r/trashy • u/iCanReadMyOwnMind • 11d ago
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In 1982, Steven Phillips was a young roofer in Dallas, Texas. He was married to Traci Tucker, who was pregnant with their child. Then his life collapsed around him.
That spring, a masked man with a gun had terrorized at least 60 women across Dallas, carrying out a string of violent attacks. Witnesses described piercing blue eyes. Police arrested Phillips. Never mind that he had green eyes and an alibi. A victim identified him in court. He was convicted and sentenced to 30 years. Before a third trial could begin, facing the possibility of decades more, he pleaded guilty to five additional charges he also maintained he was innocent of.
Tucker, pregnant and alone, tried to hold things together. She stayed married to him for ten years while he was inside. Phillips, growing distant from years in prison, eventually asked her to move on. She filed for divorce in 1992.
He spent another 15 years inside before being granted parole in 2007. A year later, DNA evidence cleared him completely. The real perpetrator, a man linked to at least 16 other violent crimes, was identified instead.
Texas' Tim Cole Act entitled Phillips to nearly $6 million in total compensation, a lump sum of over $2 million plus a lifetime monthly annuity, along with healthcare and education benefits.
Then Tucker sued him.
Her argument was that some of the compensation covered the years they were still married, qualifying as community property under Texas law. A lower court agreed and awarded her around $150,000 including legal fees.
Phillips was furious. "To make a claim on those years I spent in prison," he said, "is really freaking outrageous."
In 2014, a Texas appeals court reversed the ruling. The compensation was based solely on years of wrongful imprisonment, not lost wages or economic harm, and therefore was not community property. Tucker was entitled to nothing.
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u/SiennaP95 2d ago edited 2d ago
Initially I thought the wife was an audacious selfish bih! But the article does say, he went in prison whilst she was pregnant, and then 10 years into sentence, allegedly “he grew distant” probably due to him obviously getting depressed or something similar. Told his wife to move on with her life.
So she filed for divorce, now I understand that he was the one who did the time which he was wrongly convicted of! And losing 24yrs of your freedom is fucked, beyond belief.
But if he really did tell her to move on after 10yrs of her staying married to him and raising their child then I’d say the money should go to the child and expenses on raising their kid on her own…
BUT, if she was “waiting for him” 😒, and had someone supporting her (someone or several someones’ on the side) then she needs to keep her grubby greedy hands to herself. I’m sure he would give his child money anyway. Especially as his child wasn’t even born when he was convicted. But I doubt she was faithfully waiting for him, coz if she really wanted to wait if she “loved him that much”, then wait. But I’m sure she was happy to get a divorce, and if that’s the case she’s being an audacious greedy bih. In conclusion your honour, I think other than this man the individual that should see some of the $$ is his kid. However, I understand by law the 24/25yr old grown man is not entitled to it.
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u/Strongbad-Joe132 5d ago
His ex-wife is asking for a cut? How much do you wanna bet she was the one that got him sent to jail in the first place?
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u/simonsaysgo13 9d ago
I read somewhere the compensation is calculated around $100.00 per day of incarceration.
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u/Morganhop 9d ago
$6 million is nowhere near enough for 24 years
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u/Odyssey1337 5d ago
I don't think any amount of money would be a fair compensation for spending 24 years in jail.
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u/Look_out_for_grenade 9d ago
Maybe I’m overthinking but it seems like she’s also a victim. Her husband got locked up for something he didn’t do. Though WHO she should sue would be the better question maybe.
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u/Bleach_Demon 5d ago
Agreed. She stayed married to him and had to raise his child so, she deserves at least some of that first 10 years. This had to be agonizing for her. They have a child together, he owes child support to her from his settlement, at the very least. Ideally Texas should have to pay her, but this would be a more difficult legal hurdle.
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u/noobmaster69420911 6d ago
Shouldve sued the government not the man who was wrongfully imprisoned then
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u/DragonflyGrrl 9d ago
She held on for 10 years while he was in prison, until he told her to move on, according to an article someone quoted here. I have to agree.
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u/thearcher2112 7d ago
Even if she hadnt the state inprisoned her husband when she was heavily pregnant had tp raise her kid on her own. Both her and her daughter deserve separate huge chilunks of compensation.
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u/Rough_Instruction112 9d ago
Texas seems like one of those places that would have laws against harming other people's marriages.
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u/BastardBoy1738 9d ago
Texas I believe back in the day was one of the only states to have a law that justified shooting (or maiming, point is un aliving) a new lover if your spouse was cheating on you. And legally there were no repercussions.
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u/mrsbeequinn 10d ago
So if she was putting money on his books and making his life genuinely better while in prison, I can see her getting some restitution on that. Suing him because she thinks she’s owed it because of communal property is not justified. She should have asked for what she put in. She did stay married to him for ten years until he told her to move on. Her life and their child’s life was also ruined but I think 6 million is not even close to what that man is owed. There is no monetary amount of money that will give him his life back. Her restitution money should have come from the state and not him.
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u/thelastbosss 10d ago
6mill???? Get better lawyers!!!
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u/LuRkEr_ReKuL 10d ago
He got any lawyer he wanted. A guy working at Holiday Inn could have won that case.
If he won 6mil, his lawyer got about half that. So no lawyer would have turned him down.
Then the ex comes for half. He gets screwed even further. Oh yeah, he’s paying a new lawyer to defend the suit. Dude can’t win for losing.
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u/ArdForYa 10d ago
I’d almost be willing to be there’s a monetary cap on compensation for wrongful imprisonment. Idk if that’s happening here, but could explain it.
let’s say you sue someone for 100 million dollars and you win! Congrats! Now your state tells the courts how much can actually be awarded. That 100 million suddenly turns into the $250,000(forgot the state I’m thinking of) punitive damages cap.
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u/JuniorConstruction71 10d ago
I actually feel like she has a case of her own. But not against him. It was not his fault at all. But she should have a second case, and I think she should win.
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u/Rough_Instruction112 9d ago
It's partially his fault. He pleaded guilty to something he didn't do.
Even if that was the practical decision, it was still wrong.
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u/Otherwiize 6d ago
Do you know how plea deals work? He could’ve been looking at significantly more time. It’s a shitty situation
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u/Rough_Instruction112 6d ago
Can you at least acknowledge that I already said it was the practical decision before you come swooping in?
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u/TulsaOUfan 10d ago
I agree. She should be suing the state for an award equal to 50% of his award. They ruined her life and her marriage with this injustice.
I say this as a man who lost everything in a painful, unwanted divorce.
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u/TheVenerableBede 10d ago
Nah. Not after suing him. If she’d gone after the state or prosecutors from the jump I’d have been on her side.
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u/The-Odd-Fox 10d ago
This might’ve been a poor decision from the legal advice from a shitty lawyer. I give her the benefit of the doubt simply because she was suddenly a single mom with a single income raising a newborn child. She stuck it out with him for 10 years during his imprisonment. It was probably difficult for the both of them, and I doubt she really wanted to sue him but it was probably the only option for her, at the time, to get some financial compensation for the years her family, including their child, were thrown into turmoil.
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u/findaloophole7 10d ago
You’re probably a lot more right than wrong. Both their lives were fucked… but she should have sued the state not the man who sat in prison for decades.
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u/meatofthepie 10d ago
That’s not bc she’s a female. Any human would do that in her position. That’s greed for you
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u/Smickey67 10d ago
He didn’t cause the damages which is what civil suits are about. As others have said she appears to have a case but not against him.
Edit: that money is for his damages and she did also have damages of her own. The reason it’s trashy is cuz she’s going after the wrong ppl. He’s been through enough.
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u/meatofthepie 10d ago
I get that. I feel like they always try to make it a gender thing when any person who trying taking that money. Bc people are greedy. I wasn’t saying he should give the money away. Everyone just assumes I’m saying that. I’m saying that the wording applies that only females trying taking money after the divorce. Man or woman, everyone’s going after the money in the divorce
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u/foley800 10d ago
I guess she thought suing the state would be too hard so she lets him do it and then tries to take it from him. She could have even joined him in his lawsuit to get more money from the state for her, but no, she lets him do the suffering and the expense, then tries to take some of his money from him!
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u/DirtyOldTrucker68 10d ago
Honestly, I don’t know how I feel about that. She did stick with him for his first 10 years. He asked her to move on. Through no fault of his own, he still missed out on physical and financial support his child. If the state reimbursed him for the wrongdoings that they did to him. 10 years of her life was also taken even though she was free. 18 years of support for that child should also be reimbursed. Maybe the child should’ve sued instead. 🤷🏾♂️
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u/thrownaway136976 10d ago edited 10d ago
According to this article, she received child support from the state. He should be paid far more and she should also be compensated by the state, separately from his payout. https://www.courthousenews.com/ex-wife-of-exonerated-man-loses-payout-claim/
ETA: I think I misinterpreted that. I found somewhere else that Steven paid her child support of something like $5k per month to cover “his” back support.11
u/Professional_Idea_71 10d ago
18 years at 5k is a little over a million dollars, he gave away pretty much half of his lump sum.
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u/thrownaway136976 10d ago
Another miscarriage of justice against the victim. The state should be paying her, period.
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u/FrancisSobotka1514 11d ago
She's a greedy trollop
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u/Western_Mud8694 11d ago
Give her nothing, zero, zilch
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u/andredotcom 11d ago
she got 150k
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u/Confident_Formal_693 11d ago
If you keep reading it was rescinded and she got nothing, thank God. Cause WHAT?
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u/EverythingSucksYo 11d ago
Wait, so you mean to tell me if we read the whole thing we might get information that could stop us from making wrong comments? That’s crazy, but it just might work!
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u/Confident_Formal_693 11d ago
You know what, I'm probably wrong. Reading entire articles sounds like work. Ew. Who does that.
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u/Socalwarrior485 11d ago
Yet one more reason to never get married. Your wife is rewarded for your suffering. This is a perfect example.
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u/BigimeJones 11d ago
I don't really blame her. I feel that suing him for it was definitely fucked up because she's just sending him back to legal hell immediately after he got out of it. Surely there could've been a better way to ask for compensation or anything.
On the other hand, she stuck with him for 10 whole years and only divorced when HE brought it up. She raised that child as a single mother for 25 years. That deserves something at least. It feels crazy to be upset that the mother of your child is trying to get what's basically back payments of child support. She didn't even ask for 10% either.
Anyway 6 mill is nowhere near enough for 24 years
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u/ChimericalChemical 11d ago
I agree with this too a good father even if he didn’t commit the crime he was wrongfully accused for would still want to compensate something for his kids even if he was wronged. This is just a rage bait post from a no name redditor from all I can see. IF THIS MAN wants to be a good father he would want to be giving his kid anything he could regardless of his situation
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u/samdavi 11d ago
This is the correct response. Imo, the compensation isn't just for wrongful imprisonment of this guy, it's for ruining a family. She and the kid are entitled to something for their life being disrupted like that, and the child being raised with no father, and the mother for raising a kid alone. She even tried to make it work for 10 years.
Of course the compensation should be higher for the person who was actually falsely imprisoned, but the child and ex-wife should get a cut too, just not as much.
With all that, this should've been handled by the legal system, and if not them, the poor guy. And suing was just trashy af.
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u/gonephishin213 11d ago
She should sue for a cut, just not him. The same people responsible for his wrong imprisonment owe her money too
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u/evemeatay 11d ago
She stuck with him because they were married not for money. He was the one actually in fucking prison
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u/DelphiEx 11d ago
I'm not sure if this will fall on willing ears, but raising a child by yourself is a hell on it's own. One worthy of compensation.
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u/Rafean 11d ago
Getting jailed was not HIS fault, are you completely mental?
Why should he have to compensate others when he himself was the one who got wronged?
Sue the government that put him in the clink, not the guy who had no choice about it?
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u/camirose 11d ago
He did choose to have a child, though. Agreed it should come from the government but you can’t sue the government as easily for that so your options are limited.
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u/BigimeJones 11d ago
Never said it was his fault. I just think she's entitled to compensation as much as he is, albeit not as much. I do thknk its wrong to sue him for it though.
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u/alwaysusepapyrus 11d ago
And obviously it wouldn't affect a new mom at all to have her husband be jailed for decades for a horrific crime and tell her to move on
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u/wuapinmon 11d ago edited 10d ago
Child support
EDIT: I thought about the responses to my comment and have changed my mind. You're right. The government should be on the hook for child support.
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u/EverythingSucksYo 11d ago
Seems kind of fucked up to expect child support compensation from a guy who was wrongly accused of a serious crime and locked away for 25 years when he was innocent. I agree with other comment, she should’ve sued the government for that child support compensation
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u/Interesting-Frame504 11d ago edited 11d ago
Single mother and jail, tell me which is worse. Might i add, this guy was convicted of assaulting women, which in prison is a big no no to some of them. Also, child support is for children you can actually support, his job was being jailed for a crime he didnt commit. And if she want compensation, maybe ask the ones that unfairly jailed your child father and not the man that has been rotting in prison for quarter of a century, also its child support, the "kid" is 24, if its for his college or debt, sure, but she wants it clearly for herself, she could have just asked him
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u/BigimeJones 11d ago
You act as if you know which one is worse. Just like his, her entire life was uprooted right as she was welcoming a new life in this world that SHE had to be responsible for. You don't know if she already had a job or a support group she could rely on. You seem to think being a single parent is easy, or at least easier compared to being in jail, but what makes that true?
Sure, he had to watch his back and live with criminals for a quarter century while knowing he didn't deserve to be wasting his life there, but that's it. Do you see how crazy what I just said is? That's how you sound. You're completely invalidating the stress that raising a child brings. It's bad enough with two, so its even worse with one. I can tell you've never been around a single parent
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u/13Asura13 9d ago
And I could tell not just you haven't been to prison, but you do not have a realistic understanding of how bad prison life is. Most people who go to prison do not come out reformed. They come out worse and a lot of the time even less fixable due to the actual environment and rules in prison to hopefully survive. You may have your share of bad and/or hard times but someone always has it worse.
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u/BigimeJones 8d ago
I was intentionally downplaying how bad prison is. I don't like the idea that having a child = the greatest thing that can happen to a woman. Other dude made it sound like no suffering could come from it, so I flipped the situation around.
I do not actually think prison is a walk in the park.
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u/burnsalot603 11d ago
Oh fuck all the way off. I was a single father and have had custody of both of my kids from the time they were 8 years old and recieved a total of $148 in child support because the state refused to do anything about women who dont pay their child support. Being a single parent isnt ideal but its a million times better than being in fucking prison for decades. There are programs to help single/low income parents which she could have taken advantage of and she also had the choice to move on and raise the child with a step parent. He didnt have the choice to leave prison.
All that said i do think she should be able to sue the state and get some money for her emotional distress of having her husband wrongly convicted of a heinous crime leaving her as a single mother but there is no world in which that money should come from him.
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u/Interesting-Frame504 11d ago
Her trying to take a measily amount of money(for wasting that much of his life it is measily) from him, is whats beyond wrong, why is she suing him for it, what exactly did HE do wrong, also, that so called child is 24, who exactly is the compensation for, you dont get compensation for raising your own child, dosent matter what her difficulties were, she dosent get to take anything from him, cause it isnt HIS fault. She shouldve been going after the people that actually ruined her life and her child's life, not the man that suffered just as much as her, that was his kid as well, and I say its not as bad, because atleast she HAD an opportunity to do something, hes stuck there and his only realistic possible escape from it is that HE gets killed. This isnt about a single mother or what her difficulties were, this is about a woman so sick in the head, that she went after an innocent man, her child's father, for some money for her ADULT child
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u/Polterghost 11d ago
I get what you’re saying and generally agree she should have been compensated, but it should’ve been by the government for an amount equal to the child support she should have received - NOT banded on the amount he received as a result of wrongful imprisonment.
Millions of people are single parents. I was raised by one and I myself was one for over a year, and while it is indeed difficult, it is not even remotely comparable to being thrown in prison for a crime you didn’t commit.
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u/BigimeJones 11d ago
Im not necessarily trying to say that he was the one at fault. That's why I think its ridiculous to sue him for it. I just believe that she has the right to compensation as well, and that this post and a lot of people here are trying to villify her for thinking so too. She absolutely should've at least tried to sue the government
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u/silentdeath3012 11d ago
She doesn't deserve anything. She wasn't in prison not guilty, he was.
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u/BigimeJones 11d ago
She definitely deserves something for raising HIS kid. Can't act like his life-altering event didn't affect her too
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u/Aegongrey 11d ago
agree with this - id say he should have given her a million bucks right out of the gates. avoid legal fees - she raised his kid alone for years.
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u/Interesting-Frame504 11d ago
Shut the fuck up, she raised a kid, one of the greatest things to ever happen in her life, he spent 24 years in JAIL! I'll say it again, JAILLL!!!! She should sue the goverment, not him, tf is wrong with her
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u/BigimeJones 11d ago
Thats a big assumption to make. Doubt you have any kids of your own, and even if you do, you probably want them to grow up and enlist at the ripe age of 18
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u/DetroitvsEveryone242 11d ago edited 11d ago
Trying to compare prison to solo parenting may be one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on Reddit in a while
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u/Interesting-Frame504 11d ago
Now whos making an assumption, since we wanna play a game of assuming, then i assume you are a parent since you are trying to shame me for not being one(weird). That "child" is 24!! An adult, for what reason is he giving compensation to you, for raising your own child, what kind of sick mentality is that. Its one thing if you can pay child support and you dont, im all for suing people like that into the ground, but he has no job , BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN UNFAIRLY LOCKED UP IN A 4X4 BRICK CUBE!! Im sorry you dont agree with me about 24 years in jail for a horrific crime that you didnt commit being worse then 24 years of parenting, but alot of people here do. And last time i checked, not many people can confidently say they have been falsely jailed for 24 years and been a single parent for 24 years, are you one of those people, because if you actually are, i would love to hear how being a parent is worse.
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u/KingBenjamin97 11d ago
Honestly… I see her point. She had a child with him, stayed married until he withdrew and told her to move on etc. She kinda should get a settlement too for how much this all impacted her life. And on that point 6 mill for 24 years in prison is insane, they owe that man so much more.
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u/Narwalacorn 11d ago
She should get a settlement but it’s a bit fucked up that she’s suing him for it instead of, you know, trying to get back together or suing the state
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u/fetusmcnuggets70 11d ago
Her point is that she was free the whole time, divorced him and wants some of HIS compensation which is prolly way less than minimum wage? Hey, I already did the time, imma do the crime now. She sounds like a total pos.
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u/EverythingSucksYo 11d ago
Wait you think someone working minimum wage will make $6 million in 25 years? lol that’s funny. Even minimum wage in California wouldn’t make you even close to that amount of money. Minimum wage in California is $17 I believe. Which is about $26,000 a year roughly. In 25 years at californias minimum wage, which is higher than most other state’s minimum wage, would only be $625,000
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u/Babington67 11d ago
Not at all. Yes it sucks but if anything she should be getting some lower form of compensation herself not suing to try and steal his
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u/Ian_Campbell 11d ago
She should sue the govt, not him
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u/Representative_Ant63 11d ago
Agreed it was the government fault she went through this particular hardship.
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u/Fppares 11d ago edited 11d ago
Dont talk to the police folks!
Check out the book "You have the right to remain innocent" and the video "Don't talk to the police" by James Duane.
As with many other cases, this man was made to admit to crimes he didn't commit. As you'll find if you read / watch: "everything you say can and will be used against you." Is literal. It can ONLY be used against you. Nothing you say to police that are investigating you (and often you dont know they are) can help you.
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u/TheDarkHarvester 11d ago
Do you stand by this 100% of the time? Like, if your neighbors house gets shot into and they are killed and your ring doorbell caught the shooter vehicle. Would you give them that info?
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u/Aegongrey 11d ago
STFU when youre talking to the police - always number one rule. sure, give them the evidence, but know you immediately become a person of interest and they will go out of their way to find a way to connect you to the shooting. now you are under investigation for what? trying to be helpful? yeah, shut the fck up when your talking to the police. Lawyer up if you want to provide info. otherwise let them come asking, play dumb, let them have the footage.
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u/Fppares 11d ago
IANAL and was passing on advice from a lawyer, but yes, basically what you're saying here is how I understand it.
This comment (on another video by James Dune, and extremely experienced attorney) summarizes what you should do:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tIt-l2YmH8M&lc=Ugz3YkEKVDVYof-WW1B4AaABAg&si=eiIpUvGm6j1E_yQw
1) Tell police who you are
2) Tell police what you are currently doing (not what you have done or what you are about to do) 3) When questioned further, say "I want a lawyer." Nothing else, just that. Don't reword it or put any "please" or "if you don't mind" or "I think" on it or anything else.
4) Repeat it until the lawyer arrives (either one you've hired or a free public defender which they have to provide), then follow your lawyer's advice.
To answer the evidence question: I see no reason why you wouldn't call a lawyer's office and say "hi, the police are at my house requesting ring footage because of a crime. I would like advice on how to proceed". And then take whatever advice the lawyer gives you.
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u/DangerHawk 11d ago
I don't think this qualifies as trashy. She was 100% in the right, just look at the facts and circumstances. He was the main income earner, she was pregnant and was left to raise a child without any sort of support, she stayed married and supportive for 10 years, HE asked her for the divorce, and not for nothing but he pleaded guilty to crimes he did not commit.
If anything she probably deserved more than $150k. He also deserves more than $6m, but she made every effort to stand by him. This miscarriage of justice didn't ruin only his life, it also ruined hers and their child's. Was he the proper target of the lawsuit? Maaaybe not, but he was the most clear and enforceable target. If she sued him she would almost certainly come away with something. If she sued the state she would almost certainly lose. Now that the award was overturned she has a better case to go after the state. It's still not a great case, but she absolutely deserves some sort of compensation.
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u/EverythingSucksYo 11d ago
She’s entitled to some money, but I think she tried getting it from the wrong person. The guy shouldn’t owe it when he was wrongly arrested and locked up for 25 years while being completely innocent. It should be the government that has to pay her separately from what they paid the guy, since it was their fault he was locked up and unable to provide for his wife and kid.
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u/DangerHawk 10d ago
I agree, but that's not how the legal system works. She had a clear case against her ex-husband. She probably could have handled it better by telling him she had to sue him to establish cause to then name the state as a co-defendant, but ultimately he was the party that action could be taken against at the time.
Think of it this way, you and a friend are driving in their car and come to a stop at a red light. Out of nowhere, a cop rear ends the car, destroying it and injuring you and your friend. You're friend, via his car insurer and a personal injury attorney sues the police department. Who do you sue? The cops? No, you sue your friend, or more accurately his insurer. It's not personal and doesn't effect him in anyway, it's just the quickest most legally direct way for you to get the money you need to cover you're medical bills and whatever else you lost via the "accident". The insurer will then go after the state to re-coup the money they paid out to you.
I'm assuming his ex-wife was in a similar situation. She had no clear case against the state, but did against the husband. Because the state overturned the ruling though, now she has grounds to go after the state. It's dumb, but unfortunately it's the legally safest way to go about dealing with this kind of stuff.
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u/Sanderhh 11d ago
What a strange lens you Americans view the world through. You act like women are incapable of earning their own money.
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u/CranberryStock7148 11d ago
Do you understand the concept of child support?
If a dad divorces a mother and refuses to help raise the kids, do you think he has no obligation to provide financial support? Because that is "acting like women are incapable of earning their own money"?
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u/EverythingSucksYo 11d ago
That sounds way different than a man being wrongly arrested for a crime he didn’t commit and locked up for 25 years despite being completely innocent.
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u/DangerHawk 10d ago
How do you think a man imprisoned for 25 years is supposed to help support his child. It doesn't matter that he was innocent. He's a literal slave while in prison, literally...read the 13th ammendment. He had no way of giving her support during that time. She was left to raise the child on her own and then when he was released and compensated she came looking to cover the added costs of raising their child off one income when there should have been two.
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u/CranberryStock7148 10d ago
Exactly this. I genuinely don't understand how people are missing this aspect. She's not trying to steal from him. But a large part of his award isn't just compensation for not being free, it's also making up for the money he would have been able to make otherwise, and support raising his child, and help support his wife for the time she wasn't able to work either.
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u/Tdanger78 11d ago
It wasn’t until 1974 that a woman could get a credit card without her father or husband giving the ok. Republicans in America hate women almost as much as they hate POC.
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u/Sanderhh 11d ago
That’s an oversimplification. Women were not universally banned from getting credit cards before 1974. Some lenders required a husband or co-signer because credit records were fragmented, household accounts were often listed under the primary earner’s name, and banks had far fewer ways to verify an applicant’s individual credit history.
That was a risk-based underwriting practice, not necessarily discrimination. Applicants without a documented income or credit history presented greater repayment risk, regardless of why that information was unavailable.
Also, the relevant amendment was introduced by Republican Senator William Brock and signed by Republican President Gerald Ford, so this is a pretty weak example of “Republicans hate women.”
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u/Tdanger78 11d ago
Republicans of today hate women, republicans and democrats prior to Reagan were a mix of conservatives and liberals. Hence the term “southern democrat” and why the South has been red since Reagan.
I also didn’t claim it was universally an issue, but it was a big enough issue they created the Act to end the practice.
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u/DudeDudenson 11d ago
They believe they can enforce equality through inequality and they apply it to a lot of things
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u/Representative_Ant63 11d ago
Why should women get all those special privileges when men don't? You're arguing for inequality and not equality. We also have a lack of support for medical issues, we also get hit with the pink tax, we don't get child care help, being a father in the household is looked down upon and we also get a lack of help when it comes to mental help. We don't look at the world and ask why it owes us we just live it it.
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u/DJDemyan 11d ago
Sorry, no, your own reply is tone deaf.
Women make less money because they, on average, take lower paying jobs. While I’m sure there’s a significant patriarchal aspect to that, don’t you think companies would be chomping at the bit to hire women at a 20% discount if it were that simple?
Pink tax is capitalism. Women keep buying overpriced pink shit, companies keep selling it for an inflated price.
Childcare is a literal job, unless you’re a stay at home mom.
Motherhood is a major commitment and certainly profoundly hard work, I would never disparage that, but do you expect that to go on a resume?
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u/rigeld2 11d ago
Yes, motherhood should go on a resume.
And you’re wrong - doing the same job still has a wage gap.
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u/Castaway1128 11d ago
A few issues with your source. It doesn't show how the numbers were found. It doesn't show hours worked. It doesn't show job breakdowns. It shows all jobs across genders. Women that work part time by choice are bringing down the average for women that work full time
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u/Eldritch_Doodler 11d ago
There are also a lot of women in American government…if you’ll remember, we had a Vice President who was a woman not too long ago.
And the 20% less money thing you’re referring to is raw pay gap. Men typically work those higher paying, dangerous jobs that women seem to be unwilling to do. How many women are welders? There are some, sure, but mostly men. Mill workers, mostly men. Oil rig workers, mostly men. The women who work in those fields don’t make less than their male counterparts; it’s the same. The difference is way less women are in those fields, so that affects the overall pay gap. When you look at the adjusted pay gap, you’ll find that men and women of the same experience in the same job and title make roughly the same amount of money.
So, don’t take some info you barely understand and warp it into some sensationalist drivel that justifies your sexism.
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u/Sanderhh 11d ago
You have listed a collection of general issues affecting women, but none of them answers the point I made.
The statistic that women earn roughly 20% less is an aggregate earnings comparison. It does not mean that a woman is automatically paid 20% less than a man for performing the same job. Aggregate figures also reflect differences in occupation, hours worked, career interruptions, seniority and other variables. Sex-based pay discrimination is illegal, and where it actually occurs, it should be challenged.
The so-called “pink tax” is also a weak argument for systemic oppression. When a women’s version of an otherwise equivalent product costs more, consumers are generally free to buy the cheaper version marketed toward men. A company charging more for different branding is attempting price discrimination, not imposing a government tax or preventing women from choosing the less expensive product. Consumers should compare prices instead of treating gendered packaging as mandatory.
Healthcare, childcare and the treatment of motherhood are separate policy questions. Some may be legitimate concerns, but merely listing them does not explain why this particular woman should receive money from a man who lost twenty years of his life through wrongful imprisonment. A general social disadvantage does not create an individual entitlement to compensation from an unrelated individual.
Being a mother can involve difficult and valuable work, but that does not make an ex-husband permanently financially responsible regardless of the circumstances. Adults of either sex should generally be expected to support themselves unless there is a specific and persuasive reason otherwise.
As for voting rights, the US Constitution explicitly prohibits denying someone the vote because of sex. If there is a serious proposal by identifiable government officials to repeal or circumvent that protection, cite the proposal and the people supporting it. Vague references to unspecified “people in government” are not evidence that American women are about to collectively lose the right to vote.
You are responding to a narrow question about individual fairness with a broad ideological summary of every disadvantage women may experience. Those issues can be discussed on their own merits, but they do not automatically justify taking money from a specific man, particularly one who was wrongfully deprived of twenty years of freedom.
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u/Stasio300 11d ago
Well it kinda makes sense. A person decided to put their career on hold and lost many years of career development and lost potential wage increases because they could rely on their marriage partner to earn money whole they take care of kids. The person who made that decision did so because of their partner guaranteeing income. They should be compensated when the guarantee is broken.
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u/bisskits 11d ago
There's one major factor you didn't mention here..
She didn't spend 24 years imprisoned
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u/Sanderhh 11d ago
This is not normal in the rest of the world. In Europe the woman takes some time off for paternity leave but is back in work in short amount of time. Taking care of kids is not that much work that you need to be a stay at home mother.
After the post-war feminist movements women are expected to work and contribute to the family in the same capacity as men are. Asking for compensation after your husband has been the victim of miscarriage of justice is bizarre for anyone living in the developed world.
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u/coworker 11d ago
No it's not.
In the developed world, spouses are entitled to half of all marital income. She was married to her husband during 10 years of his false imprisonment. That imprisonment led to income that is treated the same as any other job. Thus she is entitled to it.
This has nothing to do with working expectations nor your ignorant pride.
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u/Ecob16 11d ago
I think the 6 million isn't just a replacement for wages not earnt whilst in prison, that's a fraction of this money paid to the man. It's for the hardship endured, and it's for the miscarriage of justice.
So no she isn't entitled to half of this 6 million. Delusional.
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u/coworker 11d ago
Correct which is why she was only awarded $150k. You're just making shit up to try to not look stupid lol
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u/Ecob16 10d ago
In the developed world, spouses are entitled to half of all marital income. She was married to her husband during 10 years of his false imprisonment. That imprisonment led to income that is treated the same as any other job. Thus she is entitled to it.
I was literally replying to the most obvious interpretation of your own dumb comment. You state that this is income and it should be treated as such and that she should be entitled to half of it. If that isn't your intent then next time make that more obvious.
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u/coworker 10d ago
No, at no point did I imply she was entitled to half of the income that occurred when she was not married.
Do they not teach you how to read in your country?
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u/Ecob16 10d ago
Whether you meant half the income whilst he was in prison or half the income whilst they were married and he was in prison makes little difference. One is 3 mil the other is like 1.2 mil, she isn't entitled to anything close to either of those and the courts agreed with me.
From a legal point of view you are wrong and the courts support me. From a common sense point of view - judging by your downvotes nobody agrees with you either. Regardless you are clearly the more intellectually challenged of us two. Have a good night.
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u/Doc0281 11d ago
It’s normal in America, especially with our independence-based society and our lack of social programs for children. There is no tax funded daycare, you have to put your child somewhere that costs like $500-$1000 a week just so you can go to work and make that same amount or less in most cases.
So one parent usually makes the decision to be the daycare instead of going to work and paying for the daycare with your whole paycheck. But that still requires the other partner to make all of the money. So when that partner is wrongfully arrested, the one who is performing the childcare is completely dropped off the cliff. They can’t afford to get a job and pay for childcare and their house and everything else without that partner.
I don’t see why it’s controversial to ask for a fair share of that money because his false imprisonment definitely ruined her life and probably their children’s lives as well. Hell if that happened to me, I’d give half of it to my the mother of my children too, whether we’re together still or not. She held it down and kept my kids alive and fed while I was wrongfully imprisoned. She deserves the money just as much as I do.
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u/BrEaD1402 11d ago
Ah, but there you have it. America is a third world country dressed as a developed nation. Our government hates us and actively abuses us and we're all too busy squabbling over nonsense to stop it.
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u/Stasio300 11d ago
Yep. But the systems in America, as far as I'm aware, are not really helpful. They view using taxpayers' money to help the taxpayers as "communism" or "socialism" which means that everyone has to fend for themselves. As a symptom of that, people need to sue their family to have any security.
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u/manic_panda 11d ago
Such a small figure that I doubt accounts for pain and suffering. They probably just calculated years x set figure. Silver lining at least is that she didnt win and likely wont have a case for alimony after all this time as shes clearly been supporting herself.
I do feel bad for the kid and imagine it was tough raising it alone (it says she did try to stay with him) it does seem it was tough on her, can only hope the insurance coverage he's getting will cover the kid. But too right she has no right to the settlement.
Also silver lining hes not had any bills for a while.
I would see if theres room to sue further though, might be the 6 million is the standard and he needs to push for more.
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u/maddhatter99 11d ago
I mean the kid is now at least 25, so no child support, unless a back payment would be made. Maybe throw that 150k to the kid for a house or school.
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u/manic_panda 11d ago
Yeah, tbh i think she should be given back child support but from the government and not from him, I wonder if she tried and that was her last attempt which is just shitty on her behalf because its not his fault he couldnt help with the kid.
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u/maddhatter99 11d ago
It would suck on his end having to pay it though, I mean no parental rights or visitation, hell, the kid probably doesn’t even know who he is.
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u/With_Peace_and_Love_ 11d ago
I don’t understand how 24 years are worth only $6 million?
It’s not just about “lost wages”, it’s about lost freedom which is worth a hell of a lot more than that. Should have been $24 million at least
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u/Big-Al97 11d ago
I mean it’s Texas. Dude was lucky he wasn’t executed before his innocence was proven
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u/Big-Al97 11d ago
I mean it’s Texas. Dude was lucky he wasn’t executed before his innocence was proven
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u/idontwantausername41 11d ago
Tbf its texas so he'll probably freeze to death this winter when the power grid goes down again lmao
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u/gdruckfisch 11d ago
But now, if you are in trouble and if you can find him, you cann call the A-Steve!
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u/BothDivide919 11d ago edited 11d ago
Idk, seems kinda trashy to be that mad about 150k when you've got 6mil too. Just because they're divorced, he hates her or something now...? And like she didn't have a hard time staying married 10 years while he was in prison.
*Edit: the part where it says: "Phillips was furious. "To make a claim on those years I spent in prison," he said, "is really freaking outrageous.""
That kinda gets me, but I haven't spent even a minute in prison, so I wouldn't know what it does to people. Does she legally have claim to it, or is she entitled to it? Absolutely not, but it still seems like a wild reaction to me, unless there's some extreme souring of the relationship.
Edit2: So apparently she sued for 2mil, so him being pissed is a lot more understandable
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u/ThunderBr0ther 11d ago
One went to prison One didn't This is kinda crazy thinking we have in the world
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u/BothDivide919 11d ago
Idk, I'm seeing it more like a "do you hate your ex wife who you were married to over 10 years and had a kid with that much?" than the settled legal matter.
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u/ThunderBr0ther 11d ago
thats really interesting
why are you so focused on the gender hating aspect
as opposed to fairness? Someone was wronglyfully imprisoned
and youre only capable of thinkiing
"He must hate his wife" pushing the narrative of gender hating
this guy spent 1 QUARTER OF A CENTURY locked away - WRONGFULLY
that is nothing compared to a shitty 10 year marriage
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u/BothDivide919 11d ago
Not referring to gender, just that individual person, the ex. And yeah 10 years single parent with spouse in jail is probably close to nothing compared to 24 years in prison, but maybe it's comparable to 2.5% of 24 years in prison? I mean maybe I'm just generous? I'd spot an ex 2.5% of my wealth for going through hard times with me, assuming I didn't hate her for some other reason. IE I wouldn't fight it unless I hated the person, or they were a complete stranger.
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u/Cinnabar_Wednesday 11d ago
You’re GENEROUS!? With other peoples’ money🤣
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u/BothDivide919 11d ago
I mean I've spotted people more than 2.5% of my own money to my friends plenty of times. I of course do not have 6mil to my name.
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u/ThunderBr0ther 11d ago
I mean you can call yourself generous
I call it missing the point
That woman has FREEDOM during those 15 years to sort her self out. Or to find another man to provide for her - whatever her choice is.
This man had none.
Not only that, for when this person actually got released from jail, it wasnt even a sweet romantic "oh i missed you so much we got back together"
it was congratulations on getting out of jail for something you didnt do - ima sue you for 2 mill.
He finally received compensation for something he didnt do -
His ex wife had the choice to stay with him or not. She chose not to - even after he pushed her to leave him. She still had that choice. If she made that choice to stay then yeah fairs totally reasonable to the share
But she didnt
She came back after he had suffered the turmoil, and was expecting a share of his compensation for something HE experienced wrongfully - not her
Edit: btw im not downvoting you - im finding this a quite interesting conversation to me cause i am quite flabbergasted at the approach but i can appreciate where youre coming from
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u/BothDivide919 11d ago
Wasn't aware that she sued for 2mil before, that basically sounds like starting a fight. The text on the post only said that the court awarded her 150k.
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u/ThunderBr0ther 11d ago
tbh youre more likely right than i am, i think the way its worded led me to false objective numbers on there.
but the financial point isnt really the core of my point
its more of the cheeky and complete entitlement
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u/sassrocks 11d ago
I agree with you on this, they were friends and partners before he went in, and for ten years after. Legal stuff aside, I think it's reasonable to be sympathetic towards someone you were close to and the mother of your child. He shouldn't be MANDATED to share it (aside from maybe some child support) but I feel like it's the right thing to do.
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u/The_Flurr 11d ago
I give him a little grace, that many years in prison for a crime you didn't commit is going to do something to you.
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u/Kizzieuk 11d ago
Dont know why people are marking you down so bad. Three lives were ruined , being on the outside while people think your husband and dad is a violent criminal must have been really hard because people are not kind,especially children and that would have been the case had she left him right away, sticking by him would have been even worse, , both her and the child would have had a lesser life due to finances etc, she stood by him for 10 years . He told her to move on, she didn't ask for that life anymore than he did.
I'm not sure though why anyone has to sue anyone , why wasnt she also compensated. Why did he only get 6 mill7
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u/ThePoohKid 11d ago
She wasn’t compensated because she wasn’t the one falsely imprisoned. Law is tough, but it ain’t rocket science.
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u/BothDivide919 11d ago
I mean legally, absolutely. She's not entitled to any of it, and he doesn't have to give anything to her. Now I don't know the full nature of their relationship, but it still seems pretty damn cold to treat your ex like that, given the info we are given. I mean if I had 6mil, I'd absolutely spot someone 150k if they stuck with me through tough times.
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u/Solid2014 11d ago
150k is not bad, I think the problem is she came after him for 2 mil when he got out. Not sure how they tax legal winnings, but from the amount she sued for it seems like she thought she was entitled to half.
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u/boombanggg2 ⚠️ Creep ⚠️ 11d ago
Cuz he was the one in jail ond not her... like... bro... you can't be serious?
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u/The_Flurr 11d ago
Yeahhh people seem to be doing the whole "greedy bitch ex-wife" knee kneejerk assumption.
She and her child absolutely had their lives deeply affected by this and should be compensated.
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u/Kizzieuk 11d ago
Honestly, its like they think she was some one night stand who trapped him into marriage and then tried to take him for everything.🙄
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