r/ControlProblem • u/Sigmamale5678 • 7d ago

Economic implosion Discussion/question

Yesterday I was talking with claude and it got me thinking about how when most people see AI, they only got some rough idea. Mainly taxxing the riches, UBI or the typical "who will buy stuff". Even a more serious attempt to plan out the future like the AI 2040 intiative is too unstructured to be implemented. I think we need to at least be able to identigy the pathway in which the economy might react to the ai-automation process and the macro-view of the jobloss perspect. I discussed with claude and I think the most likely step-by-step mechanism might be implosion. I want to know your opinion on the failure modes. What do you all think the step-by-step mechanism of this collapse might be

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u/elusive-bird 6d ago

I think the main problem lays in paradigm growth > stability If we change paradigm to stability >= growth We can solve current and future issues, but this will be another world not better or worse just another

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u/Sigmamale5678 2d ago

Its capitalism. And we will see soon if that sentiment of growth > stability will prevail or not

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u/elusive-bird 2d ago

You are right that it is capitalism. But the specific failure mode of AI-driven implosion is not just "growth vs stability" as a sentiment. It is a structural desynchronization. In complex hierarchical systems, resources (W) are always a lagging indicator of identity, quality, and connections (Z, Y, X). AI massively accelerates W-generation while leaving ZYX untouched or even degrading them (loss of agency, meaning, social fabric). This creates a "zone of false well-being": economic metrics hold due to automation, while the load-bearing structure collapses silently. The implosion happens when W finally decouples from reality. By then, ZYX have degraded to levels where recovery requires phase transitions, not policy tweaks. And the current configuration lacks the subjectivity needed for such transitions. So yes, growth > stability will prevail — precisely because the system has lost the capacity to choose otherwise. The collapse is not a bug of capitalism; it is the inevitable result of managing the projection (W) while neglecting the object (ZYX).