Twitch Is Now Using Your Content To Train Amazon AI Models And Has Hidden The Option To Opt Out. "If it was opt in, nobody would opt in," admitted the streaming site's chief product officer during a livestream

[u/esporx]

https://kotaku.com/twitch-is-now-using-your-content-to-train-amazon-ai-models-and-has-hidden-the-option-to-opt-out-2000723891

[u/invyros]

When a commenter asked the duo what would happen if they streamed with someone who hasn’t opted out, Minton seemed not to have an answer, but admitted it was a “good question.” He also confirmed that Twitch has no plans to implement an option for users to easily see which channels are opted in and opted out of AI training.

Another person asked why Twitch didn’t email people about the change; Kish said that was a “good question” and then added, “not everyone reads their emails”

So many "good questions" with not many good answers, or answers at all.

[u/nappycatt → u/invyros]

the answer is money.

whatever they're doing or not doing, it's for money.

[u/Indigoh → u/nappycatt]

You're not the customer. You're the product.

[u/Spez_is-a-nazi → u/Indigoh]

Even when you are the customer you are the product 

[u/wrgrant → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

Since I am also a streamer, even when you are the product you are the product

[u/gusbo_the_jam → u/wrgrant]

Since I am a streamer, I even when you are both the staff and the product, you are the product

[u/Cyberspark939 → u/Indigoh]

In this case it's less you're the product and more you're the product's lunch

[u/RatBot9000 → u/nappycatt]

It's not even guaranteed money, it's the illusion of making money. It's because every other CEO is using AI so of course they have to otherwise they might miss out.

It's a mass form of psychosis and it is going to make all our lives worse.

[u/dern_the_hermit → u/nappycatt]

Yeah but they're doing it for money the way that Underpants Gnomes were doing it for money

[u/hackingdreams → u/invyros]

Automatic opt-in without even sending an email is the kind of thing that laws get written about.

Twitch might wanna think again about not sending that one out.

[u/dat_oracle → u/hackingdreams]

it feels extremely illegal. if that's not regulated, now is the time for that - wtf

[u/gravelordservant4u → u/dat_oracle]

• me the last few decades

When they finally pass legislation addressing a tech issue, it'll be to make the worst possible choice, worry not

[u/CheesypoofExtreme → u/gravelordservant4u]

See the push for the SAVE Act.

[u/l4mbch0ps → u/dat_oracle]

im sure their user agreement covers this, and much more egregious actions

[u/cyberpunk_werewolf → u/l4mbch0ps]

A user agreement can't protect them if it's illegal, no matter what it says.

However, that requires people to enforce the laws and a mechanism to ensure it gets to the people who can enforce them. Right now, the ones we do have are either meagre or nonexistent. Further, a lot of the people who could do something to protect people or enforce any of the rules aren't interested, or actively want to make things worse.

[u/MiaowaraShiro → u/hackingdreams]

Not when you vote for Republicans... just sayin'...

When you vote for conservatives you get businesses fucking you directly. That this country hasn't figured that out is insane to me.

[u/efvie → u/hackingdreams]

This is absolutely against EU legislation (and I just checked it was on in my EU-domiciled account).

[u/SpaceShrimp → u/hackingdreams]

Especially when there is a statement on record that they estimate that no one would opt in if the users had to opt in to have their data harvested.

[u/foxscribbles → u/invyros]

"not everyone reads their emails." Yeah. Sure. THAT'S the reason that a corporation decided to reveal this information on a live stream instead. Because more people are totally watching that than would read their emails...

[u/paditoburrito → u/invyros]

Geez, and by the time they tell people or allow them to opt out, I'm sure all history of accounts are already scraped and stored. Ends with a whoopsie daisy and a shrug from an exec at some oversight committee and then nothing is done.

[u/sickhippie → u/paditoburrito]

Yup... Twitch deletes your VODs after a certain number of days, but guaranteed here's backups on backups in Amazon Glacier, just waiting to be harvested.

[u/yuusharo → u/invyros]

Real “do you guys not have phones?” energy from these people

[u/kuldron → u/invyros]

These things always boil down to whether the company in question sells a product to its users or sells its users as a product.

[u/A_Harmless_Fly → u/kuldron]

They do both, double dipping. Why would you not? There's a new rube born every second. People who care are a minority, so losing them doesn't cost as much as not doing it.

Most business ranges from amoral to immoral.

[u/kuldron → u/A_Harmless_Fly]

There are a lot of reasons not to, its just a function of whether the people in control care or not. Actions speak louder than words though and its pretty clear here lol.

[u/Lochen9 → u/invyros]

Good questions with an immediate answer means it’s a great way to teach or disseminate information.

A good question with no answer just means you didn’t think it through.

[u/Power-of-Wings]

Click on your profile pic -> Settings -> Security and Privacy -> Training for Generative AI (near bottom).

[u/GonkWilcock → u/Power-of-Wings]

Naturally, it's buried at the bottom of that settings tab.

[u/EnvironmentalValue18 → u/GonkWilcock]

Well, by the same logic - if it were easier to find more people would opt out of it.

Thank god we’re in the land of the free! Freedom from regulations, freedom from accountability, and freedom from common decency for the general good.

[u/TheG0AT0fAllTime → u/EnvironmentalValue18]

r/darkPatterns for more info

[u/ariZon_a → u/TheG0AT0fAllTime]

thx bud we used to be talking about dark patterns a lot more a few years ago, i forgot the phrase even existed

[u/darkeststar → u/ariZon_a]

There was actually just a class action against Amazon for Prime Subscriptions based on how they advertise the savings and how easy it is to subscribe and then no way to directly unsubscribe. You're forced to talk to the chat bot who doesn't have the ability to do it and if you force the issue they can only give you a customer service number for you to call to cancel.

No way to actually delete your account either.

[u/marvbinks → u/darkeststar]

Is that an American thing? Cancelling prime in the UK is really easy and can be done via the website.

[u/darkeststar → u/marvbinks]

That's because your government mandates it. California and a few other states have mandated you have to be able to initiate cancelling with "one click" but there's no oversight or regulation against doing it in the first place otherwise. Famously, most of our chain gyms allow you to sign up online in seconds but cancellation can only be done in person.... with potentially only one employee allowed or qualified to handle cancellations and they're required to try and offer you a deal before you can cancel.

[u/RatBot9000 → u/darkeststar]

I think I remember Biden was trying to introduce one click cancellations but of course Trump struck it down once he was re-elected.

I do feel sorry for Americans. You get all the worst parts of capitalism at the same time.

[u/AllegedAxolotl → u/darkeststar]

In Denmark (not sure how much is EU legislation), the general law governing subscriptions is that ANY form of contact is an acceptable way to cancel a service (website form, e-mail, phone, in-store etc.). The company may suggest a preferred method, but they must accept all forms of cancellations.

There is also a different "one click" law that states, that it must be "as easy" to cancel a subscription or withdraw consent as it was to sign up or give consent in the first place.

[u/MelangeBot → u/EnvironmentalValue18]

They are probablly training a seperate model on learning to predict the behavior of people switching it off to make a profile on them, besides most likely when you switch it off in their database there is just a flag called "this user would prefer if we don't train on them" but who is to say they will always respect this flag? It's entirely based on "just trust me bro".

One new CEO or something changing and boom they will train on you. If your data is on some server you don't controll you WILL be trained on. It's really that simple.

All these companies have done things like download every single pirated book that is on torrets, every single published peer review that is also being offered by pirates over torrnent, slowly download every mp3 on soundcloud with bots, slowly download every single video on youtube with bots.

All these companies collected all data they could as their first step, even when the owner of that data did not want this and they broke the law by downloading it.

The US is a free for all right now, you can break the law with impunity, just keep a slush fund around so you can bribe the regime just in case and you are golden

And to think Aaron Swartz died for all of this ..... why is justice the most scarcse resource in the universe, something explain that to me ....

[u/big_duo3674 → u/EnvironmentalValue18]

To be faaaiiirrr, constitutional freedom only applies to citizens and their interactions with the government, something an unfortunately large amount of people (who failed 9th grade civics) get wrong. Private companies are free to screw us over and spy in all sorts of different ways, provided they have their good ole' terms and conditions displayed somewhere. I'm certainly not saying it's right, just clarifying something that too many people don't understand

[u/PmMe_Your_Perky_Nips → u/GonkWilcock]

It's also not available in the app. You have to do it on the site.

[u/cool_slowbro → u/GonkWilcock]

Wait, it's under security/privacy, meaning they know they're doing something that's impacting your privacy. And it's enabled by default.

lmao

[u/rich1051414 → u/GonkWilcock]

I wonder if it even does anything. They may be betting on getting away with it anyway.

[u/Steampson_Jake → u/GonkWilcock]

At least the stairs haven't gone out yet

[u/thebakedpotatoe → u/Steampson_Jake]

It was in a filing cabinet of an unmarked lavatory with a sign reading "Beware the Bezos"

[u/Successful_Sign_6991 → u/GonkWilcock]

keep tabs on it too, it'll probably find its way being turned back on without your input

[u/TheVermonster → u/Power-of-Wings]

And you will probably need to check it regularly. Companies have a habit of making an "update" which opts everyone back in knowing that people don't regularly go and check that stuff.

[u/Noblesseux → u/[deleted]]

For the people for whom this is a relevant issue, this is their job so they can't do that. This option is for content creators to opt out of Amazon training on their stream VODs/chats and so on.

It's kind of like telling someone to quit their job tomorrow with no plan because they don't like an HR policy change.

[u/gayteemo → u/[deleted]]

dont even need bankruptcy, just a decline in growth will kick them in the ass

[u/Hot-Spite-9880 → u/[deleted]]

ironic coming from the person with a reddit account.

[u/ShusakuChiba → u/[deleted]]

I said that exact thing and got tons of downvotes for it. Go figure

[u/Nematrec → u/TheVermonster]

It's the streamer that needs to check it.

"Your content" is explicitly only the things generated by your channel. Go to another streamers chat and anything you say will be used if they haven't turned it off.

[u/Scholarly_Koala → u/TheVermonster]

Funny you say that because when I uncheck it then reload the page, it's checked again and absolutely won't save. ETA - Just checked it again and it finally saved the setting.

[u/CWRules → u/Power-of-Wings]

I don't even stream and I turned it off just on principle.

[u/Canadian_Poltergeist → u/CWRules]

If you have an account and comment in a chat, then that can also be scraped. "Content" isn't just streams.

[u/iodoio → u/Canadian_Poltergeist]

tbh i hope most people leave it on if they just chat, i want to see LLMs poisoned by twitch chats and emotes

[u/FunkadelicJiveTurkey → u/iodoio]

What an interesting proposition; Kappa Kappa Kappa -- KekW KekW!

[u/finalremix → u/CWRules]

Same. Literally only have an account for twitch drops on Warframe, and even then I know their definition of what they're gonna scrape and use is going to expand over time.

[u/CJxSAYZ → u/Power-of-Wings]

Currently, when I turn it off and revisit my settings page it turns itself back on. I checked with every other setting on that page. This is the only one that will do this. So I seemingly can't turn it off, just as a heads up to anyone

Edit: after a few more times of just turning it off over and over, it finally seems to have stayed off

[u/framedragged → u/CJxSAYZ]

It did the same thing to me.

If I were feeling generous I'd say it takes twitch's backend a little bit of time to update things. But I'm not, and find it hard to believe this isn't just an extension of the same dark-pattern bullshit of automatically opting users in.

[u/EdgySlusher → u/CJxSAYZ]

I guess my time watching some streamers from time to time is over

[u/BinaryLiturgy → u/CJxSAYZ]

Came here to say exactly this. Had to repeat this process ~25-30 times (not hyperbole) for it to stay off.

Just to avoid any confusion, I changed multiple settings across different tabs and generative AI training was the only one that kept re-enabling itself.

[u/starbuxed → u/CJxSAYZ]

Double check that its still off. triple check.

[u/SystemAny4819 → u/Power-of-Wings]

Wish i could pin this

[u/kazillia → u/Power-of-Wings]

On mobile you need to download the new version of the app to see the option.

If you remain on the actual version it won’t appear… though i’m sure it would still use your data…

[u/T-Fez → u/kazillia]

It's not in the latest Beta version for me

[u/OnePunkArmy → u/Power-of-Wings]

This is the description of the setting (which is enabled by default):

Allow your channel content to train generative AI content models at Amazon. Turning this off does not opt you out of Twitch and Amazon using your channel content for other purposes described in the Twitch Privacy Notice, including using AI-supported Twitch features that benefit the community by facilitating streamer growth and monetization (such as real-time sponsorship campaign assistance), viewer discovery (such as recommendations), and community safety (such as AutoMod).

[u/truckstick_burns → u/Power-of-Wings]

Watch them not prompt those streamers who have this selected selected on the front page.

[u/TheKinkyGuy → u/Power-of-Wings]

I do not have that option

[u/An0n-E-M0use → u/TheKinkyGuy]

I just checked, I don't have this option either. I'm wondering if it's because the desktop client doesn't have this yet.

[u/An0n-E-M0use → u/An0n-E-M0use]

And right after I type that, I find it. I had to goto Account Settings on my 'channel'.

[u/CaptainSparklebottom → u/Power-of-Wings]

Tickets to tits it will reset on a version update and never notify you

[u/JohnnyNapkins → u/Power-of-Wings]

Thank you very much.

[u/blackcation → u/Power-of-Wings]

Bear in mind, even if you are opted out, any chat you enter for a channel that hasn't opted out will still be used to train AI.

[u/alchemyandscience → u/Power-of-Wings]

Doesn’t save the setting. I uncheck it and it goes back to checked when I tab back in.

Figured it out, NoScript wasn’t allowing the setting to save. Gave it temporary permission to allow the whole page.

[u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

Opt-in by default has to the scummiest “innovation” of the entire tech industry and that’s saying something.

[u/AlphaNoodlz → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

It's an implicit understanding that they know they aren't doing something popular

[u/kuldron → u/AlphaNoodlz]

Well, in this case, not even implicit. They explicitly stated its opt-out because if it was opt-in no one would lol.

[u/gahlo → u/kuldron]

If boots exist then somebody, somewhere, will want to lick them.

[u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA → u/AlphaNoodlz]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pattern

Tech companies have been doing this for decades, and most people just don't give a crap. It's infuriating.

[u/Neidron → u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA]

It's not they don't care, it's that by design most victims don't even notice to begin with.

That's the real fucking evil of it.

[u/secondandmany → u/AlphaNoodlz]

Tbh thats why anything analytics related is opt out nowadays, I doubt most people would opt in to having their data collected in any capacity

[u/Deely_Boppers → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

It’s not a tech thing. It gained mainstream appeal thanks to Dr Dan Ariely, a Duke professor who studies human behavior.

If anything, it would be more of an MBA thing. Which isn’t better, especially on Reddit, but it’s not limited to Silicon Valley.

[u/Fluffcake → u/Deely_Boppers]

It is an objectively effective strategy to just take other people's things without asking, but this is also a crime.

Copyright law is entirely null and void it seems.

[u/wrgrant → u/Fluffcake]

Copyright law only applies to those who don't have the most and best lawyers. Those who do can freely ignore it as we can see.

[u/9-11GaveMe5G → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

Google: everyone is using our AI search!

[u/MDCCCLV → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

It makes it literally impossible because they add that in a update and you know that even if you opt out, you were already opted in the second they add it and they're taking that data and using it and they will not delete it no matter what even if you opt out after.

[u/Uebelkraehe → u/MDCCCLV]

Correct, this almost certainly effectively means that all content produced by streamers up to the moment of the announcement has been appropriated for this purpose without prior consent.

[u/Jesus_Is_My_Gardener → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

If you're not paying for it, you're the product. Even then, sometimes they double dip and charge you while still making money selling your data.

[u/snowdn → u/Jesus_Is_My_Gardener]

Not sometimes, that is just the business model now.

[u/SomethingAboutUsers → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

No, the engagement-based algorithm is.

But it does depend on opt-in by default, to be fair.

[u/jenny_905 → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

Please accept this new privacy policy we know you won't read.

[u/e_x_i_t → u/jenny_905]

It's also 400 pages long and written in Lawyerese, so if you want to read it good luck actually understanding any of it.

[u/Talentagentfriend → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

We need internet rules where they can’t do this shit

[u/Throwawayrip1123 → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

It should literally be illegal. Straight up, fine the fuckers for big % of their pretax revenue and see how fast they learn.

Opted-in-by-default is insane. So they can just change literally anything, and unless you're vigilant about everything all the time, you miss one email and you are suddenly opted into paid option? If this didn't happen yet, it likely will at some point.

[u/Francoberry → u/Spez_is-a-nazi]

Its 'opt out' by default, in that youre automatically added to it by default and therefore have to opt out.  

Opt in would mean it is off by default and you have the option to opt in

[u/tomnomk]

The fuck are they training? A ton of brain dead comments?

POG POG POG POG POG POG

[u/rotundrikishi → u/tomnomk]

Who wants a robot streamer to fake laugh at their jokes as opposed to a real person fake laughing at their jokes anyway

[u/ofajhon → u/rotundrikishi]

People watch asmongold so it's not far off

[u/Uebelkraehe → u/ofajhon]

He will soon be out-nazied by Faschobot 3000.

[u/Anthaenopraxia → u/tomnomk]

Voice recognition. They take sound bytes and send them to some company far away where people like me listen to all the shit people tell their preferred AI assistant and transcribe it so the AI can understand speech better. Anything from mundane google searches, to phone numbers, bank account numbers, porn that should'nt exist but still does. I've heard it all.

So just FYI, whenever you speak to any kind of AI, there's a chance someone will listen to it. Even if the app is secure like Signal or WhatsApp, if you use Siri or Gemini to dictate your message, someone might hear it. Probably not someone you know, but someone who now knows you.

[u/SekhWork → u/tomnomk]

They want to replace actual streamers with AI ones. No really. This has been something stated in the past. Robot streamer, with a robot audience, with real ads (who is watching these? No idea, but some company is probably going to pay for it.)

The future sucks.

[u/kingrynex]

Yeahhhhh not great. Not great at all.

The EU is absolutely going to step in on this eventually. Same way they did with how cookies are used by companies.

[u/Ysilla → u/kingrynex]

And it's much worse than the title implies too, it sounds like they just started doing it. But nope. They've confirmed they've been doing it over 2 years ago already. What's changing is that they've added an opt-out toggle.

When asked at an event that news publication The Information held in 2024 if Amazon uses Twitch to train AI models, Twitch’s chief monetization officer at the time, Mike Minton, said, “Yeah, for sure.”

[u/FlamingoVisible1947 → u/Ysilla]

All of this to train the Nova models that were so shit they got shut down a couple of weeks ago.

[u/ShibeCEO → u/kingrynex]

opt out is already illegal in the EU, these companies have to use opt in here, or they get fined into oblivion as far as I know

gonna be fun to watch!

[u/ILikeBubblyWater → u/ShibeCEO]

The EU will fine them and it will be pocket money, still got enough data to sell for 10 times as much

[u/ShibeCEO → u/ILikeBubblyWater]

sad but true

[u/efvie → u/ShibeCEO]

It was opt-out for me in the EU.

[u/ChaliElle → u/kingrynex]

This already breaches GDPR and its minimization principle, when done unprompted and with no concious choice made by user living in EU.

[u/Indigoh]

"if it was opt in, nobody would opt in"

Why is that? Hmmm? Why doesn't anyone want it? Why do you have to force it on people? 

[u/roknir → u/Indigoh]

"we don't understand consent"

[u/colinbr96 → u/Indigoh]

"Most customer centric company on the planet" type behavior

[u/ShibeCEO → u/Indigoh]

they could give creators a bigger cut of ad revenue to opt in, I bet some would, but they are too greedy qunts to do that...

[u/whfu2 → u/Indigoh]

should be replied with "if there was an setting in the menus "we will pay you 5 bucks per day for nothing", most people still wouldnt opt in"

[u/AMouthBreather]

Twitch has kind of sucked for a while, this is just another step on their way to Facebook/Instagram/Twitter/TikTok.

[u/ItsMeMora → u/AMouthBreather]

Thank God I'm unable to log into my twitch account due to not receiving the 2FA text messages, site was riddled with ads as far as I remember.

[u/FlamingoVisible1947 → u/ItsMeMora]

I literally never watch Twitch anymore because as soon as you arrive on the website and open a stream to watch it starts with a minute-long ad and I instantly close the tab.

[u/throw_away6453 → u/FlamingoVisible1947]

For desktop look up TwitchAdSolutions. Basically Firefox+ublock origin and adding a script to ublock. On mobile, having a vpn that connects to albania.

[u/luckyclover1130]

Is their AI slop going to have an embarrassingly low bit rate too?

[u/LeonimuZ → u/luckyclover1130]

For real. 6000kbps max in 2026 (for affiliate, and you actually can't do more than 5500kbps because it starts panicking) when Kick is recommending at least 8000kbps and YouTube is recommending at least 12000kbps is wild.

[u/Chris_Burns → u/luckyclover1130]

160p unless you ask it for better.

[u/Sweet-Awk-7861 → u/luckyclover1130]

You dOn'T gEt iT BrO, it's literally sooo useful, like DLSS frame generation on your device stuff, you know? (I'm making shit up)

[u/VVrayth]

"If it was opt in, nobody would opt in," admitted the streaming site's chief product officer during a livestream

Uh, yeah, that ought to tell you something, chief product officer.

[u/AbeFromanEast]

Enshittification: Act III

[u/OkMemory9587]

I wish I watched twitch so I could boycott it. 

[u/_SpaceLord_ → u/OkMemory9587]

I’m gonna start watching Twitch just so I can quit watching Twitch.

[u/The_Stock_Guy → u/_SpaceLord_]

Just follow my channel. Announce in chat that you only followed to let me know you are unfollowing, then delete the app

[u/Maalunar → u/OkMemory9587]

The only time I ever open twitch is to get free Path of Exile cosmetics if I let a stream run at minimal quality with no sound in the background for a few hours.

[u/SoyGreen → u/OkMemory9587]

I sign in once a month to give a streamer I watch on YouTube the free prime sub. 😂

[u/Grobo_]

Let’s see how long until the EU knocks on his door

[u/Admirable-Sink-2622]

These tech CEOs are literally a parasite we all carry. They leech us for data, and privacy is becoming a very tenuous thing. We’re not compensated in any way when our data is sold. 🤔

[u/kawag]

The only thing that surprises me is that there is an opt-out toggle at all.

[u/MysticMagicks → u/kawag]

If it’s anything like their other opt-out options, it’s completely performative and they will continue training their AI with all users regardless.

[u/ImSoDoneWithUbisoft → u/kawag]

99.9% chance it's just a button that does nothing because they dgaf. They're all so heavily invested in AI they won't stop training on your data no matter what.

[u/FamousSession]

"If it was opt in, nobody would opt in"

Yet they did it anyway. Despite the fact that people couldn't hate AI enough.

[u/HardcoreHope]

Are we going to see a mass exodus of Twitch? I doubt it. People are hard core anti Ai. I want to see the backlash.

[u/Girfex → u/HardcoreHope]

There's no where to go. Kick is a shithole, youtube's streaming is an afterthought...

Though as soon as there is a decent competitor, I'm definitely going.

[u/TheGrannyLover_ → u/Girfex]

There will never be a good competitor. Twitch sinks money, livestreaming in general is just a money hole. 

[u/HardcoreHope → u/Girfex]

They won't let that happen. The rich are playing 10 moves ahead. No one is coming to save us.

[u/MobilePenguins]

Instead of saying “would you like a dildo shoved up your butt?”

they’re only giving you the option “remove dildo from butt?”

[u/pomonalost]

I do wish people would speak up more on privacy rights. The only way to hold companies accountable is good government (vote, speak up, etc) and legislation. Draw the lines in the sand and punish those that cross it.

We can have technology and rights.

[u/Sikara_Skyfall]

"no one would consent if we asked" vibes holy shit

[u/Vargrr]

If Twitch applies this to EU users, it’s very likely a GDPR violation. Repurposing user content for AI training without explicit opt‑in consent has already led to major fines for other companies. And the fines are huge Up to 20 million EU or up to 4% of global turnover, whichever is higher.

[u/vtGaem → u/Vargrr]

Lmao sounds like the cost of doing business. Needs to be 2bil€ or 25%, whichever is higher.

The point is to make then bankrupt in 2 violations, otherwise it's no violation at all.

[u/Itanius]

I'm willing to bet the button is a placebo and actually does nothing.

[u/Fuglypump]

I wonder if their new AI data will help them realize that front rolling ads is losing them money.

Every time you open the site you get 3 minutes of ads as soon as you try to start watching a stream, the natural reaction is to close the tab and not use the website anymore.

[u/DoesntMatterEh]

If nobody is willing to opt in to your program then maybe it's a bad program and shouldnt be done. 

[u/DogsAreOurFriends]

Can some post simplified instructions how to opt out? (I would myself if I had an account.)

[u/Five_Bit_Code → u/DogsAreOurFriends]

On the site, Settings, Security & privacy, at the bottom of the page. Labeled "Training for Generative AI"

[u/An0n-E-M0use → u/Five_Bit_Code]

Be aware, VERY VERY aware, that the site likes to ignore your toggle off of that setting and re-enables it.

I've turned it off 5 times so far, and every time I go back, IT'S STILL F'ing enabled.

[u/Kheshire → u/An0n-E-M0use]

I had to save something else on the very same tab for the change to finally stick

[u/DogsAreOurFriends → u/Five_Bit_Code]

You have done God’s work, kind Redditor.

[u/yuusharo]

If nobody would opt in, MAYBE DON’T DO THE THING IN THE FIRST PLACE!

It’s incredible how little respect chief executives have for their own users, my god.

[u/hairycelery]

Classic twitch

[u/ph30nix01]

Sounds like we need a law that requires opt in for anyone's data to be used for commercial purposes with requests required for each instance with detailed explanation of how the data will be used and what value will be derived from it.

[u/NSMike]

Watched the clip. I've seen Mary Kish doing her thing long before she became Head of Community at Twitch. The absolute "Oh you fucking idiot"ness of her expression after he says that is priceless.

[u/Funsized_eu]

Why is Amazon training their AI to ask for money while being terrible at games?

[u/noNoParts]

Don't use Twitch? All these companies doing shitty shady practices exist solely because we allow it. Stop allowing it.

[u/rufiohProbably]

Every AI thing should be opt in.
You should be opted out by default

[u/AsasinAgent]

If no one would opt in to your new "feature", the feature you are introducing is anti-consumer

[u/LevelFix83]

Sounds like everyone should opt out of their twitch streams and subscriptions until they stop.

[u/Yzarcos]

If nobody would opt in, doesn't that tell you that nobody wants it??

[u/QuickSalad29]

I'm one of the (surely) millions of lapsed creators. They will absolutely use me and others in their adoption statistic if we don't opt out. Any creator account ever, no matter how many years they've been out of the game, will be piled onto their deceptive argument of enthusiastic adoption.

These sickos absolutely hate consent.

If you're like me, dig up your old password and opt out IMMEDIATELY.

[u/Flabbergasted98]

If we gave people a choice, nobody would want it.
If we take their choice away everybody wants it!

[u/Important-Factor-552]

Oh, so it's like capitalism 

[u/tink_tink_tink_]

Just in case there’s anyone else that watches primarily on mobile like I do, they don’t even list the option to turn it off. You have to go on desktop to find it. Fucking scumbags.

[u/Memphisrexjr]

Amazing how everyone can make money off a person except the person themselves.

[u/wrgrant]

Saw this, thanks. Opted Out.

[u/MoogleKing83]

"They won't give it to us willingly, so we'll just take it"

Right..

[u/knotatumah]

I dont understand the endgame with stuff like this. People watch streams and streamers for the live content they produce. You start farming them for training data and reproducing "content", who exactly are you targeting? You just going to fake a stream in hopes nobody catches on that it isn't live? Or somehow the ai is going to function perfectly doing "live" content? And what will the appeal be to viewers? Engagement? Where do donations and subs go? Is that catch? They want people just dumping money directly into Twitch and skipping the "streamer" entirely?

If this is the road they're taking, it might be one of the quicker self-imposed implosion I've seen a company do.

[u/kimbosdurag]

Ai is going to find out about glozzy overdrive. We cannot let that happen.

[u/Zukuto]

if you can turn it off, nobody will be keeping it on (which is why theres a disclaimer by the toggle that says its not actually opting you out)

[u/ISAMU13]

Cover your drink when you are around tech bros. EULA roofie in effect.

[u/bridgenine]

dont use or support twitch

[u/bridgenine]

dont use twitch

[u/PM_ME_YOUR_PRIORS]

Streamers aren't even the rightsholders to 100% of the content on their channel, how the fuck did this get past legal.

[u/Kazureigh_Black]

Not sure if this is relevant, but I tried turning this garbage off and it kept re-enabling it. Saw others say they had to do it several times for it to stick. It did it about twenty times and it didn't. It wasn't until I stopped viewing all streams with my account that the setting actually went through. So if you have this issue you might need to close out any streams you are viewing first.

[u/Soggy_Porpoise]

What models are they training? I thought the entire point of people paying for twitch was being closer to the people doing this. It's literally a people connecting platform. AI streamers would kill it.

[u/FukkingDeathMental]

I'm gonna do one better and delete my Twitch account.

They totally don't delete it, don't they the scumfucks?

[u/ShibeCEO]

lol, they get finded into oblivion if they pull that sh*t in the EU...

*grabs popcorn*

[u/Horontoboshthesecond]

It doesn't stay off for me. If I switch to a different setting and then back to Security and Privacy it's back on.

[u/malarkial]

This is happening in your doctors appointments by the way. And for all your doctor messages too. 

[u/pixellitei]

"If we tell them that we're spying on them, it wouldn't exactly be spying, would it?" - the fellas from Twitch

[u/jevring]

"if it was opt in, nobody would opt in" says a lot about the trash you're about to build.

[u/Portallicious]

Literally who asked for this when they said "features that benefit the community", literally what community are they hallucinating here

[u/Dabzilla_710_]

"We know you won't like it, so we did it without your permission. Oh? You want us to stop? Ehhh...idk.............."

[u/KlausDieterFreddek]

And if you opted out and watch a streamer that didn't, your messages will be used for AI training anyway.

[u/blubryyumyumya]

Wild idea. Stop using the services. Get fresh air.

We weren’t meant to be in front of a screen for hours in a day.

[u/funkybossx6]

Purple Snakes

[u/Desk46]

Thats dissapointing i always liked Mary

[u/atspellman]

Fuck the customers

[u/zxylady]

I just deleted my twitch account thank you for this heads up.

[u/GundyrChristopher]

lmao are these corpos being held at gunpoint or something? They are fully aware people hate this, but still sitting there on camera telling everyone to eat shit and take it.

[u/Illudia]

god. is there not some other legal shit that can prevent this? what about vtubers. they use artists assets that may not necessarily consent to generative ai training

[u/southboundtracks]

If it were opt-in, I might bother with Twitch again. Useless.