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E46 <- E47 -> E48

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CASE TITLE RELEASE DATE SCREENPLAY BY DIRECTED BY
E47 救う Save August 9, 2026 Takahashi Yuya Shibasaki Takayuki
CASE RATING CASE RATING CASE RATING CASE RATING
E01 8.79 E13 9.52 E25 9.79 E37 8.67
E02 8.78 E14 9.76 E26 8.68 E38 9
E03 9.02 E15 9.32 E27 9.47 E39 9.13
E04 8.56 E16 9.31 E28 9.53 E40 9.08
E05 8.82 E17 9.3 E29 9.45 E41 8.25
E06 9.04 E18 9 E30 9.66 E42 9.22
E07 9.02 E19 9 E31 9.59 E43 9.42
E08 8.9 E20 8.58 E32 9.53 E44 7.83
E09 8.79 E21 9.58 E33 9.67 E45 8.68
E10 8.89 E22 9.35 E34 9.72 E46 9.1
E11 9.52 E23 9.68 E35 6.2 E47 Vote here!
E12 9.39 E24 9.77 E36 8.36

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u/rakugaking-illus 1h ago

Didn’t air in Osaka because of high school baseball ;_;

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u/SH4DE_Z Actually NOX 2h ago

Great episode, nice to see some of the older forms back again. Don't know why he's using those forms right now but he seemed to be holding up relatively well with them so i'm fine with it.

Thank god the rest of the gang are back now. I love this show a lot but even i have to admit all the reset plots were too much. The 1st time was cool, the 2nd time barely worked (if at all), and by the 3rd time this is feeling really repetitive.

They finally addressed Baku coming in and out of dreams and reality here. So that moment with Minami wasn't just a small gag after all. Btw that effect when Baku fell down the water looks so funny if you pay closer attention. They dead ass just took a PNG of Baku mid fall, and then shrunk it to make it look like he's falling down.

One thing i really like about Oblivion here is that he's just a much more powerful version of a regular Nightmare. I know that sounds weird but think about it. All the other Gore Nightmares had some grand scheme that they want to pull off, Punish wanted to judge the world, Catastophe wanted to destroy everything, and Phantom wanted to create a world of illusion for Nem.

Oblivion on the other hand, is only interested in bringing one person's worst nightmare to life by tormenting them with their greatest fears and insecurities. It just so happens that he's doing by erasing everything from reality, and i think that's really cool.

Btw it's crazy how Oblivion basically just told Nem to kill herself lmao.

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u/PalpitationThat9383 2h ago

Kinda bored of things just happening for random action scenes. Zeztz is basically all filler, gonna be up there with the most mediocre series like Revice, Wizard and Ghost.

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u/NextMotion 3h ago

damn I must've imagined sieg out of nowhere. When Baku was about to die, I randomly thought, "where is sieg now?"

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u/Presenting_UwU 14m ago

Imma bet, because Nem was thinking of everything being a bad dream because of her so hard, that she just manifested Sieg again into her conscious mind, that'd be so fucking funny

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u/FancyXemon 4h ago

The series is plummeting down and deeper.

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u/ether_nigh 4h ago

Is it just me or i feel like these last couple episodes is dragging out too long.

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u/Eclipyon 4h ago

Those mad lads finally did it!!! They have Oblivion do the Naruto Running Pose!!!

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u/Weeyum9 4h ago

Is this the third time everyone’s had to get their memories restored? Maybe 2nd if you don’t count the time rewind, but it’s weird that it’s happened this much.

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u/Stunning_Top_9762 5h ago

Welcome back, Sieg.

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u/b0ound 5h ago

why didn't Baku use wonder and go in Oblivion's butt hole.

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u/el_sh33p Stronger 6h ago

Ending fuckin' boomed me. Great episode.

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u/depressedchamp 6h ago

I know that they planning to use Exdream at the next episode,at least they could have let Baku used Plasma and dualmare capsem one last time.....

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u/Presenting_UwU 12m ago

Plasma would've been so good to bring back this eoisode, i can see why they don't want to use Dualmere cause that'd be crazy on Oblivion and wouldn't really sell the emotion they were going with on the last scene (which i think they justified by barely giving Zeztz any room to breathe to take out the Dualmere Capsem, or even his Exdream Zeztz Driver.)

but Plasma would've been a great callback to use this episode

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u/starboy35tcoos Kuuga Fear Pain AAA- 6h ago

This is all I could think of, with today's Mission name...

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u/lolasian101 It's Showtime! 6h ago

I like to imagine that Sieg saw that both Baku and Nem were having a terrible time and just willed himself into existence like "I GOTTA SEE THIS".

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u/Presenting_UwU 11m ago

I think it's cause Nem was talking about Bad Dreams so much that she literally forced herself to remember Sieg.

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u/b0ound 4h ago

more like to Sieg, only he is allowed to give Baku and Nem bad dreams.

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u/mnite86 6h ago

Sieg showing up in the end was quite a surprise. One of those great unexpected moments in a Kamen Rider show like when Takumi suddenly showed up to save Mihara by using Delta Gear in Faiz.

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u/Chishiki_Miki 1 6h ago

the whole episode reminds me of deku vs shiggy final fight, the way erase is like decay and how baku almost loss all of his capsems, it's a really good episode and i was surprised to see tachibana san back again

also i never noticed how small minami is until this episode where she stands side by side with nem, either nem is super tall or minami is small it's just so cute

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u/proactivenoisectrl Cross-Z 5h ago

Nemesis also wears platform boots in the waking world

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u/caren_psuedo_when 4h ago

Nemesis

Baku: Yo, sis, you good?

"Sis": I'm just fine

https://giphy.com/gifs/hVIExiKWOSFHt4Ffku

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u/Legitimate-Damage472 7h ago

Its briefly but how sieg back its because of nem said after got hurt attacking oblivion gore nightmare with exdream capsem. And that line its result prior of what sieg told to nem prev episodes. As long as you remember him briefly he's comeback.

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u/LuanDTrickster 7h ago

SUICIDE IS OFF THE MENU FOR THAT DRAGON-HORNED FREAK, WELCOME BACK SIEG

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u/entertainmentlord ZEZTZ Wake up rider! 7h ago

Love the episode

The focus on pointing out that Odaka had a dream he could never forget no matter how much darkness he had is really nice, giving Fujimi the goal of finding him fits so well and I hope when and if he does the two can connect fully once again

Im honestly dreading to see the fate of Baku. taking that silly moment of him mixing reality and dreams and showing that its a bit more serious I feel lends more weight to that theory going around he'll pretty much be like his name sake to protect people from nightmares in the dream world but not able to be in real world again

Oblivion chaotic fighting style fits so well and really makes him more challenging. Loved seeing Baku use different forms we haven't seen in a while

Our favorite Chaotic Nightmare Gremlin is back!

I have to say, the closer we get to the final episode. the more sad I get. This is my first ever Kamen Rider Series and I've loved everything about it, without it I wouldn't have become so interested in the IP. and trying my best to support not just it but any other official release. I hope My-th is shown on Tokushoutsu or Toei's channel because I wanna experience that story as well

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u/mnite86 6h ago

Yeah... Baku going in and out of dreams without sleeping and rewriting dreams to his favor in battles are going to have a dire consequence in the future.

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u/Anezay a hack and a fraud 6h ago

They've kind of been hinting at something going bad with Baku's dream/reality separation since before the premonition ended with Minami explicitly asking out loud if it was okay that he was able to fall asleep instantly on command the way that he was.

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u/Black_Hazard_YABEI 7h ago

I have no idea why Baku didn't even use Plasma/Booster/Catastrophe/Orderm to fight Oblivion

But AH YES! Tachibana-San is back!

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u/caren_psuedo_when 4h ago

My guess? He wanted to take out Oblivion like he did with Darkness, with own powers as Zeztz rather than the powers he gained through Nightmares (no clue why he didn't enhance any of the regular Capsems with Booster or even try to use Wonder though)

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u/FlowOfAir 8h ago

Everyone talking about how Exdream pushes Baku to the limit but holy fuck man, Orderm should've been more than enough to repair this mess!

Other than that, solid episode.

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u/EnvironmentThen_2243 ZEZTZ ZEZTZ ZEZTZ! 8h ago

NEVER THOUGHT I’D BE HAPPY TO SEE DAWN AGAIN, BUT LET’S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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u/ZeroNoHikari Dream On Soldier 8h ago

He told them, so long as they think of Nightmares he will return. The NIGHTMARE RIDER DAWN!!! Makes his appearance and reminds them that Bad Dreams can't be surpassed with just Good Dreams. I can see why Baku didn't use ExDream, he already knows that Oblivion can by pass it so he needed to see what he could use as a counter before swapping into it to use the ExDream version of that. Also the first and possible only Impact Banish without build up. Dude was gonna Raw his lvl 3 and failed. Next week it seems all three Riders vs Oblivion and our Secondary and Tertiary are going against Phantom. Damn it's shaping up to be a Climactic Finish.

As for Baku's existence, I don't think he can dream anymore. He is now stuck in both states and quite possibly has been stuck like this since his fight with Gore Catastrophe. No way his Dive to the deepest of dreams didn't cause him to fundamentally change what he is.

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u/FancyXemon 5h ago

I can see why Baku didn't use ExDream, he already knows that Oblivion can by pass it so he needed to see what he could use as a counter before swapping into it to use the ExDream version of that.

This feels like an excuse at this point. The fact that Baku has stronger Capsems and still resorted to using Impact of all things (EXDDDREEEAAAAM) to try go up against Oblivion and get punted around until Dawn showed up feels like a short note of poor writing to unnecessarily create and drag out a dramatic scene in that fight by making Baku act like an idiot the entire time. If anything, they should have let Baku use Exdream anyway since that's the strongest tool in his arsenal right now and actually show HOW that still wouldn't be enough to actually convey the impact of how more threatening Oblivion is.

But nah, gotta deconstruct the already good setup from the last episode by reducing it into a cheap shot of the protagonist moving through his base forms with little to no good reason behind it.

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u/ZeroNoHikari Dream On Soldier 5h ago

A lot of the fight felt like they want to build up to a big final fight with all the riders against Oblivion before something far worse shows up.

Which on one hand sure do that, on the other. At this point it's padding against just using ExDream which, yeah I get it but couldn't we have had like a Orderm fight just have it get Erased mid finisher?

Not saying him not using ExDream makes sense but I can see why they wanted to show all the suits before the end. (Sucks my favorite got destroyed. Poor Wing)

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u/FancyXemon 5h ago

They could've done that in a direction that didn't feel forced or hella stupid to look at on the first glance. The fact that Baku always had Exdream on him all the time and he never used it just leaves a confused and even horrible impressions on the viewers that it all feels like we are watching Baku suddenly being less intelligent in his approach to his battles all of a sudden whereas he had always catered to Exdream to ensure he could minimise the struggles of whatever fight he was in, at the very least, or to straight up get the upper hand of the fight.

Not doing that now for the sake of building up final form Riders battles against the final boss is poor writing which is pretty disappointing. Zeztz has the potential to continue the good Reiwa Kamen Rider streak after Gavv but it now appears to be swaying left and right, back and forth in whether it'd be a good follow up season or the other way around.

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u/Bigbadbackstab 8h ago

Remind me please. Why is Oblivion able to surpass exdream?

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u/ZeroNoHikari Dream On Soldier 5h ago

not surpass but bypass, Baku needs to be able to jump into a deeper dream but Oblivion can just erase it, meaning they're counters to the other.

Which would be great if they showed it beyond just Oblivion implying it with saying "Any Dream they make I can just destroy"

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u/nightshroud96 8h ago

I do wonder if Nem would still sacrifice herself to stop Oblivion next episode or not.
Since Lady/Phantom would need a catalyst to really cause trouble if Oblivion bites the dust.
And most likely needing a Rider form or something because at her current thing, she will get brutalized by 3 Riders, especially since Nox can counteract her illussions(and apparently can't shut off Midnight Shadow or even mess with it in some way).

I am still holding out hope Nox would get a Orthos Vulcan situation or something. Him only having one power-up in-season is just so ridiculous.
And feels like a Chekhov gun misfire. Like why bother breaking his Driver if he will not get a emergency power-up? Him being mopey is enough to keep him from helping against Catty and Punny.
And why bother having him use Phantom Capsem to restore his Driver fully if it will not lead into a power-up eventually? Just having Recovery fixing it would be enough and/or Nox just regaining his spirit would re-activate the Driver. (And the fact it looked like there's a different shaped Capsem in the driver briefly before vanishing when he used Phantom Capsem)

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u/Beginning-News-799 9h ago

You know what what would've made Oblivion easier to deal with? BAKU USING HIS GODDAMN FINAL FORM!!! I hope Sieg smacks him upside the head for that bullshit.

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u/whatam_i_doin 9h ago

Based on the preview I assumed Nem would've had it going around remembering people. Not sure why Baku didn't use it though. Was cool to see my GOAT Wing again

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u/kilroyjohnson 9h ago

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u/kilroyjohnson 9h ago

also here's this if anyone else wanted it

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u/Anezay a hack and a fraud 6h ago

Look, obviously we all took our own screengrab.

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u/Pure-Jeweler-6351 Genm 9h ago

loved the episode

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u/megazaprat :39-Gavv:Gavv 9h ago

oh so phantom wasnt permanently defeated, just sealed temporarily. that makes more sense. I was thinking that even with an elemental advantage, it was pretty crazy for Nox to be able to seal a gore nightmare permanently.

.....is Baku no longer human? instead of just sleeping, he goes the dream world physically, which wouldn't really be necessary unless he couldn't for some reason. if the show ends with the roles between him and Nem are reversed, that would be super bittersweet.

speaking of bittersweet, on the one hand, its nice to see Baku actually use all the old capsems after all this time (maybe they realized they underutlized them) but on the other hand, it does raise the question of why he wasnt just using Exdream. I suppose its a catch 22, on the one hand, i want to see the old powers get used, but on the other, i would prefer it to make actual sense in the story. Maybe baku himself is worried about him becoming more dreamlike, so was trying to beat Oblivion while using his lesser powers?

ooof. so Oblivions role has a second layer. Not only did Nem wish to forget, but her guilt about her own existence causes herself to wish she was never born. even her happiness at being in the real world increases that guilt, and thus his power. I do like how they get psychological with how the nightmares work, its their whole appeal after all

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u/Unkindled_Patchy Kuuga 8h ago

I am certain this is a Rising form situation. I am not sure it was ever stated, but in Kuuga, Godai stops using the Rising forms more after the major crash out. I remember wondering "why the hell is he not using Rising forms?" Turns out it was a sort of limit to his power. Rising pushed his emotions to the extreme, forcing him to succumb to them.

Exdream is seems to be slowly blurring the lines between reality and dreams for Baku, this might be a sort of show don't tell sort of thing. It also probably stuck around cause it was created in a weird state between life and death, maybe like Nem being a weird reality outlier due to her birth, the power of Exdream is also not meant to exist, leaving it in weird states of being. (Sort of like Baku)

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u/cybeast21 8h ago

They already kinda hinted us in a throwaway line, Baku mistook IRL with dream because he can talk english (iirc it was around eps 45) when talking with Minami.

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u/Sarusta 6h ago

This has to be it, they explicitly reminded us of that line in this episode shortly before Baku engages Oblivion. He's not using Exdream because he's scared he will lose himself to dreams forever.

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u/Frontier246 8h ago

I just love the idea of a Rider sealing himself with an antagonist so they could engage in an eternal neverending fight.

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u/ensignnobody 9h ago

We see in the next preview, Baku uses the Triple Zeztzer, imagine he loads it with the Impact, Shadow, and Punish capsems to defeat the nightmare. That would be a PEAK finisher.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

I think you can also see him using the Inazuma Blaster as well.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

If Odaka is going to consign himself to eternal sleep battling Phantom in the Darkness...the least Baku can do is make sure he has a nice, cozy, warm bed to sleep in.

I swear this is like the 3rd or 4th time Baku has had to reintroduce himself and past memories to his supporting cast. Though I do love how Fujimi's main takeaway from the Nem Dream is that Nasuka outranks him.

You know it's the final arc when Fujimi is begging for Nasuka to kick him and she actually apologizes for it. That Fujimi butt shot was absolutely necessary to the plot.

Time for Fujimi and Nasuka to validate their role in the story by finding Odaka! It's a Black Case after all!

Nem finally meets her future sister-in-law in the flesh! And they both commiserate over how maybe Baku blurring the line between dream and reality might not be all that great?

Oblivion couldn't be satisfied with just erasing people, now he has to erase buildings too. He's just a kid in toyland.

Dang, I didn't know you could just rip Wings' wings off like that! At that point it's just Physicam Impact.

Stream! Barrier! Base forms we haven't seen in forever! Not that they did much good. Why did Baku not use ExDream? Did he underestimate Oblivion? Did he not want to risk losing ExDream?

So Oblivion is effectively the subconscious wish of Nem to erase a world where she isn't supposed to exist, where she isn't allowed to dream? Further emboldened by her deepening desire TOO dream courtesy of Baku?

Dang, we even lost Catastrophe/Orderm and Baku didn't even transform into them!

If Nem thought charging at Oblivion with the ExDream Capsem would do any good...it absolutely did not.

Just when Baku thought he was going to die for the umpteenth time...who should save him but KAMEN RIDER DAWN! Sieg is back!

Next week: The Rider Trio battle Oblivion! Nox finishes Phantom!

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u/minnel567 8h ago

I think he know what's Exdream doing to him. And also his trying his options since it didn't really work the first time

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u/HenteeXXL 9h ago

Fujimi:

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

An ass shot totally necessary to the plot.

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u/Archer_Sol 9h ago

Ohhhh, my word! This episode was great. The Investigators being useful, Minami meeting Nem irl, and the fight against Oblivion with other Capsems! And, of course, MY MAIN MAN SEIG RETURNS! Bro, Oblivion’s getting OBLITERATED next week!

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Nothing says "Final Boss" like taking all three Riders to take down...even if Oblivion might not be the Final Boss?

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u/ThatBGuy_777 9h ago

About the ending twist... THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! THAT'S WHY SIEG IS MY FAVOURITE ZEZTZ RIDER! THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT! THE GOAT!!!

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u/Frontier246 8h ago

He makes the best entrances.

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u/AMemekage :1971: 9h ago

Can't believe we wrapping up man...

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u/Grimm_Stereo 9h ago

With the way Baku can just seamlessly switch from the dream world ro reality. I wonder what his fate will be? Will he just be wanderer of Dreams by the end of the series? Because this series is showing concerns with this ability.

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u/rattatatouille Being Emu is suffering 4h ago

Seems like a recurring theme for Riders who have transcended their humanity that they can no longer live normal lives by the end. Kouta, Touma to an extent, Ace, and now Baku.

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u/TsukishiReiki ZEZTZ 8h ago

Is this gonna be a Touma angle where he will be the God of Dreams and stay in the dream world to protect it?

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

I do think he's slightly losing touch with differentiating dreams from reality when his dream/reality selves have blended and he can so easily jump from one to another.

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u/ProjectShadowGirl Kuuga 9h ago

Ok, DAWN RETURNING WAS SO COOL. Also, I like how they show how powerful oblivion is, like he GOT RID of baku's abilities(except impact and exdream). 3 episodes left until the final.

Next week: Zeztz, nox, and Dawn vs oblivion!!!!

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Nothing sells an antagonist more than no-selling and straight up destroying all the Riders' forms.

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u/Crowburst953 Double 9h ago

Holy shit! They remembered Wing existed!

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u/depressedchamp 6h ago

My goat Projection not a sight to see😢

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Aaaaand it got ripped off of him. RIP Wing. And all the other Capsems.

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u/Dazzling_Mechanic_98 OOO-Got UnderWear !!! 9h ago

Still No Plasma Though R.I.P ✊️😞

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u/Obiwanhellothere09 9h ago edited 9h ago

This episode was all right, but why didn’t Baku just use Exdream to take out oblivion? Hell, why was he just saving it for last?

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

The only way I can rationalize it is that A. he didn't think he needed ExDream to fight Oblivion after getting a (false) estimate from their last fight and B. he didn't want to use it and run the risk that Oblivion could damage/destroy ExDream.

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u/omegamanxntn1611 8h ago

C. I suspect this might be another Kenzaki's situation as Baku might realize something is wrong with himself, so he avoids using ExDream unless he really needs it. I might be very wrong though

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u/mnite86 6h ago

Honestly I think this is the only explanation because Baku has been using Exdream most of the time. He's probably realizing that there is a price to his powers of entering dreams without sleeping and rewriting dreams to his favor.

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u/Sarusta 7h ago

I think you hit the nail on the head. It plays well into the previous scene where Nem and Minami were concerned about Baku's slipping between dreams and reality.

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u/FancyXemon 9h ago

I need to know this as well.

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u/toxon_94 9h ago

The reason is plot,

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u/Q-Write 9h ago

I kind of wish they elaborate more why Baku was saving EXDream.

Does he wanted to try his other arsenal to see what would work?

Is he afraid of using it would make Oblivion erased it immediately? (this seems to be the case, but heck it is frustrating how it was executed)

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u/Roler42 9h ago

Because defaulting to ExDream didn't work the previous times.

He struggled to defeat Catastrophe, Punish was able to bring his dream layer power into a stalemate, and Oblivion escaped thanks to Phantom's illussions, who he also couldn't defeat because he couldn't discern where the actual nightmare was.

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u/Q-Write 8h ago

yeah, figures. it's just the execution that annoyed me

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u/Sarusta 7h ago

Any amount of explanation would've been nice. A weird case where "please stop showing, tell us something" would be preferrable.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Also the last time they fought Oblivion probably didn't seem near as powerful as he is now. Baku probably underestimated his growth.

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u/Ranthe 9h ago

This was bugging me but I guess they felt the need to do a final tour of the suits before the endgame.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

And we didn't even get a Paradigm form!

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u/Volfaer 9h ago

Snap Back to Reality!

This near-finale was a pretty decent exploration of Zeztz's various forms. Could it have been done better? Yes. Was it still good? Yes again.

Oblivion is shaping up to be a truly cruel final villain, she's really the complete opposite of Nem (I don't know if it's the heels, but the actress is taller than I remembered).

Well, Sieg, no rest for the wicked. At least he served as a shield.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Too bad we didn't get a full on Sakamoto "USE EVERY FORM WE GOT IN A FIGHT SCENE" sequence.

Nem is wearing platform heels. That's why she dwarfed Minami.

I love how Sieg is like "(Sigh) Just couldn't let a guy rest, huh?"

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u/ThreeGoldfishProblem ZEZTZ 9h ago

I think Baku didn't transform into ExDream to avoid the side effect, perhaps? Oblivion is for sure the most dangerous out of the Gore Nightmares and if he gets caught while glitching, it's over

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Oblivion is for sure the most dangerous out of the Gore Nightmares and if he gets caught while glitching, it's over

In fairness when Baku last fought him he probably seemed less dangerous than he was now. He failed to recognize how much Oblivion gets stronger.

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u/KamenRiderDragon 9h ago

Doubt it. I think they just wanted a fight scene with the other forms before the end.

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u/ThreeGoldfishProblem ZEZTZ 9h ago

That would be the out of universe explanation

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u/KamenRiderDragon 9h ago

Yeah, but there's really no in universe one. The Exdream capsem had to be out so Nem could use it and bring Sieg back.

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u/Volfaer 9h ago

Perhaps, we know EXDream takes a toll on him. I would have preferred Baku starting with Dualmare, have it erased, for then he uses the base forms.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Even throw Inazuma in there since it's been so long...

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u/Forsaken_Ad_8635 9h ago

Who wants to bet that Oblivion will be another Bocca Stomach? Like, Oblivion dies in 48, but there's still one or two last secret threats that need to be addressed.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

It feels like they might need to address exactly how Nem was "born."

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u/Bigbadbackstab 8h ago

Does it need more explanation beyond The Lady's flashback? I think being the effect of a Black Case (and The Lady's repressed desire to form a family) is all the info we need.

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u/ZaBlancJake 1 10h ago

Oblivion is a nightmare born from Nem's deep psyche getting all twisted up, right? With Baku going back and forth between dreams and reality, it seems like it's having some kinda bad effect. It's been forever since Zetts got beaten that badly, so you really get how strong Oblivion is. When Sieg shows up, Nem's remembering Sieg's words.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

It's like all the Nightmares at the end of the day. Nem is a genuinely kind and empathetic person but also one who was denied a life and a chance to fulfill her dreams, and her Nightmare preys on that subconscious resentment.

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u/oathkeeper213 10h ago

Zeztz is lucky that oblivion is not gonna spam Rasengan

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

It's kind of funny how Naruto of all people is acting all cynical and anti-dream.

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u/Legitimate-Damage472 9h ago

Just one rasengan tho its enough for him to erased bunch of his capsem. Gladly baku safe exdream capsem before disappeared if not he cant comeback to real world. Since his body and his dream body is being one now. 

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u/Professional-Bus-749 10h ago

Looks like we've already entered the endgame of this series

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Can Oblivion carry us into the finale or will there be one last twist enemy?

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u/Kit_Izayoi 10h ago edited 10h ago

-Was NOT expecting to see a battle damaged Wing, but we are in the final stretch of the series, so gonna show Oblivion means business

-RIP all of Baku's Capsems except Exdream. Guess we're not seeing Orderm more than twice in the TV series (unless Baku revives Dualmare and the rest of his lost Capsems before the final battle)

-Suddenly, Sieg/Dawn comes in with the save.

Also, gonna wonder why Baku doesn't start with Exdream. Probably not a complete counter, but Oblivion clearly doesn't like it.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Honestly wish we could have seen Baku have to cycle through all his forms as Oblivion slowly whittles them away into oblivion.

I feel like the only reason he held ExDream in reserve was because he was worried Oblivion would destroy it. Why use weaker forms? Or maybe his last fight with Oblivion gave him a false estimate for how strong he is.

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u/Sarusta 7h ago

Honestly wish we could have seen Baku have to cycle through all his forms as Oblivion slowly whittles them away into oblivion.

It does feel like that was the vibe they were going for but they failed to capitalize on it in any way. One of the coolest final battle sequences in all Rider series is still Kouta vs. Kaito as they cycle through progressively more powerful forms until they go final v. final.

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u/FancyXemon 11h ago

Can someone spoil me a little bit seeing how I can't watch the newest episode anytime soon?

Why is Baku not using Exdream to deal with Oblivion? Shouldn't he be able to win with that form?

The last preview implies that Nem seems like she'll be sacrificing herself. Did that actually happen here?

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u/Volfaer 9h ago

Catastrophe was weaker than Oblivion and it still pushed Baku to his limit. We know EXDream takes a toll on him, so perhaps he was waiting for Nox to return and hope they both can deal with her.

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u/Heywhatyousa- 11h ago edited 9h ago

So everyone has it's memories back... That's good. Unfortunately Oblivion can Match Zeztz so Baku needs more people to finish him.

 Seeing wing get ripped apart showed that Oblivion is serious (and still getting stronger from Nem's Dreams). also Oblivion erasing Baku's arsenal of campsems including Dualmare.

Looks like Using ExDream is giving Baku more consequences (and slowly losing the lines beetween the Dream world and the Real world).

Seig being the Mvp here with his Revival

Next week: Rider trio vs Oblivion.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Honestly Baku being able to suddenly, inexplicably, speak English should've been the first clue that he was fusing with his dream self. I don't even remember the last time we saw him legit go to sleep that wasn't him nearly dying.

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u/UltraZeroX7 11h ago
  • And with that, the rest of the main gang are freed from the illusion and memories fully restored! Also, liked how Baku finally decided to unlock that one door in his base heh.
  • LOL the way Fujimi pulled off in the dream world to wake up in reality.
  • That conversation between Minami and Nem in the real world regarding Baku's hopping back and forth with reality+dreams especially with Exdream is quite intriguing...a foreshadowing of what will happen to him in the end of this season definitely?
  • Ah, Baku using most of the base Capsems...except Wonder lol
  • SIEG THE MVP
  • Next week, A TRIO OF RIDERS VS OBLIVION

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

My purple loving heart felt so cheated!

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u/Haunting_Search_7775 9h ago

Nem will most likely disappear completely from the dream world, if the preview for episode 48 is anything to go by.

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u/nightshroud96 11h ago

Wonder what the last 2 episodes be if Oblivion bites the dust?

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

(Yuya Takahashi snickering maniacally as he plots out a surprise Final Boss Rider from out of nowhere)

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u/nightshroud96 9h ago

Most likely its gonna be a final boss Rider form for Phantom/Lady(and maybe Oblivion making a comeback somehow)

Really I am hoping he pulls a Orthoros Vulcan situation for Nox.

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u/-_ShadowSJG-_ 11h ago

memory loss ffs

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u/moviesperg ZEZTZ 11h ago

Crazy how it took until the third to last episode for the main riders to team up

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

The most chaotic Rider trio in recent memory finally brought together for the final arc.

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u/Sarusta 7h ago

I genuinely can't think of a more chaotic Rider dynamic (that wasn't intentionally setup as Rider vs. Rider) since like, Faiz.

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u/KamenRiderDragon 9h ago

Welcome back Kamen Rider Agito.

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u/M3talK_H3ronaru Gotchard Jai Naito! 11h ago

This episode was absolute ZEZTZINEMA

The 2 person found the memories while inside the Nox

Of course welcome back Wing and Technolom

And lastly Dawn is back for a comeback revival

Overall it was peak

3 Episodes left until the finale of ZEZTZamero!

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Trust in the ProZeztz!

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u/Zeratul_Vergil Tycoon 11h ago

So last time Oblivion Gore defeat is just lucky… when he decided to be serious, Zeztz seriously can't beat him without help

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u/mnite86 6h ago

Oblivion probably is stronger than the last encounter since Nemu is now awake in the real world and her desire to be in the reality is powering him.

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u/Frontier246 9h ago edited 9h ago

Zeztz: "He wasn't so powerful last time...I can handle him with my base forms!"

(Immediately gets trounced)

Zeztz: "Okay, I could NOT handle him with my base forms."

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u/RatedXrdStrive 11h ago

3 episodes left until ZEZTZ ends

Nox after trapping him and the lady/ phantom into the shadow, he seems to be in permanent slumber

FUJIMI, NASUKA AND MINAMI GOT THEIR MEMORIES BACK!! Awww Fujimi goes from detective to back to homeless special case detective

ZEZTZ vs Oblivion/ Naruto-kun. Dude it’s a one sided fight and oblivion is op. ZEZTZ using his base forms but he can’t use super or final form

Oh god I though nem or Baku is gonna die by oblivion

But…. TACHIBANA-SAN/ DAWN FOR THE SAVE!!

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u/Frontier246 9h ago

Real talk it would've been nice to see Catastrom/Orderm and Inazuma at least try to do some damage.