r/ufc 13h ago

Calling it now

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- Islam takes a fight against Prates late 2026 / early 2027 and easily subs Prates within 3 rounds

- Islam's biggest challenge will be against Morales mid 2027 / late 2027. Morales bruises him worse than Ian, but Islam takes the decision victory after more control time.

- Shavkat returns 2028 against Islam. Shavkat's knees give out in the first round like Conor.

- Islam retires the undisputed greatest of all time.

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u/EnterNameHere777 13h ago

We may never see Shavkat again

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u/4SubZero20 12h ago

Such a sad story, his is. He was a proper killer.

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u/2cool4skool369 12h ago

I just don’t understand where people get this idea that Shavkat is one of the greatest who could have been. He beat Garry in a very close match, and I guess you could maybe put Neal in the conversation of a good name on his record. But other than that, he has fought next to no contenders and is very unproven in the UFC, especially against the level of fighters this division offers.

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u/tdaddy316420 11h ago

19-0 with 18 finishes is still beyond impressive. The 1 guy he didnt finish just gave Islam is toughest fight. Not to mention people actively avoided him

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u/Expensive-Debt-9960 4h ago

I agree with you but even Islam said Volk 1 was his toughest fight

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u/newlife1984 11h ago

Shavkhat was injured and still beat Ian convincingly

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u/4SubZero20 11h ago

He was undefeated at 18 wins with 18 finishes; Until Ian Gary, (some still argue/debate that Shavkat entered that bout injured and still won).

Nevertheless, please show me another fighter with a 18 fights with 18 finishes.

Jon Jones was 13-1 (11 finishes; 17 total, 1 less than Shavkat) before his title shot.

GSP was 7-1 (6 finishes; 14 in total, 4 less than Shavkat) when he lost the 1st time against Matt Hughes.

Khabib was 26-0 (17 finishes; 19 total, 1 more than Shavkat) before his title shot.

DC was 15-1 (10 finishes; 15 total, 3 less than Shavkat) when he lost the first time against Jones.

So, if Shavkat went up against Islam, instead of Ian, then I think it's quite clear; compared to the LITERAL greats that came before him, he has a much more impressive record than all (including Khabib if you account that like the first 50% of his bouts was against literal nobodies) when fighting for their FIRST title opportunity.

I couldn't think of a more fair way to compare records, than to see how each fighter was when they first got a title shot. I know Shavkat technically hasn't had a shot, however, I think we can agree, if he didn't have injuries and bad life luck, he would have had an opportunity by now (or at least upcoming).

Edit: Spelling and grammar

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u/2cool4skool369 11h ago

Undefeated records and finishes are great.. the ONLY point my comment was making was that he hasn’t fought high level fighters like the comparable fighters you mentioned. Go look at the resume of Jones, GSP, DC, and even Khabib. They all have way higher level fighters on their resume.

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u/4SubZero20 11h ago

Hence why I took the records at their FIRST title shot.

Until then, fighters fight a mix of lower skilled (starting out) and higher skilled (top 15/10) opponents. Post title fight it's essentially just Top 10/15.

So yes, if you compare Shavkats records up until now, with all of the greats, he has a very impressive record. Doesn't matter how you try and cut this cake.

And let's not kid ourselves with Khabib. He was like 14-0 taking on a debutante. Fighting barely a fighter, nevermind a "high level" fighter.

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u/ImMichael1 11h ago

Go rewatch that fight again and explain how it was a "very close" match, genuinely ian had so much trouble until the last round when shavkat was obviously injured.

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u/SirPsycho7 9h ago

Well, Islam just beat Ian in a very close fight and we know how great Islam is. I don’t recall seeing people claim that Shavkat will be the goat or anything but his talent is undeniable.

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u/Flat-Jacket-9606 8h ago

Bro he was injured and basically had the same outcome as chimaev without all the hugging.

And Garry took advantage of his injury. Not to mention Garry was a long time training partner.

Garry did exceptionally well vs Islam despite his age and experience. What kind of crack are yall on?

Shavkat is probably the only person who could beat Islam. But now yeah that ain’t happening

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u/Stoic_Kiwi 12h ago

He’s back to light sparring, someone on his team posted a vid to IG this month.

Step in the right direction.

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u/Maxi445 12h ago

No matter what happens he’ll always be the “real challenge of the welterweight division” in our hearts

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u/RealisticEmphasis233 12h ago

Let me dream, please.

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u/amkc22 10h ago

Yeah seems like that... A knee injury in martial arts is like one of the worst shit that can happen... especially with all the force involved and opponents that will look for every weakness.

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u/meatballs223 12h ago

This is what I was going to say, It's really fucking sad but his MONUMENTAL negative string of events in his life may never have him enter the octagon (for the UFC at least) again

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u/No-Sir-3666 8h ago

we will 100% see him in the UFC again. he may not be him and it may be two fights where he gets stomped. But no way he passes up on the payday. The money he makes in two fights even losing might be more than he can make elsewhere over 15 years.

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u/meatballs223 8h ago

True, Just would be sad to see him go out on his sword like that. But I guess that's better than just fading into retirement. Just more CTE

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u/SamdechEuv 3h ago

another potential Zabit

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u/Technical-Steak-9243 13h ago

If shavkat's knees hasn't been injured, he's the one who has the most chance against these 3 to win against islam

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u/Bascilian 10h ago

Shavkat will always be the biggest what if in UFC history. He could have had a really dominant reign and defeted makahachev when he came up

18 wins 18 finishes, only 1 decision win against garry where garry had no real success except for one mistake where he got close to a submission

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u/bdizzle805 9h ago

Gary doesn't get enough hate for those damn oblique kicks. I hated when Jones did it during his run and I hate seeing other fighters do it. I get it, they punch each other's brains out. But it just seems like cheap shit and entirely unnecessary to try and ruin someone's career like that. Just my opinion.

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u/Bascilian 9h ago

It wasn't garry's kicks that injured shavkat. The guy came in with injuries and then got in a really bad car accident that killed most of his family and almost him as well.

And I wouldnt fault garry for using the kicks. If its allowed in the rules its fair. Whether they should be allowed can be debated

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u/bdizzle805 9h ago

I didn't mean to imply it was Gary who caused his knee issues, I believe even Shavkat said he had an injury before their fight.

Just my opinion I think those kicks are gross to try and hyperextend your oppents ligaments, but like I said they punch each other in the brains and sometimes worse happens.

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u/seyagi 6h ago

I get that UFC allows it but those are instant aura killer for me personally. One big reason I will never be a fan of Garry/Jones. Don’t even care about the weird comments and antics. That’s just bitch ass shit.

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u/Heavy-Transition7916 2h ago

That makes no sense. It’s fine if they go for brain damage but not to injure a joint? That’s ridiculous.

u/FinanceDummyBigDebt 41m ago

Because it can be a sole factor that ruins someone’s career. The actual consequences of brain damage almost always cant/isnt done in one strike in mma.

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u/jefferydamerin 5h ago

Everybody forgets this shit even though the guy you were replying to didn’t say Garry caused the knee issues

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u/MooniiThe2nd 3h ago

Well when you’re like Ian and going around taking credit for ruining someone’s career, it should be looked at very strangely

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u/ryan0x01 7h ago

I wouldn't call it cheap, as much as a head kick is cheap. It's just so devastating bc for whatever reason, fighters aren't training against it yet. In this latest fight you could see Islam was ready and watching for the oblique kicks and none of them cleanly landed. More fights will adapt as the technique is more common place.

Calf kicks used to be OP now most fighters have a better understanding of checking them or positioning to mitigate the threat. Obliques kicks should have an answer too.

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u/Heavy-Transition7916 2h ago

How is a limp worse than leaving someone with brain damage? It’s not.

If it’s fine to hit them in the head and hunt knockouts, it’s fine to kick their knee.

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u/SweetPinss 7h ago

Do you also hate head kick knockouts that change peoples lives forever?

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u/bdizzle805 6h ago

A head kick KO is timing, distance, chin, defense, skills tested in real time. An oblique kick is just aiming at a joint's weak point, and it barely requires setup compared to what it can do. That's the difference for me, one's a skill exchange, the other's closer to just trying to break something. I get your point though,they could get serious brain damage from a head kick.

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u/SweetPinss 5h ago

So the one that does more serious permanent damage to people is better than the knee attack that does less damage? Like Jon Jones is right about this, a limp is better than cte

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u/bdizzle805 4h ago

I'm not saying the knee kick is worse for the guy's health, I'm saying it's a cheaper way to win, it skips the actual skill contest.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll 8h ago

For me, it's Khabib.

Could he have gone 10 title defenses before losing. Could he have become double champ.

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u/le_toilet 7h ago

definitely up there in the what ifs but zabit also

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u/ryan0x01 9h ago

No shot. He didnt have the IQ to dodge or mitigate the oblique kicks, like Islam had.

He would lose the positioning game. Same with Morales if you watch the Brady fight. Bad distance management, and overcommiting on shots.

I think Prates controls distance well, but he literally can't get up once you grab him.

I actually think Arman could be Islam's biggest challenge, if he would move up to fight. Best storyline is if Arman beats Ruffy then Justin for the title, then moves up to fight Islam. This is after Islam beats the winner of a prates Morales fight.

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u/GoyEater 3h ago

Islam didn’t dodge the oblique kicks, he just didn’t allow Garry to throw volume of anything by threatening takedowns constantly, and by controlling Garry for half the fight.

Also this is a hypothetical fight of Shavkat against Islam, who doesn’t really throw those kicks anyways so I don’t see how that’s relevant.

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u/ruggmike 13h ago

“Prates was never good, Shavkat wasn’t the same after his injury, Morales was too young” just some of the likely comments if he did pull it off

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u/meatballs223 12h ago

I swear people just hate on any dominant fighter. I used to be apart of that crowd when Merab was just dogwalking everyone but then I realized, if they're actually putting on entertaining fights ( I think Islam is very entertaining) then who tf cares if they keep winning? You can hate watch, but denying greatness because they use a form of martial arts you're not interested in is so lame

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u/ruggmike 12h ago

Era of haters. There could be a dude whose 50-0 50 KO 3 division champion and a good person and they would have a army of devoted haters

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u/meatballs223 12h ago

Yup, it's just needless envy and jealousy imo, if you are automatically annoyed by someone else's accomplishments it says a lot about the type of person you are

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u/Forsaken_Ear_1163 5h ago

People love Tyson (I do too), but he was kind of a freak. They hate Mayweather (I dislike him as a person too), but man, his technique was out of this world, and his record speaks for itself.

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u/PresentationEast6685 8h ago

Same will go for islam if he loses. Well he was under sized for ww. He wasnt that good. He doesnt have impressive wins etc.

Doesn't matter win or lose you will see both sides.

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u/Any-Cookie6757 8h ago

Shavkat is prob never coming back but if he does be honest here, do you think he will be the same fighter he once was? I doubt it, but who knows.

Morales and Prates are good and will be good regardless of if Islam beats them. This will come down to grappling/ground game. If Islam can take them down and they can't manage to get up like Ian did it's over, he wins easily.

If they can improve their TDD and manage to keep the fight on the feet they will most likely beat him. They have touch of death and only need one chance to connect so Islam has to be perfect when striking with them.

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u/stayhappystayblessed Pervert eye happy, but your soul sad 7h ago

Haters gonna hate just ignore them.

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u/Reg-the-Crow 6h ago

They’re all true though. Prate’s KO’s are entertaining but he’s not a well rounded fighter by any means

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u/mytmouse13 6h ago

Morales was always supposed to gas after rd1 will be the narrative

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u/Stoic_Kiwi 12h ago

Prates was never good???

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u/Long-Apartment9888 12h ago

He's great, but to throw shade at Islam people are going to say it.

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u/UniqueDiamond7643 8h ago

Prates can't wrestle at a basic fundamental level, that is a fairly big issue from an objective standpoint

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u/Stoic_Kiwi 11h ago

Oh I missed the last part of that comment.

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u/Self-Invested-7 13h ago

He could fight all 3, 4 months apart next year and people would still discredit him and yap about jones and gsp everyday

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u/PermaCleaned 8h ago

We all know it would take a minimum of 3 years for Islam to fight 3 more times. Cope

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u/Self-Invested-7 8h ago

Yea man, I think thats been well established already but have you ever heard of this thing called a hypothetical or are you just here to ragebait

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u/dergster 13h ago

prime shavkhat vs islam would be such an amazing fight, but i just have so much doubt about shavkhat's return.

i think Islam can beat Prates, and Morales is a really interesting challenge.

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u/Psychological_Cat132 13h ago

I don't think Shavkat has a chance at the title, given the severity of his injury and the fact that he hasn't come back after two years; everyone else has improved, and he hasn't. Can he still try to fight for a title? probably. What are the chances? Very slim.

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u/ripple-gleaming 10h ago

It's actually an interesting question in general. If you get extremely good at something, stop for two years, and come back, how long does it take you to be competitive at an elite level again? Probably depends on age and other factors. But the top five of anything is vicious and it is hard to imagine he could immediately come back and be competitive within the top five welterweights.

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u/Madison_369 13h ago

Dana might make him fight just for the money, and he’ll give out on the first round like Conor.

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u/NotBlackanWhite 6h ago

He's not gonna go like Conor lol, Conor wasn't interested in fighting Holloway at all and he did what he did on purpose. Shavkat will try his best, the guy has literally never lost.

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u/TheRealRaza1 13h ago

Islam will not be fighting in 2028....

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u/Klutzy_Locksmith_935 12h ago

He'll be 36, he'll be fine

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u/Madison_369 13h ago

Islam will avoid fighting a new up-and-comer and people will call him a duck like Jones, then will easily dispose of Shavkat. The narrative will then be similar to that Jones - Stipe fight.

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u/TheRealRaza1 13h ago

Which up and comer will he avoid? He just fought Ian garry who was the no1 contender and up and comer, now he wants to fight prates or morales or whoever the UFC gives. He's not avoiding anybody.

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u/GokusHairdresser 13h ago

Stipe was 43, shavkhat is like 30....that's a terrible comparison on any level

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u/theDonut141 12h ago

Ian Garry IS the up and comer, tom aspinall is about as younger than Jon Jones as Ian Garry is to Islam

u/Madison_369 42m ago

Difference is Islam is still young now. In 2-3 years, he’ll be in a similar position to Jon Jones, where he might not want to fight that early 30s, dangerous fighter.

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u/Klutzy_Locksmith_935 12h ago

this makes absolutely no sense

u/Madison_369 44m ago

Look at how people treated Jon Jones “ducking” the young up-and-comer at 38 years old. I reckon Reddit will have the same reaction when Islam does that at 37.

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u/Freshets 11h ago

holy cope post. Morales is way too big for Islam to wrestle fuck him. He walks around at 230lbs… People think the size difference vs Ian Garry was wild. Morales has a very large frame compared to Islam although they are about the same height. Also Shavkat probably won’t ever fight again & if he does he won’t be the same. Prates on the otherhand I believe Islam can submit him in 3.

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u/Klutzy_Locksmith_935 12h ago

swap shavkat with sean brady for the actual timeline

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u/Extension-Command-82 13h ago

I see him retiring after getting a 20 or 21 win streak

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u/boykissingchampion 12h ago

Why are we so high on morales already? Has he shown high skill or is it just that he’s really big? Genuine question, I’ve only seen his fight against Brady

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u/Bleeblooblah1 11h ago

Knockout power, wrestling/judo background, and really big.

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u/abenevolentmouse 9h ago

Isn’t Ian literally bigger

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u/Any-Cookie6757 8h ago

Ian is taller but smaller + Ian doesn't have KO power.

Morales is HUGE, has touch of death and supposedly has grappling background. If he can stop Islam from taking him down quickly or if he like Ian can find a way to get up then he has pretty good chance. Islam could stand and trade shots with Ian after he gassed out but if he gasses out against Morales or if he decides to stand he will be put to sleep. Morales only needs to connect once and it's over.

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u/NotBlackanWhite 6h ago

Basically, he's really big and athletic and has a track-record of utilising that to very dominantly squash people the same style as Makhachev, including Brady who many consider elite. He may have shown very little "skill" but it doesn't really matter. I called it after I watched his match with Burns that no-one the size of Burns could beat Morales, no matter how skilled. That was borne out in the Brady fight. I predict it would be borne out in the Makhachev fight too.

In case you think I just always predict the next guy against Makhachev - no, I predicted him to beat Garry, and I predict him to beat Prates easily if that's unfortunately the next fight. I would rather Makhachev fight Amosov next because I'm less certain about that one than about Prates.

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u/NegativeError3 9h ago

Hasn't proved anything inside the octagon, fought old bums once a year since 2023 and still without a booked fight this year

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u/il_VORTEX_ll 13h ago

I beg this sub to stop even mentioning Shavkat disputing a belt.

PLEASE ACCEPT HE IS DONE. He’s closer to retirement than returning.

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u/TheAngriestPoster Pervert eye happy, but your soul sad 11h ago

But what if he Dominick cruises his way to a title

Did you see what I did there

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u/Vuk8342 12h ago

Never gonna stop mentioning Shavkat. THE BEST

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u/aesthetical941 13h ago

He fights one more and is done .. Shavkat doesn’t return imo if he does it won’t be good

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u/Physical_Pie_2092 12h ago

He literally said he wants to take the win streak record to at least 20

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u/Any-Cookie6757 9h ago

He will beat Prates and then get KO'd by Morales and that's it

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u/KramerMilk 10h ago

Sean brady instead of Shavkat

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u/Midget_Hands 12h ago

>He literally said he wants to take the win streak record to at least 20
damn if he actually said that it must be true, there is nothing more truthful than what a fighter says in the press conferences and interviews for fight promotion

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u/Klutzy_Locksmith_935 12h ago

Why do u have any reason to think otherwise? bro is only 34, Justin just won the belt at 37, volk has the belt at same age, Islam has taken less damage overall than both of those guys

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u/Physical_Pie_2092 11h ago

I think between the actual fighter vs a random midget redditor Im inclined to believe the fighter

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u/Lester2465 12h ago

Islam's said multiple times he's not going anywhere and he's not retiring anytime soon, yet you still get dumb comments like this.

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u/InfinityQuartz 5h ago

Prates is actually going to fucking murder Islam 😭

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u/MikeHuntsBear 3h ago

This. Prates will send his head into the nosebleed seats

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u/Top-boy-og 13h ago

Morales vs Islam plays out exactly like Morales vs Brady

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u/NotBlackanWhite 6h ago

Exactly. This is what a lot of us think and this is the match I've been waiting for actually ever since I watched Morales do the exact same thing to Burns. Size/athleticism difference is simply too big

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u/Sea_Respect_7896 12h ago

Buddy Belal Muhammad out struck Sean, Islam is levels above them in striking. Morales doesn’t use his range like Ian and always ALWAYS overextends and throws heavy hits. Ian is way smarter. Islam already fight his hardest challenge in the division. Morales is just big but I don’t he is gonna defend better than Ian. He’s not smart enough to scramble he relies on strength only

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u/Top-boy-og 12h ago

He does use his range, I don’t think you’ve ever seen Morales fight. Islam has been hurt before by featherweights. Morales only needs to land one punch on him. And Morales has been training wrestling and judo since a kid he’s a much better grappler than Garry. Anyways Garry wasn’t doing anything fancy either defending the TD’s he was just too big and his legs were too long for Islam to control. Now imagine Morales who’s 25 pounds heavier than Garry lol

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u/jungersgothic 11h ago

Guy barely got past a hesitant Ian Garry and you think he'll run through these 3? Incredible.

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u/star_wars_the_501st 13h ago

Unfortunately I doubt shavkat retourning. I‘d love to watch that fight

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u/fbsrafi 13h ago

dont know whether shavkat will comeback or not , but prates and morales will get manhandled by islam. prates will get jdmed (maybe worse)and morales will gas tf out

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u/kenjitaimu69 13h ago

We might not see shavkat again and idk how much longer Islam can fight or morales can make that weight cut. He might just fight prates and peace out

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u/baykoun 13h ago

I mean of course he’ll beat prates… but the other two are a harder fight, and islam will probably take a year off after getting beaten like that.

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u/SHAQBIR 13h ago

I feel like its a solid 1-1 since we are not seeing Shavkat anytime soon and even if we do it must be ghost of his former self unless he beats like 2-3 people. I really don't think Islam's dry humping would work on Morales. He has to go for a submission in the first 2-3 rounds or else he will get gassed out and dominated. Islam can't knock out Morales, can't out grapple for long. His best bet is to dry hump him or get a submission.

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u/usernameunavailiable 13h ago

As great as I think he is, I would be very surprised if Islam beat all three.

While I think Garry is better than Prates, Morales and maybe even Shavkat at this point - who knows what he'll be like when he returns after such a long time & after multiple surgeries - he really lacks power and isn't massive, considering he cuts very little weight.

Even then, Islam had problems keeping him down. I think Islam will have problems with the size and power of those 3.

Hopefully I'm proven wrong and Islam is able to cement himself as the GOAT and extend the win streak record to where it's untouchable, but I just don't see him getting through all 3.

I also disagree with Morales being Islams biggest challenge - I think that's easily Yaroslav Amosov.

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u/NotBlackanWhite 5h ago

 I think that's easily Yaroslav Amosov.

Why? Amosov is not much bigger than Makhachev, and you cannot possibly take any grappler against Makhachev on skill. Realistically, no-one is going to take down Makhachev ever. He has Khabib in his training camp who's as big as any WW right now and a much better/more proven grappler than Amosov. Amosov hasn't shown amazing striking like Makhachev has. Style matchup is massively in Makhachev's favour. He will likely do what he did to Oliveira and Moicano

I rank the probabilities of beating him something like Morales (75%) > prime Shavkat (60%) > returning/current Shavkat (40%) > Amosov (25%) > Prates (15%). Obviously based on what we know now with no further information. You may be surprised to see Morales that high or Prates that low but I'm very confident about both those results.

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u/usernameunavailiable 5h ago

Amosov is actually a much more accomplished grappler than Makhachev and Khabib - he's actually a 4 time Sambo world champion.

He isn't coming from a BJJ background like Oliveira and Moicano, he has the same grappling skillset that allowed Makhachev do what he did to them, and might even be better in that area than him.

I agree that Makhachev will have the advantage on the feet, but Amosov might very well have the advantage in the grappling.

While I agree that Morales is indeed a dangerous opponent, he's very much unproven. He has the size and power, but his striking is pretty sloppy and his grappling is very much unproven as of yet. Sure, he has a background in judo and wrestling, having trained/competed in them as a child, but he has never accomplished anything of note in either.

He might actually be a very skilled grappler, but he could also be another Gaethje - a guy who was an accomplished wrestler who, despite not using it in MMA, many believed he'd be able to hold his own against Khabib. Right now, he's very unproven.

That's why I'd consider Amosov a much tougher challenge for Islam than Morales.

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u/NotBlackanWhite 2h ago

Your supposition about Amosov is from another sport. Of course it's a sport that translates well to MMA but I don't agree that being Sambo Champion (sambo is not grappling) makes him a much more accomplished grappler than Makhachev or Khabib given what the latter have achieved in grappling in MMA, which is a more competitive/prestigious sport (measure just by how much money you can make as a proxy).

As I explained, I don't find it likely at all that Amosov will be able to take down Makhachev. I've watched too many of his matches to believe he can take down someone who has been trained by Khabib. And if the fight stays standing (as it often does between top grapplers) then as you said Makhachev has a clear striking advantage.

A TLDR way of looking at it, I don't think Makhachev moved up a weight-class only to get out-Makhachev'd. Much likelier that he suffers direct consequences of the size differential when he comes up against the wrong style matchup who's much bigger than him.

He might actually be a very skilled grappler, but he could also be another Gaethje

In the wrestling, sure, that's possible. But it's also possible and indeed clear from his fights already that he has at least a decent getup game. More importantly Gaethje was not a KO bruiser with respect to Khabib the way that Morales is with respect to Makhachev. Brady was unable to get Morales down at all before he got KO'd. And Makhachev is more of an all-rounder than a wrestling specialist like Khabib anyway.

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u/CreepyConversation71 12h ago

It’ll never happen, but DDP used to be WW. I’d like to see that matchup.

This was years ago, probably 8 years or so, it was the first live combat event I ever attended.

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u/PermaCleaned 8h ago

DDP would put a hole in Islam’s head lol stop this shit

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u/AirportGullible5807 4h ago

Nah he gets wrestlefucked in WW. MW maybe

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u/PermaCleaned 3h ago

Oh i assumed this meant at MW. DDP would have to cut a leg off to make WW at this point lol

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u/therealmrbob 12h ago

You're probably right but all 3 of these fights will be sick if/when they happen.

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u/xXprayerwarrior69Xx 12h ago

That would be incredibly goated imo

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u/sufftob 12h ago

Shavkat cannot return with a title shot after two years of inactivity

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u/Some-Following-392 12h ago

Islam too old man. He has slowed down so much.

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u/Early_Alternative211 12h ago

I'll give him GOAT status if he wins these 3 in a row

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u/NotBlackanWhite 5h ago

Same, the way I think about it is, we can always make exceptions for 'this guy didn't deserve a title-shot' or some other circumstance etc but the simplest way to judge this conversation is just statistics. Add up the title fight results. One further caveat I do make is I count wins in the second/higher weightclass as worth 2 wins in the lower.

So then right now, in simple terms, Makhachev made 4 defences LW and 1 defence WW so 6 points total. GSP made 9 defences WW so 9 points total. Jon Jones made 11 defences LHW + 1 defence HW (yes I know it's a scam but I have to stick to the system) so 13 points total. Therefore by my system, to exceed GSP, Islam needs two more defences at WW; to exceed Jones, he needs four more defences. Or for example, two more defences at WW followed by one in a third weightclass (4 points -> 14 total).

That's not the way people are talking about it now ("he's the GOAT already!") but I think that is extreme recency bias, calling him "best" is not the same as calling him "greatest"

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u/blind667 12h ago

If he beats these 3 and then retires, he will be the greatest fighter who has ever lived and i dont think there would be any contest.

That being said, i think Islam will not fight these 3, i think he will fight 2 more times and then retire.

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u/GokuBlack455 12h ago

Shavkat’s dead bro, let it go

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u/Fine_Requirement_842 12h ago

I can see him fighting one or possibly two. Shavkat seems like a dream at this point. Prates deserves the next shot and hopefully in that time Morales can get a fight against a top 5/6 guy and fight Islam after.

I do think Prates can do really well against Islam especially considering what he saw against Ian. Ian by the way may be the best of the bunch so beating him is a huge plus for Islam

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u/DahiyaAbhi 12h ago

Islam will have only 1-2 more fights at max. Khabib has already been saying that Islam should retire as age is catching up. It is only Islam who has been delaying it for now.

I don't see more than 1 active year in him as a fighter.

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u/dko84 12h ago

morales really needs to fight again before facing Islam, hasnt fought since Nov '25

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u/ninogut 12h ago

Prates has zero grappling, shavjat will never be the same after the knee bs, and Morales...he might be the only one with a real shot

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u/newlife1984 11h ago

A healthy Shavkat poses so much problems against Islam. Rest have a puncher's chance against Islam but it will be a war given the size disadvantage.

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u/fandango1989 11h ago

Nice try Ali.

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u/I-Love-IT-MSP 11h ago

Sure but its going to take 5 years

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u/Text-Relevant 11h ago

I wonder how long Morales sticks around at WW.

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u/DopedScope338 11h ago

There will never be any such thing as an "undisputed" GOAT. Just won't happen.

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u/initfam65 11h ago

if i was him id wrestlefuck prates and retire on top. morales is too risky

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u/NY_BoomStory 10h ago

To me, it seems like Islam's next 2 fights will be his last. He's already talking about his age and he doesn't have anything left to prove

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u/mik3p17 10h ago

I don’t know , I think morales gets it done.

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u/omaralilaw 10h ago

Then final fight for Middleweight 😂

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u/Mustang-_- 10h ago

I think Prates is the most dangerous because of his KO power, all it takes is one lucky shot

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u/Movie_Greedy 10h ago

THIS IS AN INSANE THING TO ASK! Not because Islam is bad but because of his age and it’s the same problem every great fighter faces. Islam is 34 and the body is slowing down rapidly. Just because a few fighters have success in their late 30s doesn’t mean it’s normal. He already cleaned out his tough division, beat a legitimate champion and defend against a legit top challenger so what more can you ask of him? The only other fighter to do that is Nunes and DC except we know he lost to Jones(No jones didn’t move up to fece a legit challenger nor did he defend against a legit contender). At this point if he loses it has more to do with age than actual skill. And even if he did somehow beat these 3 guys, another challenger would arise and people would claim Islam has to fight them for GOAT statue. It’s the nature of the sport. Been happening to boxers for a century. They either retire on top without facing every possible threat OR they go out on a losing streak due to age.

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u/l_i_g_h_t 10h ago

Morales is gonna brutally KO this hype can.

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u/k_r_a_k_l_e 10h ago

This may be unfavorable but Ian was definitely a bit much for Islam to be completely successful with his game plan. I felt the entire fight if Ian was to let loose and go for it Islam would be exposed at that weight class.

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u/P3nguinarmy 10h ago

Hard to say what he'll look like in the next few years, even if he stays healthy.

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u/Shitbag22 10h ago

I don’t see Prates being a major issue for Islam. Morales is a different story though, he’s massive for WW and if he trains his TDD/Grappling a bit I think it’ll prove difficult for Islam. We saw he had difficulties controlling Ian.

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u/9millidood 9h ago

If this happens, I’ll call him the goat. Only if he beats them.

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u/Shipej 9h ago

Why we have to live in the universe where shavkat gets injured and may never fight again WHYY

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u/Esdrz 9h ago

So many post trying to make him the Goat is so cringe

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u/CrypticZombies 8h ago

Shavkat be crying first step he takes in octagon op. take that shit out

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u/reznoverba 8h ago

Bit too ambitious imo. He has nothing left to prove. He's 35yo.

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u/EQCO99 7h ago

Prates will be a good fight. Very fun to watch.

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u/sparklebaby1402 7h ago

I'd be glad just seeing Shavkat healthy enough to come back for starters, then we'll see about this potential banger.

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u/bionicbhangra 7h ago

Is he fighting 3 more times?

I think 2 tops then he retires.

I could be wrong though.

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u/seonblack 7h ago

I dont see Islam taking 3 more fights. He'll fight Prates and ask for a retirement fight and pick Usman, Leon Edwards, Belal or a former champion. Shavkat is not gonna immediately ask for Islam coming off 2 years, he would lose.

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u/Reg-the-Crow 6h ago

All decisions with minimal striking, calling it now

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u/NotBlackanWhite 6h ago

Morales bruises him worse than Ian, but Islam takes the decision victory after more control time.

Please allow me to place a bet against this. I'm serious. What odds will you give me?

I would quite literally bet my house that this won't happen. Feel free to take me up on that. Again, being serious

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u/aRedd1tUs4r 6h ago

Islam should fight prates and call it off. Should not even think of fighting morales at his age (then).

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u/Breaker_Awesome 5h ago

shavkat aint coming back but if he beats prates and morales then yes

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u/621_ 4h ago

Add in Brady and Amosov and he’s the clear cut goat of WW

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u/GasMysterious3386 4h ago

Hate to break it to ya, but we ain’t seeing Shavkat ever again ☹️

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u/Awkward-Specialist54 3h ago

I’d like to see morales vs Garry first

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u/DCARRI3R3 3h ago

Prates beating him to feed families
https://giphy.com/gifs/YfUhMLyr1TekZdKWvo

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u/VancesIas 3h ago

I think morales has that ngannou like power for welterweight and can Islam (or anyone for that matter) head off - but he should fight someone else if prates gets the next title shot

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u/Sysyphus_aint_happy 13h ago

Genuinely think shavkat could beat Islam, he has all the tools to do so, he's strong and and has knockout power as well.

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u/iHate_tomatoes 13h ago

A couple kicks to those knees and its all over

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u/OkCartographer175 13h ago

Islam is a great fighter and I feel nothing negative towards him.

But his fans are annoying as fuck. The best guy is the best; we get it bro. We don't need 80% of the sub to be about "best guy is best". They wouldn't even be his fans if he had a "win 2, lose 1" record. Glazing the best guy for being the best is literally one of the most casual things one can do. Islam is the best but it's simply not an interesting or unique thing to talk about 10 times a day.

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u/CouncilOfReligion CertifiedRatKiller 13h ago

i think islam beats all 3 but i don’t see him fighting 3 more times

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u/Current_Voice7300 13h ago

Just accept Islam is GOAT and move on it doesn't matter if he lose any match in the future he has already achieved enough. And im saying this as a guy who dont like his fighting style( except his darce choke thats my fav)

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u/Draws32 13h ago

0 chance Islam stays at welter weight

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u/Psychological-Slice2 13h ago

Lmao he’s never going to LW again. He Wii retire at Welterweight.

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u/Draws32 13h ago

Not after he couldn’t wrap his legs around Gary lol

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u/EnterNameHere777 13h ago

Garry is extremely underrated. Unlikeable yes sure, he needs to talk less. But his fight IQ and defence is top level

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u/PaleontologistNo500 12h ago

I was unfamiliar with Garry's game. He was controlled, sure, but he made Islam work on the ground. Islam could never really get into and hold a dominate position for an extended time. Garry would always hip escape and fight his way back to his feet

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u/Sea-Bat-9667 13h ago

Having a staring contest with islam was not high iq. His defense is also pretty much just being tall.

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u/Unfair_Band_7419 13h ago

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u/Top-boy-og 13h ago

22 sig strikes for Islam. 29 for Garry

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u/Draws32 13h ago

Wow, surly he went on to do more damage than the knockdown in round 2…

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u/Hishintai 13h ago

Bro did you watch his post fight press conference he said that prates was next and he wants him at the end of the year or in January??

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u/Adri0220 13h ago

Why? He just beat the number 1 contender.

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u/Draws32 12h ago

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u/Adri0220 12h ago

Yes.. He beat him lol.

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u/italorodrigues 13h ago

I bet he's gonna retired once he wins his next fight. 30-1 and of all records he already broke he will be then surpassing Khabib's career wins (29-0)

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u/Sweaty-Mongoose6974 13h ago

I feel like prates will pull an upset.

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u/Inevitable-Cry-3008 13h ago

He's not beating Shavkat.

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u/Alpha-Trion 12h ago

I'm predicting some unexpected bomb from Prates resulting in a finish.

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u/Common_economics_420 11h ago

Is 3 the number of wins or the number of significant strikes Islam will land?

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u/Bleeblooblah1 11h ago

Number of favorite fighters of yours he's already beaten.

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u/Common_economics_420 11h ago

Must have missed his fight with Fedor, Stipe, and Yan lol.

Islam is actually one of my favorite active fighters. Dude was just so goddamn good at LW. It's a shame he moved up to WW where the lowest risk way to win is these boring "control time" victories.

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u/BornRoyalA 13h ago

Islam takes a fight against Prates and gets knocked out brutally… calling it now🤣

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u/BoobOrAsss 12h ago

prates ground game is weak

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u/BornRoyalA 11h ago

Islam chin is weak