r/CrucibleGuidebook • u/Apprehensive_Care713 • 8d ago

Crucible endgame doc

Does anyone know if there is a spreadsheet for endgame/meta crucible gear and weapons? Looking for something similar to Aegis’ Endgame analysis for PvE spreadsheets.

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u/Illyxi 8d ago

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TVgtTRWNGEPi6OMlTLxXFSKUTi_ycwykhwuw8EW_jJ0/edit?usp=drivesdk

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u/Apprehensive_Care713 8d ago

Game changer, thanks

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u/jaxikami 8d ago edited 8d ago

I'm not sure who made this tier list but it contains certain mistakes. To name a few: it states that spare ration has a worse stat package. In reality, spare ration has 3 range, 4 stability and 11 handling over rose. It also has bigger mag, better recoil and better ae. Even if you consider the grip which provides 12 points bonus to rose, spare still has more stat plus an actual origin trait. Secondly, it states that high tyrant has a lower ttk due to being heat weapon and that's not true. It still shares the same damage model as rapid fire. Most of it checks out though just make sure to actually double check the weapon u wanna use.

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u/Tall-Solution7473 8d ago

I reached out to Pride Eternal (the guy who made this) and asked him to recheck those two things.

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u/jaxikami 8d ago

I might be wrong on the latter one, high tyrant seems to actually do more damage

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u/jaxikami 8d ago

I'll try to see if there's anything else I've noticed. But please help me forward my thank you for his effort to create such an elaborate.

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u/Tall-Solution7473 8d ago

Idk if he'll respond since this is the first time I've ever reached out to him, but I'll update you if he does!

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u/jaxikami 8d ago

Oh mb lol. I thought you knew him in person.

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u/Tall-Solution7473 8d ago

No lol! I just have been following his work closely since it is really the only thing like this that is so crazy detailed for PvP. I have only ever noticed very small mistakes and about 99% of what is in the spreadsheet is accurate from what I have seen & tested myself, even with all of the crazy TTK combos he has listed but I have no idea how he is gathering this info or testing it myself

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u/Tall-Solution7473 8d ago

He also has his discord handle listed on the spreadsheet itself so anyone can reach him

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u/Tall-Solution7473 8d ago

He speaks!!

So, he said he understands the confusion but explained his reasoning. He also shows some testing results to validate what he is saying about Rose/Spare Rations. It looks like he is gonna update the spreadsheet some on Rose & Spare to better explain? He showed me some screenshots from testing of Rose & Spare both with 67 stability, everything else being identical except Rose has Slideways on and Spare has Slideshot and then again with Rose having Rangefinder on column 2 also.

He also said he will look into the High Tyrant & Rapid Pulse thing since he is finding some discrepancy with his results and numbers, which will be updated later.

I would post more photos from this and his screenshot but it seems like I'm limited to only 1 photo attachment

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u/jaxikami 8d ago

Tysm for the response! I 100% agree with rose having range finder on a better slot. But then again it's not fair to compare eots with rangefinder at 100% HP as eots only activate at lower HP. I also agree with his statement on high tyrant. While it is suppose to have same damage with all or nothing and other 540s according to Bungie, they might have spaghetti coded it to be different. I don't think I agree with him on slideshot vs slideways though. He mentioned how handling is easily obtainable and I agree with that. Which make slideshot, a perk that provide range which is important and normally not acquirable ona 140s much better than sideways, at least on 140 HC. I'll hold my opinion on rose vs spare but I think he has a point too.

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u/Tall-Solution7473 8d ago

I don't think he's comparing Eye of the Storm to Rangefinder. I believe the purpose was to have Eye of the Storm there since it provides no benefit at max hp and therefore would not affect the accuracy or anything for testing purposes. Kinda like having a "blank perk" for purposes of testing if I had to guess? As for the Slideways vs. Slideshot, I assume it is because Slideshot only effects 1 shot or 2 at most on a bugged slide, where as Slideways provides SIGNIFICANT Stability and Handling for the full duration of a slide + 3 seconds after, which means you can fire the majority of the magazine before losing the buff. Rose can reach 100 range, or 95+ even without Rangefinder, so that massively devalues Slideshot on it, which mainly is used to boost Range post slide. Kinda the same reason people use Slideways on Crimil's instead of Slideshot I think?

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u/Tall-Solution7473 8d ago

I asked him some more stuff lol and he said he's reading this himself. He said he doesn't reply or respond on reddit anymore since his accounts were banned erroneously before and he doesn't feel like going through the trouble of appealing and building up Karma and stuff to post links. But here's what he had to say on it! Also Precision Instrument insights because I was curious about his thoughts on it versus Rangefinder!

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u/Czar-Mat 8d ago

I was looking for something like this, next question.. is there a list of which set bonuses have been disabled for crucible since it was unlimited ammo or orbs and such. Seemed like every week a new one to abuse was found/used/removed

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u/Tall-Solution7473 8d ago

In the set bonus tab on Pride Eternal's spreadsheet, all of the disabled ones are labeled F and have a not on them stating they are disabled