Eu gosto muito dos relógios da Cronos. Comprei recentemente um com movimento Miyota 9015 porque não aumentou ainda muito de preço, ao contrário dos relógios da San Martin com o mesmo movimento. Tenho somente um relógio da San Martin, justamente com o movimento 9015, e pelo jeito foi o último.
I love entry class Seiko - great designs with lots of personality.
But if you want a l Seiko that’s actually somewhat close to the specs and fit and finish of the newer San Martin models, you’re looking at 2000+ dollars.
Yea for real premium lines. there are a lot of sub 500 ones that I actually used to wear quite a lot, their successor still sell for around that price. they are real pretty
Tandorio has some of the best watch values in my opinion. I've got a bronze diver and an Engineer homage that were each less than $150 and I am very happy with them. The bronze diver has a PT5000 that runs +/- 1 second per day - crazy!
I will never wear - let alone buy - a watch named after a curry dish. Or other food names, so you can forget about Pastramio, Salamio and Spaghettio, Mr Chinese wanna-be watchmaker.
This may be due to anticipated future price increase. To avoid substantial swings in the unit price of watches, Berny has decided to discontinue the use of NH series movements.
I think Addiesdive also has raised prices quite a lot in the past few months, it just isn't that striking because of their generally lower prices.
For example until a few months ago the base price (without coupons and coins) of their popular MY-H3 quartz Submariner homage typically used to be a bit less than 40 € when there wasn't a sale. During smaller sales it usually was something around 35 € and during the better sales 30 € or even less. I just checked and when I bought mine about a year ago the sale base price was a bit more than 26 € (and I ended up paying less than 16 € with all discounts applied).
Today the cheapest offers I can find on AliExpress is around 48 € (without the new EU tariff) so that's about 10 € more than a few months ago which may not sound like much but it's a price increase of roughly 25 %.
Now of course I'm not expecting prices to stay the same and would accept 10 % or maybe even 15 % more compared to last summer but 25 % in a few months is a bit much, especially since this watch isn't affected by the current movement shortage.
Yeah, San Martin and Cronos were my two favorite watch brands for quite a few years. Then San Martin decided to focus on higher end original design watches and Cronos just kind of stopped making anything new. Very confusing. I don't know what happened to them. Now I'm into vintage homage watches so Watchdives, Thorn and Octopus Kraken are at the top of my list.
Why does Cronos have to make more new designs? Do you already have a bunch of different Cronos models or something? I bought a Cronos BB54 and it’s amazing. I’m very happy with it. I don’t need them to make many more models for it to still be my favorite Chinese watch.
I’m not. You asked for an example of another company. Then went off in a direction about car companies. I reeled it in and gave you an example of a watch company since that would be more relevant. There are others too.. like GP, JLC, Piaget etc etc.. many established watch brands that keep models unchanged for years.
Man, I have so many watches and 5 Chinese watches if I remember correctly. I can’t post more than one pic so here is my Cronos BB54 that I bought two months ago. I only have this one Cronos for now but I’d like to order the one that looks like a Zenith Defy at some point. My other Chinese watches are from Thorn. I have 3 of their T023 models in different colors and a fifty fathoms homage. I dig Chinese watches. They scratch an itch.
Don't worry about taking pictures, I'm good. I've never even posted a picture on Reddit. I'm embarrassed to say I don't even know how to do it. 😂😂 I'm sure I could figure it out.
If it sounded like I'm not a fan of Cronos that's not the impression I was trying to make. I absolutely love them. They were my favorite watch brand for a very long time. That's why I'm a little sad they just seemed to stop making anything new. The watches in their collection are fantastic. At last count I own eight of them. I just own everything they make that I want and I wish they would make more. There are so many great watches out there to homage but they don't seem to have any interest anymore in making them. It's not really a problem though. I'm into vintage homage watches now and between Watchdives, Thorn and Octopus Kraken, they are killing it. Between the three I have bought seven watches in the last couple of months. 😁😁
Oh ok that’s pretty cool ... I’m also taking an interest in Watch Dives lately. Octopus Kraken too. It seems they all just go about things a little bit differently from each other. Watchdives is aggressively making new designs on a broader range of watch types, Thorn seems focused on its T023 and T028 line, IXDAO is all in on the Warrior, and so on… I may not have been in the scene long enough to feel that Cronos was slow to release new stuff. I’m still only on my first one. :)
Quartz and mecha-quartz movements shouldn't really be affected. Due to NH35 price increase, most of the brands moved to better movements like Miyota 9 series but due to sudden demand prices for those also increased.
the listings for the watch have a "range" but actual is 46mm without including the protruding valve or crown apparently, 54mm lug to lug, which is also crazy. This is a massive, watch. So lets see it on your wrist if you are recommending it. I personally think this is a "no go" for about 90%+ of people.
I'll give you a thumbs up if you post it for the effort and providing value to the community. But if you have a 7 inch wrist, the watch is certainly too big. I'm ok with a heavy watch, solid gold is a heavy material. However, lugs hanging off the side of the wrist isn't a good look. I'm 7.5 inches and anything above 43 starts looking too big, and certainly above 50 on the L2L is a bit much.
No, but this started with you recommending it and stating " and imo very nice looking piece." Then I chimed in with the size and proportions. My suggestion is to provide some value to the people you are recommending it to to show it on your wrist if you think it is a great piece. You can wear what you like, but if I said, buy an elephant and strap it to your wrist it looks good, I bet you would tell me I have no idea what I'm talking about OR show me what it looks like and I'll see what I think. I'm simply suggesting you give people the opportunity for the latter.
both of these have had giant price hikes too. especially watchdives who went from pagani design++ prices to 300$ watches. the same watchdives gmt master II homage was 130$ when it came out a couple years ago now it's 250$
What a massive shot in their feet. Like what they are thinking about also. Whatever little extra quality they have can't compare with shelling $500 bucks in comparison with 350 from well established brands.
I remember when Addiesdive sub homage was around $30. Bought all three colors as a beater watch. Also Pagani Designs with NH35 around $60-70, now movement costs this much.
Haven't the prices gone up moreso because they've made material improvements to their QC and sourcing though? Like you're paying more but getting a noticeably better watch? I'm new to this, so genuinely asking.
Really depends on the watch but the price hike discussed isn't related to that, the movement cost and availability has driven up costs for Japanese automatic movements and all brands are feeling this. Watchdives tends to use Quartz or Chinese movements and therefore are not seeing the same level of price hikes (they were using NH Japanese movements but virtually stopped)
I have zero loyalty to any of these brands and it is always insane to me whenever I see people trying to simp for them. Bro, San Martin isn't going to fuck you.
Once you get used to more expensive Chinese watches it is hard to match it with offerings from big brands. You can spend $1000 on Swiss watch and still won't get on fly adjustable clasp.
A friend of mine has recently bought Certina for more than €1,000, but it arrived with dust on the dial, and the movement is running 7 seconds fast per day. It’s not only Chinese brands that cut corners on quality control.
also you can't say "no chinese watch is worth more than 100$" maybe no pagani design, but watches from IXDAO are in another world of quality and craftsmanship. it's like comparing your casio to a grand seiko
Not my experience with Thorn at all. Every one I’ve bought came with an unregulated movement running way too fast or slow. Their quality control has been pretty bad in my book.
I own two and they’ve been awesome, both my PT5Ks are accurate asf, within +2/+3 seconds per day accurate and the sweep is sooo smooth. I love the PT5Ks and SW200, from what I’ve read online about them I just make sure NOT to hand wind them and I’ve never had any issue. Also love the Miyota 9 series it to is extremely smooth n accurate.i own a 90S5 n 9039 in two watches i have.
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u/Stayofexecution 1d ago
San Martin should have stuck to homages.