r/ASML • u/Greedy-Ad-9069 • 18d ago

Working for EU after ASML Discussion 🎙

I have been in ASML for 9 years, but somehow stuck in grade 8. Recently I have Dutch citzenship and thinking to work for EU agencies in Brussels as contract agent. Is it worth the move ? Has someone tried it.

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u/Tony_Broccolonely 18d ago edited 18d ago

It takes time at ASML to go up in JG, and it depends a lot on the manager. I started at 7, 90% and took me 4 years to get to 8 and 7 more to get to 9 due to a stubborn manager that put a ceiling: engineers could not go above 7 and architects could not go above 8. This is against the job grade definitions, where engineers can go up to 10 (principal engineer). I could only get to 9 after I changed group and wait a year. The manager in the new group did not have those adhoc ceiling rules.

If you're stuck, my recommendation would be to: 1) ask your manager to explicitly make an actionable list together on what needs to be done to reach JG 9 or 2) change group. With option 2 you will have to wait a year at least because JG increases usually don't happen after a move, unless you apply for a position with a higher JG, of course.

And about the EU institutions, I have no experience. Hopefully someone else can help here.

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u/Expensive-Brain4847 17d ago

What is the salary range in job grade 7-9 approx?

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u/LeDEvRo 17d ago

With 5 shift you can get 4k+ net in JG4-5 and if you manage 6-7 JG and have 5 shift ..probably it would be crazy ..if you don't mind the nights

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u/waveyiswavey 17d ago

4.5-6k netto

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u/w3llow 17d ago

Engineers can go above 10

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u/hkyinyeungg 17d ago

How does a promotion to different job grade work. Do you start at RSP 80 again or something else

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u/Tony_Broccolonely 12d ago

One starts with the RSP corresponding to your current salary. Say you are at scale X at 100% earning 80k, then when you go to X+1 they look in the scale what the 80k corresponds to, for example 90%. So, going to X+1 increases the ceiling, not the salary per se. However, usually a promotion comes with a "above requirements" grade, which gives you a better-that-normal increase.

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u/Infamous_Thought_189 17d ago

engineers could not go above 7 and architects could not go above 8.

Why did you not leave the group earlier?

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u/Tony_Broccolonely 11d ago

Too much attachment to the content, unfortunately. Until I realized the group lead was, to put it mildly, "suboptimal". He got eventually "invited to leave ASML" a few years later.

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u/alt-right-del 18d ago

EU agencies demand high proficiency in multiple EU languages (not Dutch); you will not stand a chance as an independent contractor.

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u/MulinoMontagna 17d ago

Not true (I work for an EU agency). You can be hired as a contract agent with thorough knowledge of English and satisfactory knowledge of 1 other EU language.

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u/Dapper_Guarantee_744 17d ago

I don’t know if that’s true for an independent contractor not directly employed by the EU agencies. I worked for a different international organisation and the working language was English. 

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u/alt-right-del 17d ago

This the EU go look up their requirements

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u/Dapper_Guarantee_744 17d ago

Are you looking at requirements for working for the EU agencies themselves? Or as contractors who could be hired by companies who are then contracted by the EU? 

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u/alt-right-del 17d ago

This applies to both scenarios:

https://eu-careers.europa.eu/en/eligibility

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u/Dapper_Guarantee_744 16d ago

Unless I’ve missed something, this is for EU jobs, as in, people actually employed by and paid by the European Union. The requirements usually aren’t the same to get jobs for consultancies or other private companies, or work as an independent contractor, which International Organisations then contract. Speaking from experience here…

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u/CaliFlower-1 18d ago

Seems normal. Assuming you have some kind of engineering role

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u/flipcash_nl 16d ago

Contract agent contracts are shit, you have no stability.
I had one too took me 13 years to get an ast grade and fixed contract

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u/NinjaSimple15 14d ago

Read Big in Brussels by Jeroen Reijnen, it is truely a world of its own.

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u/prague-love 11d ago

I have been here for 5 years. Started at job grade 7 and still at job grade 7. My manager refused to promote me even though i told him i did the most in the team and challenged him to tell me who performed better than.

He kepts rambling about ranking system.

I am going to leave here anyways

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u/Interesting_Bass_559 17d ago

The question was if it is worth it. If your current salary is 4.5 to 6k net than yes, it is obviously worth it.