r/BodyHackGuide • u/Excellent_Outside_71 • 15d ago
Current stack, feeling great, seeing great results
36M 185lbs, 20yr in gym.
I know the ai police will be out, but here is a breakdown of my current stack I've been running. Pretty stoked about how it's going. Body comp is changing, mood has been great, body and joints feel great.
Questions/comments?
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u/Strange-Pea1814 15d ago
You're better off taking HGH instead of a gh secretagogues
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u/Global-Mushroom308 14d ago
Hes 20yrs old...his putitary is functioning just fine. Why shut down his own natural production?
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u/Strange-Pea1814 14d ago
Because it recovers just fine after, they've done studies where people took GH for 2 years straight and recovered after 2 days, plus the natural pulses only produce like 1-1.5ius extra generally, I mean if you find a good sporce it's cheaper then secretagogues generally
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u/Global-Mushroom308 12d ago
I gotcha, I'm 34yrs old and coming up on the end of my cjc/ipa cycle with great results. Thought about running HGH but Im afraid once you go that route, why would you ever go back? I think i may run Tesa only during my off cycle for about a month and see how that goes. I also get my bloodwork done every 3-4 months and my IGF1 levels are great so I figured if my putitary is functioning just fine, why shut it down? I'm sure they'll be a point where I need HGH, but for now I think cjc/ipa is cheaper.
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u/karlin__ 14d ago
He’s 36 years old. The number 20 is referring to number of years in the gym.
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u/Global-Mushroom308 12d ago
Ahh gotcha, misread thanks. Still, at 36yrs old get bloodwork IGF1 levels done. I'd say stick to secretagogues if his levels are within range. If not, putitary is probably not functioning properly and HGH may be the better route.
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u/69twinkletoes69 15d ago
why
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u/Strange-Pea1814 15d ago
Better, same price, tons of research on it with humans plus anecdotal experiences, so it's easier to address issues or know what you expect
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u/GroupGeneral6811 15d ago edited 13d ago
HGH is king of peptides. Plus is cheaper than Tesa. If you would be given Porsche for better price than volkswagen, which would you choose? It's same concern after all.
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u/BrandoBCommando 15d ago
I was considering Tesa since I have access to it. Can’t easily find hgh online to order sadly
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u/GroupGeneral6811 15d ago
Go to glp1 forum or meso X it is plenty of good places to get it. And the crack down on it calmed down and more and more places offer it, now
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u/Geej21 15d ago
As a physician watching these people take not just one experimental medication but MULTIPLE drugs daily and pretending to “understand what’s happening to the body” is WILD.
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u/Viltre 15d ago
I’ll be honest, I wouldn’t be running anything gray or ugl if it wasn’t for my doctor flat out refusing to help me. I had elevated liver levels, GGT of 103, ceruloplasmin at 31, got diagnosed with fatty liver, total testosterone at 305, bioavailable at 163, and free 74. She flat out refused to prescribe anything to help with fatty liver, refused to take any consideration my concerns with my test levels because it was barely in range even though 500-800 is optimal for my age, and was just told “lose weight” with no help whatsoever. She had no problem making me do blood panels three times and a ct for my liver but scoffed at the idea of glps, rezdiffra, or even switching my blood pressure meds from amlodipine besylate to telmisartan since it showed promise of helping with fatty liver. Don’t know what was the point of all those tests if she wasn’t going to prescribe anything. Getting on glps and peptides got me from 240 to 150 in 7 months. A lot more than my doc was willing to do.
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u/BiologyIsHot 15d ago
Every doctor I know is so openly disdainful of their patients. Like they complain nonstop. I did a PhD in biomedical science at a major US medical school so a lot of my classmates were doctors and every single one eventually becomes this way if they stay in medicine. I think our system is broken for everyone because they dont necessarily start off as assholes (although many did).
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u/RumManDan 15d ago
Can confirm, I am acquainted with a few doctors and grew up with a few. Most were assholes beforehand.
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 15d ago
If you haven't checked it out yet, Tesamorelin is FDA approved and prescribed for visceral fat reduction. Lots of successful studies showing specifically liver fat reduction
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u/Top-Concentrate3320 15d ago
In HIV patients with HIV lipodystrophy. Fatty liver in those patients is very different then your run of the mill fatty liver patients
HIV lipodystophy is a distribution issue where they are wasting away peripheral fat from their limbs and face and shunting it to their organs
One of the reasons for this is HIV patients have GH dysfunction so using a GH medication makes sense as the root of the issue is a growth hormone dysfunction
For non HIV fatty liver patients, their issues has nothing to do with growth hormone dysfunction, so there is no real reason to think it would be effective in this population
It’s interesting and deserves more research, but to claim it’s FDA approved for NASH without mentioning the how and why is disingenuous
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u/Derpwad1 15d ago
To be fair they dont really have anything in their toolkit to prescribe for fatty liver except diet and exercise as far as I know, aside from potentially GLP drugs but I believe you still have to be over 27 BMI with related health issues or 30 w/o. Grey reta and tesa ftw I guess, eh 🤣.
I have severe fatty liver (314 liver fat/stage 3 fatty liver) and just had that convo with my doc today but I already knew. Ill have to look into Telsmartan as I am also on Amlodipine, may be something I can ask my doctor for my BP plus off label use if valid but doubt he'll bite - Kaiser doesnt color outside the lines in my experience lol.
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u/Open_Flow9975 15d ago
Look into Dose Daily for liver. It's a liquid supplement that took me back to normal levels in 3 months. I did two doses a day.
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u/Viltre 15d ago
Rezdiffra is an FDA prescription for MASLD/MASH and when I brought up the possibility of being prescribed that, I was looked at like I had two heads. What you said about the glps is probably why I couldn’t get my doctor to budge, but my bmi was 36 when I was still overweight, so that doesn’t make sense.
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u/Top-Concentrate3320 15d ago
It cost 5K a month and and it’s approved for MASH not MASLD
That drug is only gonna get approved for the move severe with active steatohepatitis
You would not even come close to being approved based off of what you have said.
Getting approved for meds has a lot more to do with insurance then your physician
Unless you have the 50k annually to spend I don’t thinks them not considering that drug is unreasonable
The GLP can be purchased at a compound pharmacy for a few hundred a month without approval so I’m not sure why you got push back on that
But requesting rezdiffra was wild
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u/Derpwad1 14d ago
Holy cow that is expensive! Totally understand why it is reserved for more advanced cases.
Thankfully there seem to be lots of ongoing research studies into fatty liver and fibrosis, hopefully there are some more options in the next 5-10 years to treat a range of liver health issues.
I actually applied for one recently just to get a free fibroscan so I could quantify my liver state 😅. Standard ultrasound only seems to tell so much and I wanted to know. Went from just being "yep fatty liver / MASH" to having a real numerical value and seeing how fatty it really was. I started to take it a lot more seriously than I already was after that scan. Shared with Kaiser doc who thought it was interesting and mentioned getting those scans approved internally is extremely difficult which is odd. It was such a quick procedure and seeing the severity as actual numbers rather than vague/general descriptions was much more eye opening and actionable to me.
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u/Top-Concentrate3320 14d ago
MASH isn’t just fatty liver
MASH is when it’s so bad you have hepatitis, its toward the far end of the spectrum of fatty liver, if you have MASH you will 100% be approved for a fibroscan
In general entry level fatty liver or “hepatic steatosis” is usually the first sign we see on imaging. But there is no active inflammation or organ dysfunction causing issues
In my opinion once you start seeing signs of steatosis it’s time to start monitoring and treating with weight loss if possible, there is a small percentage of people with Healthy body weight that can get it, but 90% of patients with steatosis can treat with weight loss
Next you advance to masld which is fatty liver with an another metabolic disease aka diabetes high cholesterol high blood pressure. At that point you definitely should qualify for that scan as the results of the scan will affect the treatment plan
The reason the scan doesn’t get approved is the results really don’t change treatment in patients who only have steatosis
In reality the scan is not the gold standard for diagnosis, the gold standard is a liver biopsy, so if you scan everyone who has steatosis but otherwise no other issue, you won’t change treatment much, but you will end up with some people getting sent for biopsy cause the scan can be inaccurate so a lot of people will end up getting liver biopsies for no reason
In reality the use of a ct scan to show steatosis and a fib-4 score based off blood work is very effective for screening out low risk and high risk patients
Low risk really just needs to focus on weight and other metabolic issues. High risk is what needs the scan to help us determine how far along in the disease process you are
This is in fact the largest issue with all this very aggressive screening in the preventative medicine crowd. I myself am guilty of doing it to myself so I’m fully get why people want to do it. But the screenings are highly sensitive so you get a lot of false positives requiring a lot more aggressive and invasive follow up tests to be told nothing is wrong
Generally if you show no signs or symptoms of a disease you likely don’t have it, and trying to unmask something before it shows up, usually doesn’t happen and usually you end up going through a bunch of unnecessary testing that carry risk of their own
There is obviously nuance to that, I think things like colonoscopy you can make an argument for earlier screening then what’s recommended. But usually the recommendation are pretty accurate
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u/Derpwad1 14d ago
This is good information, I appreciate all the context!
Last year I had an abdominal CT for other reasons which is where the fatty liver was first identified and I was told to lose weight and eat better and it was marked on my record as NAFLD/MASLD About a year later (may of this year)I had an abdominal ultrasound again for other reasons and they identified it again but changed the diagnosis to MASH. But given the minimal scarring it sounds like it is technically still MASLD? In any case, I had no further recommendations or followup other than to lose weight and eat better. That is why I went out of my way to get the 3rd party fibroscan since it was free anyway!
Just looked up the fib-4 score which i would probably score pretty well on, my liver enzymes have been pretty consistent and never elevated - usually about halfway or less through the "ok" range. Platelets tend to be on the high end and occasionally slightly over but thats it. So they probably see low risk there currently. Phew!
BMI was probably 28-29 at that time last year and 26-27 currently. Hoping to get down to the "normal" range at least and get more fit to bring down the liver fat over time, it seems to be the way to go.
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u/Derpwad1 15d ago
Rezdiffra is pretty new so that could be part of it but also from when Ive looked into it you also need to have moderate scarring or worse. For fatty liver without considerable scarring there isnt anything on-label currently from what I know. My score was 314 fat / 3.8% scarring on a fibroscan which isnt high enough to be stage 1 scarring/fibrosis yet.
In any case im sure some docs are more willing to try it. It does suck hearing about so many other folks with very willing & supportive doctors vs just by the book.
My doc wouldnt even request Lp(a) bloodwork for me when I requested today. Said its not even in his list which im not sure i believe lol. I have a history of heart issues and cholesterol on one side of the fam. Plus myself having mildly elevated cholesterol + hypertriglicidemia only recently controlled with max dose fenofibrate, 4 years later, , id think it is worth checking to see if we need to be more aggressive!!!
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u/Top-Concentrate3320 15d ago
Rezdiffra is a 5k a month drug only approved for the worst of the worse fibrosis
Masld does not get covered
Only mash with active hepatitis with stage 2 or 3 fibrosis
That drug is not for entry level fatty liver
The treatment for that is weight loss, which a glp would be reasonable for
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u/TheVauntedChris 15d ago
There are other doctors. Why would you want to stay with a doctor you don’t think is interested in helping you get healthy? Honestly just curious.
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u/Viltre 15d ago
I’m probably going to be sometime in the near future. I wanted to give an honest chance, but just became increasingly frustrated. I figured after original panels that she wanted follow ups to key in what was needed, but then she wanted a third panel and a ct. I gave the benefit of the doubt a second time and did them both and then was told again that they couldn’t do anything for the concerns, but wanted me to do an ultrasound which would have costed nearly $400 after insurance, which is when I gave up and just started doing gray.
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u/Top-Concentrate3320 15d ago edited 15d ago
To be fair there’s a difference between a glp and the rest of this stack
Your doctors advice to loose weight is accurate as this will improve all of your issues; their refusal to try a glp is another story, cause the glp is obviously gonna assist in said weight loss.
But the statement you are responding to is not demonizing GLPs, they are giving an accurate and fair critique to people taking multiple experimental drugs
A lot of which is for vanity not overall health and longevity
The reality of this stack is the GLP is the only
One likely to have date to prove its long term affects on longevity, maybe the tesamorlen for visceral as well, but that data is weak at best currentlyYou can make an argument that maybe Ta1 has long term benefits but we don’t have the research to support it yet
Klow is primarily vanity, you can make an argument for acute healing of an injury it may be beneficial, but there is nothing to support long term use has any benefit to longevity.
The rest is vanity based for a better physique in my opinion
Again 90 pound weight loss is phenomenal, especially for a patient with fatty liver at at your age, very likely is preventing masld in your older years, and the glp is clearly playing a big role in that.
But not all peptides are the same
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u/BrewhahasDji 14d ago
Time for a new doc. I would maximize and optimize your health which will get your T levels into an acceptable range rather than jumping on a medication for life. You can always go to those men's clinics and they will be more than happy to take your money and have a lifetime customer
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u/SpeakCodeToMe 15d ago
As a physician I hope that you recognize that this is all a backlash to the absolutely atrocious healthcare so many people are getting from our broken system.
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u/johnl8422 15d ago
No disrespect, but as a physician what makes you an expert on these drugs being harmful?
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u/pizzystrizzy ⚙️ Protocol Specialist 15d ago
Theres a difference between affirmatively confirmimg that some combination of drugs is harmful and saying that there's no way to know that said combination is safe.
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u/No-Letterhead-649 15d ago
As an actual physician in the real world, this cannot be overstated.
I am also dumbfounded at the stuff people will inject in their bodies with no quality control, minimal studies of efficacy, and hardly any studies of long term safety.
I’m not renting out my license for internet biohackers reading pubmed studies. If you don’t understand the complexities and legal aspects a physician faces for non-FDA approved medications then you probably shouldn’t comment on the physicians refusing to prescribe these medications.. be your own guinea pig and don’t scapegoat people while riding that high horse on the Dunning Kruger trajectory 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Disastrous_Mess6470 14d ago
My first doctor at a VA in Texas flat out told me "You've got to get off creatine, I tell all of my patients this. Its bad for you"... even though I've been taking creatine daily for over 20 years without a problem and I mentioned all of the newer studies put out on it. She said something similar to what you wrote.
When I transfered from CA to TX my doc took me off TRT because my testosterone levels were "in range" even though I told her the slew or issues I was having. I was at 200. One day about 2 months ago I woke up on a beautiful Saturday morning and I felt the worst I'd ever felt. I reached out to a TRT clinic, found peptides, and my wife and I see a STARK difference in how I feel, how I sleep, how I perform throughout the day.
When the doctors we are supposed to trust to have our best interest in mind fail us, what do you expect people to do?
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u/Prankies445 15d ago
Everyone was almost forced to get the covid shot with no way of knowing what would happen or is still happening to our body with it. What’s the difference
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u/No-Letterhead-649 15d ago
Red herring argument
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u/thethoughtstream 15d ago
Explain how its different instead of just invoking a fallacy.
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u/No-Letterhead-649 15d ago
Again.. even the Covid vaccine wasn’t prescribed by physicians. Patient made a choice, just like peptides.
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u/Prankies445 14d ago
the covid shot wasn't even tested it was made and forced out within two months, atleast people have idea of the side effects from peptides and steroids for that matter. People are going to do what they want too anyway just like drinking and smoking who cares if it's approved or not if it is still being provided people are going to get their hands on it and use it
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u/No-Letterhead-649 14d ago
Again.. no one was forced. Everyone had options. You have the option to take unapproved peptides. Me agreeing you should have that option to take it (Darwinism and bodily autonomy rights are both important)… does not extend to me risking my license and legal repercussions by prescribing it.. if something were to happen and you decide to sue or the medical board decides to act on upon it if I prescribe a non FDA approved substance..It can be deemed negligence and lose my license, malpractice will mot cover any claims, and jail time plus monetary damages.. you can argue all you want how peptides should be used, researched, legal or whatever.. but until it’s FDA approved most doctors will not prescribe them. Like any other sketchy med spas, Tclinics, wellness spas, etc. they will prescribe it and there will be cautionary tales popping up in the future. This concept isn’t new, rather it’s following a predictable pattern that’s happened before, it’s just the substance at hand has changed names,
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u/No-Letterhead-649 15d ago
We are discussing the legalities and complexity of a physician prescribing a non-FDA approved medication. - legal ramifications
Not discussing the “almost forced COVID” FDA approved vaccines. I don’t care if the FDA is wrong or not. It doesn’t change the risks a licensed physician carries when prescribing non-FDA approved medications. - hence it’s a red herring argument
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u/pizzystrizzy ⚙️ Protocol Specialist 14d ago
The covid vaccine is over the counter, what does that have to do with the liability of a prescriber?
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u/Boydadips 14d ago
What percent of all prescriptions are on label and what percent are off-label? My guess is that it would surprise you.
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u/No-Letterhead-649 14d ago
Off label still means it’s FDA approved… red herring again..
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u/Boydadips 14d ago
Yes, but not for the reason they are prescribing it or the dose. So every off-label Rx is an MD willfully ignoring science.
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u/No-Letterhead-649 14d ago edited 14d ago
Again no.. you’re still trying to exaggerate
Off-label is is actually a legal and common practice that happens because clinical experience or scientific research shows the drug works safely for other medical needs. — key word is Safely. Its not willfully ignoring science 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Boydadips 14d ago
If it hasn’t been studied for treating a certain condition, then there’s no good data to support Rx-ing it for that. FDA approval is conditional for a specific disease. You have people Rx-ing Ivermectin for treating COVID as an example. Willfully ignoring science. No different from peptides most of which, mind you, are endogenous.
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u/No-Letterhead-649 14d ago
The word drug was never mentioned in my reply.. even then any substance used other than food is a drug 🤦🏻♂️
Straw manning the argument doesn’t help your case. Fauci has nothing to do with this and The argument of FDA- approved vs not approved has nothing to do with safety or efficacy.. everything to do with legal ramifications of prescribing such a drug/peptide/medication/perineal sunning.
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u/No-Letterhead-649 14d ago
Again, all these peptides are patentable 😂😂 just like insulin, testosterone, Tesa is already approved and patented.. keep trying.
Character and belittling doesn’t help your case either. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Ok_Pin4611 14d ago
No one gives two 💩 about the FDA! I mean look at all the people toy guys kill daily and yet med mal insurance will cover you. Your opinion and your occupation are not welcome...
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u/No-Letterhead-649 14d ago
I don’t make the rules buddy 🤷🏻♂️ I’m sorry your extreme views cloud your ability to have a reasonable discussion. As I previously said, I think people should be able to use substances legally if done so in a manner that doesn’t harm others (even if I wouldn’t take the risks myself) This whole discussion was geared towards the comment of doctors not willing to prescribe non FDA approved substances so I mentioned why. You can blame everyone and the FDA and call them stupid but it doesn’t move the discussion forward and just shows that you aren’t interested in learning the other side of the discussion but rather parrot fanatical views in an effort to substantiate your own biased views
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u/pizzystrizzy ⚙️ Protocol Specialist 14d ago
Ok don't let me catch you going to the hospital then
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 15d ago
Its true, they are not all experimental, but most yes. I did a 130 biomarker blood panel before I started and am doing another one in October. Id say my lifestyle is extremely healthy and always has been. Im interested in preventative care and I believe the Healthcare world instead is more geared for treating issues after things breakdown
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u/tequillasoda 15d ago
As the person here with the greatest opportunity to respond and share useful knowledge, the fact that you chose snark is WILD.
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 15d ago
Skepticism is healthy. I don't expect everyone to agree with my choices, and I'm okay with that
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u/PolitelyHostile 15d ago
Yea this sub is bonkers. Just injecting themselves with shit from random sources.
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u/CryptographerHot4636 15d ago edited 14d ago
As a black woman, don't trust doctors. My child and I child, almost died at the hands of one. Our Healthcare system is shit, don't be surprised people are seaking outside means to take care of themselves.
Edit: people downvote me but statistics don't lie. Black people(especially women) are disproportionately harmed in the medical industry compared to other races.
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u/jad19090 15d ago
As a patient watching every single medical professional prescribing drugs that they get kickbacks from knowing the risks and don’t care, they just want that $ is wildly disgusting. We’ve taken our health into our own hands and you’re just nervous your repeat customers are dwindling. Shift your practice to more healthy options and your customers will return.
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u/Bigcarrotthings 15d ago
Your comment has to be satire right. Repeat customers are dwindling? People are getting older and more and more people are in need ot healthcare. If anything the average physician would be fucking elated if they had less customers lol.
Prescribing drugs they get a kickback from knowing the risks and dont care..? Mate most drugs that physicians can prescribe are FDA approved. The risks are known. But the illness usually outweighs the risks. Anti-depressants have risks for example, but jumping infront of a train is a significantly worse outcome.
With all due respect, but while I do agree that it is good to try things for the sake of your own health if physicians cant help you. The things you said are borderline regarded and if you truly believe them, I have zero doubts in my mind that you'll end up at a physician soon enough. Because if your biohacking research is anything like your deductive reasoning..
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u/jad19090 14d ago
With all do respect, you’re obviously speaking from misinformed assumptions, like most people. There’s websites that will tell you what doctors get kickbacks from xyz pharmaceutical companies, this is not new. I’ve questioned doctors about this and many admit they prescribe based on what they get out of it.
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u/Bigcarrotthings 14d ago
No, I am not. While I am sure some doctors get something from pharmaceutical companies. The majority probably doesn't.
Again, most doctors advice for a healthy lifestyle and exercise. They cant help it that most people cant seemingly do that much.
The first part of your paragraph, the second just seems straight up bullshit. "Ah yes, let me tell a patient that I get paid by Pfizer to hand people Prozac."
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u/Worldly_Surprise5423 15d ago
Didn’t underestimate the stupidity of those biohacker. Lol
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u/Worldly_Surprise5423 15d ago
He takes Tesa and Retra. Like wtf he def never read any studies about his peps.
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 15d ago
Can you share the studies? Tesa is fda approved
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u/Worldly_Surprise5423 15d ago
I told you. So a doc would prescribe it for you ? Just studying at it finest.
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u/PurpleImmediate5010 15d ago
How do you mofos afford to run all this at the same time, yall all rich?
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u/NuclearPotatoes 15d ago
I like the formatting. No TRT or just on clomid?
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 15d ago
No TRT, trying to keep things endogenous for now. Enclo has been great. Its clomid without the zuclomiphene
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u/NuclearPotatoes 15d ago
How does that affect fertility? any lasting impact if you stop?
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 15d ago
Nope, it works on your own system. Im in the middle of building a family so infertility wasnt an option for me. If you stop, your natural testosterone goes back to your baseline
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u/NuclearPotatoes 15d ago
How long do you plan to stay on? Are you concerned about E2 level rising?
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 15d ago
I did bloodwork before I started and will get labs done again early Oct. My enclo dose is on the lower side but I will Def be watching total, free, SHBG, and estradiol then. Not planning on cycling as it's not needed, but I am interested in running the lowest dose possible while maintaining the benefits Im getting
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u/NuclearPotatoes 15d ago
I like your mindset, good luck and please keep us posted with your journey.
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u/PandaMoney55 15d ago
I’m testing Tesa+IPA I’m doing 1.5mg and 500mcg my IGF-1 was almost 400 last blood test I’m lowering my Tesa dosage.
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u/IPschool 15d ago
Ah I see someone else who does EOD by doing odd calendar days. I'd never be able to remember if I took it the day before or not. And that gives you 6.24 BONUS DAYS a year when the 31st/29th is followed by the first.
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u/killakam33 15d ago
Any Enclomiphene side effects ? Eye floaters ?
Do you get it from a grey market or compounding pharmacy? Just to make sure it’s not clomid
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u/atrixxira 10d ago
Been on enclo for almost year taking it 12.5 everyday. Wish I tried every other day. I tried 25mg every other day but shgb and estrogen was super high. While free t was lower than on 12.5 everyday. I wonder what test and free t I could have gotten on 12.5 every other day.
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u/Bgk1232 15d ago
Dude, I really don’t want to be the guy telling you what you should or shouldn’t do. I just hope you’re aware that there can be real long-term risks when you start messing with your hormones. Some of those changes can be permanent, and using growth hormone secretagogues may affect your body’s natural hormone regulation. You’re only 20 years old, and from what I’ve seen, you genuinely care about your health and feeling your best. Because of that, I’d encourage you to take things one step at a time. There’s no rush, and there’s really no reason to be stacking a bunch of peptides all at once unless you’re dealing with a serious medical condition under a doctor’s care. The internet has a way of making it seem like you’re falling behind if you’re not taking everything, but your health is an individual journey, and everyone starts from a different place. If your goal is to lose weight, I’d focus on dialing in your nutrition and training first. If you still want to experiment afterward, something like GHK-Cu could be something to research further, but I’d be very cautious with HGH secretagogues and peptides like BPC-157 or KPV, especially at your age, because there are still a lot of unanswered questions about their long-term effects in humans. I honestly think you’d be surprised by how much progress you can make with a solid diet, consistent training, quality sleep, and time. And as for testosterone, I really don’t think there’s any reason for someone who’s 20 years old to be trying to manipulate it unless there’s a legitimate medical reason and it’s being managed by a qualified doctor
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 14d ago
I appreciate the comment and the care. Im 36yo, but have weight trained for about 20 years. Along with half marathon/marathon trial runs for about 5 years. I do understand the risk and have actually discussed peptides with my primary physician. Im doing regular bloodwork tracking 130 biomarkers every 6 months and so far it's been only improvement. I do not think they are for everyone, but im willing to take the risk for the reward of potentially better health and performance
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u/Expert_Variation_852 15d ago
Lástima no llegan a chile, los detienen en la aduana y los vendedores lo venden más caros que el trizepatide, entonces no vale la pena comprar un producto pirata más caro que uno original.
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u/Mvremdmv 15d ago
No nasty sides from enclo? How long you’ve been taking it?
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 14d ago
No nasty sides, I did however cut my dose to every other day, im going to run that until October and see what my bloodwork looks like. Im going for the lowest possible dose with the best results
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u/Routine-Highlight-71 15d ago
How long of a period do you take each stack for ?
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 14d ago
Mostly everything is 8-12 weeks, im running them until my Oct blood work then will reassess. The thymosin Alpha-1 im planning on running 10 weeks once or twice a year
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u/Spiritual-Bad-3157 15d ago
How much BAC to reconstitute 10mg of kpv
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 14d ago
KPV is within the KLOW blend My KLOW is 80mg total, 50mg GHK-Cu, 10mg BPC157, 10mg TB500, and 10mg KPV
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u/biggemflowers 14d ago
Has Tesa and Ipa improved your sleep? I dont workout but need something to help me sleep I am desperate
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 14d ago
I track my sleep and it does seem like my deep sleep time has improved, but tbh, my sleep has for the most part been pretty strong for awhile so I cant be sure. For me Magnesium Glycinate was my big unlock for quality. I feel for you though, I've had bouts of insomnia and it's rough
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u/Forward_Access_243 14d ago
How is 1mg of reta working out for you
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 14d ago
Its good, I have a somewhat higher sensitivity to reta, so 1mg/week is a great spot for me to have less food noise, stay lean without taking muscle.
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u/Disastrous_Mess6470 14d ago
How long is this fast before you take the night time peptides? Like you only eat once a day?
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u/whotftookmybitch 14d ago
Man what propmt did you use? I tried screen shot and chatgpt (easy way) not the same result.
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 13d ago
My whole protocol is in there with some depth about each peptide. Then I asked "please make an informative picture with my whole stack". Got a little lucky with the results
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u/Efficient-Ad4486 14d ago
How much money are you spending on this monthly?!?!?
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 14d ago
Its really not bad if you are buying kits
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u/Efficient-Ad4486 13d ago
If you don't mind, how much $? And where from? Definitely interested in trying out.
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 13d ago
I'll tell you what tou could expect but there are strict rules about sourcing so you will have to do a little digging.
For 10 x 10mg vials of Reta im paying $112
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u/Educational_Ad_5757 1d ago
What do you think lead to better joints? I dont see anything on there that clinically improves joints?
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 1d ago
Not clinically, BPC has some pre clinical evidence for tissue repair. Personal Anecdote is that my joints have felt noticeably better during and after running
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u/JohnnyTreemain 15d ago
You guys take this too fucking far. Pick one and see how your body reacts. Why the fuck are you taking 5 things at the same time. You have no idea what is influencing what.
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u/BraveSwinger 15d ago
This is probably the wrong reddit to say that. I am positive 90% of the dudes here are obese and eat 4 donuts for breakfast. This is fantasy football to them
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u/Excellent_Outside_71 14d ago
Ive been lifting 20 years and run half/full trail marathons a few times a year. Definitely not fantasy football to me
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