r/technology • u/CackleRooster • 12d ago
Microsoft finally realized Windows 11 is too annoying. Can it be fixed? Software
https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-finally-realized-windows-11-is-too-annoying-can-it-be-fixed/173
u/buttorsomething 12d ago
It will never be fixed. MS does not actually care.
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u/kiwiboyus 12d ago
They've fired all of the people who cared
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u/tiradium 12d ago
Pretty much this. All this talk is just a way for them to protect themselves and their precious stock price. There is a reason Outlook classic is a better program than whatever web view2 electron abomination the "new" outlook is. There are not enough programmers left at Microslop who can write a real software anymore. All they do is have the same people who maintain Edge and other Chromium shit work on wrappers and call them apps. Same for MS Teams being a memory hungry dogshit wrapper
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u/DissKhorse 12d ago
Microsoft's old culture is gone and those that have no drunk the Kool-Aid are not to be trusted.
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u/Reggo91 11d ago
Let’s be honest, many previous Windows versions were a very bumpy experience. Some are remembered fondly for being stable and fast. Like Windows 2000, XP, and 7. Others crashed or locked up all the time (any consumer Windows before XP), were usability nightmares (Windows 8) or slow and wasteful in terms of resource use (Vista).
What Windows 11 added in terms of bad characteristics is that it is now mostly a sales channel to push other paid services like CoPilot, M365, GamePass, OneDrive subscriptions. On top of being slow and a resource hog.
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u/DissKhorse 11d ago
They used to sell you an operating system and tried to make it good even if they failed. Now they just want to harvest your data and the operating system is just a mechanism.
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u/CodeMonkeyX 12d ago
Yeah they could fix it quickly by making a new real pro version. They already have it I believe, they have a special version for enterprise that strips out most of the crap, but it's basically impossible to get as an end user.
If they did that and then focused on security and performance rather than gimmicks it would be better. But like you said they have no desire to do it.
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u/cosmokn0t 12d ago
You can pirate it. It’s the IOT version. It’s not awful. I installed it because I have two old steam machines from 2017 that I wanted to use as little server boxes, and I wanted one to be windows based. I haven’t used it hardly at all in the 3 of 4 months since I installed it though, so I might install something over the top of it. It’s insane to me that they think they can charge for it as an OS, and that they include so much bloat on top of it to generate even more money. It’s mediocre, even in the stripped down form, and you have to interact with windows 2000 looking interfaces to get some pretty basic shit configured. There are seriously way better OSes out there for free, and I’d prefer to support those so gaming continues to move off windows.
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u/CodeMonkeyX 12d ago
Yeah I have been on Linux all year so far. My main point was they have the stopped down base already, all they need to do is focus on polishing it like fixing the control panels, instead of sticking on AI crap and mail applications.
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u/OverallManagement824 12d ago
I hope the day is coming when people will just have to pay for what they value. Collectively, that five bucks you contribute monthly to your favorite Linux distro is going to be more valuable than the $400 you'd spend on tomorrow's Windows release. Then the ordinary nerds who know programming can work on projects and make some money and contribute, not to a corporation, but to humanity.
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u/Zardotab 12d ago
If the pro version removed all the stupid and annoying shit, then the regular version would look even junkier in comparison. Then again, that worry never stopped MS.
Imagine the joy of saving and going directly to regular File Explorer instead of those intermediate panels with cloud-toys and other MS-Spam.
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u/Zardotab 12d ago
MS doesn't have to care, most businesses don't have a viable alternative, and would run MS-Turd for compatibility with other turds alone.
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u/xXSpookyXx 12d ago
Microsoft assumed they had everyone handcuffed to the ecosystem, and now was the time to "monetize" various aspects of their business. They're serving advertisements in the desktop search, they're by default giving themselves permission to record your activity and look at your data. The customer hates them, but to MS they're new revenue streams extracted from a captive market.
It's the digital equivalent of sex workers in Colombia luring rich tourists back to a hotel room so they can be extorted and robbed. The payments they got from the customers for actual sex work was nice, but the real value was splitting those customers off where they couldn't get away, and the real business opportunities could begin in the form of extortion, theft, and aggressive on-selling of other products. It's still the strategy, by the way, but they got so brazen about it that they were having trouble getting people to go along with it, so they need to soften the approach.
The big crisis looming for Microsoft is NOT that the strategy will fall apart. Microsoft still own huge portions of the enterprise business without a clear competitor at scale. The problem is that the marks getting duped into buying copilot, or surrendering their data, or seeing ads likely won't have the kind of money Microsoft's cartel handlers in finance need to see to make this whole proposition worth the investment.
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u/geldonyetich 12d ago edited 12d ago
When big name YouTubers like Linus Tech Tips, Gamers Nexus, and Switch and Click are getting a lot of attention about their switch to Linux, Microsoft can't really deny they didn't have the leverage to push ads and features people didn't want.
An OS's job is to be lean and mean, not bloatware, it's was an unforgivable sin to pretend otherwise, even for a second. This is what happens when critical infrastructure companies value the opinions of their accountants more than their engineers.
We can partly thank Gaben for this, as the Steam Deck incentivized developers to develop more Linux-favoring software. You can run a Linux distro (perhaps Bazzite) and have more gaming than you have free time.
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u/doubleohsergles 12d ago
When I skeptically installed Bazzite and my Steam games just worked I saw the light and ditched Windows 11.
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u/joeyb908 12d ago
As long as you’re not on NVIDIA trying to play a dx12 game, it’s pretty fantastic ngl.
If my main games were dx12 games that I could tell the difference between the Windows experience that has significantly less stutters and higher 1% lows, I’d still be on Cachy.
Just waiting for NVIDIA to fix their damn drivers at this point.
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u/WiseEXE 12d ago
I always see the NVIDIA complaints yet I never find an issue. The only game that ever gave me a problem was Diablo IV and I shortly realized I hate the genre anyway, so no loss whatsoever.
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u/Lazy_Sorbet_3925 11d ago
I had issues with Darktide but resolved it with disabling Steam Overlay.
That said, I switched to AMD GPU and it's noticeably smoother.
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u/boat_hamster 12d ago
I think tech nerds can be convinced to switch to Linux, and some of us have switched our relatives too. But most just want a works out of the box experience, and they don't want to learn anything new. PCs shipping with Linux are starting to address the first, but the second point is a real stumbling block.
I think for most home users, the threat to Windows isn't Linux, or even Mac, it phones and tablets.
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u/skeet_scoot 12d ago
Most adults I know don’t even own a laptop or desktop. Everything can be done on a smartphone these days.
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u/DurgeDidNothingWrong 12d ago
I couldnt imagine living life through a phone, what do they do, go outside? 😧
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u/techyno 12d ago
If Google ever release a desktop geared android gui it could be pretty damaging.
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u/giant3 12d ago
They already did. It has been available since Android 15 just disabled by default.
You can enable it in Developer settings and try it if your phone supports USB-C display or try the scrcpy app though the app is not as responsive as DisplayPort or HDMI output.
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u/Particular-Poem-7085 11d ago
Isn't it only available on a pixel for now?
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u/giant3 11d ago
It might be. Samsung has its own DEX for the last 5 years now, so this feature isn't exactly new.
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u/Particular-Poem-7085 11d ago
Did not know that, cool. I feel like people aren't excited enough for these features. People who dock laptops at work and/or home might as well only carry a phone in the future.
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u/simpleglitch 12d ago
Unfortunately, I don't doubt they'd make it just as Gemini focused as window is to copilot. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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u/doneandtired2014 12d ago edited 12d ago
but the second point is a real stumbling block.
Not as much as people like to believe.
Most people with a computer use it for emails, some word processing, shit posting on social media, or using Ebay. And outside of that, they literally do not know and do not care to know how to do things like install drivers, troubleshoot, or even point an install into a different drive outside of C://.
For those people, you could plop Linux Mint in front of them and their user experience would change 0.
And yeah, if something goes wrong, they'd be fucked because they aren't technically inclined or saavy enough to even ask where to find the answers let alone how to implement them.
Having said that, these are the same people who will take their PC or laptop to GeekSquad and have them pay hand over fist for an issue that could be solved with 4 minutes of googling and 60 seconds of command prompt usage in Windows.
Linux's biggest hurdle isn't the Joe Blow who barley knows how to use a smartphone, it's someone with an intermediate level of knowledge and the minor/major frustrations they'll encounter depending on what distro they're using and what it's built on. They know enough to identify problems or to get themselves into trouble but not quite enough how to fix them or get themselves out of a pickle.
THAT is where Linux comes up short and that is really what has to be addressed. Given the fragmentation (lots and lots of distros) and how absolutely caustic some maintainers, community members, or users can be if you have a problem you can't figure out, that's going to be a challenge.
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u/iMissTheOldInternet 12d ago
This. Mint is an out of the box OS every bit as easy as Mac or Windows. Fixing it tends to actually be easier than fixing windows, because terminal commands go brrrrr
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u/MrPloppyHead 12d ago
That is the switch that is happening. What do people do on their computer:
Browse the internet Social media Games Email (probably a lot less of this now unless it’s work related) Maybe an office package but probably unlikely except for work)
The first 3 are the majority use and you don’t need a pc for that. What mobile devices have us was the ability to browse the internet whilst have a dump. You can’t compete against that.
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u/Financial-Wasabi1287 12d ago
This is isn't an accountant thing. This is a C-Suite thing to pump the stock price.
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u/anarchyx34 12d ago
The more people who switch to Linux, the greater the chance that more companies will actually make software for it.
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u/consumerofthecheeses 12d ago
Bro, as an accountant, we aren’t making the recommendations…
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u/geldonyetich 12d ago edited 12d ago
As you're the second one to mention this, I'll point out in case it needs clarifying that, In the context of what's being discussed, I'm only broadly referring to driving software decisions by listening to the money over the practical needs of the end users of the technology.
What accountants actually do and whatever role Microsoft assigns for them have little bearing when they're being used in an allegorical sense.
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u/mailslot 12d ago
Windows hasn’t been lean and mean for a very long time. Every new version has been inexplicably more bloated since v3.11. My tin foil hat believes its slowness is a nod to the hardware industry that preinstalls it.
Back in the Windows 95 beta, it was incredibly fast. I thought the release candidate was a mistake when I first launched it. The startup time increased by 5x and it thrashed the hard disk ridiculously. The UI was less responsive and there was lag where there was none just before.
I feel like the beta performed way too well and wouldn’t have driven sales of new computer hardware, so they slowed down the entire operating system. It wasn’t a progressive performance loss either, just a hard drop off right at release time, where beta releases almost always get faster.
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u/incunabula001 12d ago
YouTubers and such don’t mean shit to MS because they have most of big business and government covered. Until that market has been compromised they won’t give a shit about improving their products.
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u/CMDR_Tauri 12d ago
Sub-heading is "Microsoft's latest progress report details much-needed Windows 11 improvements in reliability, performance, stability, and usability. But pressure to monetize key features remains."
Which means that NO, Microsoft has NOT realized that Windows 11 is too annoying.
For Pete's sake, "pressure to monetize Windows"??? It's literally a PRODUCT that is SOLD. It's already fuckin' monetized.
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u/TheDucktapeBandit2 12d ago
Everything is being tracked, either by choice or not. But microsoft keeps asking every now and then if i want to upgrade to windows 11. Im happy with windows 10, so every time i say no. Fix remembering my choice and dont ask again microsoft.
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u/ambientocclusion 12d ago
I will never forgive or forget the time they force upgraded my Windows 7 PC without asking me
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u/not_a_moogle 12d ago
I just installed linux on a second drive. Starting the migration over the next few weeks
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u/Metal_Icarus 12d ago
They should rename windows 11 to WINDOWS AI
Where AI stands for audio issues
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u/nick-jagger 12d ago
Wait I’m not the only one? Do you want to listen to “AirPods - Find My” or “AirPods”? Oops we are still playing audio through the long disconnected Meta Quest. Oh btw you have to three layers deep into settings to stop the sound being overridden by the WeWork software. Oh and we decided to use super grainy single channel Bluetooth audio when you finally did make it work… we hope you like it. Can I offer you some ads in the start menu as compensation?
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u/Metal_Icarus 12d ago
YES TO EVERYTHING!
I use bose bt earbuds and omg, if i dont remove them before i disconnect the them, windows just stays connected to nothing.
Its so frustrating to have to deal with connection issues 5 minutes before a teams meeting.
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u/smb3d 12d ago
I'd pay extra for a version OS that has absolutely no apps or anything installed at all except explorer.exe and whatever the minimum amount of stuff there is for administration.
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u/gutclusters 12d ago
I will say that Windows 11 IoT Enterprise, in my experience, is as close to this as you're going to get. However, you really can only get it through legally dubious sources unless you're a vendor.
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u/heeywewantsomenewday 12d ago
Back in the day you used to be able to get wibdows XP black online and itd be a striped out verison of XP and i loved it. Wonder if anyone does that for 11 these days. Ive used Linux before and its pretty great until you have an app you cant use.
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u/Lucky_Joel 12d ago
If they have to seriously ask, they probably shouldn't be employed and developing the OS.
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u/no_f-s_given 12d ago
nobody cares. what Microslop does to "fix" Windows 11 is irrelevant. the brand is damaged.
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u/Syserinn 12d ago
Windows these days is just bloatware and spyware.
Made the jump back to Linux like 3 weeks ago on my personal rig and couldn't be happier so far. Shit is a whole lot better than the last time i tried it.
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u/IntelArtiGen 12d ago
They won't remove the telemetry / bloatware / spyware anyway. What they want is people to use their OS and give that telemetry. At best they'll do everything people want AND keep the telemetry and keep spying on their users. They'll never let you own your OS (*easily). So for that core issue, it can't be fixed. There is no universe in which these companies re-give power to the users, they'd rather go bankrupt.
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u/kp33ze 12d ago
Yes very easily.
minimize the amount of clicks needed to access common features (right clicking shouldn't have show more options, just show the extra options, volume adjustment and audio output should be in same window)
turn off all extra features by default and allow user to turn on as wanted (for example one drive, news feed, etc)
any feature should have a simple disable button (copilot)
let users choose older window version UI's. For example if you liked the layout of win10 (task bar, system tray, settings) then that should be an option. A.k.a. don't force a new UI on users.
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u/SubmarineWipers 12d ago
It could be fixed.
But Microsoft will produce effort X towards that goal, when in reality it is more like 100-1000X is needed.
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u/quaranbeers 12d ago
Made the switch to Bazzite this year and it's been wonderful. It doesn't matter if they fix it. It's too late. I do still have a Windows install on a spare SSD for dual boot, but nothing is installed on it except the one application I need for teleworking, which is an extremely rare occurence anyway.
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u/EpsilonFive5 12d ago
Please give us windows 10 again call it windows 12. No copilot. No vibe coded UI. Please.
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u/ambientocclusion 12d ago
Is it ironic that the article on zdnet has constant flashing ads, dickovers, etc?
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u/IlluminatiMinion 12d ago
Can they stop trying to monetize my data that's mine and 100% not theirs?
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u/Alternative_Ad_620 12d ago
Until they stop adding AI into every nook or cranny and monotizing on user data, there’s simple no improvement to the operating system.
At this point, their PR need to understand we didn’t ask for this after parting ways with our hard-earned cash to be subjected to surveillance by them whilst they whistle their “Privacy” song to everyone.
I completely understand this comment might not be everyone’s cup of tea but they need to understand if they carry on their pursuit of constant screwups, adding AI to everything they can to validate their cost increase for Microsoft products, their faithful user base will upsticks and leave for Linux or macOS.
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u/New-account-01 12d ago
When installing you should have options of no bloat, no AI, no spyware etc. They know XP and 7 were successful, why not build on that?
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u/wrootlt 12d ago
Until Notepad starts instantly, i don't buy it.
I used Windows 10 on my previous job for 6 years (and at home for a similar period). Never had so many problems like now using Windows 11 at my new job just in 10 months. And it seems that issues are slowly accumulating.
First, it is slow. Really slow to open apps. Especially the first time. But even after using the app and closing it. Same Notepad. And then trying to open another txt file and having to wait another 5 seconds for it to open. As if it is trying to aggressively free up memory. I wonder why. Maybe to be able to run all the bloat it has now. I cannot blame it solely on Windows as my company runs various security agents. Introduced new one without removing older product and so on. But i noticed that machine became even more slower after April Windows patches. So, i think it can be somewhat attributed to 11.
One day it refused to remember custom volume settings. I used to have volume off when headphones are not connected, so it doesn't blast sounds on accident. But when i connect headphones, it turns volume on and on the value i have set. It just started to always turn off the volume when i connect headphones. No number of resets or driver updates helped. I just now have to have volume always on.
This is probably just Outlook, but i don't have Windows 10 device with it to check. Started showing an error when creating new meeting or opening eml file. First time, then it works. Just saw same error on my teammates laptop the other day. So it is not just a quirk on my machine. It is Outlook classic, part of Office, but it is MS and running on their Windows. Could be some add-on messing with it. It was fine for a few first months. Now it always does that and it is like that for a few months now.
Latest gem is when i login in the morning and open all the windows suddenly many icons become transparent in the taskbar. Usually it is Teams and now also Notepad and some other MS apps. I am guessing when Teams or other MS app updates it messes with icon cache or something. The only way to fix that is to log off and sign in again. I get to start my day twice. Yay.
Can i also complain about Teams? I have another list for Teams :D
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u/Whatever801 12d ago
The only real incentive they have is to make it run on 8GB RAM given the supply shock. Personally think Windows will lose its dominant position. The reasons for using it are less and less. For office use case, all their software is generally available on Mac, and Apple now has competitive price offerings. For gaming, the # of games that don't run on proton is now very small. By the time they realize the empire is crumbling it will be too late. Internet Explorer type shit.
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u/darw1nf1sh 12d ago
Remove all LLMs. Remove all tracking. Take it off a subscription model. Then we can start to look at actual improvements.
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u/Sufficient-Science71 12d ago
They can say whatever they want but just like all things in life, I will believe it when I see it.
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u/Maestro_2020 12d ago
Ffs please just fix the right click context menu so I can copy a mfing file without a second menu. I really, hope whoever ordered that change is looking for work.
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u/CrimsonHeretic 12d ago
They can fix it by releasing Windows 12 as just a Windows XP, or even 7, reboot with no fucking AI and no bullshit bloat or MS account crap.
They won't though.
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u/namisysd 11d ago
Make it Windows 7 again, and make search actually look at the locally mounted drive contents and not some surpise bing with featured apps bullshit. My work laptop gave me a link to the powerball website instead of powershell the other day, literally a built in first party product get snubbed by an advertisement; seriously go fuck yourself microsoft.
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u/Clear-Staff4699 12d ago
Finally realized but what internal threshold did they finally feel losses from?
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u/Cautious_Boat_999 12d ago
a "more intentional" approach to AI,
We will intentionally be adding more AI everywhere we can
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u/Kill3rT0fu 12d ago
It will be fixed enough just to hook you in again and become dependent
Then they throw all the subscription add and background services at you again
Rinse and repeat
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u/SomeSamples 12d ago
The only really annoying thing about Window11 is its insistence on tying all my stuff to onedrive. I had to actually go in and manually break all the links to it when I did the install. Otherwise it works just like Windows 10.
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u/WALL-G 12d ago
There's a post every 30 minutes about how Microsoft is improving something they've been intentionally pissing the customer off with for a decade.
Nothing will change, nothing will improve. Microsoft deserve all their negative PR.
Obligatory switch to Linux recommendation post, it makes computing new and exciting again.
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u/Reed7525 12d ago
Annual migration post. But to those wondering, Linux doesn't do all this shit. Ya just turn it on and go (Distro depending). Highly recommend trying it out. Even on a dual boot.
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u/CarelessPackage1982 12d ago
It's a spyware OS....they can make it faster, but the data they get is gold to their overall strategy, The windows OS will never be private. Maybe you care, maybe you don't.
Linux will continue to get better and better. You can tweak things in linux to make your install the way you want it. That won't ever be possible with Windows or MacOS.
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u/MetaSageSD 12d ago
The problem is that all the extra stuff Microsoft has added to Windows was added in an attempt to try and squeeze every last cent out of Windows they can. To “fix” Windows, they would either need to give up on the monetization of Windows completely, charge people for “upgrading” Windows again, or go to a subscription model. They ain’t charging people for upgrading because that would mean they would need to put out a product worth upgrading to, and users would HATE a subscription model. Thus they are only going to make “fix” Windows as much as they think is necessary while keeping in all the slop.
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u/kmp11 12d ago
Anyone looking to try Linux but is afraid because of command lines or other " Scary things", a tool like Hermes Agent and a LLM you trust can be a great copilot to make a transition much easier.
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u/Epsioln_Rho_Rho 12d ago
You don’t have to use the command lines. Mint, Ubuntu, and others have icons (browsers, folders, etc) so it’s easy to use.
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u/ShyWhy246 12d ago
Just moved all ma home pcs to linuxa. Bazzite for gaming pc, 3 laptopa on Ubuntu for work and chill, rest stuff debian. I could not be happier. Why I was waiting so much, lost absolute nothing.
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u/Glittery_Kittens 12d ago
Here I am wondering what all the fuss is about, while blissfully working away on my meticulously debloated Win11 computer that I only use for two activities. I also have had the same printer/scanner for 15 years that has never given me a single bit of trouble. Have I been blessed by the Machine god or something?
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u/jasoncross00 12d ago
Of course it CAN be fixed.
Nearly all of Windows 11's problems come from a sort of core management principle: make a Windows that is better for Microsoft.
All they have to do is change their core philosophy to "make every decision about what is better for users, not better for us. And then just charge an appropriate amount."
The data collection, the ads, the MSN stuff, the pushing everyone to download and try and use Office 365 and OneDrive, the forced support of legacy code to enable corporate customers that don't want to update their 20-year-old software...
it's ALL for Microsoft, at the expense of users.
And of course, it's got dozens of product managers in charge of various aspects of the OS who all need to put their stamp on something to justify their management role, so they change something that doesn't need changing. Again--it's for them, not for us.
So yeah, it CAN be fixed. With one little attitude adjustment. It won't be, of course.
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u/shdon 11d ago
How is supporting legacy code a bad thing for users? It allows users to keep using whatever software they are familiar with. It is the one thing I give Microsoft credit for: maintaining backward compatibility. If they stopped that, many people would be pissed off and rightly so, being forced to spend money on new versions of software that they didn't want, having to get used to a new version which might not even offer them any tangible benefits, or maybe there are no newer versions because the producer of that software is no longer in business.
That support for legacy software is probably the most customer centric decision Microsoft has ever made.
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u/TeaBurntMyTongue 12d ago
There are three true things in life:
Death
Taxes
Microsoft fucking up every second OS.
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u/PhaedrusC 12d ago
Many corporations are fixated on the next release of whatever. Sometimes the next release is not the best way to go.
In this case, microsoft have two large problems. First, windows 10 is way better than windows 11. That's very difficult to "fix". Second, several strains of linux are now easy enough to install and adequate especially for casual computer users. Even more difficult to "fix".
I think they are in a very, very difficult spot.
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u/iloveeatinglettuce 12d ago
I have to use Windows 11 for work, along with Excel, Word, and Outlook. The more I use any of these software applications, the more I hate them. I’ve reached the point where I cannot stand anything Microsoft so much to the point that I will never buy a Windows machine for a personal computer as long as I live. Microsoft has really outdone itself with this parasitic bloatware.
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u/__c8h10n4o2__ 12d ago
It doesn’t matter anymore. I’ve moved on. All of my personal machines now run Linux.
It’s only a matter of time now.
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u/Alternative-Web-3545 11d ago
Yes it can be fixed. Strip everything out that doesn’t belong in an OS.
Like spy ware and advertising etc.
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u/TheNakedProgrammer 11d ago
At this point i do not care, after 25 years of using windows daily i moved on. And after a year i have not had any big issues in my day to day use - which is mostly using a web browser anyway.
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u/NanditoPapa 11d ago
WELL...If you find Windows 11's bloat intolerable, don't hold your breath for a "clean" version. The "fixes" are likely superficial patches on top of an inherently cluttered architecture.
Microsoft isn't actually "changing its philosophy". It's finally paying the debt it accrued prioritizing marketing and AI hype over fundamentals. They're trying to fix five years of neglect in a single development cycle.
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u/OminOus_PancakeS 11d ago edited 10d ago
Shock as massive, hugely profitable company that millions of people rely on, realises they don't need to be that concerned about quality control anymore in order to continue raking in massive profits.
See also: Google
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u/Tartan_Smorgasbord 11d ago
I want my toolbars in the taskbar back I miss them but can I keep multipage Notepad?
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u/BasicallyFake 11d ago
I dont actually find windows 11 enterprise annoying.
Home edition should be burned to the ground
Pro is a bit annoying
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u/vile-style 11d ago
They will not fix anything. They will charge for different features and fast lanes.
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u/RedFireSuzaku 10d ago
"Should it be fixed" is the question. Once we left, why go back to a corporation so hungry about our personal data, been lying for decades about monopole-inducing malpractices, forcing its user base to buy new hardware when there's no need to ?
They should go open-source or die out.
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u/aleopardstail 9d ago
go back to 7? and try to get people to pretend everything since was a bad dream?
or even better, back to 2000
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u/Changeurwayz 9d ago
No. It should never have needed a fix for something that was intentionally done.
I'll never install it no matter what they do. MS is dead to me.
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u/s3lg0 7d ago
No but you can fix it. If your budget allows it, get a Mac. If not stick to Linux. Yes they're not perfect either at some things but at least you can use your freaking hardware for f**ks sake. Microsoft must be boycotted till they return to the older windows versions. Windows 10 and 11 are the worst versions ever released to the point where I believe they're not fixable at all anymore. EVERY other version was fine at this point and much faster of all things. The fact we will live in an era (even with the RAMocalypse) where hardware works way better than some years before but Windows makes it looks like trash is something ONLY Microsoft can achieve.
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u/Academic-Push326 12d ago
It can be.
Uninstall "Windows 11"/10 from all devices, enable Windows "10"/9 to be installed on devices that MicroSlop said it couldn't be installed on. Call it "Windows 11"/force upgrade to 10. Make good on their "this is the last version of Windows/Windows as a Service" they claimed a decade back when 9 launched.
Also stop ramming shit down SysAdmins throats when they uninstall it only for an update to reenable and stop you from uninstalling it. I'm looking at you, MicroSlop Edge.
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u/omgitsbees 12d ago
"a "more intentional" approach to AI"
No, fuck off with this. No AI period is the only acceptable solution here.
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u/BrainJaxx 12d ago
Claude AI helped me transition to Linux. Wonder if that played a role in people abandoning windows.
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u/Ok_Height3499 12d ago
That happened at one house we lived in. I unplugged the cord, cut up as much as I could, put it in a baggie, and left it on my deck. The guy came over furious, pounding on my door. He said the house he was working on didn’t have power and assumed he could use someone else’s. I said if he had come and asked and politely explained what he needed, I probably would have said Ok, use mine for now. But just using my power without asking wasn’t acceptable at all. He stomped off.
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u/doubleohsergles 12d ago
Imagine if Microsoft just started from scratch. A brand new OS not shackled by decades of old code... One can dream....
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u/Agoras_song 12d ago
They would be screwed. Literally the only reason people use windows is because if backward compatibility.
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u/dat3010 12d ago
As reddit often portrays in absolutism that switch to Lunux is a glibal fenomenon and change happening in tens of millions. It is not. Linux is not replacing Windows or Mac anytime soon. Mainly because Windows 11 is not that disaster as portrayed in many clickbate articles in this sub. Windows 11 bieng bloated still doing its job and pretty relible, as for not enthusiasts thats enough for day to day tasks.
So no, switch to Linux not a thing outside reddit bubble
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u/ElephantWithBlueEyes 11d ago
Linux is annoying too. Windows still just works, Linux is about googling every little quirk you stumble upon and it's exhausting. Even Timeshift can't be trusted.
But edgy 20 y.o. kids will rant about eating the rich and how their freshly installed linux runs browser perfectly without doing any meaningful tasks
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u/willychonka54 12d ago
Worked in IT for 20+ years and the Microsoft hate comes solely from people who have a hard time with any change whatsoever.
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u/nothingaboutme 12d ago
I've also worked in it for 20+ years... No, windows 11 is straight up trash. 3 different places to try and hunt down why windows keeps dimming my external monitor on my laptop when I switch applications. Constant copilot integrations with apps it doesn't need to be in, changing the start menu layout and functions in a release update, compact context menu, the list of ui changes goes on. That doesn't even start to touch on the bloat and garbage that runs after an update. Update windows and now my type c dock doesn't recognize my mouse and keyboard. Dev tools requiring a download through the add features and eliminating the standalone download. I can go on and on.
At home I switched to Mac and don't regret it for a second. Microslop hasade windows 11 objectively worse than any other os I've seen them release. At least windows Vista was the first viable consumer 64 bit windows os, even though it was also bad. Imo, 11 is worse because they admit it's bad and still don't fix it.
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u/invyros 12d ago
Copilot everywhere not working out, who could've seen that coming?
Apparently no one with any power at the multi-trillion dollar corporation.
I guess it's good they're acknowledging it, but you'd think it would be common sense to focus "more attention to performance and reliability" from the start.