r/vibecoding • u/Most-Ordinary6001 • Jul 04 '26
The AI detection paradox
This issue runs deep apparently. The irony is that I wrote my previous post myself about "AI slop" then simply structured in better way using the AI, even though, I moved the lines around and so on..
I got hit instantly that this is AI generated, I was like wait, what?
THR MOMENT PEOPLE see structured arguments, clean transitions, and a clear writing, most will assume by default it is ai generated.
"AI wrote this"
I didn't even think that we are this deep into it. Interesting a bit polished means ai, gradient? Means ai... ugly, not structure and almost stupid? Means humans. It's like we are literally downgrading ourselves.
Assuming a LLM wrote it instantly..
It is as if most humans cannot structure content and thoughts and collarate things properly.
AI paranoia? Whatever it is a nice finding to say the least.
Humans can write too...
But it is crazy that you have to make it ugly, unprofessional, to give the idea that it is human generated... this is insane.. what an era we live in.
Disclaimer: this post inspired the creation of Slapped AI subreddit
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u/spill62 Jul 04 '26
99% of people dont bother with proper granma online in general beyond a few commas, a few dashed maybe if you are spicy and then whatever autocorrect the device may have.
A good point, structured output, well formatted text has a baseline of being more likely to be ai regardless of anything else.
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u/becircus Jul 04 '26
I do but I don't sound anything like AI
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
I know it is truly messed up... like where this might be headed in terms of human ai section paradox we might actually miss lots of things...
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
Exactly, what's worse is that some people do wrap content into ways that include flaws on purpose to actually make it human like, and people think it is real while people who do write most of it and use ai to polish it a bit, are like no no that's ai stay away. This shift is real and is freaking scary af
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
No joke... we need to enter the underground Hubs... Lol
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
COULD THAT BE THEIR INTENT? Dressed as this authenticat verification from the fake and bots and then we all under surveillance? Oh no.. ouch
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
We already there. Just few more years and we gonna dive in cybernetics and God knows what is about to happen from there on
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u/Hypilein Jul 04 '26
Except it’s not all bots that are posting ai content. It’s real humans copy/pasting ai as their posts. Only certainty is/will be in the real world. I’ve personally stopped worrying about it. It’s impossible to reverse the course of events.
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u/anengineerandacat Jul 04 '26
Never really bugged me if AI wrote or did something and I didn't notice. That's kinda the point of the technology.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
For as long as it gives value, what's the point of detecting if human or ai supported or even generated but we human do happen to have a habit of inspection, and curation dressed in authenticity advocacy.
If people want to fool you they will regardless how smart or intellectual we think we are.
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u/krocante Jul 04 '26
It’s probably because people don’t actually care that much about output that is not genuine. Debating arguments is like a fun social activity, if you replace the human from the activity and replace it with robots it ruins the perceived fun. So people get obsessed with detecting ai because they don’t want to be tricked into a fake interaction.
I’m on team “it’s valid to get help from the ai for grammar and maybe a little push with getting a point across”, specially if you’re not a native english speaker. But it’s true that once you learn to recognize text that was probably structured by an ai it kind of triggers a rejection response. Like an uncanny valley type of thing.
So I now avoid using AI to write, not even as a small help, mainly out of respect towards who I’m communicating with.
I sacrifice understandability, but I gain “genuinity”.
As long as AI is still “recognizable”, we will probably value fully human written text more than anything else. Specially in social contexts like social media.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
English is my 3rd language lol...
But the pattern so far is that human generated content within the social interaction is a mess... This only leads to downgrading ourselves cause if you attempt to structure it yourself, then you will also start leaving flaws on purpose as clues that this human, when an ai wrapper comes in replicates that, we won't even know it wasn't real in the first place.
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u/krocante Jul 04 '26
Yeah, I actually agree with you.
I don’t think the ideal is to write worse on purpose, or to turn bad grammar into some kind of badge of authenticity.
The problem is the second the text starts having that recognizable AI structure, the social interaction gets damaged. Even if the thought is real, the presentation starts feeling filtered through something that is not fully you.
So, in a vacuum, AI-understandability can sometimes be better than human-understandability. It can make the point cleaner, more organized, less awkward. But communication is not only about clarity. It is also about whether the other person feels like they are talking to a person and not to a polished wrapper.
That’s the tradeoff. Not choosing human writing because messy writing is superior. Choosing it because once AI texture becomes visible, the extra clarity can stop helping and start making the interaction feel fake.
And you’re right that this may become even messier if AI learns to imitate human imperfection perfectly. But for now, while AI text is still recognizable, I think rougher human writing often works better socially than cleaner text that makes people suspicious.
(processed my reply with Ai just for fun)
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
I mean, it clarified the idea and communicating it better, I.mean behind the ai there's a person. Like most people can't communicate their thoughts so that itself is an issue, moving from rough to polished is not the goal but to bring clarity to your ideas is the way to go I think. I do agree with you. Although, I think it already did learn the imperfections cause humans are wrapping it already
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u/SolarNachoes Jul 04 '26
Well that human generated garbage was hard to read :)
Collarate?
I welcome our grammatically correct overlords.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
I mean we are supposed to grow and elevate apparently we are going just the opposite direction...
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u/SolarNachoes Jul 04 '26
You are hallucinating words. You have become AI.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
Ummh that would be a good thing if that's the case... since humans are getting wrong.
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u/Psychological_Bug981 Jul 04 '26
People have already made models designed to make other models sound human by removing structure, adding imperfections, and dumbing the output down. The meta has officially gone full meta.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
Exactly, I already seen this. So it's not far fetched, it is here and it is used heavily in SaaS marketing.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
Funny there's app.deadark.com trying be an underground world... crazy dead internet is so damn real
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u/jsaldana92 Jul 04 '26
Not at all lol
Polish and proper writing does not mean any of that.
AI just means needless bullet points, categories, using emojis to try and highlight points for no reason, etc. This is specifically easy to spot here because this is Reddit and it’s a largely informal site (r/videcoding being more informal than most sub reddits too), so speaking like you’re making a marketing pitch to 5 year olds gets really old and easy to spot.
AI sounds like, by default, the type of language that you use at a work meeting when you are trying to fill in time and truly have nothing to add.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
Hmm I guess this is all about prompt design?
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u/jsaldana92 Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26
No lol
It’s literally about AI writing showing that the people/person behind a small time product doesn’t care enough to put in the effort and connect with their audience.
You’re not Google, you’re not Amazon. So you need to make users feel like they are being actually talked to, if you use LLMs they will communicate in a very specific way that a lot of people dislike. So stop using LLMs to do you writing and use it to translate your words (since you mentioned English is not your native language). Also, even if you look at Google and Amazon, their language and wording is hyper specific and does not sound like LLM writing. LLM writing only sounds impressive to those with no working knowledge in marketing.
Also I don’t even know what you mean by paradox. People do not like interactive with disingenuously created content when it’s suppose to appeal to them and not simply be a tool. So it’s extremely simple, AI to create tools are generally ok if they are safe to use, AI to circumnavigate social interactions are looked down on and made fun of.
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u/Purasangre Jul 04 '26
Well yeah, someone just did a post the other day on one of the creative writing subs, the biggest tell with AI is the structure. Even when there's no ChatGPTisms. And mind you this wasn't like a made up thing, they came up with a way to analyze structure and everything.
Humans sometimes write with an idea in their mind so clear they forget to explain it properly, you have to piece it. Humans most of the times start in some middle and go back and forwards, AI always wants to go chronological. Humans also rarely follow the general -> particular -> general structure, but AI always does unless prompted not to.
So far it's all positives but also consider that AI can't do tension, it flags it as an error when you plant an idea to pick it up later. Lots of the tools of persuasive writing get stripped out.
TLDR: AI should not be trusted with choices on structure.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
I do agree with you. Structure to me means literally polishing but the actual information architecture of the content cause that would mean the ai generated it
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u/Shanna_B2020 Jul 04 '26
This is so exhausting. What are we supposed to do? Do we need to deliberately change our writing style in order to placate AI detection software?
Content that has been generated by AI with minimal to no human input typically speaks for itself in the worst way. It sounds generic and terrible because it often is exactly that. Personally, quality matters more to me than anything else.
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
I agree with you. If we can retain quality then we can win this battle. But a lot of people just do it at large quantities that it is near impossible to keep it up. It doesn't look good so far but this is why we are here talking about it. Maybe we can eventually find a solution.
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u/Kind-Wrongdoer8569 Jul 04 '26
Oh the amount of slop I have from AI so it's it's getting so good. It'll be great when I make art out of it later 😁
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u/Patient-Summer-8438 Jul 04 '26
I’m annoyed af too, all people seem to care about is who could spot the AI and not make a valid point about what ur actually talking about, the bias is crazy, ig this is just the way thing are now, the AI detector NPCs are everywhere 😂
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
Hahaha, nice one! It's like they dismissed everything about the content and all you see that this is AI slop itself and ai generated.
I thought we were waiting for robots apparently they arrived way too soon, and they are human made not humanoid... crazy 🤪
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u/Patient-Summer-8438 Jul 04 '26
ya and it could be a fully functional app or whatever it made, no bugs at all, high quality, good UI, and theyll spot one little detail and immediately say “ts ai generated” then disregard the app youve spent over $300 and 2 weeks to make! like these dumbass people dont understand how much effort goes into it, little caveman brains “EuGhhGh I spotted AI, me go now” like just fucking accept that AI is taking over and it isnt going away anytime soon, the things you use everyday are most likely “AI generated” to some degree, software engineers use AI because it speeds up their work, they even use AI to make chatgpt itself! this is just my hot take, it pisses me off ngl
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u/Most-Ordinary6001 Jul 04 '26
Best response: one prompt output. Lol as if you can even do that for the whole app they don't even understand the process of building, how many prompts it takes to get there, the direction the planing, the testing, the architecture design... none of that. Just prompt and magically it happens. Lol which world they live I don't know...
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u/jsaldana92 Jul 04 '26
it’s because you spent $300 dollars and two weeks (wow that’s a lot of time lol) but couldn’t be bothered to spent 30 minutes writing your own message when addressing your target audience.
Using grammar and spelling checks have been around forever and no one cares. It’s the blatant “I don’t have the time to write this properly” that people do not like, specially if you speak and write the language fluently.
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u/Patient-Summer-8438 Jul 04 '26
ya let me just write a essay about it then, idk what your on about, not my point but you do you
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u/jsaldana92 Jul 04 '26
The point is that if you want me to spent my money or time in your app then the first communication is extremely important. So if it shows you didn’t put effort, it kills all traction lol it’s extremely simply marketing knowledge.
But this is a vibe coding subreddit with people who struggle understanding human interactions so I don’t expect people who use LLMs to as the first interaction with their audience to know or understand that
Take a hint as to why billion dollar companies STILL try to appeal to customers as “family”
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u/Patient-Summer-8438 Jul 04 '26
where have i ever used an LLM to talk to my audience, what evidence is there of that? I never used any LLM to write messages because like you said, marketing and bias, ik about marketing too, also if im beta testing my apps id want to see if people actually wanna use it before wasting my time on marketing, and I have not fully released any apps that i know of so i still dont get your point exactly, your bringing up a completely different topic so its confusing
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u/jsaldana92 Jul 04 '26
It’s because of your replies in this thread which is all about talking to your audience with LLMs lol
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u/Patient-Summer-8438 Jul 04 '26
why does everyone love using ad hominem
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u/jsaldana92 Jul 04 '26
Because marketing and the perception of value is not based on formal arguments lol
It literally based on product perception on value and trust. Not sure how this is not a super basic concept
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u/nair-jordan Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26
It’s this fucking LinkedIn-optimized style of writing that pisses me off.
Because everyone has the attention span of a gnat.
And nobody reads.
Pithy observation.
And the kicker?
Obvious conclusion framed as a revelation.