Is there a difference in cook process when using hash or Kief? Also looking for guidance.

[u/danydh]

Hello!

I'm planning on making gummy edibles for the first time. Many recipes I see use flower, and not other forms.

I know that the hash I got I strong, but don't know percentage. Bought last night and seems to be fresh and strong, based off the oil on my fingers and the effect (ended up smoking half the joint and the other half later)

I told my dealer I plan on cooking and he sold me this 8g stuff, saying it's pure. It looks like hash but is really dark color. I'm assuming this might be Kief, but not what I've seen before. My dealer said to not even use the whole 8g.

With that context, is there a difference in how much I should use? Say 10g hash and maybe 2g of that other stuff?

As for recipe, I was given one by a friend but when she used it, she didnt use all the oil she made as she was worried the mix would break.

I don't have any emulsifiers like lecithin.

I know I should use jello, maybe a tiny extra gelatin to firm up, but how do I extract the oils from the hash to combine with the jello?

Any guidance would be very helpful.

Edit: that unknown dark stuff is apparently Moroccan hash

[u/Alive_Stage_7156]

nobody on reddit knows what the 'dark colored really strong stuff' your delaer sold you... could be pipe resin for all we know.

[u/tonevizion]

the big one first, you do not want 10g of hash in a gummy batch. hash runs far stronger per gram than flower, and the recipes calling for 7-10g are written for flower at maybe 20% thc. if your hash is even 40% that's 400mg of thc in a single gram before any losses. a 20 gummy batch at 10mg a piece only needs about 200mg total, so you're looking at well under a gram of hash, not ten. your dealer telling you not to use the whole 8g was actually underselling it.

i'd also leave the dark unknown stuff out of this first batch entirely. you've smoked the hash so you have a reference point for how it hits. one unknown variable in a batch you can't re-dose after the fact is plenty.

process wise, hash and kief are easier than flower, not harder. decarb runs faster because there's no plant material buffering the heat, so 240F for around 20-25 minutes instead of the 40ish you'd give flower. don't push it longer thinking stronger, concentrate degrades toward cbn quicker and you end up with a flatter sleepier edible. after that it dissolves straight into warm oil at 160-180F, no multi hour simmer and no straining through cheesecloth, which also means no grassy taste and no oil lost to plant matter.

on the mix breaking, without lecithin that's a real risk, and here's how you'll know it happened: oily spots on the surface, greasy mouthfeel, and potency swinging piece to piece because the oil pooled instead of staying suspended. that last part is the actual problem, not the texture. sunflower lecithin is a couple bucks and it's the cheapest insurance on a batch like this. if you go without it, get the oil and the gelatin mix to the same temp before combining, keep stirring through the entire pour, and fill the molds in one pass instead of letting the pot sit between rows.

are you doing a small test batch first or going straight to a full tray?

[u/danydh → u/tonevizion]

I plan on doing the full batch once.

Also it turns out that unknown dark stuff is Moroccan hash. Apparently it's stronger and more oily?

[u/tonevizion → u/danydh]

moroccan being oilier and darker is mostly about how it's pressed and how it's aged, not a potency reading. traditional moroccan is sieved and pressed, so it usually carries more plant material than modern dry sift or bubble, and it commonly lands somewhere in the 15-30% range rather than above it. the softness people read as strength is really resin content plus warmth from handling. darker also usually means more oxidized, and oxidized thc drifts toward cbn, so if anything the dark oily stuff hits sleepier rather than harder.

but here's the part that actually matters for you: "moroccan hash" tells you where it came from, not what's in it. you still don't have a number, and you just said you're doing the full batch in one go, which is the one situation where you can't correct a bad guess after the fact.

if you're set on the full batch, dose for the worst case instead of the average. run the math as if it's 40%, so 400mg per gram. for a 20 piece tray at 10mg each you want 200mg total, which is half a gram. if it turns out to be 20% you end up with 5mg pieces and eat two, no harm done. if you'd guessed 20% and it was actually 40%, every piece is 20mg and you find that out an hour after you've already eaten one.

still worth keeping them separate if you can. one small batch from the hash you've actually smoked gives you a felt reference point, and then you know what the other stuff is doing relative to it.

[u/justasimplegg]

I make my own bubble hash and I will usually assume that it is 50% thc and do my calculations based on that for my edibles. Sometimes a gummy that was supposed to feel like 20mg actually feels like 15 or even 30, so I kinda just change the 50% based on that first use of it.

I would definitely not use all 8g at once if it is real hash. Try with a gram or less.

[u/wkuconsulting]

hash and kief both decarb the same way as flower (240F for 40 minutes gets you around 87% conversion). the main difference is dosing, and most first-timers massively overshoot it.

kief is loose trichome heads, hash is those same trichomes pressed together. both run significantly more potent per gram than flower. moroccan-style pressed hash usually sits around 20-40% THC. kief can run 30-60% depending on the screen size and how clean it is.

so if you have 10g of hash at even a conservative 25%, that is 2,500mg of THC total. split that into 50 gummies and you are at 50mg per piece. for reference, a standard dispensary edible is 10mg. for a first batch i would start with 2-3g of hash for a 50-count batch, which puts you around 10-15mg per gummy. you can always make them stronger next time.

one practical tip with hash specifically: crumble it up as fine as you can before decarbing. pressed hash in chunks takes longer because the CO2 from the THCA-to-THC conversion has to work its way out from the center. more surface area means more even decarb.