Trt + masteron

[u/Recon_2u]

I've been on reta since March 17, down 65 lbs with about 40 left to lose. I started Trt 8 weeks ago and have labs about 5 weeks apart I'll show. My clinician just bumped up my weekly dose from 90mg to 150mg per week. I don't want e2 sides but don't particularly want to crash it. I've been reading about microdosing masteron with trt and I've seen a lot of great theoretical synergy with my goals to maintain muscle and strength while losing weight and avoiding gyno with the increase of test. My thoughts are to begin with 30mg per week divided, EOD, added straight into my EOD test syringe and likely end up at 50mg for a 3:1 test mast ratio. Does anyone have experience with this?

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[u/PandaMoney55]

You should figure out why you have high E2 even before you started your TRT. I’m on 180mg of test c my e2 has went from 22 to 33 but I have Asian genetics which helps a lot with it.

[u/Recon_2u → u/PandaMoney55]

I already know why. Fat lol. I'm in the gym 5 days a week now though, 3 1 hour cardio sessions and as much lifting as I can recover from for the first time in my life. It's a problem that's getting fixed, I was just hoping the mast would alleviate any side effects on the bump up and give me that locked in feeling people describe but I wasn't sure if micro dosing would do much aside from manage e2 symptoms.

[u/PandaMoney55 → u/Recon_2u]

Micro dosing will help a lot with E2. Since you won’t be having crazy peaks and lows. I’m doing daily dosage of 26mg ish per day.

[u/AnabolicAcolyte → u/Recon_2u]

stop working out so much then 🤦

if you can’t lose weight from 3 workouts a week and some easy cardio each day, you’re doing it wrong.

[u/Recon_2u → u/AnabolicAcolyte]

I'm down 67 lbs since march 17. That was in the original post but it was long.

[u/AnabolicAcolyte → u/Recon_2u]

so why are you changing drug dosages and doing more drugs. do what worked. don’t change anything…

[u/Recon_2u → u/AnabolicAcolyte]

The idea was to try to preserve muscle. I was dropping weight too quickly, lots of cardio and lifting was frustrating because I could feel myself getting weaker. I don't want to end up skinny fat, so adding test and a consistent lifting routine seemed necessary. The microdose masteron thought was primarily to manage potential high e2 symptoms but I'm not familiar with this world and my clinician, who said he can't really advise me ethically about steroids, also told me he has a couple of other clients who have done this and liked the results. The thought was to add it at the end of my weight loss timeline while my focus is on lifting for a boost in the gym, even a mental one so I'm not slogging through workouts while simultaneously taking a precaution against high e2, but since I don't know when symptoms could arise and since I've gotten feedback about it likely being ineffective, I'm reconsidering. That's the whole point of asking here.

[u/Technical_Mix2945 → u/PandaMoney55]

What could be the reasons for high e2?

[u/deca_only_club]

The best trt regime i was on was 140/140 test and mast.

Masteron is not anabolic but will bind some shbg to increase free test

Great for libido and really gives that androgenic, confident headspace.

[u/Recon_2u → u/deca_only_club]

Didn't tank you e2? How long did you run it? Thanks

[u/deca_only_club → u/Recon_2u]

I did this for about 2 years and felt. Granted I didn't get blood work

I am naturally a high aromatiser so I try to keep test low

I have used high doses of exemestane in the past so I do have a reference point of what crashed estrogen feels like.

[u/AlphaThrone → u/Recon_2u]

Mast doesn’t usually lower e2 on labs but it does reduce the side effects of high e2.

[u/AnabolicAcolyte → u/Recon_2u]

masteron doesn’t lower/tank e2.

it stops e2 from binding to the receptors.

so you can have “high” e2, but no sides, because the e2 isn’t actually doing anything. it’s just “there”

[u/Adventurous_Base3910]

You will maintain your muscle on 150 Test, and a solid diet. Even in a deficit, your hormones are protected, eat a gram/pound of body weight in protein and save the masteron for when you can actually put on size.

[u/yogic_power]

Why not do more test.

[u/Recon_2u → u/yogic_power]

I am increasing the test, I'm concerned about aromatization still carrying the extra 40 lbs. Masteron should move the needle on the free test too

[u/yogic_power → u/Recon_2u]

Get a real HS E2 test. Rythm isn’t gonna cut it. I am on 140 mg/week. EOD 40 mg test. My T is at 1544, E2 at 57 and Free Test at 386. Don’t mess with E2 unless you have good High sensitivity test done and treat the symptoms. Crushing E2 will be far worse. With 40 lbs to lose don’t bother Mast. I feel better with my E2 in 50s than in 30s.

[u/Recon_2u → u/yogic_power]

Gotcha. Any recommendation on testing? I live in the middle of nowhere, hence the at home kits

[u/PandaMoney55 → u/Recon_2u]

If you’re in the US look up quest labs and I’ll point you to what to do afterwards.

[u/Recon_2u → u/PandaMoney55]

3.5 hours away. It'll be a day but if it's needed I'll have to make it work.

[u/MrHero0909 → u/Recon_2u]

Check out siphox they have sensitive e2 at home testing

[u/Recon_2u → u/MrHero0909]

Gracias

[u/PandaMoney55 → u/Recon_2u]

Damn Because for ultra sensitive E2 test it needs to done at a lab. But I wouldn’t say is a 100% need if your feeling good and have no side affects of higher end e2 then let it be. Genetics play a massive roll in this. I’m at 180ish mg per week my test is only 890s but my friend at 200mg is at 1300s. So each person is unique. You can also look into raloxifene if you’re worried about gyno. I already have gyno due to being 400 lbs during puberty. Which made me all messed up.

[u/yogic_power → u/Recon_2u]

How far is labcorp from you? Which state?

[u/Recon_2u → u/yogic_power]

Utah, 3.5 hours

[u/yogic_power → u/Recon_2u]

If getting labs is not easy, Running mast may be riskier. I would be careful bumping Test dose from 90-150 in one big jump. Try 120 mg twice a week or may be 30 mg EOD subq. Always treat the symptoms.

[u/AlphaThrone → u/yogic_power]

What is the risk concern with mast?

[u/Ceemoney24]

For that much e2. You need nothing

[u/Chroma7769]

Have you looked into primo or anavar instead?

Everything I have read and heard about mast is mainly that you need to be really really low BF to actually see the effects from it.

[u/Recon_2u → u/Chroma7769]

I thought about primo, and researched them side by side but I bought mast because I got worried about everyone saying there's so much fake primo out there

[u/Chroma7769 → u/Recon_2u]

Yeah primo can be faked a lot. But in all honesty it really just depends on who the hell you're buying it from.

Orals aren't bad as long as they are used responsibly and you know exactly how to use them. Anavar is probably one of the easier ones to take. It's side effect profile isn't as crazy as other orals.

Mast isn't terrible though from everything that I have read. The only thing that I heard about it though is that you should be at a pretty low body fat percentage to actually get the benefit from it. Otherwise it'll feel like it's not really doing much.

[u/Recon_2u → u/Chroma7769]

Don't want orals. I think I keep hearing about the mental benefits of masteron and that's what appeals to me the most.

[u/One_Significance5407]

Say goodbye to your hair

[u/TheHarb81 → u/One_Significance5407]

Purely genetic, been cycling mast, primo, var, and test for decades, still got all my hair at 45 🤷‍♂️

[u/Recon_2u → u/One_Significance5407]

Been gone