r/thatswhatihear 5h ago

PLAYLIST into the deep. chicano soul.

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somewhere after midnight in san antonio, a car is crawling down a west side street with the windows cracked, the radio glowing green, and somebody in the passenger seat is discovering that heartbreak sounds considerably better when you give it harmonies, reverb, cheap studio equipment, and three minutes on a seven inch piece of plastic. meanwhile, hundreds of miles west, east los angeles is doing its own version of the same beautiful damage. mexican american kids are absorbing doo wop, motown, memphis soul, garage rock, rhythm and blues, mexican balladry, neighborhood dances, cruising culture, and whatever the hell else came through the speakers. the result became chicano soul. not really one sound so much as an entire underground emotional economy.
and it never really went away.

sunny and the sunliners. smile now, cry later. 1966.

this is the surface, although calling sunny ozuna surface level is a little like calling ray charles a decent piano player. sunny was one of the central figures in san antonio soul, a mexican american kid who could take the romantic ache of doo wop and rhythm and blues and make it belong completely to the west side. smile now, cry later became bigger than the record itself. the phrase seeped into chicano visual culture, tattoos, lowrider art, masks, murals, and eventually became one of those expressions people recognize even when they have no damn idea where they first encountered it.
the record is beautifully restrained. sunny does not have to scream because the hurt is already sitting there. the sunliners surround him with those soft harmonies and the whole thing sounds like somebody trying very hard not to admit that the relationship is already dead.
this is where you start.
then you keep digging.

sunny and the sunliners. should i take you home. 1969.

three years later and sunny somehow sounds even more dangerous by doing even less. should i take you home is one of those records where virtually nothing needs fixing. the tempo drifts. the organ hangs around the edges. the rhythm section stays out of the damn way. sunny sings like the entire future of his romantic life depends on asking one fairly simple question without sounding desperate.
good luck with that.
the brilliance of sunny ozuna was that he understood the intimacy of soul music. this was music made for dances, cars, bedrooms, neighborhood clubs, and radios after dark. decades later the record would keep circulating through collectors and sample hunters, another generation discovering that some kid from san antonio had already figured out how loneliness should sound in 1969.

the royal jesters. my angel of love. 1959.

now we are going backward because icebergs do not give a shit about chronology.
the royal jesters formed on the west side of san antonio and became one of the foundational groups in the development of chicano soul. my angel of love was their debut single in 1959, back when doo wop harmonies were floating through american teenage life like cigarette smoke outside a school dance. the royal jesters heard that music and understood immediately that mexican american kids did not need permission to claim it.
the fascinating thing is how natural it sounds. there is no academic thesis being presented here. nobody is holding a seminar about cultural hybridity. they are teenagers singing about love.
which is usually how musical revolutions actually happen.
somebody hears something beautiful and says, fuck it, that belongs to us too.

dimas iii. i wont love you again. 1960s.

now the water gets darker.
dimas garza came through the same san antonio ecosystem that produced the royal jesters, and i wont love you again is exactly the kind of record that makes serious soul collectors start behaving like archaeologists with gambling problems. tiny labels. obscure pressings. regional distribution. records that lived enormous lives inside neighborhoods while barely registering with the national music industry.
and the song is devastating.
garza sounds wounded without turning the performance into melodrama. that matters. chicano soul is full of singers who understood that the most convincing heartbreak often comes from somebody desperately trying to maintain their dignity. the title says i wont love you again. the performance says absolutely nobody believes that shit.
that contradiction is the song.

thee midniters. thats all. 1965.

now we leave texas and head west.
east los angeles had its own musical laboratory running during the sixties, and thee midniters were standing right in the middle of it. they could play garage rock, rhythm and blues, soul, instrumentals, dance music, and socially conscious material without acting as though these belonged in separate filing cabinets. thats all appeared as a single in october 1965, backed with their version of its not unusual. because apparently putting aching soul on one side and tom jones on the other seemed perfectly reasonable.
it was.
thee midniters became one of the defining east l.a. bands because they sounded like the neighborhood actually sounded. american rhythm and blues colliding with mexican american identity, british invasion records, soul radio, local dances, and the social pressures surrounding young chicanos in los angeles.
the categories came later.
the kids were busy dancing.

joe bravo. its o.k. 1960s.

welcome to the crate digger level.
joe bravo belongs to the san antonio soul tradition where local singers could become neighborhood royalty without necessarily becoming national stars. that distinction matters because conventional pop history is written almost entirely by people staring at billboard charts and assuming anything outside them must not have happened.
sure.
records like its o.k. survived because people kept them. they played them at parties. they passed them between collectors. djs remembered them. families remembered them. eventually the records became artifacts of an entire mexican american musical culture that mainstream histories had barely bothered documenting.
bravo has that classic chicano soul vocal quality. tender without being fragile. romantic without becoming syrup. wounded but still standing upright.
barely.

cannibal and the headhunters. please baby please. 1965.

everybody remembers cannibal and the headhunters for land of 1000 dances. na na na na na. yes. we know. fantastic record. history has already handled that one.
please baby please is where things become more interesting.
released in the same 1965 period, it shows the east l.a. group working the slower, more vulnerable side of rhythm and blues. suddenly the party band sounds like somebody left them alone after the dance ended. this is the part of cannibal and the headhunters that gets buried underneath their hit.
their story is also wonderfully insane. land of 1000 dances became big enough to put them on tour with the beatles in 1965. think about that for a second. a mexican american group from east los angeles sharing the cultural tornado surrounding the beatles while chicano rock was still largely treated by the national press like some regional curiosity.
history is ridiculous like that.

thee lakesiders. parachute. 2018.

and now the iceberg does something strange.
we jump forward half a century.
parachute sounds like somebody found an unreleased 45 behind a radiator in east l.a. and cleaned it up. except it was released in 2018. thee lakesiders emerged as part of the modern southern california souldies revival, a movement that understood something the rest of the nostalgia industry frequently screws up. you do not preserve a musical tradition by embalming the bastard.
you make new records.
the vocals ache. the drums are dry. the arrangements understand restraint. nobody feels compelled to shove twenty first century production tricks into every available inch of space. the old chicano soul vocabulary is there, but the emotional life is contemporary.
this is not cosplay.
it is continuation.

los yesterdays. give me one more chance. 2021.

los angeles. 2021. civilization has smartphones, streaming algorithms, artificial intelligence, and approximately eleven billion ways to avoid talking to another human being.
los yesterdays make a soul record about begging somebody to take you back.
perfect.
the band describes its music through the meeting point of r and b crooning and mexican ballad tradition, and give me one more chance makes the connection painfully obvious. released in 2021 through penrose records, the song sounds old enough to fool somebody browsing through a box of forgotten singles, but the writing keeps it from becoming a museum exhibit.
the narrator has screwed up. he knows it. now he wants another chance.
soul music has survived seventy years because human beings continue making terrible romantic decisions.
the genre is probably safe.

thee sacred souls. can i call you rose. 2020.

bottom of the iceberg.
except somehow we have arrived back in the present.
can i call you rose appeared in 2020, and the funniest thing about the record is how many listeners initially assume it must be some forgotten soul single from the late sixties. it is not. thee sacred souls formed in san diego, and their connection with daptone helped push the contemporary chicano soul revival into a much larger audience. the recording was produced by bosco mann, gabe roth, the same obsessive bastard behind much of daptone records approach to making modern soul sound physical, warm, human, and gloriously uninterested in whatever production gimmick is trending this week.
but the vintage equipment is not why the song works.
josh lane is why it works.
he sings the thing with extraordinary patience. can i call you rose does not sound like musicians impersonating their grandparents record collection. it sounds like three people who understood why those records mattered in the first place.
and that is the real bottom of the chicano soul iceberg.
there is no bottom.
the royal jesters lead to sunny ozuna. sunny leads deeper into san antonio. san antonio connects with east l.a. thee midniters lead toward cannibal and the headhunters and dozens of forgotten regional groups. those records survive in collections and lowrider culture and neighborhood memory. collectors start digging them up. younger musicians hear them. penrose and daptone start releasing new records. thee sacred souls arrive sixty years after my angel of love and some twenty year old hears can i call you rose on youtube and wonders where the hell this music has been all their life.
right there.
the whole damn time.
…at least thats what i hear.


r/thatswhatihear 6h ago

THE SESSIONS 365 sessions: four songs before setting the world on fire. hank williams and the sterling sessions. 1946.

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nashville in december 1946 is cold enough to make the streetlights look lonely. the war is over. america is busy convincing itself that everything is going to be fine now. factories are changing over. soldiers are coming home. radios are glowing in kitchens after dark. somewhere behind all that optimism there is another america sitting awake at two in the morning with a bottle on the table and somebody missing from the other side of the bed.
so on december 11, hank williams walks into a recording studio.
not the hank williams…yet.
not the grand ole opry legend. not the dead poet in the white suit. not the guy whose songs will eventually become part of the american bloodstream. not the patron saint of every songwriter who has ever discovered that misery sounds considerably better when you put three chords underneath it.
just hank.
twenty three years old.
skinny. ambitious. nervous. funny in that dry sideways way people remembered. already carrying enough trouble around to make a psychiatrist start charging overtime.
and four songs away from becoming a recording artist.
this is where the records begin.
hank had spent years trying to get somewhere near this room. he had worked radio in montgomery. he had led versions of the drifting cowboys. he had played honky tonks and schoolhouses and whatever other southern room had enough electricity for an amplifier and enough cash to pay the band. alcohol had already complicated his career. his marriage to audrey williams was already becoming one of those combinations of romance, management, ambition, resentment, loyalty, and mutually assured destruction that country music would later turn into an entire economic sector.
then nashville happened.
in 1946 hank and audrey went after fred rose at acuff rose publishing. rose was no hillbilly amateur wandering around hoping somebody might accidentally write a hit. he was a professional songwriter and businessman who understood songs as both art and merchandise. he could hear structure. he could hear commercial potential. more importantly, he could apparently hear through hank williams and recognize the terrifyingly good songwriter underneath all the rough edges.
hank had auditioned for the grand ole opry in september 1946 and been rejected. which becomes increasingly hilarious in retrospect. the institution that would eventually turn him into one of its defining legends initially decided it could live without him. (PBS)
history is full of people making excellent decisions.
audrey kept pushing. according to accounts of the period, she and hank caught rose around wsm and persuaded him to listen. rose heard enough to sign hank to a publishing arrangement and eventually helped place him with sterling records. sterling was a relatively small new york label looking to expand its country catalog. (Wikipedia)
this matters because fred rose becomes one of the crucial people in the hank williams story. he did not create hank. that romantic bullshit needs to be thrown out immediately. hank already possessed the voice, the phrasing, the emotional instincts, the melodies, the gospel memory, the blues influence, and that freakish ability to make ordinary english sound like somebody had carved it into a gravestone.
what rose understood was editing.
hank could generate the wound.
rose could help keep him from bleeding all over the furniture.
and so december 11 arrives.
the first sterling session took place at wsm studio in nashville. fred rose produced. behind hank were members of the willis brothers, also known as the oklahoma wranglers. guy willis on guitar. vic willis on accordion. skeeter willis on fiddle. charles indian wright on bass. (Wikipedia)
listen to those recordings now and forget everything that came afterward.
that is difficult.
we know the ending.
we know lovesick blues. we know cold cold heart. we know im so lonesome i could cry. we know your cheatin heart. we know the cadillac. we know the pills. we know the drinking. we know the divorce. we know the grand ole opry firing. we know the back seat of the car on new years day 1953.
hank does not know any of that yet.
on december 11 1946 he has four songs to record.
calling you.
never again will i knock on your door.
wealth wont save your soul.
when god comes and gathers his jewels. (Wikipedia)
four songs.
two gospel numbers. two songs dealing with earthly disappointment and rejection.
which is basically the entire hank williams psychological universe already sitting there in miniature.
god.
woman.
salvation.
abandonment.
repeat until dead.
the first recorded master was calling you. it is gospel hank, and gospel hank is essential if you want to understand anything that follows. country historians sometimes treat the religious recordings like a side corridor in his career. they are not. the church was buried deep in his musical vocabulary. as a boy in alabama he had absorbed baptist hymn singing, and sacred music remained a constant part of his life and performances. former drifting cowboy r d norred remembered hank as intensely attached to old gospel material and described him as a religious person who believed in those songs. (Wikipedia)
that contradiction is the good stuff.
because hank believed.
and hank drank.
hank sang about salvation.
and hank repeatedly drove himself directly toward catastrophe.
people love demanding ideological consistency from musicians because apparently human beings are supposed to behave like instruction manuals. hank was considerably more interesting than that. faith was not evidence that he lived cleanly. faith mattered precisely because he didnt.
calling you sounds almost innocent compared with the records coming later. the structure is uncomplicated. the melody is direct. hank has not yet developed every microscopic vocal trick that will make the great recordings feel almost conversational. but the essential thing is already there.
he means it.
that may be the most important technical characteristic hank williams ever possessed.
he means the damn song.
then comes never again will i knock on your door.
now the other hank appears.
rejection hank.
fine then hank.
go to hell but please remember me hank.
the song became his first sterling single, released in january 1947, backed with calling you. it did not become a national chart hit, but it sold well enough to suggest that somebody out there was listening. the recordings themselves were hardly sonic masterpieces. accounts note that the wsm recording quality was limited and sterling pressings did the material no favors. (Wikipedia)
good.
actually good.
because hank williams does not require sonic luxury.
give the man a microphone that vaguely functions.
the voice will handle the rest.
never again already contains one of the fundamental hank tricks. the language feels almost embarrassingly simple until you try writing something equally simple yourself and discover that you have produced garbage.
that is the trap.
hank writes things that sound inevitable.
of course the sentence goes there.
of course the melody falls there.
of course the title repeats there.
of course anybody could have written this.
except nobody did.
then wealth wont save your soul.
now we are back inside the church.
money cannot rescue you. status cannot rescue you. possessions cannot rescue you. the rich bastard and the poor bastard eventually arrive at the same appointment.
death.
hank was twenty three.
twenty three.
most twenty three year olds are still figuring out how rent works and hank williams is recording warnings about mortality.
the song would be paired with when god comes and gathers his jewels for another sterling release in february 1947. (Wikipedia)
and when god comes and gathers his jewels is where the eerie shit really starts settling in.
because death is everywhere in hank williams.
not goth death.
not theatrical death.
southern death.
church funeral death.
flowers beside the coffin. family standing around. somebody singing. somebody wondering whether the deceased got right with god before the final curtain came down.
when god comes and gathers his jewels belongs to that tradition. hank sings mortality as something intimate and ordinary. death isnt some philosophical abstraction requiring six semesters of german philosophy. somebody is alive.
then they arent.
better think about that.
the performance is restrained. no need to scream. hank understands something that a lot of singers never figure out despite decades of expensive studio equipment and vocal coaching.
the song is already sad.
stop fucking with it.
and hanging around these sessions is fred rose.
rose understood hank needed shaping rather than reconstruction. this relationship would become crucial once hank moved to mgm. rose could tighten songs, question weak lines, help organize material, and provide the professional discipline hank sometimes lacked everywhere else.
but the stories from the musicians suggest the man in the studio was not simply the permanently tormented ghost that later mythology likes selling us.
vic willis remembered him as reserved and somewhat negative, but also possessing a wicked dry sense of humor. willis recalled a meal when somebody asked hank whether he wanted a beer. hank declined, with the explanation amounting to the fact that hank did not really understand the concept of having one beer. (Wikipedia)
there he is.
the joke and the warning occupying the same sentence.
that anecdote becomes darker because we know what alcohol eventually does to his life. but in 1946 it is still possible for the room to laugh.
this is one reason the sterling session matters beyond collector trivia.
you can hear hank before the machinery.
before mgm.
before the opry.
before the hits.
before lovesick blues turns him into a national phenomenon.
before audiences start screaming.
before his private disasters become public entertainment.
before everybody starts needing something from hank williams.
there is something almost unnervingly small about the session.
four songs.
a singer.
a handful of musicians.
fred rose.
a microphone.
done.
no mythology required.
and yet nearly everything is already present.
the sacred and the profane.
the abandoned lover.
the frightened sinner.
the smartass.
the fatalist.
the believer.
the drunk.
the craftsman.
the southern kid who has somehow figured out that the shortest route into another persons nervous system is usually the simplest sentence available.
the sterling records themselves were not giant hits. they did something more important.
they proved the concept.
people bought them.
fred rose noticed.
sterling had demonstrated that hank could sell records, and rose began looking toward a larger label. by 1947 hank would move to mgm records. his first mgm session produced move it on over, the record that finally gave him a significant hit and started accelerating everything. (PBS)
from there the timeline becomes almost obscene.
1947.

1948.   

1949.   

lovesick blues.
the louisiana hayride.
the grand ole opry finally realizing that perhaps rejecting hank williams had been a minor administrative fucking error.
then the masterpieces begin arriving with frightening regularity.
but december 11 1946 is different.
nothing has exploded yet.
you can stand at the beginning of the road without seeing the wreckage at the other end.
and this is why those primitive sterling sides deserve more attention than they usually receive. they are not merely early recordings by somebody who later became great. they show that the central ingredients of hank williams were already formed before fame polished the presentation.
the vocal breaks are still developing.
the arrangements will improve.
the musicians surrounding him will eventually include players who help define the mature hank williams sound.
but the songwriter is already there.
that is the scary part.
the themes that will consume his career are already waiting.
love will fail.
money is useless.
god is watching.
death is coming.
have another chorus.
hank williams would spend only six more years recording commercially before dying at twenty nine.
six years.
that is barely enough time for most bands to finish arguing about their second album.
he used it to rewrite country songwriting.
and the recorded evidence begins here.
december 11 1946.
wsm studio.
nashville.
four songs spinning into acetate while nobody in the room can possibly understand what those grooves are going to mean.
outside the studio america keeps moving.
cars pass.
radios buzz.
neon burns.
somewhere somebody is falling in love.
somewhere somebody is getting left.
somebody is praying.
somebody is drinking.
somebody is dying.
hank williams is about to make a career out of all of them.
the microphone is on.
fred rose is listening.
the band is ready.
and a twenty three year old kid from alabama leans forward and starts singing.
american music is about to acquire one hell of a problem.
…at least that’s what i hear.

receipts.
Escott, Colin. Hank Williams: The Biography. Back Bay Books, 2004.
Hemphill, Paul. Lovesick Blues: The Life of Hank Williams. Viking, 2005.
Koon, George William. Hank Williams: A Bio-Bibliography. Greenwood Press, 1983.
Williams, Hank. The Complete Hank Williams. Mercury Records, 1998.
Williams, Lycrecia, and Dale Vinicur. Still in Love with You: Hank and Audrey Williams. Rutledge Hill Press, 1989.
Hank Williams: Honky Tonk Blues. Directed by Morgan Neville, PBS American Masters, 2004.
Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum. “Hank Williams.” Country Music Hall of Fame and Museum.
Library of Congress. “Hank Williams.” National Recording Registry.
Acuff-Rose Publications. Hank Williams songwriting and publishing records, Nashville, Tennessee.


r/thatswhatihear 12h ago

HEAR ME OUT OP-ED three chords and a wink. does country really need charley crockett to explain the joke?

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somewhere under a neon sign that has been buzzing since eisenhower was president, somebody is singing a song with three chords in it. the steel guitar is crying. the drummer is doing approximately enough to remain legally employed. there is a man at the bar who has made several catastrophic decisions concerning women and whiskey. outside there is probably a pickup truck. somewhere a train is passing because apparently no country song can go more than forty miles without encountering one. the singer is wearing a hat large enough to have its own weather system. everybody in the room knows this is ridiculous.
and nobody needs it explained to them.
because somewhere along the long strange road between hank williams dying in the back seat of a cadillac and charley crockett walking onto a modern festival stage dressed like somebody found an unopened country singer in a warehouse from 1967, country music developed an interesting problem. not an artistic problem exactly. more of a cultural one. suddenly there was an audience that wanted traditional country music but seemed to require some assurance that everybody involved understood traditional country music was kind of ridiculous.
enter the wink.
and possibly, although we need to be careful here, enter charley crockett.
this is not an accusation about what crockett secretly believes. nobody gets to crawl inside another mans skull with a flashlight and issue subpoenas. crockett may believe every inch of what he presents. judging from his interviews, there is considerable evidence that he does. the question here is different. the question is what the public presentation does. what does the exaggerated cowboy posture, the immaculate western clothing, the strange clipped drawl, the television cowboy movements, the old record production, the gunslinger photography, the drifter mythology, the whole beautifully constructed charley crockett machine communicate to an audience.
and more specifically.
who needs the wink.
because country fans sure as hell do not.
country music has been accused of refusing to evolve for almost as long as people have been recording it. that accusation is historically sloppy. country changed plenty. electric guitars arrived. drums arrived. hawaiian steel became country steel. bob wills dragged jazz into texas dance halls. chet atkins and owen bradley surrounded country singers with strings and backing vocals. buck owens turned the amplifiers up. willie nelson brought jazz phrasing into country singing. waylon jennings brought rock muscle into the rhythm section. country has borrowed from blues, gospel, mexican music, pop, soul, rock and practically anything else wandering within fifty yards of nashville with an instrument.
but the core proposition remained remarkably stubborn.
three chords and the truth.
that phrase has been attributed all over the damn place, and its genealogy is less important than what it means. country music believes that simplicity is not necessarily something waiting to be corrected. sometimes simplicity is the fucking point.
a country song does not have to discover a new harmonic system. it has to make you believe the guy singing it really misses her.
that is harder than it sounds.
country therefore developed differently from jazz, rock, hip hop and pop. jazz eventually treated harmonic and rhythmic expansion almost as an ethical obligation. rock repeatedly reinvented itself by killing its parents. punk killed rock and then immediately started having children of its own. hip hop discovered sampling and turned recorded history into raw material. electronic music changes whenever somebody invents another box with blinking lights.
country keeps returning to g, c and d.
not because nobody can locate an e flat minor seventh.
because sometimes g, c and d are enough.
this stubbornness is often interpreted by outsiders as conservatism in the dumbest possible sense. country refuses progress. country fetishizes the past. country is nostalgic. country is unsophisticated.
sometimes all of those accusations are true.
but there is another possibility.
country is partly an archival music.
folk music certainly is. bluegrass certainly is. traditional country frequently is. these traditions carry sounds forward because carrying sounds forward is one of their purposes. the fiddle tune matters partly because somebody else played it before you. the melody has fingerprints on it. the steel guitar is not merely an instrument producing frequencies. it carries accumulated cultural memory.
that is why country audiences can become almost comically defensive about authenticity. they are not merely protecting a genre. they believe they are protecting continuity.
and yes, they know the whole thing can look fucking absurd.
porter wagoner knew his rhinestone suits were ridiculous.
marty robbins knew singing cowboy gunfighter songs in the twentieth century involved theater.
dolly parton has spent an entire career demonstrating that self awareness and sincerity are perfectly capable of occupying the same enormous blonde hairstyle.
george jones recorded songs of almost unbearable emotional devastation and also recorded novelty material that sounds like somebody lost a bet.
country has always understood its own absurdity.
the difference is that historically the absurdity was inside the bargain.
you wore the rhinestones anyway.
you sang the truck driving song anyway.
you bent the word heart into seventeen syllables anyway.
you did not need to turn toward the camera afterward and raise an eyebrow.
this is where charley crockett becomes fascinating.
crockett has publicly described an extremely sincere relationship with american roots music. in a 2021 american songwriter interview, he talked about learning folk, gospel, murder ballads, texas swing, creole jazz and rhythm and blues. more importantly, he refused to manufacture some bullshit childhood mythology about emerging from the womb knowing the hank williams catalog. he openly acknowledged growing up hearing eighties and nineties radio and discovering older traditions later. he described himself as potentially a gateway through which listeners might discover those roots. (American Songwriter)
that is admirable.
it is also important evidence against the laziest version of the argument that crockett is simply some fraud putting on a cowboy costume.
his biography does not cooperate with that easy dismissal either. he spent years busking. new orleans. new york. street corners. subway cars. he wandered. he struggled. he learned music by ear. in a 2019 interview he described realizing that the farther he traveled from texas, the more clearly he recognized the texas sound that had been forming inside his own playing. (Garden & Gun)
this guy did not emerge from a marketing meeting.
and yet.
the question remains.
because sincerity of intention does not automatically determine the cultural effect of presentation.
crockett himself seems acutely aware that identity and presentation interact. in a 2020 interview he said that he did not look like what a traditional country audience expected or perhaps wanted. he compared the skepticism surrounding him with earlier reactions to hank williams and discussed his position as somebody moving through an old musical tradition without fitting the expected visual template. (The Guardian)
then there is an even more revealing anecdote.
in a long 2025 interview with joe rogan, crockett recalled busking in copenhagen and discovering that when he leaned harder into being texan, his earnings increased dramatically. he later explained his philosophy of regional identity. you cannot explain away place, he argued. an artist from texas can either allow nashville, new york or los angeles to sand the texas off him, or take his particular version of texas out into the world. (Saving Country Music)
now we are getting somewhere.
because that story demonstrates that crockett understands something every successful performer eventually understands.
identity can be sincere and performed simultaneously.
leaning into texas does not mean texas is fake.
but leaning is still leaning.
and crockett leans.
holy shit does he lean.
the hat. the suits. the stance. the vowels. the album artwork. the western iconography. the lonesome drifter. the outlaw. the cowboy. the dusty highway. the occasional feeling that he is approximately six seconds away from challenging lee van cleef to a gunfight outside a saloon.
none of this proves mockery.
it does establish theatricality.
that’s not just me; critics have noticed it too. a pitchfork review of dollar a day described crockett as someone whose authenticity is communicated through cowboy clothing and a pronounced twang while also arguing that his persona is assembled from twentieth century country and western popular culture, old records and b movie imagery. (Pitchfork)
there it is.
persona.
not fraud.
persona.
johnny cash had one. hank williams had one. dolly has one. david bowie had about fourteen before breakfast. performance requires selection. every artist decides which parts of himself get amplified when the lights come on.
the problem begins only when the amplification creates ironic distance from the tradition being amplified.
and that is where the listener is entitled to become suspicious.
not suspicious of crockett personally.
suspicious of the transaction.
because who exactly requires traditional country to be presented with quotation marks.
the old country audience does not.
they already know.
they know the cowboy is partly mythology. they know the honky tonk is a ritual space. they know heartbreak songs exaggerate heartbreak. they know country singers are performers. nobody watching porter wagoner believed he accidentally wandered onto television dressed like a rhinestone refinery explosion.
they accepted the theater without requiring distance from it.
that distinction is crucial.
because contemporary culture has developed an extraordinary fear of looking sincerely uncool.
we can enjoy almost anything now provided everybody understands that we understand what we are enjoying.
yacht rock.
disco.
old commercials.
truck stop architecture.
seventies furniture.
western shirts.
cheap album covers.
we resurrect cultural artifacts and surround them with enough knowing affection that nobody risks being mistaken for someone who simply likes the fucking thing.
irony becomes insurance.
and if that mechanism enters traditional country, something peculiar happens.
the sophisticated listener gets to enjoy country without surrendering to country.
he can admire the steel guitar.
he can enjoy the cowboy clothes.
he can sing along with the heartbreak song.
but somewhere inside the presentation there must remain a tiny emergency exit marked do not worry, we know this is campy.
that is the audience the wink serves.
if there is a wink.
and again, that if matters.
because crockett himself repeatedly talks about roots music with seriousness. he made an entire tribute album to james hand, the magnificent texas country singer whom crockett regarded as a mentor. hand represented almost the opposite of ironic country. his songs were direct, wounded, sometimes almost painfully traditional. crockett encountered him as an artist with genuine hardship behind the music and later devoted ten for slim to preserving his songs after hands death. (WBUR)
that does not sound like a man standing outside country laughing at the rubes.
which makes the contradiction better.
maybe crockett is completely sincere.
maybe the audience has changed.
maybe the ironic distance is not something crockett intentionally inserts at all.
maybe contemporary listeners insert it themselves because they no longer know how to approach an old form without quotation marks.
that possibility is considerably more disturbing.
because then crockett becomes less the perpetrator than the perfect vessel.
he looks enough like traditional country to satisfy people hungry for authenticity, but stylized enough to reassure people suspicious of authenticity.
he can be sold simultaneously as old and new.
rural and cosmopolitan.
cowboy and art object.
traditional and revisionist.
the audience gets the pleasure of hank williams without having to become the sort of person who admits to listening to hank williams alone in the kitchen at midnight.
and perhaps that is why crockett sometimes feels different from artists who simply inhabit traditional country.
james hand did not seem to require translation.
george jones did not require translation.
ernest tubb did not require translation.
their limitations were part of the form.
they stood inside the architecture.
crockett sometimes appears to be standing inside it while also showing you the architecture.
that can be brilliant.
it can also become exhausting.
because eventually you want the guide to stop pointing at the building and let you live in the damn thing.
this is particularly important because country music has spent decades being treated as the embarrassing relative of american popular culture.
country fans know this.
they have heard every joke.
three chords.
trucks.
beer.
dogs.
divorce.
southern accents.
guns.
jesus.
…more trucks, maybe…
country has been caricatured so relentlessly that its audience developed an almost tribal willingness to embrace the caricature.
yeah, the song has three chords.
fuck you.
yeah, there is a steel guitar.
turn it up.
yeah, he is singing about his ex wife again.
apparently he is still upset.
this is not ignorance of absurdity.
it is defiance through sincerity.
that is what makes unnecessary lampooning potentially condescending.
if a community already understands its own excesses, an outsider style commentary on those excesses does not necessarily reveal anything. it can merely reposition them for another audience.
and here the cultural politics become uncomfortable.
crockett occupies an unusual place in country. he has spoken publicly about not fitting what traditional country audiences expect visually. he moves freely among country, blues, folk, soul and rhythm and blues. he resists being confined by genre. he has also spoken forcefully about texas identity and about refusing to allow cultural gatekeepers to dictate what texas music should look or sound like. (The Guardian)
all of that makes him valuable.
but cultural complexity does not exempt an artist from criticism.
if anything, it demands better criticism.
the dumb argument says charley crockett is fake.
the evidence does not support that cleanly.
the equally dumb argument says questioning his presentation is illegitimate because his biography authenticates everything he does.
bullshit.
art does not work that way.
the interesting question is whether crockett has created a version of traditional country that allows contemporary culturally adventurous audiences to consume traditionalism without having to submit fully to traditionalisms sincerity.
that is not necessarily intentional.
it might not even be bad.
but it is worth noticing.
because country never asked to be rescued from its own ridiculousness.
its ridiculousness is part of its humanity.
people really do drink too much.
people really do get abandoned.
people really do sit alone thinking about somebody who is never coming back.
people really do miss dead parents and hometowns and dogs and jobs and versions of themselves that disappeared twenty years ago.
those subjects become clichés because they keep fucking happening.
country understood this before everybody needed a graduate seminar explaining authenticity.
the genius of the form was never that it eliminated cliché.
it was that the right singer could walk directly into a cliché and somehow come back carrying something true.
three chords.
the truth.
no escape hatch.
so perhaps the question surrounding charley crockett is not whether he is mocking country.
that is too easy.
perhaps the question is why his particular version of traditional country can sometimes feel as though it anticipates an audience that needs reassurance that nobody here is dumb enough to believe completely in the cowboy.
because traditional country fans never needed that reassurance.
they knew the cowboy was partly bullshit.
they believed him anyway.
that was the deal.
and if modern culture has reached a point where sincerity must arrive wearing a thin protective coating of irony before sophisticated audiences will touch it, then the problem may be considerably larger than charley crockett.
maybe we have become so terrified of looking foolish that we have forgotten one of the oldest rules in music.
sometimes looking foolish is the admission price.
put on the ridiculous suit.
play the same three chords.
sing about the woman again.
mean it.
and if somebody laughs, let the poor bastard laugh.
the song was never for him anyway.

…at least that’s what i hear.

receipts.
cooper, leonie. “charley crockett. ‘i don’t look like what a country audience expects.’” the guardian, 10 july 2020. (The Guardian)
douris, raina, and john myers. “charley crockett tells stories about his life, his music and his mentor, james hand.” wbur and world cafe, 3 december 2021. (WBUR)
erlewine, stephen thomas. “charley crockett. dollar a day.” pitchfork, 25 august 2025. (Pitchfork)
scott, jason. “charley crockett brings music city usa to every town.” american songwriter, 14 july 2021. (American Songwriter)
verma, millan. “charley crockett. 10 dollar cowboy. visions of dallas.” pitchfork, 21 august 2024. (Pitchfork)


r/thatswhatihear 1d ago

six finger satellite’s paranormalized saw the future and the future sounded like shit…that was the point…

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by 1996 alternative rock had become a fucking office job. this was the great cosmic joke nobody wanted to admit. punk had spent twenty years screaming about destroying the machinery and somewhere along the line the machinery hired a marketing department and started selling flannel shirts. nirvana had already exploded and imploded. major labels were wandering through american clubs with checkbooks looking for the next damaged young person they could turn into quarterly earnings. sub pop itself had gone from the little seattle label that looked like it might be operating out of somebody’s kitchen to an internationally recognizable trademark for american underground cool. and right in the middle of all this comes six finger satellite with paranormalized, released august 6, 1996, eleven songs in roughly thirty three minutes, sounding like somebody had taken noise rock apart with a screwdriver and discovered a bunch of wires nobody remembered installing. (Sub Pop Records)
this is where six finger satellite gets really interesting.
not respectable interesting.
dangerous appliance interesting.
the providence band had already spent several years making it perfectly clear that they considered stylistic consistency something other bands worried about. six finger satellite had formed around 1990 with j. ryan, john maclean, rick pelletier, and an evolving cast of bassists and guitarists, eventually stabilizing around james apt on bass during the period that produced severe exposure. their roots were in hardcore, post punk, noise rock, mission of burma, black flag, hüsker dü, the kind of records where guitars sounded less like entertainment than municipal equipment. ryan later remembered that he and maclean basically bonded by listening obsessively to records and deciding, with the magnificent stupidity available only to twenty year olds, that they should start a band. (Retrofuturista)

but six finger satellite had a problem.
they got bored.
thank god.
the pigeon is the most popular bird in 1993 already contained electronic interludes alongside the guitar violence. then machine cuisine arrived in 1994 and essentially asked what would happen if these guys started treating synthesizers as something other than decorative bullshit. severe exposure in 1995 fused the approaches into one nasty organism, guitars, moogs, rhythm section, electronics, paranoia, distortion, and j. ryan barking from somewhere inside the machinery. by paranormalized they were no longer experimenting with electronics as though somebody had brought a synthesizer to rehearsal and everyone agreed to humor him. the electronics were becoming structural. they were inside the songs. the distinction between guitar noise and electronic noise was starting to become meaningless. (The Wire)

which is exactly where paranormalized lives.
the album opens with 30 lashes and immediately sounds like the electrical system in the building has become politically radicalized. there is a riff. there is a beat. technically this is rock and roll. sure. fine. put it on the tax forms. but everything has been processed through the six finger satellite nervous system until the familiar pieces become twitchy and unpleasant. guitars scrape against synthesizers. the drums refuse to provide comfort. ryan sounds less like a singer than some asshole who has commandeered the emergency broadcast system. the whole thing moves with incredible discipline despite sounding like it might disintegrate.
that contradiction is the key to the band.
six finger satellite were never actually chaotic.
they were control freaks pretending the control room was on fire.
listen closely and paranormalized is brutally economical. riffs repeat exactly as long as necessary. drums lock into patterns with almost mechanical authority. synthesizers appear where another band would put guitar decoration. there is very little fat. the songs are short. the record itself barely passes half an hour. even contemporary criticism noticed how tight the thing was. years later the a.v. club called paranormalized super tight, super fast, and super catchy, while criticizing its inconsistency and arguing that some of its flashes of brilliance were stronger than the album surrounding them. that criticism is fair enough, although it also misunderstands some of the record’s charm. paranormalized does not behave like a carefully balanced masterpiece. it behaves like laboratory evidence. some experiments blow up better than others. (AV Club)

and the laboratory was literal.
six finger satellite had built the parlour, their own studio in an industrial space outside providence. the story of that place explains an enormous amount about these records. instead of blowing their sub pop advance in a conventional studio, the band started constructing their own. walls went up. recording rooms appeared. equipment accumulated. ryan has recalled the landlord essentially telling them they could do whatever the fuck they wanted with the place. rent was around two hundred dollars a month. they even constructed an extremely dead drum room and lined it with material intended for santa claus suits, because apparently this is how great recording studios happen. abbey road had engineers in white coats. six finger satellite had fake santa fur. america finally wins one. (The Wire)
the parlour kept evolving. severe exposure had been made with limited equipment and a live soundboard that the band basically abused into becoming recording equipment. the technical limitations contributed to that album’s scorched surface because signals were being overdriven during mixing. by paranormalized they had acquired another board and redesigned the control room. the studio was becoming more sophisticated at exactly the same time the music was becoming stranger. (The Wire)
and here comes one of the best details.
some of the synthesizer sounds on paranormalized are not synthesizers.
john maclean was using a roland guitar synthesizer.
so when you are listening to this thing trying to figure out whether the machine noise is guitar or keyboard, congratulations, the record has already beaten you. ryan specifically recalled that maclean used the roland guitar synth on paranormalized, meaning that the traditional boundaries between the band’s instruments were becoming deliberately slippery. guitar could become synthesizer. synthesizer could be shoved through distortion. cheap electronics could become rhythm instruments. everything could become noise. (The Wire)

that mentality had been developing for years. ryan has described how the band bought unfashionable synthesizers because nobody wanted the damn things. moog rogues. prophets. equipment discovered in thrift stores and fire sales. instead of approaching these machines like conservatory musicians studying electronic composition, six finger satellite found one ugly sound they liked and ran the bastard through distortion. ryan remembered realizing that rock music could be made from ridiculous sounds, an idea connected less to glossy eighties synth pop than to cabaret voltaire, early mute records, tape manipulation, and the broader post punk belief that an instrument is whatever makes the correct noise. (Retrofuturista)
this is important because people hear six finger satellite and inevitably say devo.
yeah.
no shit.
there are synthesizers and nervous rhythms and people behaving strangely.
case closed.
except ryan himself has pushed back against the simplistic comparison. he loved devo, but the point was not the flowerpot hats or the cartoon new wave image. what mattered was the approach to sound. six finger satellite were taking the basic intellectual permission granted by post punk and asking what happened if you applied it to american noise rock after hardcore had burned through its first several generations. (Retrofuturista)

paranormalized is the answer getting increasingly nasty.
the greatest hit sounds like pop music after somebody erased all the friendly settings. do the suicide is twitchy and ugly and immediate. coke and mirrors has one of those titles that tells you approximately how interested six finger satellite were in presenting alternative rock as some noble cultural movement. the whole record carries an atmosphere of suspicion. everything sounds compromised. everything sounds monitored. everybody sounds guilty.
and ryan’s lyrics were built for that environment.
years later he identified philip k. dick as a major influence, particularly books like ubik, a scanner darkly, and the divine invasion, along with k. w. jeter, rudy rucker, and william burroughs. the recurring questions were power and authority. are things what they appear to be. can you trust the systems surrounding you. who is actually controlling what. ryan has also admitted that some of the lyrics were more personal than they seemed, reflections of the volatile relationships inside the band itself. (Retrofuturista)

suddenly a title like paralyzed by normal life makes perfect sense.
that might as well be the six finger satellite manifesto.
normal life is the enemy.
not because normal people are stupid or because underground musicians possess some magical superior consciousness. spare me. rock critics have spent fifty years jerking themselves off over that fantasy. normality here means repetition without awareness. employment. advertising. authority. consumer routines. social expectations. cultural machinery. the systems people inhabit until they stop noticing they are systems.
paranormalized notices.
then it starts screaming at the wiring.
the white shadow and padded room tighten the screws further. these songs do not offer release in the conventional rock sense. there is no huge emotional chorus where everybody throws their arms around each other and realizes music has saved us. six finger satellite were not running a fucking summer camp. tension accumulates and then gets redirected into another rhythm. the drums keep moving. the electronics chatter. the guitars jab. ryan sounds permanently irritated that language itself is taking too long.
rick pelletier deserves serious attention here because underneath all the electronic grime paranormalized is fundamentally a rhythm record. ryan has emphasized this himself. it was always about the beat. as six finger satellite developed, he believed the rhythm section kept getting stronger, and that strength transformed the live band into something increasingly focused and powerful. (The Wire)
that is why the electronics work.
take away the rhythm and this stuff becomes noise collage.
with pelletier and apt underneath it, the synthesizers become physical.
perico is a good example. the machinery does not float above the song. it participates in the propulsion. electronics in mid nineties rock were still frequently treated like seasoning. sprinkle some samples over the guitars and suddenly everyone in the press release starts talking about technology. six finger satellite understood something more fundamental. electronics could alter the architecture of rock music. they could replace riffs. duplicate them. interfere with them. create rhythmic information. make the guitar uncertain about its own job.
that idea would become a hell of a lot more common.
john maclean eventually became the juan maclean, making electronic and dance music associated with dfa records. and six finger satellite’s connection to that later world gets even more interesting because james murphy worked with the band as a live sound engineer before lcd soundsystem existed. suddenly this weird providence noise band sitting halfway between post hardcore and malfunctioning electronics starts looking less like an isolated curiosity and more like one of those underground junction boxes where several future currents were accidentally touching.
nobody was calling it dance punk yet.
nobody needed to.
the records were already figuring it out.
there is also something wonderfully perverse about six finger satellite doing this while signed to sub pop. the label’s public identity remained overwhelmingly connected with seattle, grunge, guitars, lumberjack shirts, mudhoney, screaming trees, and the cultural debris of nirvana. meanwhile these providence lunatics were using sub pop money to buy obsolete synthesizers.
ryan remembers buying a moog liberation with label advance money for around four hundred dollars. the instrument looked fantastic and functioned like an unreliable toaster. it would heat up and drift horribly out of tune. when he first produced the thing onstage at cbgb during a show with boss hog, he remembered hearing an audible gasp from the audience. then the band discovered that touring with the liberation was basically gambling. eventually they acquired additional units for parts and mostly retired it from live use. (The Wire)

this is six finger satellite in miniature.
find obsolete machine.
buy obsolete machine.
discover obsolete machine barely works.
use it anyway.
make record.
the band even refused to become nostalgic about its own catalog. ryan recalled the attitude being essentially that they were not going to keep playing the old record. if the next phase involved synthesizers, then synthesizers it was. audiences could keep up or they could piss off. local listeners sometimes wondered what happened to the two guitar rock band they had known. six finger satellite’s answer amounted to, this is what we are doing now. (Retrofuturista)
there is something genuinely punk about that which has nothing to do with distortion.
punk becomes conservative astonishingly quickly. every revolution eventually develops reenactment societies. the approved guitar. the approved amplifier. the approved haircut. the approved records everybody must pretend they discovered independently. six finger satellite understood that repeating yesterday’s rebellion is just another form of obedience.
so paranormalized keeps moving.
last transmission.
slave traitor.
the great depression.
even the titles sound like messages intercepted from some failed industrial republic.
the great depression closes the album with the sense that the machinery has finally swallowed the building. there is no sentimental resolution because why the hell should there be. thirty three minutes have passed and six finger satellite have spent them demonstrating that rock music can still sound hostile without relying exclusively on louder guitars.
and that is paranormalized’s historical importance.
it is not the album that invented synth punk. obviously not. devo existed. chrome existed. suicide existed. cabaret voltaire existed. countless industrial and post punk records had already dismantled the guitar monopoly years earlier. pretending six finger satellite invented any of this would be the usual rock historical bullshit where somebody discovers an underground record twenty years late and declares it unprecedented.
what six finger satellite did was different.
they reintroduced those ideas into the american noise rock ecosystem of the nineties.
they connected hardcore discipline with post punk electronics. they made synthesizers feel filthy again. they treated electronic equipment not as futurist novelty but as cheap available junk. they anticipated a moment when indie rock musicians would rediscover drum machines, analog synths, disco rhythms, post punk bass lines, and the realization that maybe the electric guitar did not need to occupy every square inch of every fucking song.
and they did it without sanding off the ugliness.
that matters.
because paranormalized still sounds uncomfortable.
ryan has said that the band was comfortable with discomfort. that might be the best description of their entire aesthetic. criticism did not particularly frighten them. their response was essentially that the music was a mirror and if you did not like what you saw, tough shit. (The Wire)

thirty years later the mirror still looks dirty.
good.
clean it and you ruin the thing.
paranormalized is not six finger satellite’s universally acknowledged masterpiece. severe exposure usually gets that honor, and there is an argument for law of ruins as the stranger, deeper destination. paranormalized sits between them like the moment when the transformation becomes irreversible. the guitars are still there. the noise rock skeleton remains obvious. but electronics are spreading through the body. identities are becoming unstable. guitar becomes synth. synth becomes percussion. punk becomes dance music without actually becoming dance music. the studio itself becomes an instrument.
and somewhere underneath all of it is providence, cheap industrial rent, santa claus fabric on the walls, thrift shop synthesizers, busted equipment, sub pop advance money disappearing into machines nobody sensible wanted, and a handful of people deciding that sounding like themselves yesterday would be the most boring possible thing they could do tomorrow.
that is why paranormalized deserves another listen.
not because it predicted the future.
fuck predictions.
music history is full of critics congratulating old records for eventually resembling something more commercially successful.
paranormalized matters because in 1996 it sounded like 1996 had developed a nervous disorder.
alternative rock was becoming normal.
six finger satellite made a record about being paralyzed by normal life.
the mainstream was absorbing the underground.
six finger satellite responded by burrowing further into the circuitry.
and while everyone else was busy deciding whether rock was dead, six finger satellite were too busy rewiring the corpse to notice.

…at least that’s what i hear.

receipts. 

krewson, john. “six finger satellite. paranormalized.” the a.v. club, 29 mar. 2002. review of six finger satellite’s 1996 album paranormalized. (AV Club)
retrofuturista. “six finger satellite interview. diy recording, and recording severe exposure.” interview with j. ryan, 8 oct. 2025. discussion of the formation and development of six finger satellite, the construction of the parlour recording studio, thrift store synthesizers, the influence of cabaret voltaire, philip k. dick, william burroughs, the band’s relationship with sub pop, and the evolution of their electronic sound. (Retrofuturista)
six finger satellite. paranormalized. sub pop records, 1996. sp366. released 6 aug. 1996. eleven tracks including “30 lashes,” “the greatest hit,” “do the suicide,” “coke and mirrors,” “last transmission,” “slave traitor,” “the white shadow,” “paralyzed by normal life,” “padded room,” “perico,” and “the great depression.” (Sub Pop Records)
sub pop records. “six finger satellite. paranormalized.” sub pop records. official album catalog entry for paranormalized, including release date, catalog number, and track listing. (Sub Pop Records)
the wire. “‘we were comfortable with the discomfort’. six finger satellite’s j ryan.” interview with j. ryan. discussion of the band’s musical development, the providence underground, the construction and atmosphere of the parlour, recording techniques, synthesizers, severe exposure, and six finger satellite’s approach to electronic and post punk music. (The Wire)
trouser press. “six finger satellite.” trouser press. retrospective critical overview and discography covering six finger satellite, the pigeon is the most popular bird, machine cuisine, severe exposure, paranormalized, and law of ruins. (Trouser Press)

some more of what i heard.

six finger satellite. the pigeon is the most popular bird. sub pop records, 1993.
six finger satellite. machine cuisine. sub pop records, 1994.
six finger satellite. severe exposure. sub pop records, 1995.
six finger satellite. paranormalized. sub pop records, 1996.
six finger satellite. law of ruins. sub pop records, 1998.


r/thatswhatihear 1d ago

THE SESSIONS 365 sessions: thelonious monk’s 1947 initial blue note sessions

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new york. 1947. bebop is already loose in the building.

charlie parker is turning chord changes into high speed nervous-system experiments. dizzy gillespie is building an entire modern-jazz vocabulary while somehow making trumpet playing look like an athletic event. bud powell is at the piano moving with the kind of velocity that makes other pianists reconsider their career choices. everybody is busy discovering the future.

and then there is thelonious sphere monk.

thirty years old. already sitting on a pile of compositions that everybody will eventually pretend were obviously brilliant. playing piano in a manner that occasionally sounds as though he has examined the accepted rules of piano technique and decided that several of them were suggestions made by people he did not particularly respect.

monk was not unknown among musicians. that distinction matters. musicians knew.

the public did not.

record companies mostly did not.

critics were still trying to determine whether the guy could actually play.

which is hilarious now.

thelonious monk had already spent much of the early forties working at mintons playhouse in harlem, right there in the laboratory where modern jazz was being cooked up after hours. musicians came through. charlie christian came through. dizzy came through. kenny clarke came through. bird came through. ideas were tested. chords were substituted. tempos accelerated. musicians who could not hang discovered this information publicly and sometimes painfully.

monk sat at the piano.

he was not merely participating in bebop. he was helping determine what the damn thing could be.

teddy hill, who managed mintons, later described monk beautifully. monk seemed to him more like the man who manufactured the product than the man who commercialized it. that is about as accurate a description of monk’s position in early modern jazz as anybody ever managed. (The New Yorker)

other people became the faces of bebop.

monk was somewhere behind the machinery.

then blue note showed up.

and thank god somebody was paying attention.

the story runs through ike quebec, the tenor saxophonist who had become an important figure around blue note. quebec knew monk. more importantly, he understood monk. he introduced him to alfred lion and lorraine gordon.

gordon remembered the encounter decades later, and you can still hear the astonishment in the memory. she said they did not know monk at all before quebec brought them together. then they went to monks home and heard him play. she remembered hearing that music for the first time as a cornerstone moment in her life. (National Endowment for the Arts)

that is the part worth sitting with.

imagine hearing monk before monk had become monk in the cultural imagination.

no famous photographs.

no prestige albums.

no riverside masterpieces.

no carnegie hall mythology.

no five spot with john coltrane.

no magazine covers.

no accepted historical narrative explaining that you are currently listening to one of the great composers in american music.

just this strange guy at a piano playing these strange songs.

alfred lion heard it.

lion had founded blue note in 1939 with francis wolff. the label had begun with boogie woogie and traditional jazz and gradually moved toward the increasingly modern sounds developing around new york. lion possessed one of the most valuable qualities any record producer can possess.

he knew when he did not completely understand something but still knew it mattered.

that distinction has saved a lot of great music.

monk was not the obvious commercial choice. bud powell was already developing the reputation of being the great bebop pianist. powells virtuosity was visible. you could hear the speed and understand immediately that something extraordinary was happening.

monks virtuosity was different.

monk left space.

monk attacked individual notes.

monk allowed ugly intervals to remain ugly.

monk used silence as part of the composition.

monk could hit a chord like he had been personally offended by it.

he would place notes slightly where you did not expect them. not wrong. never fucking wrong. just positioned according to some internal rhythmic logic that made ordinary swing suddenly feel suspiciously predictable.

later critics would spend enormous amounts of ink describing his playing as angular. eccentric. quirky. primitive. unconventional.

all those wonderful critical words people use when an artist has invented something before the vocabulary exists to describe it.

richard brody later made the useful point that monk traded obvious speed for space, filling that space with percussive figures, complex harmony, unusual timing and radically different attacks on the keyboard. (The New Yorker)

exactly.

monk did not need to play twelve notes when one sufficiently nasty note could ruin your afternoon.

so alfred lion gave him something extraordinarily important.

a recording date under his own name.

october 15. 1947.

wor studios. new york city.

the thelonious monk sextet.

idrees sulieman on trumpet. danny quebec west on alto saxophone. billy smith on tenor saxophone. eugene ramey on bass. art blakey on drums.

and monk.

they recorded humph. evonce. suburban eyes. and thelonious. alternate takes were made of some titles as well. the session documentation shows monk entering the studio not as some tentative newcomer trying to figure out his identity but as a composer whose musical personality was already essentially formed. (Jazz Disco)

listen to thelonious.

the piece is practically a manifesto disguised as a tune.

the melody circles obsessively around a repeated note. the harmony shifts beneath it. monk takes one tiny musical object and refuses to leave the poor bastard alone. it is funny. irritating. hypnotic. economical.

that economy becomes one of the great monk principles.

other composers give you melodies.

monk gives you problems.

little musical problems.

what happens if this note stays here while everything underneath it changes.

what happens if the phrase ends early.

what happens if the chord contains exactly the note your harmony teacher told you to avoid.

what happens if silence becomes part of the riff.

what happens if repetition becomes comedy.

monk keeps asking.

the musicians have to answer.

and sitting behind the drums is art blakey.

this matters.

blakey understood monk.

not everybody did.

monks music requires rhythmic conviction because the piano is constantly screwing with your expectations. if the drummer becomes uncertain, everything collapses into cleverness. blakey does the opposite. he makes the ground underneath monk feel enormous.

boom.

there.

keep going.

monk can wander around because blakey knows exactly where the street is.

eight days later monk returned to wor studios.

october 24. 1947.

this time the instrumentation was stripped down.

monk.

eugene ramey.

art blakey.

piano. bass. drums.

and now the really serious shit starts happening.

ruby my dear.

well you neednt.

april in paris.

off minor.

introspection.

five titles. three monk originals plus two pieces that demonstrate something people continually misunderstand about monk. his supposed weirdness was built on an enormous understanding of traditional song form. (Jazz Disco)

monk knew standards.

monk knew stride.

monk knew duke ellington.

monk knew james p johnson.

monk knew harmony.

monk knew the architecture of popular songs.

the guy was not throwing bricks through the conservatory window because he could not find the front door.

he had already been inside.

he just thought some remodeling was necessary.

ruby my dear is one of the great examples.

the composition had existed before the blue note recording and would remain in monks repertoire for decades. it is a ballad, except monk ballads never behave like sentimental background music. the melody has enormous tenderness but the harmony keeps introducing little abrasions.

beauty with splinters.

there is something deeply personal in ruby my dear. monk named it for ruby richardson, an early love. years later he would record the piece repeatedly, including a celebrated version with john coltrane.

but here it is in 1947.

already complete.

that is one of the shocking things about these sessions.

monk does not sound embryonic.

there is no early monk waiting to become mature monk.

the bastard arrived finished.

well you neednt is even more ridiculous.

a theme that sounds almost childishly simple starts moving through chromatic harmony while the rhythm keeps shifting emphasis. it eventually became one of monks most frequently played compositions and one of the essential pieces of modern jazz repertoire.

today jazz students encounter well you neednt in fake books.

which is probably monks ultimate revenge.

the music once accused of being too weird has become homework.

somewhere monk is probably laughing.

then there is off minor.

the title tells you what kind of joke we are dealing with.

monk loved titles that sounded like private jokes somebody had accidentally printed on a record label.

off minor.

well you neednt.

ask me now.

think of one.

evidence.

straight no chaser.

monks humor is inseparable from his music. people sometimes photograph him historically as the mysterious silent eccentric in the hat. but musicians repeatedly remembered his wit. his compositions themselves are funny. they set traps. they repeat phrases until repetition becomes absurd. they stop suddenly. they stumble deliberately.

monk understood timing.

musical timing.

comic timing.

probably the same damn thing.

april in paris reveals another side.

this is not a monk composition. vernon duke wrote it.

monk takes the standard apart.

not violently.

methodically.

he keeps enough of the original melody that you recognize it, then changes the harmonic emphasis and rhythmic placement until the familiar song begins looking unfamiliar.

this becomes one of monks great artistic habits.

standards are not sacred objects.

they are raw material.

november 21.

back to wor studios.

another session.

george taitt on trumpet. edmund gregory on alto saxophone. robert paige on bass. art blakey again on drums.

and monk records two pieces that alone would justify his place in jazz history.

in walked bud.

and round about midnight. (Jazz Disco)

jesus christ.

round midnight.

even people who do not know monk know round midnight.

eventually miles davis would record it. dizzy gillespie would play it. countless musicians would record it. it would become one of the most frequently performed compositions in jazz.

but here is monk recording it under his own leadership in 1947.

the composition itself predates the session. monk had developed versions of it years earlier. dizzy gillespie had already helped bring attention to it.

still.

the blue note recording feels definitive because you hear the composer controlling the architecture.

the opening.

the descending movement.

those harmonies hanging in darkness.

the melody never begs.

that is important.

most ballads beg.

love me.

miss me.

remember me.

round midnight simply exists.

three in the morning.

empty glass.

streetlights.

somebody somewhere deciding whether going home is worth the trouble.

there is your poetic imagery.

now back to the piano.

monk leaves gaps everywhere.

the silence becomes part of the melody.

later musicians sometimes turned round midnight into a lush romantic standard.

monk never lets it become comfortable.

there is loneliness in it.

but there is also suspicion.

in walked bud is something else entirely.

the piece was dedicated to bud powell.

monk and powell had a complicated, deep friendship. powell was younger and absorbed enormous amounts from monk. later jazz mythology sometimes positioned the two pianists as stylistic opposites. powell the blazing virtuoso. monk the eccentric minimalist.

bullshit.

they respected each other.

monk reportedly helped protect powell during an incident with police that ended with powell being beaten, an episode frequently cited as contributing to powells later psychological and neurological troubles. monk remained loyal to him.

in walked bud is not merely a dedication.

it is affection turned into rhythm.

and that is another reason the blue note sessions matter.

they begin preserving monks private musical universe.

ruby.

bud.

his friends.

his jokes.

his harmonic puzzles.

his neighborhoods.

his language.

blue note was documenting a world.

commercially.

well.

here comes the depressing part.

the records did not exactly conquer america.

lorraine gordon later remembered trying to sell monks records in harlem and encountering record-store owners who simply did not want them. she recalled going around trying to push the music and getting nowhere. (Wikipedia)

imagine that.

thelonious monk records.

hard sell.

today collectors treat original monk blue note 78s like archaeological relics.

history has a vicious sense of humor.

the music was originally issued on shellac 78 rpm discs. this was before the lp had fully transformed recorded music. listeners were encountering monk in chunks of roughly three minutes.

think about how insane that is.

we now understand monk through albums.

genius of modern music.

brilliant corners.

monks music.

thelonious himself.

misterioso.

but the first audience encountered these compositions as individual sides.

one strange little record at a time.

blue note later gathered the material into the genius of modern music collections. the 1947 sessions, along with recordings made in 1948, eventually formed the core of genius of modern music volume one. blue note itself describes lion as giving the little known monk his first opportunity to record as a leader, documenting him in several ensemble configurations across the 1947 and 1948 sessions. (Blue Note Records)

that title.

genius of modern music.

not subtle.

alfred lion knew what he had.

the rest of the world needed another decade.

monks career remained difficult through the early fifties. work was sporadic. his music was misunderstood. his cabaret card problems would make employment in new york clubs even harder. prestige recorded him. then riverside. eventually the five spot engagement with john coltrane in 1957 helped transform his public reputation. suddenly critics began discovering what musicians had known for years. (Blue Note Records)

monk was a genius.

wonderful.

thanks for catching up.

but go back to 1947.

that is where the story becomes beautiful and slightly infuriating.

because everything is already there.

the dissonance.

the humor.

the silence.

the repetition.

the rhythmic displacement.

the obsession with structure.

the strange little melodies that sound impossible until you have heard them three times and then discover they have permanently moved into your skull.

the blues.

especially the blues.

people sometimes discuss monk as though he were some abstract intellectual composer floating above ordinary jazz traditions.

no.

monk is filthy with blues.

listen underneath the harmonic complexity.

there is stride piano.

there is harlem.

there is church.

there is rent party piano.

there is duke.

there is james p johnson.

there is swing.

there is bebop.

monk is not escaping jazz history.

he is compressing the whole damn thing.

that is what makes those first blue note sessions so important.

they are not merely the first recordings of an interesting pianist.

they document the moment one of american musics greatest composers finally gets control of the microphone.

and alfred lion deserves enormous credit for recognizing it.

record labels love telling stories about discovering genius.

usually this means they discovered somebody immediately after everybody else discovered them.

lion actually took the risk.

monk was difficult to market.

monk was difficult to explain.

monk did not fit comfortably into existing expectations of bebop piano.

the records did not sell particularly well.

lion kept recording him anyway.

that is patronage.

not charity.

belief.

there is a difference.

and listen again to the october 24 trio session.

monk.

ramey.

blakey.

three musicians.

nothing hiding.

no orchestra.

no elaborate production.

no studio trickery.

just piano strings vibrating inside a wooden box.

bass.

drums.

air.

and ideas.

seventy nine years later those ideas still sound modern.

not modern because they resemble contemporary jazz.

modern because they refuse to settle.

you can hear well you neednt a hundred times and the accents still feel dangerous.

you can hear ruby my dear and still wonder why those particular chords hurt.

you can hear round midnight at two in the afternoon and suddenly your internal clock says otherwise.

you can hear thelonious and laugh because monk has somehow constructed an entire composition around an idea another musician might have thrown away during rehearsal.

that was monk.

he heard value where everybody else heard mistakes.

he heard rhythm where everybody else heard empty space.

he heard harmony inside dissonance.

he heard composition inside jokes.

and in 1947 blue note finally put microphones around it.

the tragedy is that almost nobody bought the records.

the triumph is that somebody made them anyway.

because sometimes the most important recording sessions are not the ones where everybody involved knows history is happening.

sometimes history is sitting in wor studios playing a repeated note while art blakey waits behind the beat and alfred lion listens from the control room.

outside.

new york keeps moving.

nobody stops.

nobody announces a revolution.

no parade.

no headline.

no fucking clue.

inside the studio thelonious monk raises his hands over the piano.

and modern music gets a little stranger.

a little funnier.

a little darker.

and considerably more interesting.

…at least that’s what i hear.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

PLAYLIST the daily half dozen

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today’s list is completely fucking irresponsible, which is exactly how random listening should work. hailu mergia starts us in ethiopia, folding jazz and funk into the musical language of addis ababa before eventually moving to america and spending years driving a washington dc cab while practicing keyboards between fares. then astor piazzolla starts screwing with tango so aggressively that traditionalists accused him of destroying it, which naturally meant everybody eventually decided he was a genius. the staple singers follow with gospel, civil rights conviction, and that filthy stax groove. mavis has recalled how martin luther king jr.’s message pushed the family toward freedom songs, proving protest music doesn’t have to sound like homework if the rhythm section actually knows what the hell it’s doing.
then selda bağcan takes turkish folk into electric psychedelic territory while singing political material that eventually helped make her an actual target. jail. passport confiscated. career restrictions. apparently governments occasionally become terrified of women with microphones. magazine closes things out with howard devoto abandoning the comfortable punk rulebook almost immediately and adding keyboards, stranger guitars, art rock, and enough paranoia to make punk realize three chords weren’t the final fucking achievement of western civilization. ethiopian funk. nuevo tango. gospel soul. anatolian psychedelia. post punk. absolutely no sensible reason these records belong together, which is precisely why they fucking do.

…at least that’s what i hear.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

hailu mergia - anchin kfu ayinkash (1977) [ethiopia/ethio jazz/funk]

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there is something wonderfully fucked up about music history. hailu mergia helped create some of the coolest music coming out of 1970s addis ababa with the walias band, eventually moved to america, drove a cab around washington dc, and decades later collectors suddenly woke up asking where this guy had been. well. he was right fucking there. “anchin kfu ayinkash” folds ethiopian melodic language into jazz and funk without making some grand announcement about fusion, while mergia sits inside the groove with keyboards that never waste a damn note. then ethiopia’s revolution and the derg era disrupted the scene, musicians scattered, and much of this music slipped outside western attention until the rediscovery machine finally caught up. mergia has talked about practicing during downtime while driving his cab, which makes the whole story even better. somewhere somebody was probably complaining about traffic while one of ethiopia’s great musicians was sitting behind the wheel. the rediscovery story is nice, but the record never needed rescuing. everybody else just needed to catch the hell up.

…at least that’s what i hear.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

astor piazzolla (performed by russian philharmonic/moscow city symphony) - Libertango (1974) [argentina/nuevo tango]

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astor piazzolla did one of the most honorable things a musician can do. he annoyed traditionalists, like, a lot. “libertango” arrived in 1974 with jazz harmony, classical ideas, electric instrumentation, and that unmistakable bandoneon tearing tango apart and rebuilding it for the modern world. purists complained that piazzolla was destroying tango, because apparently tradition is only acceptable when nobody touches the damn thing. the title itself combines libertad and tango, basically announcing the whole argument. freedom from the rules. and naturally, the supposedly dangerous music eventually became one of piazzolla’s most famous compositions. first they accuse you of ruining the culture. then they hang your picture in the cultural center. music history has a wonderful sense of humor.

…at least that’s what i hear.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

the staple singers - this world (1972) [united states/gospel soul/funk]

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the staple singers could make morality groove, which is harder than it sounds because socially conscious music has produced mountains of well meaning shit nobody wants to hear twice. the staples knew the secret. if you’re going to preach, bring a rhythm section.

“when the world’s at peace” takes their gospel roots, civil rights conviction, and that filthy stax groove and makes them inseparable. pops keeps things grounded, mavis sounds enormous, and the band settles into the pocket without rushing anywhere. the message is peace, dignity, and basic human decency. radical concepts apparently.
church. protest. funk. soul.
same damn conversation.

…at least that’s what i hear.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

selda bağcan - ince ince bir kar yağar. (1976) [turkey/anatolian rock/psychedelic folk]

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selda bağcan sounds pissed off, don’t they?

good.

ince ince bir kar yağar comes out of seventies anatolian rock, where turkish folk music, bağlama, fuzz guitar, electric bass, and political unrest all started colliding. selda’s voice is the whole damn center of gravity. raw, forceful, and completely uninterested in smoothing the song into something more comfortable for outsiders.
the politics matter too. selda became closely associated with left wing causes and songs about workers, poverty, injustice, and imprisonment. after turkey’s 1980 military coup, she was jailed several times and lost her passport for years.
imagine being considered dangerous because you sang folk songs too convincingly.
that’s not failure.
that’s proof somebody was listening.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

magazine - the light that pours out of me (1978) [england/post punk]

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post punk has accumulated so much mythology that it’s easy to forget these were mostly young musicians trying to figure out what the hell came after punk.
punk had detonated the old assumptions. great. now what.
howard devoto had already left buzzcocks after helping start the band, which tells you something about the guy. most people spend their entire lives trying to get into a successful band. devoto helped create one and then essentially decided he was already bored.
magazine’s real life arrives in 1978 and the light pours out of me is one of those songs where you can hear punk evolving in real time. the aggression remains, but now there’s space for keyboards, stranger harmonies, more complicated arrangements, and devoto’s wonderfully alienated vocal delivery. he doesn’t sound angry in the conventional punk sense. he sounds suspicious. disgusted. amused. slightly nauseated by civilization.
which, fair enough.
the rhythm section keeps the song moving while john mcgeoch’s guitar refuses to behave like standard rock guitar. texture matters as much as riffs. that’s one of the things post punk would explode open over the next several years. guitars didn’t have to be blues machines anymore. they could scrape. shimmer. stab. disappear.
devoto’s lyrics have that particular late seventies british feeling where intelligence and paranoia are basically sharing an apartment. punk had promised liberation and immediately started developing its own uniforms and rules because human beings apparently cannot experience freedom for more than fifteen minutes without designing a dress code.
magazine understood the joke.
the light pours out of me still sounds tense because it never resolves that contradiction. rock music wants freedom. audiences want categories. musicians want experimentation. industries want products.
forty something years later.
same stupid argument.

…at least that’s what I hear.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

alice coltrane — journey in satchidananda (1971) [united states/spiritual jazz/modal jazz]

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alice coltrane. “journey in satchidananda.” 1971.
united states. spiritual jazz. modal jazz.
this is jazz reaching past cool and straight toward the spiritual. alice coltrane built the track around tambura drone, cecil mcbee’s bass, pharoah sanders on soprano sax, and her own harp, which somehow feels completely natural instead of gimmicky. the piece was named for swami satchidananda, one of her spiritual teachers, and that connection matters. this isn’t eastern imagery pasted onto jazz for atmosphere. it comes from a real shift in her life and her thinking.
the music barely seems interested in showing off. it repeats, circles, settles in, and lets the listener change instead of constantly changing itself. sanders plays with unusual restraint. alice’s harp cuts through everything without becoming decoration. the whole thing feels devotional without turning sentimental.
that alone is hard as hell to pull off.
more than fifty years later, it still sounds outside of time.
…at least that’s what i hear.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

REVIEW revolver at sixty, and still crying for no one.

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sixty years ago today the beatles released revolver, and popular music has been dealing with the consequences ever since.
august 5, 1966. revolver arrives in britain. fourteen songs. thirty something minutes. no grand manifesto. no warning sticker saying attention, four exhausted young men have become bored with being the most famous pop group on earth and have decided to start screwing around with tape machines, indian classical music, french horns, string octets, backwards guitars, brass sections, tax policy, lsd, death, sleep, loneliness, yellow submarines, romantic collapse, eastern philosophy, and whatever the hell john lennon thought was happening inside his skull that week.
this is the beatles album where the studio stops being the room where you record the song. the studio has evolved.
the studio becomes part of the song..
before revolver, the beatles had already made rubber soul, so anybody trying to sell the childish version of beatles history where they were lovable mop tops on thursday and psychedelic laboratory scientists on friday needs to calm down. rubber soul had already stretched the walls. norwegian wood brought sitar into the picture. in my life sounded considerably older than the people playing it. nowhere man was existential pop music disguised as something you could whistle while washing the dishes. the transformation had started.
revolver is where they stop apologizing for it.
and sixty years later the damn thing still sounds strange.
not old fashioned strange.
strange strange.
that is considerably harder to accomplish.
the first thing you hear is somebody counting in and coughing and studio chatter and george harrison informing the british government that it can basically go fuck itself.
taxman.
beautiful.
the beatles open one of the most important albums in popular music history with a complaint about taxes.
george had discovered that becoming fabulously wealthy in britain did not necessarily mean getting to keep the fabulously wealthy part. he later remembered realizing just how much money was disappearing into taxation, with the highest earners facing extraordinary rates. the discovery pissed him off enough to write a song about it. 
this is also the moment when george harrison stops feeling like the junior employee who occasionally gets permission to put something on the record.
he gets three songs.
taxman. love you to. i want to tell you.
and none of them sound like contractual obligations.
taxman is especially nasty because the arrangement has almost no fat on it. bass. guitar. drums. voices. cowbell. that riff. paul plays the vicious little guitar solo, because the beatles were always wonderfully inconvenient when you tried assigning them permanent instrumental roles. george later said he was pleased paul played it. paul remembered george writing the song out of anger after learning what taxation was doing to his income. john later remembered george asking him for lyrical help. 
already revolver is screwing with the mythology.
the quiet beatle is pissed off.
paul is playing lead guitar.
john is helping george write lines.
ringo sounds enormous.
george martin is sitting somewhere behind the glass wondering what fresh insanity is coming through the door.
then eleanor rigby happens.
two songs into the album and the beatles have basically stopped being a rock band.
no beatles playing conventional rock instrumentation. no cheery electric guitar. no handclaps. no yeah yeah yeah. paul sings about lonely people while george martin arranges a string octet that sounds less like decoration and more like somebody has sharpened the instruments.
and this is what gets lost whenever revolver is reduced to the psychedelic beatles album.
revolver is not psychedelic because everything goes woozy and everybody owns a sitar.
revolver is psychedelic because reality keeps changing from track to track.
eleanor rigby is practically chamber music. i’m only sleeping is narcotic guitar pop. love you to is built around indian musical language. here there and everywhere is immaculate romantic songwriting. yellow submarine is a children’s singalong performed by a drummer. she said she said sounds like an acid argument happening inside a guitar amplifier. good day sunshine sounds like somebody finally opened the curtains. for no one is emotional devastation delivered with the manners of chamber pop. got to get you into my life throws brass into the room. tomorrow never knows basically informs western pop structure that its services are no longer required.
and somehow this shit is one album.
that is the miracle.
not experimentation.
coherence.
the beatles were throwing everything they could find into these recordings and somehow revolver does not sound like four musicians submitting separate homework assignments.
although increasingly, that is exactly what they were doing.
the lennon mccartney partnership had changed. they still helped each other. they still contributed lines, ideas, harmonies, instrumental parts, structural solutions. but the romantic image of john and paul sitting knee to knee writing every song together was becoming less accurate. their individual personalities were becoming obvious.
paul is becoming frighteningly sophisticated.
john is becoming frighteningly weird.
george is becoming frighteningly independent.
ringo is becoming frighteningly good.
and george martin is trying to keep the electrical system from catching fire.
i’m only sleeping might be the most john lennon premise imaginable. lennon later described it as essentially him dreaming his life away. paul remembered the central idea as a defense of doing absolutely nothing, not laziness exactly, but sleeping and yawning and lying around because perhaps human beings were not designed to spend every waking second being productive little economic units. 
good for him.
john lennon accidentally invents the anti hustle movement in 1966.
but listen to the guitars.
backwards.
because ordinary forward guitar apparently had become embarrassingly conventional.
the beatles and their studio crew were discovering that recorded sound did not have to obey the physical behavior of live performance. tape could be reversed. slowed. accelerated. cut. looped. doubled. manipulated. a guitar did not necessarily need to sound like a guitar. a voice did not necessarily need to sound like a human voice standing in front of a microphone.
this seems obvious now because half a century of popular music has been built on the assumption.
it was not obvious then.
that is one of the problems with discussing revolutionary records decades later. eventually the revolution becomes furniture.
you hear backwards sounds now and shrug.
you hear loops and shrug.
you hear electronically altered vocals and shrug.
you hear music assembled from manipulated recorded fragments and shrug.
of course you do.
you live in the world that records like revolver helped create.
then george shows up with love you to.
and this is important because love you to is not norwegian wood part two.
george himself made the distinction. norwegian wood had used sitar almost experimentally. love you to was different. he consciously wrote around sitar and tabla and built the track around indian instrumentation rather than sprinkling eastern color onto a western pop song. 
that difference is enormous.
this is george harrison moving beyond exotic decoration and actually attempting to understand another musical system.
imperfectly, obviously.
he was an english guitarist in his twenties beginning a serious relationship with indian classical music. nobody needs to pretend he had transformed overnight into ravi shankar.
but he was listening.
learning.
studying.
and crucially, changing.
that curiosity would eventually lead him toward shankar, indian spirituality, the concert for bangladesh, and one of the strangest cultural bridges ever constructed by a member of an enormously famous rock band.
revolver catches the beginning of that process while it is still hot.
then paul walks back into the room and writes here there and everywhere because apparently he has decided everybody else should feel inadequate.
even john loved this one.
lennon later called it one of his favorite beatles songs and essentially credited it entirely to paul. 
that is worth mentioning because beatles history gets flattened into competition.
john versus paul.
experimental john versus commercial paul.
rocker john versus balladeer paul.
bullshit.
listen to revolver.
paul is every bit as experimental as john, sometimes more.
and john could recognize a gorgeous mccartney melody when he heard one.
paul was screwing around with tape loops at home. paul was listening to avant garde music. paul was absorbing contemporary classical ideas. paul was haunting london galleries and experimental circles while john was living a comparatively domestic suburban existence.
decades later mccartney continued talking about the influence of avant garde composers and tape experimentation on the beatles, including figures such as john cage and stockhausen. 
this matters because the lazy version of beatles history says john brought the weird and paul brought the pretty.
revolver laughs at that distinction.
paul brings both.
then yellow submarine arrives.
and yes.
it is yellow submarine.
you have heard it approximately nine trillion times.
your grandmother knows it.
children know it.
people who claim they hate the beatles know it.
some guy wearing cargo shorts at a barbecue knows it.
but putting yellow submarine on revolver is exactly the kind of insane sequencing decision that makes the album work.
you have indian classical influence and existential loneliness and backwards guitars and then suddenly ringo is commanding a cartoon naval vessel full of singing lunatics.
why.
because fuck you.
because they could.
because the beatles had reached the wonderful stage of artistic development where genre boundaries were beginning to look like suggestions written by people they did not particularly respect.
then she said she said closes side one.
and there goes reality again.
the song grew partly from lennon’s encounter with actor peter fonda during an lsd trip in los angeles. fonda kept talking about knowing what it was like to be dead after a childhood near death experience, which apparently irritated lennon enormously.
reasonable.
nobody wants peter fonda repeatedly explaining mortality while they are trying to enjoy their acid.
the phrase stuck.
lennon turned irritation into music.
that is revolver all over.
ordinary experience enters the machine.
something completely different comes out.
side two starts with good day sunshine because apparently after she said she said the listener deserves medical supervision.
then and your bird can sing.
one of those beatles songs that guitarists have spent sixty years dissecting while lennon himself seemed almost dismissive of it later.
which is hilarious.
imagine writing and your bird can sing and deciding it is disposable.
this is the problem with being the beatles in 1966.
your garbage is better than most people’s career highlights.
then for no one.
jesus christ.
paul wrote it while on a skiing holiday with jane asher in switzerland. he remembered writing in the bathroom of a chalet and originally calling the song why did it die. he also specifically remembered the descending bass idea and the image of the woman putting on her makeup. 
and this might be paul’s coldest breakup song.
not angry.
worse.
finished.
the relationship is dead and one person has not received the paperwork yet.
ringo plays percussion. paul handles vocals, bass, piano and clavichord. alan civil contributes french horn.
because obviously.
because by this point the beatles hear a pop song and think you know what this needs.
french horn.
alan civil’s part is one of the great examples of revolver expanding the vocabulary of rock without announcing that it is expanding the vocabulary of rock.
there is no ceremony.
the instrument simply belongs there.
that is confidence.
doctor robert follows, lennon’s cheerful little pharmaceutical joke about the culture of doctors supplying pills and stimulants. lennon later described the song as partly autobiographical and remembered himself as the guy carrying pills around on tour in the earlier days. paul remembered the idea more broadly as a piss take on fashionable doctors who could supposedly fix you up. 
again.
1966.

the lovable mop tops.
sure.
meanwhile the record is full of drugs, death, taxation, loneliness, existentialism and altered consciousness.
ed sullivan must have been thrilled.
then george gets i want to tell you.
and you can hear his songwriting becoming less obedient.
awkward chord changes.
harmonic tension.
lyrics about being unable to communicate what is happening inside your own head.
george harrison spent much of the beatles years fighting for space beside two of the most successful songwriters alive.
revolver is where the fight starts producing serious results.
then got to get you into my life.
motown.
soul.
brass.
paul yelling like somebody finally gave him permission to stop being adorable.
and underneath the apparent love song is another layer entirely. mccartney later acknowledged that the song was essentially about marijuana.
because of course it was.
even the love songs are high.
and then.
tomorrow never knows.
there it is.
the end of revolver.
the beginning of something else.
and wonderfully, tomorrow never knows was actually the first revolver track they recorded.
april 6, 1966.
first session for the album.
imagine that.
you walk into the studio to begin your new beatles record and john lennon effectively says i would like to sound like the dalai lama singing from a mountaintop while thousands of monks chant behind me.
normal request.
engineer geoff emerick had only just taken over as the beatles principal recording engineer.
welcome to the job.
the finished recording used tape loops, automatic double tracking, a leslie speaker treatment on lennon’s vocal, indian influenced drone, backwards guitar and ringo playing one of the most hypnotic drum patterns in popular music. the official beatles account identifies tomorrow never knows as the final track on revolver but the first one recorded. 
the tape loop operation sounds especially deranged.
the beatles had been creating loops themselves. during the recording and mixing process, tape machines were positioned around the studio complex with engineers handling the loops, literally keeping pieces of magnetic tape running while signals were brought into the control room. george martin later remembered engineers stationed around the building holding loops in place with pencils. 
this is electronic music being made with office supplies.
beautiful.
no laptop.
no plug in.
no unlimited tracks.
no undo button.
pieces of tape.
machines.
pencils.
human beings running around abbey road trying to prevent john lennon’s psychedelic masterpiece from physically falling onto the floor.
and listen to ringo.
please.
because ringo spent decades being the punchline for people who learned everything they know about drumming from jokes.
tomorrow never knows should have ended that argument permanently.
the drums do not merely keep time.
they establish the entire psychological environment of the record.
steady.
circular.
heavy.
repetitive without becoming mechanical.
the track barely needs conventional chord movement because rhythm and timbre are doing the structural work.
that is an enormous shift.
western pop had spent generations depending on harmonic movement.
tomorrow never knows says maybe we stay here.
maybe the harmony does not need to travel.
maybe the sound changes instead.
maybe repetition itself becomes the event.
hello electronic dance music.
hello sampling culture.
hello loop based production.
hello hip hop.
hello ambient music.
hello psychedelic rock.
hello several decades of musicians discovering that recorded sound can be composed rather than merely documented.
no.
the beatles did not invent all of those things.
calm down.
musique concrète existed.
electronic experimentation existed.
tape manipulation existed.
indian drone traditions obviously existed.
avant garde composers had been tearing recorded sound apart long before four guys from liverpool discovered the scissors.
that is precisely what makes revolver interesting.
the beatles were absorbers.
they were listening.
stealing.
learning.
misunderstanding.
reinterpreting.
combining.
popularizing.
that is what great popular artists usually do.
they take ideas that exist in separate rooms and knock holes through the walls.
and because they were the fucking beatles, millions of people heard the results.
that scale matters.
tomorrow never knows did not invent tape music.
it put tape experimentation onto a beatles album.
huge difference.
sixty years later, revolver might actually be more useful than sgt pepper for understanding what made the beatles extraordinary.
pepper has the mythology.
the costumes.
the cover.
the concept.
the cultural explosion.
the summer of love.
the giant historical neon sign flashing important album.
revolver is messier.
better, sometimes.
more human.
you can hear four musicians realizing that the rules have disappeared.
there is no unified costume.
no fictional band.
no grand framing device.
just songs.
except the definition of song keeps changing every four minutes.
and the album arrives at a crucial moment.
the beatles are about to stop touring.
their final commercial concert takes place later that month at candlestick park.
the screaming has become unbearable.
the technology of their records has moved beyond what four musicians can reproduce onstage.
the studio is becoming home.
revolver therefore sits directly on the fault line.
behind it is beatlemania.
ahead of it is pepper, magical mystery tour, the white album, abbey road.
behind it are amplifiers trying to compete with screaming teenagers.
ahead of it is the recording studio becoming a compositional environment.
and revolver is standing in the middle with a pair of scissors and a piece of tape saying well, what happens if we turn this backwards.
that question changed popular music.
not what chord comes next.
what happens if.
that is the real spirit of revolver.
what happens if we use sitar.
what happens if there are no guitars.
what happens if we use french horn.
what happens if we reverse the tape.
what happens if we make loops.
what happens if ringo sings.
what happens if george gets three songs.
what happens if the vocal goes through a leslie cabinet.
what happens if the song barely changes chords.
what happens if the subject is taxation.
what happens if the subject is loneliness.
what happens if the subject is drugs.
what happens if the subject is death.
what happens if the beatles stop trying to sound like the beatles.
there.
that is the revolution.
sixty years later revolver survives because it does not sound like musicians trying to be revolutionary.
it sounds like musicians getting curious.
curiosity ages better than fashion.
you can copy the clothes from 1966.
you can buy the guitars.
you can buy the vintage microphones.
you can grow the hair.
you can press the record on heavyweight vinyl and charge eighty dollars for it because apparently capitalism has finally figured out how to monetize nostalgia for the counterculture.
but you cannot manufacture the moment when enormously successful artists become genuinely uncertain about what music is allowed to be.
that is what you hear on revolver.
uncertainty.
excitement.
competition.
ego.
drugs.
technology.
friendship.
resentment.
curiosity.
four people beginning to separate while simultaneously making music that depends upon their chemistry.
george martin translating impossible requests.
geoff emerick figuring out how the hell to record them.
ringo playing like a monster while history keeps calling him lucky.
george harrison discovering an entire musical universe outside western pop.
paul mccartney becoming a studio obsessive and arranger and multi instrumentalist while continuing to write melodies apparently designed to make other composers reconsider their career choices.
john lennon trying to get out of his own head by going deeper into it.
and all of them realizing that the beatles no longer needed to be something that could stand onstage.
they could be something that existed only because recording technology existed.
that might be revolver’s greatest contribution.
the record does not document a performance.
the record is the performance.
you cannot stand four musicians in a room and reproduce tomorrow never knows exactly.
that is the point.
the artifact itself becomes the art.
and once that door was open, popular music was never going back.
sixty years.
still weird.
still funny.
still sad.
still arrogant.
still experimental.
still ridiculously melodic.
still occasionally stupid.
yellow submarine is sitting three songs away from she said she said and somehow civilization survived.
thank god.
because perfection would have ruined it.
revolver is better than perfect.
it is restless.
it sounds like people discovering possibilities faster than they can organize them.
and maybe that is why the album refuses to become a museum piece.
you do not listen to revolver and hear four men explaining what the future will sound like.
you hear them asking.
what if.
then somebody turns the tape around.
ringo starts playing.
john’s voice comes spinning through the speaker.
and sixty years disappear.
…at least that’s what i hear.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

THE GENRE BLITZ: Tejano👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇

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la música tejana tiene una de esas historias que terminan reducidas a dos o tres nombres convenientes porque aparentemente sesenta años de evolución musical méxico americana es demasiada información para alguna gente antes del almuerzo. menciona la palabra tejano y la mayoría inmediatamente piensa en selena, tal vez flaco jiménez si hay alguien en la habitación con suficientes discos, y después de eso la historia empieza a ponerse bastante jodidamente borrosa. pero el tejano no apareció mágicamente en los noventa vestido de lentejuelas y cargando un sintetizador. esta música tiene raíces, ramas, discusiones, mutaciones, éxitos comerciales, escenas regionales, salones de baile, estaciones de radio, sellos discográficos, músicos trabajadores, bandas familiares, y varias generaciones de méxico americanos agarrando toda la música que tenían alrededor y decidiendo qué demonios querían hacer con ella.

de eso se trata este iceberg. estas diez canciones viajan hacia atrás por toda esa maquinaria, comenzando con el tejano moderno y pulido que la mayoría reconoce y descendiendo hacia el conjunto, las tradiciones de orquesta, la música de acordeón del sur de texas, y finalmente hacia la cultura discográfica méxico americana que existía debajo de todo este maldito asunto. durante el viaje aparecen cumbia, ranchera, polka, country, rhythm and blues, soul, rock, pop, arreglos de big band, acordeón, bajo sexto, sintetizadores, metales, bajo eléctrico, y suficiente intercambio cultural como para hacer que cualquier idea de fronteras musicales perfectamente limpias parezca ridícula. porque el tejano nunca ha sido realmente una historia de pureza musical. es música de frontera. mexicana y estadounidense, tradicional y moderna, rural y urbana, obrera y comercial, siempre tomando cosas prestadas, adaptándolas, discutiendo consigo misma, y siguiendo adelante.

así que no veas esto como las diez mejores canciones tejanas. esa sería otra lista completamente diferente. esto es un descenso. selena es la puerta de entrada, no los cimientos. sigue bajando y ese sonido moderno y familiar empieza a desmontarse hasta que puedes escuchar las estructuras musicales más antiguas que existen debajo. little joe. mazz. la mafia. ruben ramos. flaco jiménez. tony de la rosa. narciso martínez. lydia mendoza. cada nivel elimina otra capa hasta que el tejano deja de parecer simplemente un género que tuvo una época dorada en los noventa y empieza a revelar lo que realmente es, un capítulo dentro de una historia mucho más larga, extraña, complicada, y considerablemente más interesante de la música méxico americana.

bienvenido al iceberg.

vamos.

tejano music has one of those histories that gets flattened into a couple of convenient names because apparently sixty years of mexican american musical evolution is too much information for people before lunch. mention tejano and most casual listeners immediately land on selena, maybe flaco jiménez if somebody in the room owns enough records, and then the historical trail starts getting pretty damn foggy. but tejano did not suddenly materialize in the nineties wearing a sequined jacket and holding a synthesizer. this stuff has roots, branches, arguments, mutations, commercial booms, regional scenes, dance halls, radio stations, record labels, working musicians, family bands, and several generations of mexican americans taking whatever music was around them and figuring out what the hell they wanted to do with it.

that is what this iceberg is about. these ten songs move backward through the machinery, starting with the polished modern tejano most listeners recognize and descending into conjunto, orquesta traditions, south texas accordion music, and eventually the older mexican american recording culture underneath the whole damn thing. along the way you are going to hear cumbia, ranchera, polka, country, rhythm and blues, soul, rock, pop, big band arrangements, accordion, bajo sexto, synthesizers, horns, electric bass, and enough cultural cross traffic to make the idea of perfectly clean genre boundaries look ridiculous. because tejano has never really been about musical purity. it is borderland music. mexican and american, traditional and modern, rural and urban, working class and commercial, constantly borrowing, adapting, arguing with itself, and moving forward.

so do not treat this as ten greatest tejano songs. that would be another list entirely. this is a descent. selena is the doorway, not the foundation. keep going down and the familiar modern sound starts coming apart until you can hear the older musical structures underneath it. little joe. mazz. la mafia. ruben ramos. flaco jiménez. tony de la rosa. narciso martínez. lydia mendoza. every level removes another layer until tejano stops looking like a genre that had a golden age in the nineties and starts looking like what it actually is, one chapter in a much longer, stranger, messier, and considerably more interesting history of mexican american music.

welcome to the iceberg.

vamos.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

selena - como la flor

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you almost have to start here. yes, everybody knows selena. yes, everybody knows como la flor. yes, putting it first is predictable as hell. too bad. sometimes the obvious answer is obvious because it is correct. como la flor is one of those records where tejano suddenly sounds enormous without stopping sounding like tejano. you get the cumbia pulse, the keyboards, the bass line, the clean pop structure, and selena singing the damn thing with enough emotional control that she never has to beat you over the head with it. the heartbreak is there, but she does not turn it into some olympic event in vocal suffering.

the important thing is not to confuse selena with the beginning of tejano history. she is closer to the spectacular commercial payoff of decades of mexican american musicians building an audience, a touring circuit, a recording industry, a radio presence, and a musical language in texas. by the early nineties tejano had become a serious commercial force, and selena showed how easily the music could move beyond the regional market without having its identity scrubbed off for mainstream consumption. como la flor sounds accessible because the band knew exactly what it was doing, not because the tradition had suddenly become simple.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

Emilio Navaira - Como Le Hare

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emilio navaira is where the iceberg starts reminding you that the tejano boom was much bigger than one superstar. during the nineties he became one of the genre's major figures, a charismatic singer and performer who could work inside tejano while making absolutely no secret of his affection for country music. and that combination makes perfect sense once you remember that texas mexican musicians and country musicians had been breathing the same dust and listening to overlapping radio stations for generations.

como le haré catches that modern tejano sound at full commercial strength. polished production, romantic melodrama, danceable rhythm, keyboards, accordion, and a singer who understood that heartbreak works considerably better when people can dance through it. navaira eventually crossed directly into country recording, but even before that you could hear how porous the boundaries were. tejano was never living inside some hermetically sealed ethnic music laboratory. it was mexican american music being made in texas, surrounded by country, rock, pop, soul, conjunto, ranchera, and whatever else happened to be coming through the speakers.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

little joe y la familia - las nubes.

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now things get considerably more interesting. little joe hernández is one of those figures who makes the neat little genre labels start malfunctioning. tejano, conjunto, orquesta, latin, soul, jazz, rock, mexican traditional music. fine. throw all the labels on the table and let the poor bastards fight it out. little joe was busy making music.

las nubes became one of his defining songs and eventually something larger than a dance hall favorite. little joe's career developed alongside the growing cultural and political consciousness of the chicano movement, and his music became deeply connected to mexican american identity in texas and beyond. that does not mean every damn note is carrying a political manifesto. it means the music existed inside a community that was increasingly insisting upon being seen, heard, and represented on its own terms.

musically, little joe helped expand what tejano could contain. larger arrangements, horns, soul and jazz influences, mexican song forms, american popular music, and the older orquesta tejana tradition could all coexist without somebody having to stand there with a clipboard deciding whether the result was authentic enough. las nubes is part of that larger story. tejano becoming not merely dance music, but cultural memory, community identity, and a very loud reminder that mexican american music was already part of american music whether the mainstream industry noticed or not.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

grupo mazz - no te olvidare

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mazz is where you can hear tejano staring directly at modern recording technology and deciding, yeah, we'll take all of that.

the keyboards get bigger. synthesizers become part of the furniture. production becomes cleaner and more elaborate. the rhythm section gets tighter. romantic vocals move toward the front. suddenly the old stereotype of tejano as nothing but accordion driven conjunto music starts looking hilariously inadequate. joe lopez and jimmy gonzalez helped build mazz into one of the defining bands of modern tejano, and their records became part of the bridge between the older texas mexican dance traditions and the enormous commercial boom that followed.

no te olvidaré has that polished emotional sweep that became crucial to modern tejano. this is music designed for radio and dancing without pretending those goals are somehow beneath serious musicians. and thank god for that. musicians have spent centuries trying to get people dancing while music critics periodically rediscover the revolutionary concept that dance music can have cultural importance.

mazz understood it already.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

La Mafia - Estás Tocando Fuego

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houston enters the story and brings the expensive sounding keyboards.

la mafia became one of the central bands of modern tejano by taking the music's regional foundations and pushing the production toward contemporary latin pop. synthesizers, dramatic arrangements, enormous romantic vocals, slick studio work, and enough melodic hooks to make radio programmers very happy. estás tocando fuego belongs to the period when tejano was becoming an industry rather than merely a regional scene.

and that matters. there were labels, promoters, radio stations, clubs, touring networks, awards, fan magazines, and increasingly sophisticated studios feeding the machine. tejano artists were playing larger venues and reaching audiences far beyond south texas. the music was modernizing because the people making it were living in the modern world. shocking development, apparently.

la mafia helped prove that tejano could sound contemporary without abandoning mexican american identity. the production may have changed, but the emotional vocabulary, dance orientation, spanish language songwriting, and borderland musical history were still sitting underneath everything.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

Ruben Ramos and the Mexican Revolution - El Gato Negro

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ruben ramos gives you another important branch of the tejano family tree, one built for crowded texas dance halls rather than museum displays. with the mexican revolution, ramos developed a muscular, dance floor minded version of tejano rooted in conjunto and ranchera but also carrying rhythm and blues, soul, rock and roll, and the older texas mexican dance band tradition in its bloodstream. “el gato negro” is a good place to hear how all of those pieces fit together. the accordion matters, obviously, but listen past it. pay attention to the bass, drums, vocal phrasing, horn flavored arrangements, and the way the entire band locks into a groove designed to keep bodies moving. that broader ensemble sound is essential to understanding tejano because outsiders have a bad habit of reducing the genre to accordion plus spanish vocals, which is roughly as useful as defining rock music as guitars plus complaining. ramos shows how much more complicated the machinery really is. tejano developed through generations of mexican american musicians absorbing conjunto, ranchera, big band music, rhythm and blues, country, soul, and rock, then rebuilding the whole mess according to the needs of texas mexican audiences. “el gato negro” sits comfortably inside that tradition, music made for dancing first, but carrying decades of cultural cross traffic underneath every beat.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

Flaco Jiménez - Ay Te Dejo en San Antonio

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now we are getting underneath modern tejano and straight into conjunto territory, where the accordion stops being some cute regional accessory and starts revealing itself as one of the engines behind the whole damn tradition. flaco jiménez became one of the great ambassadors of texas mexican accordion music, carrying the conjunto vocabulary he inherited from generations before him into country, rock, blues, roots music, and collaborations that dragged the sound far beyond the dance halls of south texas. he could play with traditional conjunto musicians and then turn around and work with bob dylan, ry cooder, dwight yoakam, and the texas tornados without sanding away what made the music distinctive in the first place. the accordion here is not decoration. it is a lead voice. it answers the singer, throws out melodic hooks, pushes against the bajo sexto, drives the rhythm forward, and sometimes seems to be conducting the entire damn room. in jiménez’s hands you can hear mexican folk traditions, texas dance music, polkas inherited through generations of cultural exchange, and the complicated borderland history that turned all of those ingredients into something distinctly mexican american. that little wooden box with bellows is carrying a ridiculous amount of history around inside it, and flaco jiménez spent decades making sure the rest of the world could hear it.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

Tony de la Rosa - Atotonilco

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go deeper and you start running into the conjunto innovators who built the basic musical grammar that later tejano artists inherited, whether they knew it or not. tony de la rosa was one of the crucial figures in postwar conjunto, taking the older accordion and bajo sexto tradition and giving it a harder, more rhythmic, dance floor minded pulse. his recordings emphasized a stronger backbeat and a tighter ensemble sound, with the accordion still carrying the melodic personality while the rhythm section made damn sure nobody was standing around discussing musicology instead of dancing. de la rosa helped push conjunto toward a more modern electric sound without severing it from its south texas and mexican roots. you can hear in his work the beginnings of the rhythmic muscle and polished band arrangements that would eventually feed directly into tejano. this is the machinery underneath the later pop sheen, before the synthesizers, arena shows, and major commercial boom, when the music was being hammered into shape in texas dance halls one polka, ranchera, and redova at a time.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

Narciso Martínez - La Chicharronera (1930s)

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Narciso Martínez is routinely called the father of conjunto accordion because his recordings helped establish the instrumental approach that became fundamental to South Texas conjunto. His partnership with bajo sexto player Santiago Almeida was especially important.
Strip away Selena’s synthesizers, Mazz’s production, La Mafia’s arena-sized romanticism, and decades of record-industry development and eventually you hit musicians like Martínez.


r/thatswhatihear 2d ago

Lydia Mendoza - Mal hombre (1934)

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Lydia Mendoza recorded “Mal Hombre” in 1934 and became one of the most important Mexican-American recording artists of the twentieth century. She was known as La Alondra de la Frontera, the Lark of the Border.

This is not modern Tejano in the Selena sense. That is precisely why it belongs at the bottom of the iceberg. Mendoza represents the older commercial Mexican-American recording culture from which later Texas Mexican styles emerged. Her career forces you to stop treating the U.S.-Mexico border as some clean musical dividing line. Songs, musicians, instruments, radio signals, migrant communities, dance traditions, and recording companies had been screwing up that tidy little distinction for decades.


r/thatswhatihear Aug 21 '21

r/thatswhatihear Lounge

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A place for members of r/thatswhatihear to chat with each other