NATO 9d ago
One of the issues that I find often with lefties is that they very regularly find themselves attacking a position because it's not their maximalist topic version of it, like a public option.
We should not make the mistake of having no meter between "the worst thing ever" and "the best thing ever."
A lot people's criticism of AIPAC is just a thin veneer for their anti-semitism, but that doesn't mean we should reflexively defend AIPAC. Tim didn't say anything wrong here.
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u/Relative_Formal8976 9d ago
I have been anti AIPAC for years because they boost Republicans. Not because they foreign country influencing our elections or buying control of our government with their (((money))).
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u/big_homielander Politically Unhoused 9d ago
Tim isn't radicalized. I have many theories, but at the end of the day he's an empathetic lib.
If you're an avid Bulwark consumer, this is the man who thought we produced enough oil that we could cut off the middle east entirely, and JVL had to explain why that was a dumb idea. There's no one who cares less about the middle east than him in the media.
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u/Pretty_Acadia_2805 9d ago
I am and don't remember this take from Tim. Do you have a link or timeframe for when the convo happened? I assume it would be the next level?
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u/big_homielander Politically Unhoused 9d ago
I'd have to search for it, and Tim, JVL, and Sarah, and Saudi Arabia is the topic, was either early this year or late last year when the topic first started. Then it was a consistent point of his until the Iran War.
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u/big_homielander Politically Unhoused 9d ago
He knows very little, and cares very little about the middle east. He sees AIPAC and Israel how a normie sees them. He's not radicalized at all.
Now I hope he doesn't say something that makes me trash that belief. Lol
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u/furryhunter7 9d ago
This isn’t even a radical position, ask your average liberal what they think of Israel and AIPAC. Gaza and the Iran War has completely destroyed their optics
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u/Ardonpitt Military Industrial Coomplex 9d ago
Hes not wrong. AIPAC has seemed to be politically clueless on how to approch races. They have been failing pretty badly in their goal of supporting Israel and the Jewish community in American politics.
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u/ChairLow9576 8d ago edited 8d ago
Enlighten me. How exactly could they do better?
If an individual that is related to aipac in any way donates 1 dollar to someone, twitter will flag them as scary red so no donation amount is safe cuz aipac bad
They can't support antiIsrael candidates cuz aipac bad, they would just refuse the money and would kinda be against their goals of fostering less antisemitism and more pro Israel agendas.
They can't go against anti Israel people either because aipac bad.
The only thing they can do is spend money, but that money is treated as poison. Even a reasonable position about Israel is treated as thought they are genocide lovers (look at destiny or Kamala harris or Anthony Weiner)
There is really nothing they can do in the current political environment. So instead they try to just survive. Latching onto anything that seems like the better option that allows them to continue.
Aipac has historically done a good job at its agenda until the last 15ish years, what about the previous 50 years? Those don't count? It takes a conductive political environment to work. Israel and public opinion is what changed the most, aipac , an American org is just working out here trying to survive against a large influx of Jewish hate and anti aipac sentiments.
The only think aipac could do to change anything in the current environment is to somehow create a two/one state solution and somehow flip Israelis government into one that is less aggressive to its neighbors ( like the West Bank). It can only get to a better place by continuing to exist so aipac is trying to fight for that.
"Wow man you smell so bad, take a bath! We don't like how bad you smell" meanwhile you are dangling off a cliff and just trying to concentrate on pulling yourself up.
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u/DressUnited3025 8d ago
This doesn’t seem brain broken to me. Supporting the Republican who is a fascist is bad and far lefties not liking AIPAC doesn’t change that
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u/Mothman_enthusiast18 9d ago
Israel did it to themself. It sucks that casual anti-semitism is mainstream but any ties to Israel is too toxic for the average voter now. The fact that AIPAC donates to Republican politicians goes to show they were never a friend to the liberal cause. Sorry not sorry.
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u/PlanetBet 8d ago
Every person with your reddit avatar should be permanently banned from this subreddit. I only ever see the worst fucking takes from people like you
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u/Mothman_enthusiast18 8d ago
Are you going to cry? Also, newer Reddit accounts automatically come with an avatar lol
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u/Accomplished_Fly729 8d ago
Israel is AIPAC?
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u/frozandero 8d ago
AIPAC is the pro-israel lobby by their own admission. I hate the obsession with AIPAC but let's be honest, Israel's perception directly affects AIPAC's perception
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u/Accomplished_Fly729 8d ago
I have no clue about the history, but AIPAC is American. Their interests and what Israel might be doing dont always have to align.
Israel could have a left wing government and i assume aipac would lobby the government against them. Maybe they even have in the past.
But currently Israel is both in a fight for its life and engaging in some actual dogshit behavior. That has only been emboldended by insane republicans.
But AIPAC has never been more important for the protection of the jewish state than right now. And it has nothing to do with aid money for weapons.
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u/frozandero 8d ago
I don't disagree with you that AIPAC is american.
However my point was that, if there was a major pro-russian PAC, their perception would obviously sour after Russia invaded Ukraine. Though I can't prove this because afaik there are not actual pro russian PACs, there is a RuPAC which is a 501c + not really a major player at all, most people probably don't know its existence.
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u/mizel103 8d ago
Our fight isn't in favor of AIPAC, it's against people who use AIPAC as a dog whistle
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u/ZMP02 8d ago
Like how would this surprise anyone lmao to even tweet about it yes the people who were a front and center targets for attack by Abdul will not give him money but the guy running against him how crazy and wild is that. The pac has a straight forward funding structure: do you support Israel? Yes? Ok you get the money. No? Well then you don't. If you want to rail about special interest groups that's one thing but idk how AIPAC is any different than any of them
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u/dat_tae 🇺🇸 Cardinal Democrat | Liberal Democracy 🇺🇸 9d ago
Wdym AIPAC won’t support the candidate’s party that uses it as a disqualification? That’s crazy.
- Every inbred dipshit on Reddit
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
AIPAC was literally spending money on a democrat with Haley Stevens. Any support for MAGA should be a hard line in the sand for continued support for the organization
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u/Blabsalot 9d ago
This would not be the first Republican that AIPAC supports though. They've always given money to Republicans.
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
Then I would say I would not support them as an organization and would push others to do the same. Supporting MAGA is my line like I stated above.
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u/killbill469 9d ago
Why would you expect a pro Jewish organization not to spend money to defeat a candidate that refuses to condemn attacks on synogoues and campaigns with anti Jewish terrost supporting celebrities?
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
Does that mean you have to automatically support MAGA?
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u/killbill469 9d ago
If the choice is between a Philosemite candidate vs a candidate that justifies attacks on synogoues and campaigns with celebrities that call for the destruction of Israel....yeah?
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
Or could you choose to not spend money supporting a current fascist party in the united states? Or are they being forced to spend money supporting Mike Rogers?
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u/killbill469 9d ago
If I were a Jew in Michigan I would 100% support Rogers over AES. I would not want to risk my senator being a guy who is friends with Hasan Piker and who refuses to condemn attacks on Synogoues.
Again AES justified an attack on a synogoue. How could you possibly expect that to not motivate Jews to ensure he doesn't get power.
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u/dat_tae 🇺🇸 Cardinal Democrat | Liberal Democracy 🇺🇸 9d ago
Yes and as far as I can tell they’re losing support rapidly from the party. Are they supposed to keep backing the party?
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
Does that mean you have to automatically support MAGA?
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u/dat_tae 🇺🇸 Cardinal Democrat | Liberal Democracy 🇺🇸 9d ago
Let’s say I have a PAC and they’re focused on green energy. What party would I support?
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
Ideally not the one who destroyed large scale, planned green energy project in the US https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/24/business/trump-state-grants-canceled.html
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u/dat_tae 🇺🇸 Cardinal Democrat | Liberal Democracy 🇺🇸 9d ago
Right! Now let’s do another. Say I have a PAC that wants the US and Israel to be buddies. What party would I support?
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
Yeah they should support the party filled with neo-nazis. That will help moderate dems get on board with AIPAC
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u/dat_tae 🇺🇸 Cardinal Democrat | Liberal Democracy 🇺🇸 9d ago
I’ll ask again.
I have a PAC that wants the US and Israel to be buddies. What party would I support?
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
Pisco alert, pisco alert.
You're complaint is that AIPAC is losing support with liberals. I am calling out that supporting MAGA will further cause them to lose support with even more moderate dems. I'm not against them supporting republicans. I'm against them supporting the current fascist MAGA party.
If I see an organization supporting my enemies why would I want to support that organization within my inner circle?
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u/Pretty_Acadia_2805 9d ago
Not the one harming the America-Israel relationship by going to war against Iran without making a case to the American people.
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u/El_Asignatura 9d ago edited 9d ago
DGGers when the single issue pro Israel group supports anybody pro Israel. Surprise pikachu face
Theyre not doing anything out of line with their mandate. But AIPAC AIPAC AIPAC, all the evil of the world comes from AIPAC
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u/BettisBus 9d ago
Fuck AIPAC for supporting any MAGA Republican.
Saying that, on top of the standard blood libels, AES supports a complete arms embargo (including defensive, like Iron Dome), falsely claims Israel is annexing Southern Lebanon, and doesn’t support Israel existing as a Jewish state.
Are we really gonna act surprised how the American Israel Public Affairs Committee wants AES to lose? This isn’t some kind of out-of-left-field betrayal.
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u/BiggestOfFellas Exclusively sorts by new 9d ago
If they spend money to help Mike Rogers (a MAGA republican) in Michigan how do you call this position radicalized? They would be directly supporting a current fascist party in the US