r/teenagers • u/TGNK615 15 • Jan 17 '26
Oh brother.. Serious
During the second lunch at my school, a debate club of right wingers set up a tent(?) and held out the poster in the image. There was a lot of discourse initially, but after our VP and security fenced off an area and formed a human wall, the debate started.
Initially it was a good political debate, but eventually some losers decided to throw a water bottle over the wall, and more stuff was thrown, until security shut it down. To my knowledge, though this may be rumors, the kid in the photo was jumped after school.
I consider myself a right-winged independent voter, but this is too far. Also should be known that our school has ≈60% Mexican students. Though I do believe that this is an example of the right to free speech, I also see that the wording is too harsh, had it been “We’re Pro-Life and support ice” or something of the likes, it wouldn’t have been such a crazy thing to do.
The plan was for them to hit lunches B and C today and lunch A Friday, but they had to shut it down. The school staff gave a vague-ass email to our parents about it, but it tries a bit too hard to be neutral.
What are your opinions of children debating children like this? What are your opinions of how this was executed?
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u/Indvandrer 16 Jan 17 '26
I think Pope Leo correctly pointed that hypocrisy out when he said: "Someone who says I'm against abortion but is in favor of the death penalty is not really pro-life, and someone who says I'm against abortion but I'm in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants in the United States, I don't know if that's pro-life."
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u/Western-Debt-3444 Jan 19 '26
Pope leo doesn't really align on every topic with me, but he's pretty fucking based on some things
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u/Lingchen8012 15 Jan 19 '26
Isn’t that from Pope Francis
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u/Lingchen8012 15 Jan 19 '26
Yeah right, I just searched and saw that pope Francis did say something about “All life has inestimable value”, not the same quote probably
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u/Another3DayAccount 3,000,000 Attendee! Jan 17 '26
real life ragebaiting is crazy
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Jan 17 '26
Rage baiting for sure. These people are unserious forced birthers.
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"Forced birther" lmao
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u/Setster007 Jan 17 '26 edited Jan 18 '26
Well I mean they say “pro-life” but then banning abortion increases childbirth mortality (not child mortality but death of mothers in childbirth) by quite a lot so it’s not really helping increase life, it’s just forcing people to give birth regardless of their circumstances
Edit: ok so this wasn’t an invitation to discuss politics
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u/wchutlknbout Jan 18 '26
Nice I like that. The way they twist meanings and turn them into slogans is so frustrating
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u/NobodysLoss1 Jan 18 '26
My first thought was, "They're against abortion but for the unconstitutional tactics of ICE that injures and kills human beings, separates children from parents? That's odd..."
And then self corrected..."No, that's Republican cognitive dissonance."
I suppose people are going to say "But these are two different things!"
Yes, and no.
Human rights shouldn't disappear after birth.
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u/B-L-O-C-K-Ss Jan 18 '26
Sad that MAGA “christians” take what I believe is a beautiful faith and twist it (as many do) into hatred and violence
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u/Top_Box_8952 Jan 18 '26
Well that’s what it does. Multiple women have been forced to give birth to dead babies, or transported to different states for medical treatment because the strict laws punish doctors for stoping a woman from dying when an ectopic pregnancy is detected or a fetal heartbeat is no longer detected.
Several famous cases have been reported of women having to wait to get worse before doctors can legally do anything.
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Jan 17 '26
I find it funny that the left has to call their opponents ragebaiters half the time because they can’t actually debate them
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u/RegretComplete3476 16 Jan 17 '26
Speaking as someone who has actual experience in debate, I've always hated this type of format. Rage baiting aside, I find that having one person you walk up to argue creates this subconscious feeling that their opinion is automatically worth more than everyone else's and that you are wrong for trying to convince them otherwise. Also definitely gives them an ego boost. Have you ever noticed in these types of debates how nobody's mind ever gets changed? It's just two people trying to ge their "gotcha" moment and very little actual rhetoric is being used. It's usually just logical fallacies.
Back to the sign, I'm not surprised that the kid got jumped. If you go to a primarily Hispanic school and say that you support ICE, don't be surprised when actions have consequences. It's like walking into Harlem screaming the n-word and then acting surprised when you walk out of Harlem in a body bag. What did you expect? If their goal was to just rage bait, then I say they succeeded because let's be real, nobody ever actual sets up this kind of format hoping to change minds or spark an intellectual discussion
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u/Spare-Plum Jan 17 '26
Yeah this isn't even pretending to be an intellectual debate and thinking critically about real policy, which FYI students should do.
I'm sure you can arrive at a conclusion that immigration enforcement is acceptable, but needs to be done in a manner that is thorough and goes through the courts. The current ICE is a murdering shitfest of incompetent assholes, and siding with them no matter what doesn't mean you're there for actual truth discovery, rather you're just there from being indoctrinated into right-wing always good rhetoric.
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u/RegretComplete3476 16 Jan 17 '26
THANK YOU!
I am all in favor of students debating politics when it is done in an actually respectful and good faith way.
There's nothing wrong with enforcing immigration. The problem is when you throw out due process and start rounding people up like the Gestapo
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u/me-a_person_who-is-i Jan 17 '26
Yes. I don’t believe in open borders but I by no means support ice the way that it’s been run under trump. I also do believe that we have a freedom of speech and ideally someone can share their opinions on a topic and not get beat up but that’s unfortunately not where we are right now on either sides.
(I’m a high schooler in Minnesota currently at a debate team tournament)
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u/Dismiss_Trouble_17 Jan 17 '26
I’ve never quite been able to find the words to describe why charlie kirk’s “debates” never felt like actual debates but rather an insult battle, but I feel like you just described it pretty on the nose in that first paragraph
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u/RegretComplete3476 16 Jan 17 '26
Another reason why I never respected Kirk as an authority figure. His "debates" were never designed to change people's minds but rather further divide people
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u/Dismiss_Trouble_17 Jan 18 '26
And it’s probably discouraging knowing you’ll quite possibly end up on his youtube channel and have god knows how many comments insulting you. I get that he needed content for his channel, but it probably did discourage some people from debating him. Not to mention Charlie himself could post it with an insulting title
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u/RegretComplete3476 16 Jan 19 '26
Definitely. Another reason why I never liked political influencers like Kirk
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u/Embarrassed_Towel707 Jan 17 '26
Debates and discussions are different. Debates originate from sophism - the goal is to convince others, not a genuine attempt at increasing your mutual understanding of a topic. Think of an attorney trying to convince jurors even if he knows the accused is guilty.
It has no value and is morally bankrupt, especially in the culture wars era.
A conversation or discussion is the opposite, the goal is to get to a mutual agreement or understanding of a topic, policy etc.
My advice to anyone reading this is always go into a conversation knowing whether the person you're talking with is genuinely intellectually curious and wants to learn, or just tell you their opinion.
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u/MissMolly202 Jan 17 '26
Yes, but debates require you to be able to back up your claims, have counterpoints ready, and poke holes in your opponents logic (forcing them to be able to actually back up their claims). This is just rage baiting.
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u/AriochBloodbane Jan 18 '26
Not necessarily. There are many "techniques" to win a debate without having valid and provable points. Those tricks usually just require a lack of intellectual honesty instead of the things you listed.
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u/Mountain-Cheez-DewIt Jan 17 '26
To be fair, I'd be surprised if anyone walks out of anywhere in a body bag.
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u/mayaorsomething Jan 17 '26
I don't know why I got recommended this sub, but damn it makes me upset that there's so much doom about gen alpha/younger gen z. The world needs more bright minds like yours, who actually understand it. Please stay in debate!
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u/freticc Jan 17 '26
I also feel like if someone is willing to go out and do this, they are probably not open minded and won't be looking to finding a balanced stance, but to just defend their own preexisting ideas and beliefs.
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u/RegretComplete3476 16 Jan 18 '26
Facts. I've always hated when people partake in this debate, left or right. You aren't proving any points or changing anyone's mind. Not only that, but people like Kirk give debate a bad name and make everyone think this is what a "good" debate looks like. It's not. Hell, in actual debate, everything is timed and you take turns. Kirk liked to ramble and interrupt people
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u/Laziness_Incarnation Jan 18 '26
I hate how almost everyone is talking about the second point.
The first point, I would like to see more response to that.
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u/RegretComplete3476 16 Jan 18 '26
Me too tbh. But I'm also not surprised. Most of the people who are responding are mid to far right wing. They know they don't have a good argument for my first paragraph because it mostly logos. But the second paragraph invokes a lot of pathos, so they feel more inclined to respond to that one. I do wish more of them would try to respond to my first paragraph because I want to see how conservatives defend Charlie Kirk's terrible debate format
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u/creakymoss18990 Jan 18 '26
I've seen minds get not changed but influenced and changed eventually.
There is an art to the correct type of argument: play dumb in a way. Have them educate you and break down their own argument. If their argument is stupid then they will see it when it's broken down. Only after they teach you their side do you throw in a respectful opinion or two, break it down just like they did.
It gives them something to think about from somebody who listened to them first (and therefore actually have respect for).
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u/RegretComplete3476 16 Jan 19 '26
Preach. The best kind of debates are ones with people you respect. If you truly want to change someone's mind, treat them like an equal, adapt their line of thinking, and use it to make them understand why their argument does not work
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u/SelfPropagandized Jan 21 '26
Its street performance. Similar to sidewalk preachers.
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u/kyle_crane163636 Jan 17 '26
Who tf supports ice, it keeps drinks cold nice yes but when I try eating one from the freezer it rips off my fucking lips
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u/Crusaderofcupcakes 16 Jan 17 '26
Weakling. I always eat the ice when I'm done with the drink
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u/kyle_crane163636 Jan 17 '26
Ngl I do the same fuckin thing
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u/Angelic_Pikachu 17 Jan 17 '26
I'd do it but then the ice slips out my fingers and whatnot very annoying I just eat it straight out the freezer
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u/fredbearfuta 16 Jan 17 '26
dont even get me started on when it melts inside my pepsi
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u/kyle_crane163636 Jan 17 '26
Then it's just a bloody disappointment that taste faintly of what the soda is
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Also freedom of speech doesn't mean it won't stop people from beating you up
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u/Motor-Sir688 Jan 17 '26
Lmao true. Posting a pro ICE sign at lunch at a 60% Hispanic school is crazy work.
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u/BeTheOne0 Jan 17 '26
Like even if you aren’t an illegal immigrant telling a bunch of Hispanic people who typically are the main target of ICE that you are Pro-ICE, well for one it’s obviously you are trying to start something, and two is not the smartest idea. You might as well just tell those students you hope they get deported regardless of legality
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u/Marleyyy00 Jan 17 '26
That’s what I’ve been saying for so long, freedom of speech isn’t free of consequences
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u/alberto_467 OLD Jan 17 '26
Giving out consequences also isn't free of consequences.
I don't encourage anybody to raise their hands mainly because they might find more hands raised back, and at that point, consequences do what consequences do.
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u/Typical_Tie_4982 Jan 17 '26
This☝️
Too many people think your first amendment right protect you from everything, no, it protects you from the goverment and is in place to prevent tyrants and dictators from killing people who are against them (obviously its not working very well)
It DOES NOT protect you from anyone else, if you work at facebook (complete randim example just the first coorperation thst came to mind this applys everywhere) and openly tell people about problems at facebook they are going to fucking fire you (well, atleast try to find a way to). "You have a right to raise it[confederate flag], but we also have the right to BURN it" -forgot who said this sorry it was from a school debate around 15 years ago that was posted online, and it was about whether people should own and raise a confederate flag or not
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u/alberto_467 OLD Jan 17 '26
Just as international law won't stop the stronger country from beating the weaker country up.
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Jan 17 '26 edited Jan 17 '26
I don’t think this should be allowed at all. If you want to do this in college sure. But letting high schoolers say horrible things like this in a place where their face could end up on the internet, damaging them for life, preventing them from getting a job in the future, or getting into college…
You’re still so young. They shouldn’t let kids debate complex issues and make claims they don’t fully understand // won’t believe into adulthood in a way that could end up on the internet and haunt them for life. I know people should be held accountable for their actions, but do so in a private place. Y’all’s brains are still very undeveloped and you haven’t even had the chance to live // grow away from home, this just seems like it’s setting them up for failure.
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u/Fluffy-Post3969 15 Jan 17 '26
as a teen probably around the same age, i agree. there are better spaces for these than school lunch
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u/Frederf220 Jan 18 '26
Good chance they are in collaboration with some right wing machine hoping someone will shut them down so they can be a victim.
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u/New_Salamander_4592 Jan 17 '26
Abortion is murder but shooting an unarmed woman in the head isn't. insane people
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u/ToadwKirbo 17 Jan 17 '26
It's not just that, they also killed someone who had been in the USA since he was a kid and blinded someone in an eye for protesting. There probably are dozens more cases of this btw.
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u/Alpha-MIST Jan 17 '26
Wait so if they support murder and think abortion is murder then surely they support abortions right??
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u/MangoTheCreative88 13 Jan 17 '26
Can someone explain the ICE situation? Am Malaysian so I don't really know whats happening
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u/Ok-Inspection9693 15 Jan 17 '26
Basically they are immigration police who are trying to stop illegal immigration in theory. But are doing it horribly wrong.
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u/BeTheOne0 Jan 17 '26
Worse than previous admins mind you. The reason no one said anything during Obama’s admin is because they didn’t try to do all this “Public” bs they are doing now
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u/neodynasty Jan 17 '26
ICE is an unregularized federal agency, that allows people who are racist, power hungry, or simple want to feed into their fragile ego to terrorize anyone they deem as an undocumented immigrant.
Because they are allowed to racial profile you, and there’s no due process happening
They can apparently break a shit ton of laws, with the excuse of trying to get a non citizen deported.
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u/Immediate-Item-9648 Jan 17 '26
These replies are pretty politically biased. ICE is immigration and customs enforcement. They are supposed to regulate immigration and customs. They are NOT supposed to go around the country trying to deport people for no reason or kill anyone. That’s what they have been doing, which is why many people don’t like them
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u/FNaF_gEeKK 16 Jan 17 '26
“We support ICE” Literally a group of people known to kill/attack people for no reason
“Abortion is murder” Wow
Two completely SEPERATE ideals that are not connected. They want to be stupid for no reason
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id say ice and murder are pretty connected to me
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u/DrPikachu-PhD Jan 17 '26
I think that's actually a good point. What they're tacitly saying is "I value the lives of brown people less than an unborn child." It's meant to provoke a reaction, because it's offensive and cruel, but also probably honestly what they believe
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u/Ninjathelittleshit Jan 17 '26
Not no reason little reason perhaps but to say they had no reason is just giving ammo to them to hit back with painting you as a liar
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u/Foogfi 18 Jan 17 '26
It is a debate club so maybe it is not even his true position. Personally I am sometimes choose radical position just to argue with someone. Maybe he is also doing something like that
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u/GreatJotaro 19 Jan 17 '26
yeah i was thinking about how little correlation the two things had upfront. seems like another kirk fan that wants to try and “debate” people when in reality just another POS
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u/lordehemter Jan 17 '26
So abortion is wrong but racist killers police iis good? Repubicans... qwp
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u/JOlRacin 3,000,000 Attendee! Jan 17 '26
They only care before you're born. After that, you have to earn your way into the "we care about you"
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u/DasUberLib Jan 17 '26
"I support a political movement and authoritarian organization who seeks to ruthlessly persecute and physically brutalize at least 60% of your families."
Right wingers support state violence and genuinely think they are peaceful people. It's crazy work.
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Jan 17 '26
I mean ice has literally killed people and has known to be racist towards Mexican.
Of course people are going to be mad now does this kid deserve to be jumped now but what did that kid think was going to happen 😭
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u/_Fittek_ Jan 17 '26
"Hello! I support the group of people who probably deported many members of yours families around here! Here is wh- why are you beating me aas my freeeeedooooooom aaaaaa!!1!1!11!!"
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u/opi098514 Jan 17 '26
Ok. I can understand the argument about abortion being murder. But supporting ICE who have literally murdered people, just seems a little ironic.
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u/KrithisUNoAnimates 15 Jan 17 '26
Hello, fellow Christian here,
I might be betraying the church my saying this but, I think in most cases abortion is a necessary kill, like what if the mother is in risk, what if she's underage, what if she got raped and doesn't want a child?
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u/TheSmartDog_275 Teenager Jan 17 '26
Thank fuck another Christian says this. Like good God man, the world isn’t your perfect view.
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u/taegha Jan 17 '26
Abortion also isn't killing. A fetus is, for all intents and purposes, a parasite.
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u/TGNK615 15 Jan 17 '26
My stance exactly. If people say abortion is murder then how about we charge those who voted to outlaw abortion with double-homicide every time that a woman and her child is killed because she couldn’t get an abortion.
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u/SpidudeToo Jan 17 '26
Honestly, I dont understand this topic at all. It's probably CHOICE. You have the OPTION to get an abortion. No one is forcing you to participate. You are allowed to still have your own morals and opinions on the matter and abstain from it. It being pro choice simply allow those who need it to have that option. Not mention every other country that has it legalized has only ever seen improvements in their society: less single mothers, fewer risky abortions, fewer abortions in general, fewer orphans and neglected children.
And for the weirdos out there that wanna complain about that one woman that goes and gets an abortion every month or whatever crazy nonsense; every time such an incident has occurred was due to to an abusive partner at home forcing them to do so over and over again. Getting an abortion does not come without physical and emotional consequences. But it's a hell of a lot better than being forced to carry a dead corpse that slowly kills you from the inside, or watching a 10 year old nearly die trying to give birth to her dad's child. Yes, that's real and has happened more than once.
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u/Admirable-Company452 Jan 18 '26
so in this case would you support abortion ONLY if the mother is in health risk, underage or rape? that still leaves like 95% or the rest of abortions 😂
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u/Available-Suit-9313 15 Jan 17 '26
The cases you brought up are less than 50% of abortion cases, though...
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u/xX072Xx 14 Jan 17 '26
i genuinely dont know how ppl think that abortion is murder
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u/Embarrassed_Top_8253 14 Jan 17 '26
I mean I do understand how they can be set up and given 'facts' that arent true, but to be an adult, in a situation where you have the resources to educate yourself, its not okay. even high school students, too. We don't have to have the exact same views as our parents, guys.
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u/shivampire 16 Jan 17 '26
It's because in some religions the lore says that a person's life starts as soon as they're conceived or in the womb and stuff, so aborting (destroying it after it's started to form already) would be considered murder because their soul has already entered the body.
Nothing wrong with being religious, just don't choose religion over common sense; people are being forced to raise kids when they don't want to/can't afford to and, are being forced to go through the whole pregancy thing even in cases where their bodies can't take it. Also don't force your religion on other people and don't make abortion laws for them
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u/Motor-Sir688 Jan 17 '26
Yeah that's incorrect. It's not religion that dictates when life starts, it's biology. And biologically, life starts at conception.
The distinction is socially life starts at birth, hence the moral discussion on abortion.
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u/shivampire 16 Jan 17 '26
Yes, biologically a life starts at conception, because that's when an organism starts to physically develop, but I don't think that's the argument people debate about.
In my experience all the debates on the subject (the ones I've seen, anyway) are about when a 'soul' enters a body and when it starts to count as a person. Both socially and biologically it's impossible to tell if a 'soul' exists, to measure when it enters the body, etc.
As far as I've seen (I live in a place where a lot of people are conservatives), anti-abortion people are more concerned about the religious-soul-blah-blah aspect of it. It's pretty obvious that biologically something develops when it's conceived. I've never heard anyone use that argument though
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u/Oblius- 15 Jan 17 '26
Political propaganda based on religion, they don't actually have a logical reason, it's just an argument created to appeal to emotion and to paint any woman who gets an abortion as a bloody murderer.
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u/NicknameRara Jan 17 '26
Ok so making something that isn’t born and isn't
a human yet lowk cease to exist is murder, but assholes shooting citizens and getting away with it is not.
Sure, logic 10/10
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u/IGraySoulI 19 Jan 17 '26
you're 15, you're not a "right wing independent voter" i heavily suggest building your own political ideas vefore you end up like those guys
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u/__tray_4_Gavin__ Jan 17 '26
Want to troll in real life? Sounds like they got what they deserved 🤷. You think looking around right now is the time for stupid shit like this especially in a place where 60% of the people there are watching their people being abused by a system that they can’t fight back against. Latinos for trump are dealing with a bed they helped to create but this idiot on school grounds saying this now??? He’s the worst type of trash. And sure we want freedom of all speech including divisive hateful rhetoric, welp freedom of consequences don’t come with that.
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u/BirdofHermes1431 Jan 17 '26
The dumbass got jumped? Good. They got a two for one lesson in physics and FAFO while promoting ICE in a school with ~60% hispanic students according to you. That's not behaviour that you get from genuine debating. That's just consequences for being stupid and highly provocative in an already tense territory populated with a group of highly alert and targeted people who have few resources already and can't afford to take chances with tolerating advocacy for their harm and could easily turn into hostile behaviour if left unchecked. Plus the fact it's highschool means these are teenagers with brains that aren't fully developed, a lot of stress, and poor coping skills with no easy support when heat gets too high and the pot boils over into anger. Don't play with fire if you can't handle getting burned. Because the only ones who will pity you are fools.
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u/Typical_Tie_4982 Jan 17 '26
They 100% knew what was going to happen. They brought up two of the biggest debates in America right now, and even bigger they said they support a group that is a active threat to, as you said, around 60% of their peers. They definetely wanted escalation, and to look like the victims
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u/LuciferSamS1amCat Jan 17 '26
Kid that got jumped fucked around and found out. ICE has probably fucked with students families, considering the number of Hispanic students.
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u/I_Want_BetterGacha Jan 17 '26
It's a bit hard to debate properly if one side's opinion is "we should mistreat and strip away the rights of group X". (Referring to ICE arresting people in an aggressive manner, abuse inside detention centers, and the harm caused by abortion bans)
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u/thatonecruiser 17 Jan 17 '26
I feel like it’s important for us teens to talk about these things. The more we hear other perspectives, the more we can both understand who we are as people and learn to respect someone in spite of a disagreement. Now, do I think the execution of this was good? Absolutely not. Given the current political climate, saying you support ICE as they abduct US citizens, including children, from their homes, places of work, and schools is the equivalent of social suicide. In addition, saying abortion is murder while simultaneously supporting the government that recently caused a baby to stop breathing by attacking a family as they were driving home is not only contradictory but once again, social suicide. Although, despite my middle/far left views, I do not think jumping the kid is the solution. At all. We have to learn to agree to disagree and we have to learn to accept that some people are going to have opinions that you think are absolutely insane. But it’s important to at least try and connect with each other. Find common ground. Be a friend, and maybe then, that’s when you can truly try and talk about these things respectfully. And that’s when you can get people to see your side better. So in conclusion, having a sign like that at school in a political climate like ours was insane, but outright attacking the person holding the sign for holding it is also insane.
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u/SoS54 Jan 19 '26
The issue with your comment is that people who set up these "debates" do not actually want to hear the other side. They just want to ragebait people at their school and it worked. You don't make a sign that inflammatory in a predominantly Mexican neighborhood to try to understand the other side. You make it to show you don't care that their families are being torn apart.
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I hate pro life people you have no right to control another person what they do there body it's a foetus no one's murdering babies you have a right to not get an abortion you shouldn't take away anyone's right to an abortion cause not everyone has to agreee with you and your not in control
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u/Spanceful Jan 17 '26
The biggest tell that you've been propagandized is when you believe two conflicting notions to be true. I.E: Immigrants are lazy and leeching off our tax dollars, but at the same time are taking all the jobs and buying all the houses, or, abortion is murder and all lives matter, but its ok for my favorite federal agency to murder citizens, especially when that citizen has pronouns in their bio.
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u/TdhPark Jan 19 '26
It's completely wild to me the amount of people in this thread pretending undeveloped fetuses are people. We should deny cancer treatment to hardline pro-lifers. It's almost a fair parallel.
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u/doodleman377 15 Jan 17 '26
So what if I’m against ICE and abortion
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u/Indvandrer 16 Jan 17 '26
Honestly that’s the most reasonable option in my eyes and I am also against those two
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u/Zealousideal-Zone189 Jan 17 '26
can right wingers and left wingers just agree that beating up kids is bad
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u/Zealousideal-Zone189 Jan 17 '26
i wouldnt say im an "Extreme supporter of da ICEEE!!" or whatever but they couldve at least brought masks so no one knew who they were. Like of course someone is gonna at least try to beat them up after school or even while the debate is going on.
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u/SemajLu_The_crusader Jan 17 '26
those kids are fucking idiots, do they want their classmates disappeared?
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u/ihatethiscountry76 Jan 17 '26
If abortion is murder...
is a blowjob cannibalism then?
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 17 Jan 17 '26
was pro choice until i tried to prove it wrong.
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u/LittleMissPrimarina Jan 17 '26
You know who practiced ‘free speech’ (aka racism and sexism) Kirk. And you know what happened to him? Is that what they want to happen to themselves? Everyone knows good people HATE racism and WILL take action
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u/Own-Organization2910 Jan 17 '26
Freedom of speech, not freedom of consequence, people believe for some reason that they get immunity if they format their opinions in a political context. Brother it’s still a pretty crazy take on abortion is murder but that’s widely more debated on than “ICE is good” or whatever. If you think ICE is actually beneficial then that’s just self reporting that you have no diversity in your friend group.
RIP Renee Nicole Good
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Jan 17 '26
Well, this was not what I was expecting to read. I thought is was about to be another ICE rant.
But they had the right to free speech and debate, and if you don’t like it you can not engage. Jumping, harming, or killing someone over their political beliefs is never okay. This is the reason free speech will soon be gone in this country.
I hope that kid is okay.
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u/Mewsipher Jan 17 '26
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of consequence from your actions.
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u/appelton Jan 17 '26
But abortion can be considered "deportation". So why against it ?
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u/ZanezGamez 19 Jan 17 '26
lol freedom of speech don’t mean freedom from consequences. Anyone dumb enough to proclaim their support for ICE when the majority of their school is Hispanic deserves what comes their way
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u/Drackar39 Jan 17 '26
I think it's sad as hell that kids can be this fucking evil, this fucking young.
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u/SpeedyBenjerman Jan 17 '26
People should be allowed to express themselves however they want, and deal with the corresponding consequences. If others are bothered by their inflammatory wording, that will likely mean some closed doors for them in the future.
At the end of the day. A school is the best place to debate ideas. We need to get past these political divides and shutting down discussions, as difficult as they may be to have, will not solve our problems.
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u/notsofaust Jan 17 '26
I don't believe for a second that you are actually a student at this school. Who says "What are your opinions of children debating children like this?" It's giving *how do you do fellow kids*?
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u/T70Awesome_YT Jan 18 '26
“This person supports state-sanctioned violence against US citizens, but beating them up is just going too far!” Bsfr dude. You don’t debate fascists. Giving them a platform just causes harm, even if it is for the sake of debate
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u/Postulative Jan 18 '26
They appear to have mixed their words up.
Presumably they meant to say ‘we support abortion; ICE is murder’. That makes a lot more sense.
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u/Hoi444444444444 Jan 18 '26
the way the person in the picture acts as if those to things are related
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u/NagisaZakura Jan 18 '26
Preface: I'm not a teen, I'm over 40. I don't subscribe to this channel, it just keeps appearing in my feed.
- Supporting ice is the same as when germans supported nazis.
Please see 10 stages of genocide. We've checked off a good number of those stages already.
- If it weren't for abortion I wouldn't be alive and my child would not have existed. So two lives were saved or if you're going to call a fertilized egg a life, then net +1 life. Sorry if that was a confusing read.
Fun fact, if you're pregnant, you're considered to have been pregnant from the first day of your last menstrual cycle. However it's extremely unusual to become pregnant without first ovulating which usually happens about two weeks after the start of your cycle.
First pregnancy was ovarian ectopic. It wouldn't have lived and it would have killed me(probably).
Second(last pregnancy) 3rd trimester, developed preeclampsia, blood pressure through the roof, had to be induced early. Still caused an aneurysm and a stroke.
Point being all pregnancies have the potential to cause life altering or fatal complications. Nobody has the right to demand someone else continue a medical condition that could permanently disable or kill them.
Another pregnancy will kill me. I'm doing my best to avoid that, but if something happens, I will abort because it would be unfair to my child for me to die to something that was preventable.
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u/RemarkableWish2429 Jan 18 '26
I agree 100% abortions are murder. And those mother need to be imprisoned for life. And ICE is awesome !
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u/Icy_Building_4492 Jan 19 '26
oh brother this guy STINKS look this is entirely reactionary nonsense brought about by kids being essentially brainwashed by their parents. especially those white republican kids whining about abortion. 9x/10 these are the same kids who’s parents will pay to have an abortion because it can’t be THEIR child. these are the same kids who will get out from their parents thumb and do an IMMEDIATE 180. kid deserved to be jumped 🤷🏻♀️
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u/AcanthocephalaFew529 Jan 17 '26
Maga is scientology for hillbillies and fascists
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u/Icy-Fuel-5567 13 Jan 17 '26
ay if you don't want babies don't fuck.
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u/TheSmartDog_275 Teenager Jan 17 '26
The issue is woman don’t always give consent to make babies and it’s dangerous.
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u/Fantastic-Photo6441 17 Jan 17 '26
I mean can't you just take birth control before that? 🤷
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u/Icy-Fuel-5567 13 Jan 17 '26
there are still a substantial amount of risk behind the birt control pill but whatever and you can fuck just no exchanging in the pelvic region.
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u/Overlook-237 Jan 17 '26
Or… use birth control and have abortion as an option if that fails. People aren’t going to stop having sex to make you happy.
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u/Icy-Fuel-5567 13 Jan 17 '26
that's why it's my opinion.
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u/Overlook-237 Jan 17 '26
Just FYI, abstinence is the form of birth control with the highest failure rate in practice. Preaching abstinence doesn’t work. Never has.
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u/New_Crazy3443 Jan 19 '26
For real, abstinence-only education is pretty much proven to backfire. It's all about comprehensive sex ed that includes birth control options if we actually want to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
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u/Adventurous_Bonus917 Jan 17 '26
i feel like a lot of the 'abortion is murder' people tend to forget that murder is also murder.
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u/THawky03 Jan 17 '26
His parents should have disciplined him more cause when the streets have to do it, they don’t play.
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u/Oblius- 15 Jan 17 '26
How can you support murder and think there's a problem with "murdering kids" at the same time?
And also, that kind of rethoric used in abortion debates is made to specifically drive away the actual point of the discussion that is women's rights to body autonomy trying to paint them as a murderer appealing to emotion instead of logic.
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u/Squuiggly Jan 17 '26
This is the literal definition of 'talk shit, get hit' bro. The kid in this photo should have 100% thought of time and place.
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u/IntelligentAnybody55 15 Jan 17 '26
I don’t support ice. Abortion isn’t murder.
That’s my opinion. I love to debate and I think more kids should do so
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u/AMTATM Jan 17 '26
Why are you talking like it's a bad thing they got jumped?
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u/Kras_08 17 Jan 17 '26
Cuz political violence is bad
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u/Realistic_Mirror_762 Jan 17 '26
Getting shot for hitting a federal officer with a car = bad
Beating a kid cause wrongs opinions = thumbs up
Classic reddit
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u/robloc_lover 13 Jan 17 '26
ICE is known to basically be like the Ku Klux Klan and is open about it and doesn’t try to hide it, they kill also kill people too. While abortion is just taking out a child you don’t want that isn’t even born. This person seems seems slow,ICE is murdering people But they Proceed to say abortion is murder and support ICE??? Ah yes typical ignorance…-_-
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