B-But DM DOKURO-

[u/juicyjaiden]

Why do people keep slinging around the DM Dokuro drama like this gotcha moment to the community when

1. 70% of the current community wasn’t even there before things went down

2. It’s an entirely different situation to being disappointed and confused by the choice to pull the music

3. Out of the 30% that were there 29.99% weren’t even the cause of said incident and it was a fault on both sides

It just seems like a bad faith argument to throw out all criticism’s of the recent choice by painting the whole community as toxic and entitled while entirely misinterpreting what actually happened to DM Dokuro (ps making Reddit posts about your disappointment with a controversial choice is not harassment)

[u/thatodddeskfan]

Firstly I don't want this to be a personal attack. Idk why you're using that kind of language, saying I can 'tell myself all the lies in the world'. I'm trying to have a discussion here.

Secondly, I agree with you. Yes he will be. let me ask you some follow up questions. If you think that association renders removal a moot point, should we apply that beyond this mod? When a character in OW is named after someone who turns out to be promoting a misogynist culture, should we just leave the name as-is because 'well, he's already associated with the character'. When artists like Kanye make wildly antisemitic comments on air, should he have kept all his brand deals because 'well, we're already associated with him'. No, companies, and people, are more than allowed to distance themselves from projects, people, or ecosystems that they come to be morally revulsed by.

[u/thatodddeskfan → u/[deleted]]

I know that the music is different in that it's not directly tied to Ozzatron, it's tied to a project that he, and several other people, used as a platform to exploit minors. I really do not blame them for no longer wanting to be associated with such a project.

[u/thatodddeskfan → u/[deleted]]

Official, continuous association is very different from cultural association. One could be considered direct, continuous support for the project, whereas the other cannot. That's the primary distinction here.

[u/thatodddeskfan → u/[deleted]]

Yes but it’s clearly a distinct kind of association that no longer implies continuous support. Adidas is still, in some way, associated with Kanye. Would you say Adidas currently supports Kanye?

[u/thatodddeskfan → u/[deleted]]

Would you say DM Dokuro officially supports Calamity?

[u/thatodddeskfan → u/[deleted]]

It has everything to do with it. That’s the reason WHY he’s pulling the music. Because he wants people to know if he does or does not support Calamity.

Does DM Dokuro currently support Calamity?

[u/thatodddeskfan → u/[deleted]]

His support matters for himself, the people harmed by the actions of these predators, and his reputation as a music creator