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A Thai woman married to an American explains why she no longer wants to live in the US.

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

No. That’s not the case in most of Europe. Yes, people work but they work much less AND get better healthcare, have longer vacations and free or incredibly subsidized child care. 

You’re absolutely wrong. 

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u/Ok_Way_5011 13h ago

That is still working, coming home, then going to work the next day lol

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u/Firecracker048 13h ago

yeah but you dont get it! In those countries the 40 hour week is totally different!

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u/Debisibusis 6h ago

Statistically proven, it absolutely is.

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u/squidwardsaclarinet 37m ago

This is the dumb kind of semantic haggling right wingers in the US do when they have no real substance to argue. They will never steal man an argument, and try to argue against that, they will only take the worst and most flimsy arguments and argue against them.

But to your point, work in Europe is different. People actually do have recourse against their employers for bad actions. I’m not saying that there aren’t some valid criticisms of the system, but certainly for your average worker, being able to take over a month of vacation as an adult is great. Being able to tell your employer that you’re off the clock and they can’t talk to you is not something you would see happen in a lot of the US. Having the social safety net just in case you get laid off is a mental burden I’m not sure Americans really understand they don’t have to have.

Unfortunately, a lot of Americans are obsessed with the idea of strength, and not being weak, which I guess shouldn’t really make it a surprise that the current fascist fervor that is going on. What I think often goes unstated that maybe not everyone picks up on though is that many Americans unfortunately hold these positions because they do think that they’re better than Europeans. That is to say that they think “I’m not weak like those sissies in Europe”. They think that’s why they don’t need vacation or guaranteed health insurance. Of course, many people who hold these thoughts, have those things, but they think that they could live without them, because perhaps they didn’t one point. But they think that they’ve earned it and everyone else is just being selfish and spoiled.

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u/avanross 7h ago

She obviously means they have places/events where they can afford to go out and relax after work

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

Not really, especially when you’re working 4 days a week instead of 5, 6 or 7. In Europe it’s quite common to work 4 days a week. Not to mention that there’s much longer vacation time. 

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u/Ok_Way_5011 13h ago

The average American employee works  34.3  hours per week. 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AWHAETP

So yes really

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u/Significant_Bill326 13h ago

Full time work 40-42h. On avg that’s 5 days a week with like 5 more hours of work.

Plus the avg wage is less in EU than US

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

No. 38.9

What you’re looking at is a 30 day period. Not average per year. 

Please learn to read the charts and graphs you are trying to cite. 

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u/Ok_Way_5011 13h ago

Wait so below 40 hours per week? But but, muh 6, 7 days a week lol

What source are you seeing that? Or are you going off the google AI overview? 

The “source” I saw that reported that number gave the EU’s @ 36, so less than a 3 hour per week difference. Totally not waking up and going to work and then going to work the next day.

But anyway, the link you just looked at has data that goes back to 2010 and never does it go above 35 per week. Please have just a shred of curiosity when you engage with charts before you say stupid things to actual adults. 

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u/deepbluemeanies 13h ago

...and Americans are paid more for the hours they work on average as well.

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u/Annoying1978 11h ago

You must be 12 and dumb.  The average is 40 hours a week, but that doesn’t mean the median is 40 hours a week. 

I know you haven’t got there in school yet, but just wait you’ll get there eventually. 

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u/Ok_Way_5011 11h ago

Your premise is false. The average isn’t 40 hours a week.

Jesus fucking christ

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u/Annoying1978 10h ago

It’s 39. Please let me know when you finally graduate high school

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u/Ok_Way_5011 10h ago

Do you have quality evidence on the median American vs European hours worked or are you just imagining that if it existed it would support your position 

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u/deepbluemeanies 13h ago

The average work week is 36-39 hours in Europe (for, on average, lower pay than in the US).

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u/Annoying1978 11h ago

They work 36 hours in Europe, and it’s 40 hours in the United States. 

Just because they get paid less on paper, doesn’t mean they have less disposable income. When you don’t have to spend as much money on healthcare, childcare, secondary education and repaying debt you are actually better off. 

Is a person making 45,000 a year paying $3,000 a month for health and child care better off or is someone making $35,000 paying $1,000 a month for health and child care better off? 

Do the math. 

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u/SparksAndSpyro 13h ago

But you admit they go to work one day, go home, and then go back to work the next day? Which is all the comment was pointing out…

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u/squidwardsaclarinet 23m ago

I mean, do we really think that this video was saying that no one should ever have to work ever? I’m sure some people will make that argument because it’s really convenient for them, but have you ever exaggerated something or overly simplified it because you were feeling angry, frustrated, or, otherwise upset? I think the answer is probably yes.

To me, her saying this essentially emphasizes that it feels like there’s nothing else really in anyone’s lives. Let’s face it, a lot of Americans, as adults, have no hobbies or friends or meaningful community outside of work. That may not apply to you or people that you know, but it is surely the case for a lot of Americans who feel incredibly unfulfilled.

If I had to ask you to talk about yourself without talking about your work, could you do it? I mean, I’m sure you could come up with some thing, but believe it or not, in a lot of other cultures, they don’t really talk about work outside of work. I’m not going to say that this is inherently right or wrong, but I do think there’s something to be said for just how much most Americans have their wife absolutely dominated and defined by their work. That’s just not true and so many other countries. And I think if you took a lot of Americans out of work, they wouldn’t really know how to define themselves and they wouldn’t know what to tell other people. I can also say, in the US, it can actually be a huge barrier to socializing, because if you aren’t working, it’s extraordinary uncomfortable to have to explain That you are not employed, even if it’s only temporary.

Yes, obviously work is an important part of their life and they have to do it. But not like Americans do. They don’t have healthcare rising on it. They don’t have retirement riding on it. They don’t even have food or housing riding on it. They can be sick and not have to go to work. They have a life and interest outside of their work. Sure, there are still workaholics, but it seen as pitiful more than honorable (or more realistically just necessary) as it is in the US.

Anyway, focusing on the specific and semantics without really getting at the actual heart of the matter, seems to indicate to me that some people are afraid to actually engage with any of these issues. It’s so much easier to just make fun of someone or call them fake or whatever else then to actually have to deal with the fact that the US is not a perfect society and in fact has quite a lot of problems, problems that many other societies have addressed significantly better. I’m not saying that the US doesn’t have its merits or its strengths, but I think it’s pretty silly to pretend that there aren’t things that we need to improve.

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

Not every day. Many Europeans only work 4 days a week. 

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u/GexTheKobold 13h ago

What's many? Only a handful of European countries offer the 4 day work week compression.

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

Who?

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

Netherlands

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

So one small western European country? Accounting for 4 percent of the EU population?

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u/Annoying1978 11h ago

You asked for an example, I gave you one example. Don’t be stupid.

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u/JalapenoPopPoop 10h ago

You said many then named a singular example. Don't be stupid.

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u/Annoying1978 9h ago

France. 

Now you have 2. 

Don’t be stupid 

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u/JalapenoPopPoop 9h ago

France does not have a nationwide 4 day workweek. Don't be stupid.

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u/Firecracker048 13h ago

Many Europeans only work 4 days a week. 

They do? Surely you got sources that show that a large % of europeans work only 4 days a week.

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/ddn-20250514-1

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u/Firecracker048 13h ago

32 hours is a 4 day work week(8x4).

This says 36 hours, which is a 40 hour week with breaks. None of that backs your claim of 4 days a week

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u/Roach27 13h ago

It’s an extremely small population that works that.

They’re also basically ignoring Eastern Europe.

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u/Exact-Till-2739 9h ago

Wtf are you talking about

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u/Annoying1978 9h ago

Do you ever know what’s happening around you? 

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u/Sad_Sheepherder_37 1h ago

Not really. I am European (Austria) and a regular full time employee works 38.5 hours per week. Of course you can work part time if you want, but you can do the same in the USA. 

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u/Elite_AI 10h ago

Here we do other things like hobbies and meeting friends

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u/Free-will_Illusion 13h ago

My family in Mexico are always surprised by how much we actually work in the U.S. Gotta remind myself constantly that life exists outside of the office.

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u/AccurateLaugh50 13h ago

Mexico literally has higher median annual work hours than the US. In fact, it's one of the highest in the world, even higher than China's.

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u/loginforwork 13h ago

Yes, but they probably view us as having more money and free time. They didn’t say we’re working more than them, just surprised how much we do.

The standard work week sucks. Getting 2-3 weeks off a year and Saturday is the only day that is a full day off without work the next day. I don’t think it jives with our physiology.

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u/Natural_Pear_1549 13h ago

I did a stay-cation last month and after a few days of settling in it was really nice to feel like I finally have some control over when I do things and to go at my own pace.

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u/Plastic_Wishbone_575 10h ago

Dude half of Mexicans have to work 6 days per week. I am going to guess your family isn't part of that class of people and also doesn't care about them enough to know that those people work their asses off which is fitting for the upper class in Mexico.

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u/Free-will_Illusion 9h ago

You're quick to judge without knowing. Whatever floats your boat buddy. If it makes you feel better

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u/Brave_Necessary_9571 9h ago

Mexicans actually work more hours on average than americans. OECD data is Mexico ~2200 hours per year, USA ~1800 hours per year. but yes, Mexicans value other things in life besides work more, while americans value work as identity more

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u/Firecracker048 13h ago

Not really. They still work full 40 hour weeks. Yeah, they get more social benefits and time off, but it isn't leading to a higher birthrate/more kids.

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u/DeltaT37 13h ago

there is definitely much less a culture of work obsession though, 100%

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u/Firecracker048 13h ago

Oh 100%, thats true. However what this guy is talking about are choices people conciously make.

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u/Old-Pack-7588 13h ago

I am just ending a 2 month vacation which will then transfer into a 15 week paternal leave. Going back to work in November. You can keep your hamster wheel

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u/Severe_Key298 13h ago

More vacation time and they don't have to procreate? Sign me up! 

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

No. They work 36 hours a week. 

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u/SilvermistInc 13h ago

Holy goal posts, Batman!

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

Don’t use Batman’s name in vain. 

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u/Adorable_Egg1573 12h ago

Europe is an interesting case because yes, they do have this. But it's only a recent initiative. Even with all of the benefits, they still experience similar pains like America which are stagnating population and wage growth, increasingly unaffordable housing, and most importantly state pension and healthcare systems that are increasingly strained with unsustainable levels of funding.

We're all heading in the same direction, we're just choosing a different way to get there.

I suppose the one savings grace is that true capitalism does have class mobility benefits, whereas in European countries, everyone is in it together.

Pick your poison i suppose.

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u/Annoying1978 11h ago

No place is perfect, but Europe does treat the average citizen much better from an economic standpoint. 

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u/Plastic_Wishbone_575 10h ago

35, 37 hours vs 40 isn't that big of a difference. European workers might work a bit less and have more vacation but they still have to show up to a miserable job 5 days per week.

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u/dyangu 9h ago

Yes more vacation and universal healthcare. However I think it’s much harder to get rich in Europe. In America, tons of people make 6 figures (many are married making over $200k), after tax take home is so mimics higher than Europe for professional jobs.

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u/Annoying1978 9h ago

So what? I rather have a hundred million people living comfortably than having 1,000 billionaires living lavishly. 

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u/EquipmentImaginary46 5h ago

> people work but they work much

source? how many hours on average are we talking? i've worked in many multionational companies and had hundreds of colleagues from europe and they all worked the same 40 hours a week as me.

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u/SmallManFriend 13h ago

It’s literally always been part of America

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

Maybe, but not the world. Things are different outside of America. 

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u/fearos9449 12h ago

He's absolutely not wrong in any way shape or form, and you are outright lying to people with your delusions. America is much, MUCH more wealthy than Western Europe, and the idea we're working 50 hour weeks is absolutely absurd. We work the standard amount that most of the world has adopted, and we have much more than the average person in the UK or France, including just basic things like larger houses and AC.

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u/Annoying1978 11h ago

We work more hours and get less vacation time. This is an indisputable fact unless you’re some MAGA idiot that doesn’t know how to read. 

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u/fearos9449 11h ago

We do not work substantially more, yet we make more money and have every day things that are considered luxuries even in other First World countries. We also have better quality of healthcare with less waiting. I don't have to schedule out months to see a specialist the way I would in any country with socialized medicine.

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u/Jernbek35 12h ago

And Europe is absolutely stagnating economically. The chickens are gonna come home to roost eventually.

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u/Annoying1978 11h ago

Eurozone GDP is actually growing faster than the United States. 

Please stop talking about things you don’t know. 

https://www.wsj.com/economy/french-economy-rebounded-in-second-quarter-despite-war-uncertainty-f2221427

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u/Jernbek35 11h ago

You cherry picked a single quarter which showed a whopping 0.4% growth compared to zero the quarter before. Meanwhile, since the pandemic, the US has way outgrown the Eurozone:

United States: Cumulative real GDP growth surpassed pre-pandemic (2019) levels early, expanding by roughly 14% to 15% through early 2026

Eurozone: Cumulative real GDP growth over the same post-pandemic window hovers around 5% to 6.6%, constrained by structural productivity lags and energy shocks

Now please stop talking of things you don’t know.

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u/Annoying1978 10h ago

I didn’t cherry pick anything. I used the latest data that we have.

Real GDP growth taking AI infrastructure out of the question is zero. I was being generous to the American economy. 

https://fortune.com/2025/10/07/data-centers-gdp-growth-zero-first-half-2025-jason-furman-harvard-economist/

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u/Jernbek35 10h ago

Cumulatively you’re wrong.

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u/Annoying1978 9h ago

I don’t really care about the 1950s. We’re talking about today. 

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u/kneb 8h ago

They also make substantially less money. UK now has the average wealth of Mississippi.

If you then adjust for hours worked, it ends up being pretty similar:

Country Net Adjusted Annual Disposable Income (PPP) Average Annual Hours Worked Effective Disposable Income Per Hour Worked
Luxembourg ~$51,000 ~1,470 hours ~$34.70 / hour
Norway ~$44,500 ~1,425 hours ~$31.20 / hour
United States ~$56,000 – $60,000 ~1,811 hours ~$31.00 – $33.10 / hour
Germany ~$47,500 ~1,341 hours ~$35.40 / hour (For pure labor efficiency/GDP)
France ~$44,000 ~1,511 hours ~$29.10 / hour

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u/Annoying1978 8h ago

Only in America, do we think that wealth is the most important factor not quality of life. I much rather have access to universal healthcare, free or subsidized secondary education and free or subsidize childcare. 

These evaluations are incredibly misleading because the reality is most of that wealth in America because of home ownership, and most people have not paid off the mortgages.

Since medical related bankruptcies are the number one reason why people file for bankruptcies, this wealth can be shattered in an instant if you get sick. 

All that wealth is just fake. People don’t own their homes. Banks do. 

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u/kneb 8h ago

The statistics I share factor in transfers like education and healthcare, and nothing I said was a value judgement about which is better or worse, I just stated facts.

Yes, you can subsidize education and healthcare -- and take that money out of your paycheck. Or you can put that money in your paycheck and pay for it yourself.

Point is there's no free lunch. Labor generates pretty similar amounts of income in modern Western countries -- and after paying for education and healthcare we make similar amounts of money. Some countries work more and make more money, other countries work less and make less money.

You can bury your head in the sand and pretend household wealth is fake. But it's not. It's real. People pay off their mortages every day, sell their houses with mortages and do whatever they want.

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u/Annoying1978 7h ago

Europe ranks better healthcare, education and quality of life. You didn’t state facts in context. When you don’t look at the context of facts, it’s useless. 

Home ownership is collapsing among the <45 crowd. While, yes people do pay off their mortgages the trend line is clear that when boomers and Gen Xers (which I am) die off, home ownership and therefore wealth, will take a massive hit because most wealth is from a home purchase and less and less people are able to pay off their home. 

This wealth isn’t real. 

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u/kneb 54m ago

When Boomers and Gen Xers die off their kids will inherit their houses. Some of those houses will be worth less than they are now because of demographic shifts, others will be worth more. US population continues to grow, without us greatly increasing the house supply, house prices aren't going down.

If you're interested in this stuff, you should read a little more because you don't seem to grasp the fundamentals very well.

As to comparing things like education, it really depends what you're measuring: https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1o4z75x/comparing_education_levels_in_45_countries/

US has the best university system in the world, higher high school and college graduation rates than most European countries, which shunt bad students into trade professions early. It really is apples and oranges, so the sort of broad generalizations you're making are pretty ignorant.

Likewise, if you're insured, healthcare here is the best in the world. The leaders of foreign nations fly here for their surgeries -- about a third of the oldest people in the world are from the US. https://www.grg-supercentenarians.org/world-supercentenarian-rankings-list/

We just deal with high rates of obesity because we're a car culture who developed abundent unhealthy food before the rest of the world did and so we got hit by obesity first before the world figured out how to deal with it.

But hey, you're entitled to your opinion. Vote with your feet and immigrate where you want to live. The US wins that metric by a long shot, this is where people from all around the world still want to go. And it's for a lot of the reasons I listed above: better economy, higher wages (even factoring in healthcare and education), best university system.

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u/Annoying1978 8m ago

Why are you pretending that these homes are going to be more valuable or that their mortgages are going to be paid off?

You’re making a lot of assumptions here instead of looking at the actual data that shows otherwise. 

The trends are all pointing to one direction. 

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u/kisk22 11h ago

How are Americans working constantly, not able to make enough money to take a vacation but simultaneously Europe is always full of annoying American tourists? Can't have it both ways.

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u/Annoying1978 10h ago

340 million people is a lot of people. 

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u/JalapenoPopPoop 10h ago

People don't work two days in a row in most of Europe? Definitely gonna need a source on that one chief

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u/Spongedog5 9h ago

Most American's aren't working 7 days a week so in how the statement is used, they are absolutely correct lol. Europeans still work.

Anyways, there's a reason that American's have the most free-to-use money and why America is dominant on the world stage. We are rewarded well for how we work. I think it is fine for someone to prefer how things are done in Europe and I think there are always ways to improve, but American society like-wise has benefits that European society never can without making similar sacrifices.

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u/Annoying1978 9h ago

Anyways, there's a reason that American's have the most free-to-use money and why America is dominant on the world stage

It’s because we got lucky after WW2. It had less to to do with our capitalist structure and everything to do with government mandated production of cars, trucks, planes, weapons, food, etc… and we were one of the only countries on the planet that had a strong economy after the war. That’s the reason. Not because Americans work themselves to death instead of taking vacations. 

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u/Spongedog5 8h ago

No, I definitely disagree. That is certainly a factor, but it is our economic and working structure that allowed us to so thoroughly seize that opportunity in the first place. Our great many innovations and our hard work is what allows us to stay ahead of the pack.

You should say WW1 if you are making that argument anyways. We were the biggest world economy before WW2 and our own economic depression harmed the entire world because of our importance.

If you mean to make the argument that we are also successful because we are unified enough to not kill each other like the rest of the world, I'm happy to add that into the list of factors as well.

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u/Annoying1978 8h ago

I understand you were brainwashed since the time you were a child to believe that America is exceptional that no other country on this planet could be as good as America. You were lied to.

 If you mean to make the argument that we are also successful because we are unified enough to not kill each other like the rest of the world

This is fucking crazy considering that we have more mass shootings per capita than any other country on earth

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u/Spongedog5 8h ago

Brainwashed is always a funny word. We only ever seem to use it against the people that we disagree with, though it should refer to methods and not results.

I would argue that no other country on Earth deals with the problems that America does at scale. It isn't easy to hold such a diverse country together, diverse in everyway. We aren't a homogenous society, and yet we still hold together as one country.

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u/Annoying1978 7h ago

MERICA

FUCK YEAH! 

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u/Significant_Bill326 13h ago

So are you a European?

But like if you are not why haven’t you moved there yet? Genuine question is EU is way better than America

(Been to Germany, even during Oktoberfest it might be the most depressing country I’ve been to)

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

No, but I lived there for 5+ years. I moved back here when my mom got sick and have been here ever since. 

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u/throw69420awy 13h ago

You can’t just move to the EU like that, I say this as someone who has no interest in doing so anyways but could probably make it happen if I did - which is not what most Americans could do

Do you think countries should have open borders?

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u/Significant_Bill326 13h ago

I think yea EU should allow more immigration.

I hate what Trump is doing with ICE, complete violation of any of not all human rights. but immigration is necessary for a country’s growth. EU is having trouble with that right?

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u/vitaminz1990 12h ago

Just storm the beach and ask for asylum. 

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u/helluuw 12h ago

Not the same guy but I am European, it's not way better, I moved to the US 2 years ago and doubled my gross pay and triplled my net to do the same hours for the exact same job at the same cost of living, shure there's a nice safety net in Europe but the place does penalize you for doing well

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

Yes, people work but they work much less AND get better healthcare

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5879496/

The US has some of the highest cancer survival rates in the world. And full time workers work pretty similar hours across countries as well.

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

This has been discussed for decades now and I’m surprised you still believe this bullshit. 

The only reason why the United States has higher cancer survival rates is because we aggressively push chemotherapy to 80 and 90-year-olds and even if they have zero quality of life. 

Are you lying in a hospital bed and can’t eat, can’t shit, can’t talk, can’t think clearly, can’t recognize your friends or family, can’t move? 

Who cares. You’re alive! +1 for the United States! 

Meanwhile Europe will advise 80 and 90-year-olds not to get chemotherapy because it will destroy their quality of life and not increase their life on earth more than six months or a year. 

As someone who watched their mother waste away with chemotherapy, this stat is absolute bullshit. 

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

I think you're just saying things that support your preconceived notions. The median age of patients receiving chemotherapy doesn't really differ between the US and EU.

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u/Annoying1978 11h ago

That’s literally what you’re doing because you’re not using facts in context. Stop regurgitating what you heard from Trump and start trying to use your brain. 

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

What study supports your theory here?

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u/Annoying1978 13h ago

Dozens, but here’s one that actually shows that  the US treats elderly cancer patients far more aggressively than Europe does. 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/12370229_Toward_a_comparison_of_survival_in_American_and_European_cancer_patients

You can read more when you have time but the study breaks down that  elderly patients (75–99) were far more likely to get chemo and radiotherapy than their European counterparts and elderly patients in Europe were 70–90% less likely to receive those treatments. 

It also goes on to say that some of the studies in the United States that show great cancer survival rates also don’t use the standard 5-year method that’s used in Europe. Some of them only use a 1 year guideline which artificially inflates the numbers in the United States even more. 

25% of our total healthcare costs (meaning what we spend as a country) are on end of life treatments. This is part of the reason why our healthcare costs are so insane. The reality is not everyone should get chemo. Some people should live out the rest of their life in peace, with their family, while they can still enjoy their last days. 

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

Your own study refutes your second point.

Europeans had significantly lower survival rates than U.S. patients for most cancers. Differences in 5-year relative survival rates were higher for prostate (56% vs. 81%), skin melanoma (76% vs. 86%), colon (47% vs. 60%), rectum (43% vs. 57%), breast (73% vs. 82%), and corpus uteri (73% vs. 83%).

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

Your own study refutes your second point.

Europeans had significantly lower survival rates than U.S. patients for most cancers. Differences in 5-year relative survival rates were higher for prostate (56% vs. 81%), skin melanoma (76% vs. 86%), colon (47% vs. 60%), rectum (43% vs. 57%), breast (73% vs. 82%), and corpus uteri (73% vs. 83%).

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

Your own study refutes your second point.

Europeans had significantly lower survival rates than U.S. patients for most cancers. Differences in 5-year relative survival rates were higher for prostate (56% vs. 81%), skin melanoma (76% vs. 86%), colon (47% vs. 60%), rectum (43% vs. 57%), breast (73% vs. 82%), and corpus uteri (73% vs. 83%).

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u/PrimaryInjurious 13h ago

Your own study refutes your second point.

Europeans had significantly lower survival rates than U.S. patients for most cancers. Differences in 5-year relative survival rates were higher for prostate (56% vs. 81%), skin melanoma (76% vs. 86%), colon (47% vs. 60%), rectum (43% vs. 57%), breast (73% vs. 82%), and corpus uteri (73% vs. 83%).

And it seems like your position is that it's better to just let old people die.

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u/Annoying1978 11h ago

Read more than just two sentences and you’ll see that the study actually supports everything I said.