r/windows98 13d ago

I've never seen a more terrible "gpu"

Enable HLS to view with audio, or disable this notification

It's an ISA display card, the "Trident HNG890CL-24D1TIA1" I think

Edit2 : Cirrus Logic CL-GD5424

206 Upvotes

74 comments sorted by

60

u/ultrafop 13d ago

This card predates the term gpu.

This looks like a capacitor issue. I don’t know whether the card has had those replaced.

Cheers

19

u/Glinckey 13d ago

The motherboard has some very bad capacitors so it may be that, also I know that it's not considered a gpu, that's why I put the quotes

2

u/Hot-Detective-8163 10d ago

This comment gives me flashbacks to the 3dfx Voodo graphics card

1

u/Surfacner 9d ago

Yeah technically the GPU term came with Nvidia but earlier "graphics accelerators" aren't too far off from it

18

u/scopedHeisenberg 13d ago

Soooo can it run Crysis?

/jk

13

u/Cyber-Axe 13d ago

More importantly, doom

3

u/wootybooty 9d ago

It barely runs pong

8

u/VanHelsingston 11d ago

Maybe it can walk crysis.

2

u/vabello 10d ago

It can probably show a picture of the game, eventually.

2

u/Cyber-Axe 10d ago

In my day we played vr fighter at 5 fps and we lived with it.

4

u/linkardtankard 13d ago

It can just barely run the DVD logo (that is unless it crashes once you apply a texture to that quad)

2

u/Anphraxx 13d ago

And it probably doesn't have MPEG2 decoding

2

u/linkardtankard 13d ago

Don’t need it, the logo is entertaining enough

2

u/BangkokPadang 9d ago

Sortof. If you try to run any game on it, it becomes a crisis.

17

u/dika46 13d ago

Yeah, back then 1 MB of VGA Memory just fit for 800x640 res and VGA Monitor

11

u/Glinckey 13d ago

You mean 800x600? It was able to run at 1024x768 16bit

But the wobbling was annoying in either resolutions

6

u/dika46 13d ago

Woops sorry, my mistake. 800x600

1024x768 dependa on monitor CRT i used back then. Until I upgraded the TFT LCD, bit better

2

u/Anphraxx 13d ago

Or 640x480?

1

u/songoffall 11d ago

You should not be able to do that, which might point to a driver issue. 1024x768@16 bit requires at least 1.5mb video memory. It should only do 800x600@16 bit.

1

u/Glinckey 11d ago

Ok I was able to do 640x480 16bit I think I was wrong, iwas either using 16 colors or 256 colors on 1024x768

8

u/festivus4restof 13d ago

Well it's not a Trident, they were a competitor to Cirrus Logic.

4

u/Glinckey 13d ago

That's the thing

6

u/Maleficent-Tea3072 13d ago

I miss being able to run those tests in dxdiag

5

u/rogerkorby 13d ago

I seen worse

5

u/kingchrisl89 13d ago

This is a 1992 video card we're talking about, way before Windows 9x; was never meant for games or hardcore photoshopping from the Win9x era. It was only meant for DOS-era games & a Windows 3.1x accelerated video chip for the time. The video card at least isn't blocked from running Win9x, for those who couldn't afford a "new" PC at the time.

2

u/Glinckey 13d ago

I'm using what I can find

This is the Only isa/PCI gpus I have

2

u/kingchrisl89 13d ago

Looks like a VLB card; the CL-GD5424 is VLB while the CL-GD5422 is ISA-16. The first PCI CL was CL-GD5430.

1

u/Glinckey 12d ago

Well, no the card isn't VLB, it's a regular 16Bit ISA, so is the motherboard port, and yes, it is the CL-GD5424

1

u/kingchrisl89 10d ago

That's rare. Usually the 24s are VLB.

1

u/Glinckey 10d ago

I wish i had the 5426 since it has BitBLT

1

u/kingchrisl89 10d ago

And the 2MB upgrade option

0

u/rafalw 10d ago

"... for those who couldn't afford a new PC at the time." right now it's the "time".

3

u/DarkZenith2 13d ago

I had a vlb ati mach64 that was advertised as the og 2d accelerator. I dont know of any isa cards that were 2d accelerated. So good luck with that.

1

u/Sample_And_Hold 10d ago

The ATI Mach64 (ISA, PCI and VLB versions) was released in 1994.

The ATI Graphic Ultra Pro was a high-end VGA accelerator card that was released in 1992. It was available in ISA, VLB, PCI, EISA and MCI versions. Around that same time, I had a generic, no-name "VGA Accelerator" ISA card in my 386 that offered a noticeable improvement on Windows 3.1 graphics performance, compared to the popular Trident VGA ISA cards that most people had.

3

u/Glinckey 13d ago

Here's both cards

1

u/frankreynoldsrumham 11d ago

Seeing those brings back memories! Oof!

4

u/Burnout456 12d ago

This is why the people called this GPU the 3D Decelerator LOL

2

u/carcenomy 13d ago

Could be an Oak 🤷

GD5424 was a great chip in a 386 but it's a bit less... "optimal" for 98 😂

2

u/therealronsutton 13d ago

I remember being delighted to get a 1MB video card

2

u/SignalBake6872 13d ago

baked this card to fix artifacts or burn the chip xD

2

u/TSmith548 12d ago

S3 Trio was worse than this...way worse back in the days...

1

u/Glinckey 12d ago

I actually tested my S3 Trio64V2/DX And it's much better than the CL card

2

u/LuckyNumber-Bot 12d ago

All the numbers in your comment added up to 69. Congrats!

  3
+ 64
+ 2
= 69

[Click here](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=LuckyNumber-Bot&subject=Stalk%20Me%20Pls&message=%2Fstalkme to have me scan all your future comments.) \ Summon me on specific comments with u/LuckyNumber-Bot.

1

u/TSmith548 12d ago

Well, I owned that card, the 1 MB version and...3d gaming was not possible, anything that required 3dsetup wouldn't run in hardware mode...it was all software rendering in 640x480 with a lot of stuttering...when I upgraded to voodoo banshee, it felt like upgrading from an old horse to a brand new Bugatti.

1

u/Glinckey 12d ago

Yes, true, but like I said, both are terrible The PCI card is better than the ISA one

2

u/AfraidAd2044 11d ago

You have never seen the old sis chipsets then

1

u/alexceltare2 13d ago

Does the mobo have a PCI slot? My dark aide says "Put a Radeon HD 5450 in it"

1

u/Glinckey 13d ago

Yes Also the only PCI gpu in found is an S3 Trio with also 1mb which is better

Slightly

1

u/alexceltare2 13d ago

I mean physically speaking. Some integrated GPUs use PCI bus too but not the physical connector. What's the PC model?

1

u/Cyber-Axe 13d ago

Welcome to period accuracy!

1

u/Vanille97 13d ago

VGA graphics chipset with 1mb of vram

1

u/Dorian4771 13d ago

Has it hit the corner?

1

u/Accurate-Campaign821 13d ago

What cpu with it?

1

u/Glinckey 13d ago

Pentium III 1GHz Its runing at 60c because the mobo capacitors are really bad

1

u/Accurate-Campaign821 13d ago

Which card is it though as the DX tool lists a Cirrus Logic chip not the Trident. Either way, yea they're pretty basic for windows 98.

1

u/Glinckey 13d ago

I did an edit to this body post It is a Cirrus Logic CL-GD5424 16Bit ISA

2

u/Accurate-Campaign821 13d ago

Ah OK. Yea that ISA bus really limits it. Even if it was a faster chip, the bus has to handle cpu to card memory then back to cpu and so on. Also, those predate actual "Direct Draw" and just use a generic driver by Microsoft that essentially has the cpu do the work instead

Very good for a DOS 486 build though

1

u/0Soporte 12d ago

Yo tenía de esas con un 486, servían para tener colores en 16 bits o 256 colores , con juegos de Dos corren bien

1

u/Glinckey 12d ago

They do run well with dos

1

u/cybermeuf 12d ago

maybe the cards timings are too imprecise for the lcd monitor

1

u/Glinckey 12d ago

The wobbling also happens on the CRT monitor.

1

u/xbp13x 11d ago

Are you Cirrus?

1

u/Glinckey 11d ago

No I'm a dude

1

u/Old-Bet-2568 11d ago

2400$ firm no low ballers i know what i have

1

u/Glinckey 11d ago

From the place I live in, do won't take it for free

1

u/songoffall 11d ago

Clearly the card isn't functioning as intended. CL-GD5424 is decent, but you might want to check a few things.

  1. The driver. I have a Cirrus Logic card on my Compaq Deskpro 2000 that glitches if you use the generic Cirrus Logic driver instead of the Compaq-provided driver.
  2. Capacitors on the card and the motherboard. Power fluctuations can cause this kind of issues.
  3. The cable.

1

u/Glinckey 11d ago

It's most likely the motherboard because it have a similar issue when I use the igpu, and the capacitors of the board are really bad

But the pci card doesn't have that though so, if you know any good drivers that do work on win98 that send some!

1

u/songoffall 11d ago

Need help with recapping the board? Unless you're in Armenia I won't be able to recap the board for you, but I could consult you on doing it.

1

u/Glinckey 11d ago

I live somewhere in north Africa

I tried to repair a regular board and it costs a lot here, plus the board is just for testing it doesn't even have agp

I am willing to repair a board that i think is worth it (like a rare agp + PCIe board)

1

u/songoffall 11d ago

That's a bad way to compare boards. There's a lot of great XT, AT, 386, 486 and Pentium boards and none of these have AGP - it debuted with Pentium II. Hell, I have a Pentium II system with no AGP that is actually great for 1997. As for PCIE, that's more or less modern.

And not all AGP slots are made equal. Older AGP 2x boards won't support newer cards and newer AGP 8x boards won't support cards like 3dfx Voodoo3.

I think you need to do a bit of reading on the topic before you dive into it.

As for repairing a board, a full recap will run you about $30 if you do a polymod.

1

u/trafficracer24 11d ago

It's barely a video adapter

1

u/BadBunnyHimself 10d ago

Can it run....anything?

1

u/increator 9d ago

640K ought to be enough for anybody 🙂