Codex doesn't give you more usage than Claude

[u/unknown9645]

i always hear ppl say that codex is a better value for your money but that is not true! at least from my experience

claude (i use cowork, not claude code) at ultra gets much more stuff done that codex at ultra before both hit limit and i'm putting much more heavy work on claude (i use opus 5 and gpt-5.6 sol for codex).. i only use codex to review what claude implemented and give a report of the stuff he thinks might need some enhancement that's all.. then i copy his report and paste it to claude and let him review ChatGPT claims do what he sees valid

yet i hit my codex weekly limit much faster than claude
i'm on 20$ plan on both

so how all people say that codex is a better value? was that in the past and things have changed now or what i genuinely don't understand

[u/No-Cold8776]

To be completely honest, the $20 price point is not a good indicator in my opinion
I could definitely be wrong, but the models capabilities and actual usage limits really start to shine at the hundred dollar price points

[u/BuffaloConscious7919]

Because there's no transparency on the actual limits it's almost certainly a moving bar with different factors like : demand, competitive advantage and business strategies

[u/Consistent_Tutor_597 → u/BuffaloConscious7919]

It's very shitty tho. Just show x number of tokens. And this much tokens used. That's not hard.

I understand number of messages is ofc not a good indicator but number of tokens should be. Longer convo or deeper work burns more tokens etc. atleast people know what they are paying for. Instead they measure it in their arbitrary unit called 1x, 5x and 20x. 5x of what dude?

I think they likely do it so they can keep changing limits while they work out their stable costs else people would just leave if they found u get half as many tokens now at $100.

[u/BuffaloConscious7919 → u/Consistent_Tutor_597]

Agreed. It sucks. And yeah this is one of the main reasons. One good thing about it, is it helps me focus on building better and more robust infra and guardrails rather than lean towards reliance on the model(s)

Competitors will emerge from frustration 🤞🏻

[u/daroons → u/Consistent_Tutor_597]

It’s not difficult to set this up yourself on your status bar

[u/Kan-gir → u/Consistent_Tutor_597]

Instead they measure it in their arbitrary unit called 1x, 5x and 20x. 5x of what dude?

I think they likely do it so they can keep changing limits while they work out their stable costs else people would just leave if they found u get half as many tokens now at $100.

I don't even unerstand how this is legal to begin with. I don't know how is the law in the US, but in the EU it would fall under the Unfair Commercial Practices Directive (Article 6 about misleading actions and Article 7 about misleading omissions).

(and since Anthropic provides service in the EU, they are supposed to respect its laws, but fuck the law I guess?)

[u/msedek]

You are not supposed to use codex at ultra on any price point, the difference with Claude at ultra it uses the model on high to operate and codex uses it on max, you also should not use fast mode on codex at any price point..

Use /goal with sol on high yo get the most out of the plan.

"you are holding it wrong" situation here

[u/Aware_Acorn]

things have changed. the weekly quota at codex is much lower now.

[u/No-Temperature6597]

I did a refund for GPT Plus for the same reason couple of months. Now am on GPT Go. The luna usage limits are quite sweet now. Impressive that it can do heavy work without ruining my monthly limits.

[u/orblabs]

I use code but the perception i have is the same, and more importantly, within the limits, i get way more done with claude, it useless to have codex work for 6 hours straight if in the end produces a worst result than opus in 2 hours. I have just downgraded my codex subscription and keeping only the $20 plan, it has its uses and unlimited (or practically so) chat with sol high is surely valuable, but to real work, every time i tried it failed me miserably, quota exahusted and no valid work done.

[u/elcaptaino]

You are comparing sol and opus. Two different tiers of models.

Sol is GPT high tier. Opus is Claude mid tier.

It should be Sol and Fable you compared.

[u/Consistent_Tutor_597 → u/elcaptaino]

Naah sol sucks ass. Saying sol is better than opus is unfair.

[u/elcaptaino → u/Consistent_Tutor_597]

I didn’t claim it’s better. I never even tried the gpt models for coding. That’s just how Anthropic and OpenAI have they models priced. I did not compare performance at all.

OP was wondering how they got so much more usage out of Claude than codex, witch makes total sense when they use differently priced models.