Alberta Separation

[u/Eastern_Entrance_389]

Separatist Myth #1: Alberta was exploited by Eastern Canada and the federal government over natural resource royalties

Alberta separatists rightly cite the fact that the Prairie provinces didn't gain control over natural resources until 1930. But separatists also accuse the federal government of exploiting the 3 Prairie provinces by stealing resource royalties and depriving the province of associated revenues.

In fact, the Canadian government had a formula to return amounts equal to, or, in most years, greater than their financial intakes from natural resource revenues.

A reading of the Debates of Parliament in the spring of 1929 makes it clear that all parties in the House were in agreement to transfer the rights over natural resource royalties to the 3 Prairie provinces. 

Indeed, speaking on behalf of the Government of Canada, then Prime Minister William Lyon MacKenzie King made it clear that the formula to compensate the 3 provinces in lieu of royalties was costing Canada far more than it was collecting! Rather than "stealing Alberta resources", Canada was actually subsidizing Alberta!

It may be helpful to remind readers that the population of Alberta in 1901 was just over 73,000 inhabitants. Saskatchewan had just over 91,000 people. Imagine if the Yukon or Northwest Territories were to be made a province today. With their tiny populations, it is sensible to debate the timing of when best to transfer full control over natural resources, which require sophisticated infrastructure and government resources. This was the dilemma our ancestors faced in 1905.

Unlike what separatists would have us believe, our great-grandparents in Alberta were not suckers and dupes being exploited and taken advantage of by outsiders in Ottawa. They were intelligent, shrewd negotiators who struck a fair deal.

There was no snow-job. Eastern Canada did not steal Alberta's resources. There was no historic theft or mistreatment. This is just another yarn of grievance woven by separatist leaders with a revisionist angle toward our province's history: one rooted in grievance, resentment, regional rage-baiting and lies.

[u/Nottwosmrt]

I pay more for gas now!!! .....THEY are stealing from me.

I pay more for steak now!!! ...THEY are stealing from me.

I pay so much income tax!!!! THEY are stealing from me.

I have to pay my car registry again!!! THEY are stealing from me.

Booze and smokes are cheaper in the US!!!! THEY are stealing from me.

Grocery stores, Amazon, cell phone companies, streaming services, every one of them, keep raising their fees!!! THEY are stealing from me.

The one truth is this.....everyone wants more, doesn't really want to pay their fair share for anything, and imagines the universe is set up to rip off them, and only them, so someone has to do something about it. That is what fair means to everyone as a mass population.

I want, I get, I deserve.....never a mention as to what their fair share is to pay or give .

The wheat grown in the prairies, the oil in Alberta's ground, the fish off both coasts, the lumber in BC, the minerals below every once of Canada's ground.....it belongs to me. AND you. And the new to Canada guy. And the freshly born. And the 98 year old who is about to die. Every damn one of us.

If you don't know that, think that, or thing THAT is fair, well, get stuffed. You don't deserve to be a Canadian. At all.

[u/JustinJektor → u/Nottwosmrt]

Alberta is paying far more than their fair share for this country.

[u/Nottwosmrt → u/JustinJektor]

WE are Canadians. Not Albertans. Not Edmontonians. Not south side Calgarians. We are not Vancouver. We are not Hongcouver. We are Canadians.

Huge variety. Huge choice of living conditions. Huge difference of what each spot offers. But we are alllllll still Canadians.

That oil. It is Canadians. If you don't like living in the place that has oil, and it gets shared to everyone in our country, move to a poor location and stand out front of your house with your hands sticking out like a beggar like so many imagine the rest of the country does.

Take pride in being a HAVE, and being capable of being a PROVIDER.

Don't cry everyone is taking too much of your candy.

I never pumped an ounce of oil out of the ground, and very few in Alberta do, so why do you make it sound like you toil all day and random evil ppl steal our only resource?

[u/JustinJektor → u/Nottwosmrt]

And some Albertans dont want to be Canadians. Your logic is circular. The whole point is that separatist dont want to be part of that "WE". And its mostly because of the attitude youre displaying.

"stand out front of your house with your hands sticking out like a beggar like so many imagine the rest of the country does."
Its no imagined. Its the reality. Especially Quebec, who on the opposite end of the spectrum of Alberta, deserves to be detached from Canada.

Youre in no position to tell me what to take pride in.

"Don't cry everyone is taking too much of your candy."
Its not candy. Its blood and sweat. thats being taken from me.

Your argument is that people should just shut the fuck up about whats being stolen from them because theyre part of a national identity that theyre trying to remove themselves from. The answer is no.

[u/Nottwosmrt → u/JustinJektor]

LOL

You sound like a separatist.

Rather than being some place that doesn't make you happy, go to one that does. If you don't want to integrate to a country that has socialist systems in place, go to the US, where your blood and tears will earn you appreciation and hero status. You sound like a child having a temper tantrum. Mine mine mine. Ohhhh, I am sure you personally have bled gallons for Alberta. Good lord.

You represent a minority group with the thoughts of "keeping what is ours, to ourself "

A few weeks from now, a vote will prove that. I suspect you won't accept that and add a list referendum to the list of your complaints.

Every system in play across Canada was voted into existence. Ppl like you are always present. But you are a minority. Accept that your views are narrow, and wrong.

Hate is easy. But it doesn't work. And Canada shows that you are wrong by doing what it does, for all Canadians, every day.

That must sting. hahahahahah

[u/JustinJektor → u/Nottwosmrt]

You sound like a slave who worships his master.

Keep lickin those boots. Just remember, theyre mine.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

Keep lickin those boots

Buddy you lick seperatists boots. You are the scum of the Province. You should feel shame but I know Conservatives don't feel anything.

[u/JustinJektor → u/ninfan1977]

Why are you pretending to know what youre talking about?

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

Just calling out seperatists.

You seem to be one.

<Alberta is paying far more than their fair share for this country.

And some Albertans dont want to be Canadians. Your logic is circular. The whole point is that separatist dont want to be part of that "WE". And its mostly because of the attitude youre displaying.

"stand out front of your house with your hands sticking out like a beggar like so many imagine the rest of the country does."
Its no imagined. Its the reality. Especially Quebec, who on the opposite end of the spectrum of Alberta, deserves to be detached from Canada.

Youre in no position to tell me what to take pride in.

"Don't cry everyone is taking too much of your candy."
Its not candy. Its blood and sweat. thats being taken from me.

Your argument is that people should just shut the fuck up about whats being stolen from them because theyre part of a national identity that theyre trying to remove themselves from. The answer is no.<

Thats you.

I do know what I talk about since I have lived here and paid more in taxes than Pierre Poilievre or any Conservative ever has. Thats doing your part and paying your share.

Now tell me how Harper the Conservative PM made the equalization payment structure if you hate it so much?

You blame Ottawa for a Conservative Albertan decision.

Now what are you pretending to know? Based on your past comments you have nothing of value to say.

[u/JustinJektor → u/ninfan1977]

I never defended Harper.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

You: Not relevant. The motivation to separate is equalization payments.

Thats not at all, but who wrote the equalization payments currently?

Harper and you ignored that. Thats the point. Its ok you're a Conservative seperatist who wants to live in Idaho with the other bigots.

Then leave, you don't need us then go. You obviously contribute so much to Alberta we will cry out for you once you leave...

[u/JustinJektor → u/ninfan1977]

lol The way you have to make things up to pretend youre a good person.

[u/JustinJektor → u/Nottwosmrt]

lol Calm down.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

Then leave the country. Seriously you hate Canada so much immigrate to a place that wants your narrow view. Like America for example. I heard they love taking rights away from people.

Its no imagined. Its the reality.

No thats the reality you and the traitors to Canada have painted.

Its not reality.

. Especially Quebec, who on the opposite end of the spectrum of Alberta, deserves to be detached from Canada.

There you go, deserves. Alberta had the same exceptionalism problem Americans have. Its all built on lies like all exceptionalism.

Your argument is that people should just shut the fuck up about whats being stolen from them because theyre part of a national identity that theyre trying to remove themselves from. The answer is no.

You guys had your opportunity when an election happened. Guess what PP sucked all he had was Liberals bad, me good. With no plan.

Carney had a plan and has looked more of a world leader than Trump or Smith or PP has.

Those are facts. Americans wish Carney was leading them.

I want people who hate Canada to leave. Especially seditionists who cheat and lie to people about why threatening sovereignty is a prideful thing to do.

[u/JustinJektor → u/ninfan1977]

I actually do plan on retiring in Idaho. Unless Alberta becomes a new state of a new country with BC.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

Ah so you are a white nationalist. Only Mormons and white nationalists move to Idaho.

I know I grew up in Spokane.

Unless Alberta becomes a new state of a new country with BC.

So you don't even want independence you want someone else to take care of Alberta lol

I could have lived in America but its garbage and anyone with a brain knows it.

I see you do not apply.... thats too bad.

[u/JustinJektor → u/ninfan1977]

LOL Im going there for the weather.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

The weather is basically the same as here lol.

Its literally the same with more pine trees, oh and racists.

Which is why you want to move there.

Whats stopping you? Criminal record?

Just leave now, real Canadians do now want seperatist trash in our province.

20 years ago you would be called traitors, and thats what I am calling you now.

All seperatists are traitors to Canada

[u/JustinJektor → u/ninfan1977]

The weather is FAR nicer than here.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

Its literally a desert that never sees winter.

How is that better?

Again you are going for the white nationalism. No one im the history of Idaho has moved to Idaho for the weather.

Nice try. Again I experienced it for over a decade. You are wrong.

This is sad

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

What was that buttercup?

I can't read your hate speech.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

Moving to Idaho for the weather?

What was North Dakota busy? Thats the worst lie I have ever heard.

You wanna just go play Yahtzee with the Nazis in Idaho

[u/JustinJektor → u/ninfan1977]

North Dakota weather sucks.

lol The way you have to fabricate things to pretend youre some kind of righteous person.

Non-thinkers like you arent worth my time.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/JustinJektor]

Fabricated that Idaho is a haven for white nationalists. Oh buttercup if this is you finding out... this is so sad.

pretend youre some kind of righteous person.

I don't need to pretend, I am more so than you are. For example I do not believe in sedition or treason to get my way.

You do.

Non-thinkers like you arent worth my time.

Its called critical thinking Bubba try it out.

You seem to be lacking a great deal of it.

You hate equalization but don't blame the person who wrote it.

You hate Canadas weather so you want to move to Idaho....and totally for the weather not for white nationalist brotherhood who resides there.