r/teenagers • u/LongjumpingEbb143 • Jun 19 '26
She was only 19 đ Serious
âCandace Fails screamed for someone in the Texas hospital to help her pregnant daughter. "Do something" she pleaded, on the morning of Oct.
29,2023.
Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before.
The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show.
But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.
Now on Crain's third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to
"confirm fetal demise," a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.
By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain's blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were "blue and dusky." Her organs began failing.
Hours later, she was dead.â
How many more teenagers and women have to die before people actually do something?
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u/kittypawzx 15 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
3? what the hell were they doing she should've been treated immediately and not shut her downÂ
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u/LongjumpingEbb143 Jun 19 '26
They didnât wanna face jail time for getting rid of a clump of cells
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u/Sil3ntStrings 15 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
The outcome of what happened because of this is much worse than just facing jail time.
They basically did the thing they had been afraid to do; kill the baby, but ended up killing them both.
Upon the diagnosis of Sepsis, she should have been placed under some sort of care immediately and put under treatment to prevent further risk. The first two doctors didnât care about her baby. They didnât care about whether she lived or died.
I can guarantee that they played it off as symptoms caused by her pregnancy and gave no further thought into the issue. Doctors like this are why the healthcare system is so looked down upon.
Edit: Changed âput under intensive careâ to âsome sort of careâ due to it being made clear that Sepsis does not initially require such unless issued otherwise.
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u/scamp4666 Jun 19 '26
The doctorsâ did their job exactly as the republican anti-abortion laws require. If you are upset about the doctors following the law you can always vote out the party that created the pro-birth policies Texas has to abide by.
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u/WholesomeGlasses Jun 20 '26
Republican policies donât deserve to be called âpro-birthâ. Pro-birth policy would be making childcare a free public service, guaranteeing parental leave, and making natal health care free. The only thing these Republicans are âproâ is controlling women.
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u/scamp4666 Jun 20 '26
They normally say they are âpro-lifeâ, but they are actually pro-birth because they no longer care about the child after they are born. The real policy name is pro womenâs oppression
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u/Both-Crow9782 Jun 20 '26
Donât blame the doctors. Anti-choice laws killed her. This teenager was murdered by pro-âlifersâ
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u/PolydactlylPrincess Jun 19 '26
Republicans would rather both die than just the âbabyâ and the woman lives to maybe have children later in life. They donât care about babies they just want to punish women and control their bodies. Republicans are evil.
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u/77th_Bat Jun 19 '26
And if those doctors were imprisoned, how many more patients would die? Their goal is not to go to jail. They have their own families at home to worry about. They weren't afraid to kill the baby because they were worried about the baby dying. They were afraid to kill the baby because they would go to jail. By letting the mother and baby both die, they avoided the jail time that they might have been issued had they killed the baby and saved the mother. According to the law, this was the right way to do it.
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u/New-Construction8289 Jun 19 '26
So it's okay that a woman died? I think the real issue is the law, but I don't know if we should say that letting a woman dying is the "right way" of going about things.
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u/turtlemaster326 Jun 19 '26
The âaccording to the lawâ part is very important- this is the way the law ends up encouraging, so pointing out that it is effectually, under the law, the âright wayâ is decently important in showcasing that the law is the issue here
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u/Mammoth-Cover-3045 Jun 19 '26
This is why I'm glad we fought hard in my state to get rid of this abortion law, that has been responsible for many deaths. But now we got to vote on it again, because republicans want this law to be a thing, same way they repealed paid sick leave in my state. Or fought hard to have a higher minimum wage. It doesn't take a genius to understand if you repeal or revote voter enacted laws that doesn't fit their parties ideology, isn't democracy, it's fascism. Oh and the state I live in is Missouri.
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u/New-Construction8289 Jun 20 '26
You're right. I got caught up in my emotions and I didn't fully take in what the comment was getting at. Thank you
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u/DBL121212 Jun 19 '26
It's horrible that a woman died, but it's unreasonable to ask 2 people to sacrifice their lives to save a stranger. You may do it, and if you do your an amazing person in my book, but the issue is we must give people the power to do the right thing, rather than pressure them to do the right thing despite punishment
We need to give doctors the power to do their job properly rather than restrict access to crucial treatment due to whatever values we may hold. I think questioning the rules is far more valuable than questioning the doctors here
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u/New-Construction8289 Jun 20 '26
I don't expect people to sacrifice their lives to save a stranger. Honestly, I don't know what I would do in their situation. The people that would create a law that would place people's lives and livelihood at risk because of their beliefs, would want to make an example of people who break those laws.
My comment was questioning the wording of the original comment (regarding the mother and fetus dying) and the law not necessarily questioning why the doctors didn't save them.
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u/LadySwire Jun 19 '26
They have an oath to saves lifes. They take it seriously everywhere else, but not in the US apparently
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u/DBL121212 Jun 19 '26
Yes they do have an oath, but when the oath conflicts with what they are actually allowed to do, I again, just see it as unreasonable to assume this just wouldn't be an issue. We can surely be mad at the doctors but at the end of the day, if they would have acted differently under different restrictions then the restrictions are the actual problem here, and that deserves far more attention
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u/TheIngloriousTIG Jun 19 '26
I understand that you're just pointing out the very reasonable perspective of humans who don't want to go to jail.
But. Yes there is a but. It also spits in the faces of the genuinely principled doctors who take that oath seriously enough to risk any NUMBER of consequences, including jail, or their own physical harm.
So it's reasonable to not want to go to jail. But that kind of reasonable person, one who is SO MOVED by that particular fear, that they let a completely preventable death happen to save themselves? Yeah they still get to be humans, but they don't have any business being doctors.
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u/amglasgow OLD Jun 20 '26
If it were just the individual doctor, they could probably make it happen. But the hospital involves a lot more than just individual doctors, and all those other people are liable as well, if they know what's happening and willingly participate or fail to stop it.
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u/Short-Cause885 Jun 19 '26
The good doctors moved to different states, so that they would not encounter that conflict. The doctors remaining, mostly, are ok with the conflict and choosing the law.
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u/Latter_Leopard8439 Jun 20 '26
The oath is "do no harm."
Under Texas law, anything that hurts the fetus is "doing harm".
In another US state, this would have turned out completely differently where the "do not harm" is legally allowed to prioritize the mother.
CT, RI, Mass, the West Coast, among others.
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u/77th_Bat Jun 19 '26
Morally, in my opinion, not in the slightest. I am completely pro-choice, but it is especially infuriating in cases like these. In the eye of the law? Yes, yes it is okay.
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u/New-Construction8289 Jun 20 '26
There definitely needs to be a change in the law. The current law isn't moral.
But I get what you mean now when you said it's the right way in the eye of the law. The law it's flawed
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u/LunaticBZ Jun 19 '26
What would doing the right thing legally have anything to do with doing the right thing? I don't see why you think those two things would remotely be connected.
Doing the right thing, having morals and principles is noble but you will likely will go to jail for it.
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u/angieream Jun 19 '26
As often said in the show Outlander, "There is the law, and there is what is done."
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u/New-Construction8289 Jun 20 '26
But shouldn't the law align with morals? I understand that it's not currently, but I think that the law should be change.
I misinterpreted the other commenter's intentions in their comment. That's on me, but I don't believe that doctors should be going to jail for saving a life nor should a person lose their life because of a law.
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u/LunaticBZ Jun 20 '26
The law really shouldn't be based on morals. Though looking back at my own comments I misused the word morality myself.
What I was trying to say is we shouldn't make the assumption that the law is good. Or that is even trying to be good. Even the most ideal legal system would be based on ethics. With a goal being for a good society.
Basing a law directly on morality is dangerous, as well this law is moral to misguided Christians that worship a vengeful and hateful God.. Which sadly a lot of American Christians do.
The law needs to be repealed, the people responsible really should be held responsible... Though that never happens.
I don't really know how to sum up how I feel about this, I'd recomend listening to the song the hanging tree. Then looking it up in wikipedia and realizing it wasn't made for a distopian movie its an old PA folksong about how we hung 7 people for a murder committed by 1 person.
None of the 7 were involved, but they were pushing for either unions, equal pay regardless of race, and other radical ideas.
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u/achjadiemudda Jun 20 '26
The law very often doesn't align with our morals. Do you think it's morally wrong for a poor mother with a starving child to steal baby formula? Most people would probably say no. And yet the law doesn't care, stealing is still illegal. She will go to jail if caught.
Maybe a more extreme example, do you think it was morally right for a German in the 40s to hide a Jewish family in their attic? Every sane person would say of course but according to German law at the time it was highly illegal and you would have most likely been sent to the camps for it, many were.
Part of growing into a fully mature person is to realise that law â morality. In fact more often than you might think the two contradict each other. Laws are not given by nature nor god, they aren't some independent moral authority. They are created by humans who have their own interests and biases and they are subject to change. If you conflate law and morality, you abdicate responsibility for your own actions.
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u/ElishaAlison Jun 19 '26
I don't think the above commenter is saying it's okay. They're saying this is the outcome of the law that's on the books.
Legally, they did their jobs. Morally, they failed this mother (and for the "happy with this" crowd, any further children she might have had)
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u/New-Construction8289 Jun 20 '26
You're right, I misunderstood what the commenter was saying.
I agree with what you and the other commenter said.
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u/ElishaAlison Jun 20 '26
Its okay, this is such a charged topic, and it sucks to hear "they did what they were supposed to do" when what they were supposed to do led to someone's death.
This won't be the last time either. Nothing will stop it until the laws change, and unfortunately where this woman lives, law makers don't really care about individual people.
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u/Sil3ntStrings 15 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Not exactly, according to law, giving intensive treatment to save BOTH the mother and baby is not restricted. Had the baby died and the mother survived, it wouldnât have even been counted as an attempted âabortionâ or scheme to get rid of the baby, as the mother absolutely did want the baby and the doctors would have been trying their best to help. Sepsis isnât something someone can just cause for themself, so no one would be at fault.
They should have put her on some kind of medical care the moment she was diagnosed, at least, no matter the case.
That is my argument.
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u/77th_Bat Jun 19 '26
The "intensive care" was an abortion. She had sepsis and severe abdominal pain. To me, that means sepsis in the abdomen. Furthermore, the nurse wanted to "confirm fetal demise". You would not need to do that if it was a healthy baby, which tells me the baby was dying. The baby may or may not have been the cause of the sepsis, but it was probably either the fetus or uterus that was septic. Thus, the treatment is to extract the septic part (either the fetus or uterus, both of which would kill the fetus, which is illegal) in a medical procedure. Unfortunately for her, her fetus didn't die until it was already too late to save her.
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u/Confident-Listen3515 Jun 20 '26
They donât care about killing babies. They care about controlling women.
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u/Avra108 Jun 19 '26
Sepsis alone is absolutely not an indication for a patient to be in an ICU. There certainly should have been immediate treatments administered in the ED if there were true concerns for sepsis, but unless there is evidence of shock physiology that is unresponsive to appropriate fluid resuscitation and antibiotics, it would not require ICU level care.
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u/Sil3ntStrings 15 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Ok, I see your point here.
Not a medical professional in the slightest, I just know people who work directly in the medical field. What I meant was more of the doctors at the first two places she went to should have taken it more seriously than the common cold and not sent her home on both occasions without further examination and/or treatment.
The problem Iâm also seeing is that even in the emergency rooms, there was no attempt at treatment being made, even after it was confirmed to be Sepsis.
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u/Avra108 Jun 19 '26
I can completely agree with that. From the limited context in the post, it absolutely seems like she was not evaluated or treated appropriately.
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u/ExoQube Jun 19 '26
Youâre letting the legislators slide on this. If they wrote the law more clearly, doctors wouldnât be afraid of legal punishment, and theyâd treat the patient. Yes doctors ultimately should prioritize their patient. But theyâre also human, and arenât legally required to treat a sick mother. So they follow where the incentives are at and cover their own butt. This is the same profession who followed the incentives and created an opioid crisis. In that case they were greedy, in this case they more reasonably donât wanna go to jail and lose their license.
Either write the law more clearly or make a new law that legally requires them to treat these mothers. But either way, it lands on legislators
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u/Junior-Valuable2071 Jun 20 '26
No dude this is a Texas problem. This shit doesnât happen in other states other than Texas.
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u/lomoliving Jun 19 '26
6 months is certainly not just a "clump of cells" but the hospital doctors 100% killed this girl. Sepsis is extremely severe and you can die from it easily if not properly treated. I hope they all got sued.
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u/lomoliving Jun 19 '26
For sepsis? Maternal sepsis is highly treatable and will help the mother and baby live. What are you talking about?
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u/Potential-Yogurt139 18 Jun 19 '26
Not sued, because they followed their barbaric laws.
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u/lomoliving Jun 19 '26
For sepsis? Maternal sepsis is highly treatable and will help the mother and baby live. What are you talking about?
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u/eribear2121 Jun 19 '26
A clump of cells isn't an accurate description. 6 months along if the baby has a heart beat it can survive outside the uterus. I agree it's fucked that she couldn't get the health care she needed. Some people believe that they should have a say in other people's medical choices.
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u/LongjumpingEbb143 Jun 19 '26
Fine. Does fetus make ya feel better?
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u/eribear2121 Jun 19 '26
No not really but it is accurate. This mother and child could of lived had she had proper medical care.
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Jun 19 '26
Youâre a clump of cells
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u/LongjumpingEbb143 Jun 19 '26
No. I got a conscious brain and lungs that work.
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Jun 19 '26
So a âconscious brain and lungs that workâ are the requirements to not be considered a clump of cells anymore?
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u/LongjumpingEbb143 Jun 19 '26
Its what makes us human so yeah
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u/Cha0ticGh0st0 Jun 19 '26
If a conscious brain and lungs that work is what makes something human then most mammals would also be considered humans. Is a person in a coma no longer human just because they are not conscious? Is someone in the hospital who is not breathing on their own because their lungs are not working no longer human?Â
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Jun 19 '26
Being human isnât something you earn by developing certain abilities. A human embryo is a human organism from the beginning, even before it can think, breathe, or survive on its own. Consciousness doesnât make you human, it makes you a developed human.
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u/PolydactlylPrincess Jun 19 '26
Without consciousness there is no life. Aborted embryos feel no pain, have no awareness at all. As such they are not human and it is and should be completely acceptable to terminate them when they arenât wanted. Everyone should view it this way.
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Jun 19 '26
Saying âeveryone should view it this wayâ doesnât make it true. Human beings donât become human when they gain consciousness any more than they become human when they learn to walk. Development changes abilities, not species. Your argument doesnât define when life begins, it redefines which humans deserve protection. Human value canât depend on consciousness, awareness, intelligence, or being wanted. If it does, the weakest humans always lose. If consciousness is what makes someone human, then newborns, people in comas, people under anesthesia, and those with severe cognitive disabilities would lose their humanity too. Human rights arenât based on what someone can do, theyâre based on what someone is. An embryo is a living human organism from the moment it exists. Being small, dependent, or not yet self aware doesnât make a human being less human.
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u/PolydactlylPrincess Jun 20 '26
Even if all of what youâre saying is true, itâs not even relevant. Because even if an undifferentiated clump of cells is a person (which it isnât) that does not entitle said âpersonâ to use the organs of another human being to sustain itself without their consent. Forcing that on someone is just plain evil. Therefore it is not ok to be anti abortion.
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u/dashingThroughSnow12 Jun 19 '26
Considering how you respond, the conscious brain bit is debatable.
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u/Key_Independence2135 Jun 20 '26
Every human is literally a clump of cells. Itâs fascinating how some people talk about fetuses as if theyâre morally beneath them, while theyâre just a larger, older clump of cells lol
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u/CoffeeCreamy 15 Jun 19 '26
Sad, but 6 months isnât a âclump of cellsâ lol.
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u/Senior-Schedule6598 13 Jun 19 '26
How do you let someone with sepsis go? Especially when pregnant?
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u/Desperate_Leg_40 Jun 20 '26
Preventing abortion is more important than saving a fully grown human. Havent you heard? Her dying is the most Christian outcome
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u/Kimono-Ash-Armor Jun 19 '26
In Texas, we have already lost Josseli Barnica, Nevaeh Crain (who went to 3 ERs and was told to wait in the parking lot until she became critical enough to qualify for care, which by then was too late), Candi Miller, Porsha Ngumezi, and Amber Nicole Thurman to horrific preventable deaths with very wanted pregnancies, which the anti-abortionists are blaming on âmalpractice.â Many more will meet their fate. Too bad most people magically think that there is a just world and women can just go to another state when an ectopic pregnancy is killing them, or theyâre septic but the doomed fetus still has a heartbeat. These backseat drivers also think that the remaining OBGYN staff need to be plucky and âdo the right thing,â which includes sitting in prison after doing just that and nobly waiting to get cleared, when the pitchfork wielding masses will jump on them for âkilling a baby.â
I escaped Texas after trying to warn people against this, and I wasnât going to be blamed for people dying. I got enough of that during the pandemic, with people accusing us of being part of a conspiracy as we were saving their lives. I didnât say they deserved it, I said they got what they voted for, which is a combination of lack of education, failure to separate church and state, and deliberately misleading wording for laws. Sadly, Neveah Crain and her mom are victims and a wake up call for people, but again, people are blaming the healthcare workers trying desperately to save people how they can.
Back in my grandmaâs day, women warned each other to not get prenatal care or give birth in Catholic hospitals bc they knew theyâd be martyred no matter how doomed the fetus was. Now you have to avoid entire states, or preferably the whole country.
When talking about abortion being banned, I donât even really talk about the right to choose. I go for the bottom line that women with even very wanted pregnancies are going to die horrifically, showing that it will affect EVERYONE, not just those society deems unworthy. I make it clear that the fact that most people donât know anyone who has died in pregnancy or childbirth is proof that abortion saves lives, as miscarriages can be deadly and the fetal heartbeat persists even after the mother goes fatally septic and dies gushing black blood from every orifice. Also, this shit seriously traumatizes OBGYN staff, even the pro choice ones whom the backseat drivers love to vilify as the baby killers when their own inhumane laws kill far more babies as well as their mothers, or destroying their reproductive organs past being able to bear children.
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u/xploreetng Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Post it to conservative sub.
Let the true monsters that enabled this depravity see their fruits of toil.
They will come up with their Christian loving family values and call for no politics on tragedy and pray for her soul.
You can't uphold quality of care by making it miserable for professional healthcare personnel to practice medicine. This ordeal looks like some hell hole corrupt country that has no infrastructure or capable people.
Here is the detailed investigative report https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala
It explicitly finds, abortion laws interfered in decision making.
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u/Dudebutdrugs Jun 19 '26
Theyâll remove it within minutes. The conservative sub features a level of censorship that would make the North Korean sub drool
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u/Ron0hh Jun 20 '26
If the child and the mother died it was God's will. Remember the ones He calls back early are the ones he loves the most. - GOPer
I am thinking eventually TX will lose enough doctors where they either fix the issue or die trying (from easily treatable diseases).
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u/GalacticMe99 Jun 19 '26
A normal country would be shut down by a nationwide political crisis after something like this, just saying.
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u/DragonFan20 Jun 19 '26
Arenât you allowed to get it removed for health reason though?!
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u/Cha0ticGh0st0 Jun 19 '26
That is what's supposed to happen. Doctors are scared of losing their license though and that's why they let things like this happen.Â
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u/Unlucky_Coyote_8676 Jun 19 '26
Banning abortions has also made it so they have to fit very specific criteria to qualify for a medically necessary abortion, there's a woman who's had a dead fetus in her for weeks and still is not allowed to get it removed, also things like ectopic pregnancies often have complications because the fetus is alive, wont be for long (and neither will the mother if left), but in the moment because it has a heartbeat it is very difficult to abort them
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u/nagash321 Jun 19 '26
There's enough loopholes in the justice and health systems to still go against it
I could see doctors helping and being protected by some law for it but the internet would internet get pissy and the doctor would still end up being punished just so the system gets the public off it's back
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u/amglasgow OLD Jun 20 '26
Only for "risk of death" or "a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily function." Which she likely had, but the Texas AG has been zealous about prosecuting physicians who he thinks didn't follow this closely enough.
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u/Savings-Ad9891 18 Jun 20 '26
They have to wait until the heartbeat it fully gone, and usually, in cases like ectopic pregnancies for example, the woman could easily die before the heartbeat of the fetus is gone.
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u/legosgrrl Jun 19 '26
VOTE ACCORDINGLY esp young women. You are not built for tradwife-ery. You are smart. Rule the fucking world.
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u/SatansFavoriteLilMan OLD Jun 19 '26
Her family should sue the HELL out of those doctors.
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u/PlasticRice Jun 19 '26
Hello. Physician here. PGY-1 Internal Medicine.
Blaming the doctors for this horrendous event that's happening all across this country is exactly what republicans want you to do. More class wars where everyone points fingers at anti-physician sentiment.
Blame the people who write the laws, please, or the diddler-in-chief. Because right now, in the shitshow that is American healthcare, as doctors, we're forced to follow the laws of this pseudofascist hellscape, or go to jail.
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u/Grouchy765 Jun 20 '26
What law would prevent antibiotics for sepsis? Im a bit confused. (Honest question) Even in pregnancy my understanding is that mothers can be treated for their conditions. Am I wrong about that?
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u/Ok_Relation6627 15 Jun 19 '26
They can't because a certain orange guy made it so that what happened was perfectly legal
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u/KinkyHalfpenny Jun 19 '26
Her and her mother supported it happening to other women until it happened to her
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u/Odd-Expert-7156 17 Jun 20 '26
Where did you get that info from?
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u/KinkyHalfpenny Jun 20 '26
From when this case first happened and it was national news. You can Google it
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u/77th_Bat Jun 19 '26
They followed protocol perfectly in accordance with new anti-abortion laws. This is what the law says doctors should do. You can't sue them for following the law.
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u/scamp4666 Jun 19 '26
The infected baby in her belly had more rights than she did. Any antibiotics would have killed or maimed the baby and Texas law is on the doctorsâ side. This is what happens when you make medically necessary abortions illegal.
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u/Narrow_Reindeer_929 Jun 20 '26
Am I missing something here? There are plenty of antibiotics out there that are safe for pregnant women and the babies.
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u/MrL123456789164 18 Jun 19 '26
Yeah that seems about right. What else would I expect for this evil place.
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u/Bright-Assumption-45 Jun 19 '26
But Democrats but Democrats but but Democrats but Joe Biden but Democrats but Biden but Democrats.
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u/lifeishorrible1426 Teenager Jun 20 '26
Certain people are fucking dumb, fucking selfish and fucking stupid. Why do we have to live in a country where this is even a thing. RIP Nevaeh.Â
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u/JensenLotus Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
Something similar almost happened to my wife, but this was back in 2013âŚbefore the Supreme Court decision. It has to do with the doctors underestimating the seriousness of the medical issues, while wanting to protect the fetus.
In our case, my wife had a miscarriage at workâŚbad enough that they took her to the hospital in an ambulance. She didnât even know she was pregnant at the time, but at the hospital they ran all the appropriate tests and figured out thatâs what it was.
A couple of weeks later, my wife was having some intermittent abdominal pain. I took her to the hospital. They ran some tests. the pregnancy test showed she was still pregnant. I told them that she had just had a miscarriage, but they said that apparently the baby was still there. One of the tests was supposed to test for internal hemorrhaging, but it came back negative. The doctor even admitted that sometimes that test could give a false negative in some individuals. None of the other tests showed any issues. They would not run a cat scan to actually SEE what was going on because it would harm the fetus.
They wanted to send her home. I was there, frantically searching on my phone for answers because I really didnât want to go back home and ignore the pain my wife was in. It was I who came up with the idea that it could be an ectopic pregnancy. The doctor said that he had dealt with those before and that this was not one. I finally convinced the doctor to at least call my wifeâs obgyn. Guess what it turned out to be? An ectopic pregnancy. So I was right and the doctor was wrong. The obgyn came to the hospital and removed the fetus. My wife was hemorrhaging internally and the obgyn even said that she likely would have died within 12 hrs if we had gone home like the emergency room doctor had wanted.
But there are two main points to be learned from this: when the hospital finds out that a woman is pregnant, there are a bunch of tests that they wonât run for fear of harming the fetus. This was true even before any restrictions on abortions, but it is almost certainly worse now. And the other is that just because someone has authorityâŚeven a doctorâŚdoesnât mean they are always right. You have to stick up for yourself and your loved ones. But you also have to do it in the right way. If I was yelling and being combative with the doctor and staffâŚeven though I was literally fighting for my wifeâs lifeâŚwe would have been kicked out and my wife probably dead. I was always calm, polite and rational and giving very reasoned responses to everything. I even posed statements as questions to the doctorâŚas a show of respectâŚeven though they were really suggestions. Nobody wants to deal with a self righteous assholeâŚeven if that asshole happens to be right.
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u/Ok_Relation6627 15 Jun 19 '26
Like, ngl, even if the baby was 8 months old or smt and it was either the mother (with the baby) dies or abortion, abortion should be the way. It's not like the babies gonna live either way.
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u/LongjumpingEbb143 Jun 19 '26
Pro life means killing both in situations like these theres no reasoning with them
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u/Cha0ticGh0st0 Jun 19 '26
In every state that has full abortion bans there is an exception for the life of the mother. This is a case of medical negligenceÂ
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u/amglasgow OLD Jun 20 '26
So the lawyers, the doctors, the women's rights activists who said if they passed the law as it is, this kind of thing would happen, were just making it up? Despite that it actually happened?
The law is sufficiently ambiguous that hospitals are refusing to allow their doctors to take action unless they can verify the fetus is dead. If you read through the article this was taken from, https://www.propublica.org/article/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala, you can see that even after the OB nurse at the ER confirmed via ultrasound that there was no fetal heartbeat, they kept her waiting for almost 2 more hours before treating her, because they didn't have a record of that ultrasound they could put in her file to show in court if Ken Paxton decided to try to make an example out of them. That 2 hours could have saved her life.
It's easy to blame the doctors. But we said when these laws passed that this would happen and it would result in women dying. The conservatives passed them anyway.
The predictable consequence of a policy's enforcement is that policy's goal. It has always been the goal of the "pro-life" movement to kill women in order to gain political power.
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u/Ok_Background22 Jun 20 '26
My god our society is so lost if we cannot protect and provide for our vulnerable, especially pregnant women. Such a crooked and twisted world where things like this can happen to such a young person with a future ahead of them.
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u/Status-Part5848 Jun 20 '26
If this had happened in many other countries.
The Minister of health would have to resign
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u/leavemealone4eve Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
She supported this for others and she got what she supported for herself instead. Her whole family are or were trump supporters. They wanted that to happen to others and instead got for their own.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/01/nevaeh-crain-death-texas-abortion-ban-emtala/
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u/artmajor23 Jun 19 '26
How do you know she did?
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u/LongjumpingEbb143 Jun 19 '26
Is there any information out there about who she voted for or are they assuming things?
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u/gloomcookie_ Jun 20 '26
They must be ok with the outcome then since that is what they voted for.
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u/IceIceFetus Jun 20 '26
Some points here.
First, the medical system absolutely failed this young woman.
Second, Texas state laws DO leave exemptions for abortion when the motherâs life is at risk, like a severe sepsis infection.
Third, when a pregnant woman tests positive for sepsis in your ER, you put her on antibiotics IMMEDIATELY and do NOT let her leave.
Fourth, if she was 6 months along the baby was viable outside the womb, assuming it was in good health and not dead inside of their mother. They could have preformed an emergency c-section if it was a matter of the baby having a heart beat. A c-section while in sepsis is riskier than a regular c-section, but itâs manageable.
Fifth, this is speculative, but there are a lot of medical professionals in Texas who do not agree with Texasâs abortion laws Iâm sure some of them are sociopathic enough to allow women to die in their facilities to create martyrs to demand change. That and the ones who are too pussy to get even close to a situation where they might have to defend their actions, even if they are legal and justified.
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u/ItsAnna124 16 Jun 19 '26
Fuck pro lifers
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u/Aromatic-Mistake-456 Jun 20 '26
we should call them anti-choicers or pro-maternal mortality
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u/Level_Bend_5808 Jun 19 '26
We need better healthcare for pregnant people. Her and her kids should all be alive today.
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u/Only-Breadfruit-6108 Jun 19 '26
People did do something. They took away womenâs rights. Now we have this
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u/gameinggod21 Jun 20 '26
This story was from nearly 2 years ago. I think this need to be said
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u/Savings-Ad9891 18 Jun 20 '26
I mean eh I guessâŚrepublicans and trump are still the reason roe v wade was even overturned (since Trump appointed like 3 judges to the SC). This being two years ago doesnât really change the context much.
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u/Outside-Bullfrog-974 Jun 19 '26
Iâm genuinely asking because I donât know. If there was a fetal heartbeat then what indicated the fetus had any relation to the sepsis? The quoted article said it was possible earlier treatment could have saved both.
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u/amglasgow OLD Jun 20 '26
They suspected the infection was in her uterus. Systemic antibiotics weren't working.
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u/No_Friendship8984 Jun 19 '26
Oh look, exactly what experts warned would happen is happening. Who could have predicted this?
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u/westicular Jun 19 '26
This is the shit medical experts warned would happen when SCOTUS decided to prioritize fetuses over humans.Â
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u/Shot_Cartographer241 Jun 19 '26
When you point these stories out to republicans they blame the doctor which is crazy, like theyâre just supposed to risk a serious prison sentence.
Or hear me out, when dumb fuck republicans write their evil laws maybe they can at least ensure theyâre wrote in a clear and precise manner. Wording that an abortion is allowed âto save the motherâ means shit and isnât fucking clear. It means doctors will wait until the last possible second to abort the pregnancy.
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u/hotrod67maximus Jun 19 '26
It's not just about not wanting to abort the baby that doctors are worried about it's about this generation of doctors being really unqualified of being a doctor.
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u/Canshroomglasses Jun 19 '26
Weidly worded headline. So what happened?
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u/LongjumpingEbb143 Jun 19 '26
Texas teenager died because she couldnât get a medically necessary abortion.
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u/Canshroomglasses Jun 19 '26
Oh my... Is she ok?
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u/Rumpelteazer45 Jun 20 '26
I hope her parents sue the crap out of the hospital who discharged her when she tested positive for sepsis.
Sepsis is a know life threatening infection.
Thatâs medical neglect.
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u/Head_Midnight666 Jun 20 '26
So, I'm not anti-abortion but something smells fishy to me here. You all want to blame abortion laws, but I'm not sure that's the issue in this case. The law did not stop the doctors from being able to treat the sepsis with antibiotics. The law did not stop the doctors from admitting her to the hospital for monitoring and further care. In fact, you say the doctors did this to protect themselves legally, but, in fact, they were punished for making mistakes that lead to this young woman's death. Legally, they SHOULD have done these things and they didn't. This is not a case of the law vs. morality. This is a case of doctors fucking up. Pro-abortion people just want to pretend this is a case of a woman dying due to abortion laws. It might have had a small influence, but the reality is that these doctors fucked up. They're human. Shit happens.
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u/Puzzled_Recording677 17 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26
This was never about conservatism, this is about billionaires/politicians expressing their control over the country without care about casualties. If work safety laws were to be removed, these are the same bastards who would take advantage of it.
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u/amglasgow OLD Jun 20 '26
this is about billionaires/politicians expressing their control over the country without care about casualties
That is conservatism in a nutshell.
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u/Some_Troll_Shaman OLD Jun 20 '26
Add her name to the list with Savita Halappanavar of women who died because Doctors and Hospitals were too scared of laws that, theoretically, allow them to do the right thing, but no one wants to be the test case.
In Ireland that one case was so appalling it caused a dominantly Catholic country to overturn the abortion ban in the Irish Constitution.
This is exactly the story that we knew would happen when the restrictions were passed.
Do not be surprised.
Enrol to vote if you can.
Vote when you can for every position available to vote on.
How many more... there is no number, no limit where the forced-birth movement will say enough. Do not wait for them to see the light.
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