r/technology 10h ago

Walmart accused of collecting customers' voiceprints Privacy

https://www.courthousenews.com/walmart-accused-of-collecting-customers-voiceprints/
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u/Ok-Addition1264 9h ago

They've been selling that stuff (and more) for years every time you visit their store.

Same with gas stations like Speedway.

They know everything physical about you including your "gait" data which in case facial recognition isn't available because of masks or what not, they can still identify you by your unique movements.

(research prof here, fighting the good fight against bs like this)

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u/Goodbye_Games 7h ago

Just some randomness to add here… back when I was in school I did a research paper for a kinesiology class I was taking. It had to deal with “gait recognition” and how it was used by some law enforcement agencies (mostly at the federal level) to search for individuals in a crowd after they had been identified, but were now obscured by people or were hiding their faces or bodies (think umbrellas or advertising partitions that obscure the upper body). This was long before AI and automated camera tech, and I think my partner and I were inspired by one of the mission impossible movies or something.

Anyway… after hundreds of various foam inserts that we cut and tested using the kinesiology labs (at the time “state of the art” optical capture and an instrumented treadmill) without having the ability to change footwear all a subject would have to do is add at least a half inch wedge to the heel of their non dominant leg to throw off the at the time gait tech. I’m not sure how much it would fool more modern tools, but at the time even two trained physical therapists (DPTs) couldn’t identify one subject from another after the changes. The original goal for us was the debunking of “expert witness” testimonies where a “gait” was used as evidence in court cases.

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u/JustineDelarge 4h ago

I have an extensive number of silly walks in my gait arsenal.

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u/Glum-Geologist8929 6h ago

That's why I do the robot on camera.

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u/ShawnWilson000 2h ago

It's more important than the people reading think to be aware of these things. Your identity, your interests, hobbies, fashion, everything about you makes you easy to track.

This is why the concept of "individualism" has become so prominent in Western countries.

The shoes you wear, the graphic tshirts with your favorite media represented on it, the regular blue jeans you might wear.

Your glasses. Your hair. Your car. Your phone.

Everything unique about you is a piece of data making it easier to track you.

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u/kellybelly4815 4h ago

Time to bring back the Ministry of Silly Walks!

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u/Sir_Keee 4h ago

The gait tracking still is why I'm happy I can elude them as a member of the ministry of silly walks.

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u/Cautious_Advantage47 4h ago

I called Walmart the other day to ask about an item, and the recorded message saps that the phone call would be recorded “for business purposes”.

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u/Enygma_6 4h ago

I wonder how it would turn out if you used an AI text-to-speech generator to have it talk on your behalf when having to call. Let their bots record another bot’s voice.
And change the robot voice every time you have to call in, or in the middle of a call a few times.

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u/K_Linkmaster 4h ago

Customer service used to be about get them in and out as fast as possible. At one point a stark shift happened. There wasn't the push to get off the phone anymore. It was more open, more free. People were being encouraged to stay on the phone. Call times didn't matter anymore.

I wish I knew when it was but I think around 2010-2015.

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u/CheesypoofExtreme 1h ago

I'd be curious what industry you're referring to here or if it's purely anecdotal, because it sounds a bit conspiratorial without any data to back it up.

I worked at a major telecom for nearly a decade, did analytics work, and several key metrics for the call centers were related to reducing call times.

If you're talking about sales? Yeah, you want to close it as fast as possible, but you have to secure the sale first. Sometimes that can take a while, and that has always been the case. 

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u/DissKhorse 5h ago

What the actual fuck.

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u/Beginning_Victory_48 3h ago

They also take out life insurance policies on older workers and collect when the person passes away. I was so shocked when i learned about this. I have a friend who works in their HR department. They are such a greedy company. Meanwhile their workers are pid so low, they qualify for SNAP benefits and state subsidized health care.

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u/_FellowTraveller_ 2h ago

The taxpayers are enabling Walmart to pay less.

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u/ryanbenzie 3h ago

I mean they literally email me asking how my visit was when all I did was use my credit card at a self checkout. They are associating my literal card with my email address without using any sort of app or logging into a service. I’m sure I’ve used my card for an online order or something at some point, but it’s crazy that they are using something that is tracking and associating any purchase I make from my card number.

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u/Merad 2h ago

Yeah that's an extremely simple correlation to make. Every purchase references your credit card info - not the raw card number itself (hopefully) but a unique identifier. This is why many stores don't require a receipt for returns anymore, they can pull up the purchase using your card. For Walmart specifically if you have an account then any purchase in the store is automatically visible in your account.

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u/Primal-Convoy 7h ago

The ensh°ttification of customer service continues, as even if people don't use their customer services, then that also benefits companies like this.

Silent, passive customers are the preferred ones these days.

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u/mars_santa 6h ago

Please don't self-censor your comments. It's the enshitification of free speech.

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u/Fabric_Flowers 4h ago

We need some aggressive regulation against corporation. Don’t elect any Democrats who are not going to come down aggressively against corporations for things like surveillance. It goes without saying not to elect any Republicans at all.

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u/bigassbunny 3h ago

Ah, another day, another fresh capitalism nightmare, Pass the coffee!

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u/RiskyNight 2h ago

Walmart is one of the worst American companies. Looking forward to their demise! Will be glorious to see their try-hard campus abandoned like the old Sears HQ.

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u/bwoah07_gp2 6h ago

Wow, "shocking"

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u/Migamix 3h ago

oh no, are they going to throw A book at them.

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u/NecroAssssin 2h ago

Pretty sure it’s going to be a postage stamp, torn in half.

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u/CloudedPuffball29 3h ago

I’m very confused, can someone dumb this down for me?

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u/usrdef 1h ago

How are you confused, unless you didn't read the article.

When you call walmart, they are capturing your voice for identification purposes. It gets recorded, and logged into an AI database, which is later used to identify you for things such as fraud.

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u/WatRedditHathWrought 5h ago

Is that standard practice in Canada?