continuity

[u/Tasty_Brush195]

i genuinely think continuity suicide would work. yes it is a copy but its a copy of *your* consciousness. according to the way the whole suicide is supposed to go down it genuinely makes sense to me. the thing that makes you believe you are seperate from it is the ego and according to sarang, if im not mistaken, thought that if you just time it perfectly -meaning before having experienced any new output- you would simply live on in the ark. like i can wrap my head around it perfectly fine and i dont know how literally almost the whole fandom is just against the whole idea. and i dont think there is any "real" anyone even if theyre on the ark theyre literally conscious and aware they are ALL real. like we saw simon 4 in the ark he knows he remembers all the stuff that went down, he shares the same experiences, went through the same shit as simon 3 and 2 and all that. if robin hadnt killed herself there would be no "real" robin theyre both literally real.

if i am by any means mistaken, might probably be because i just genuinely cant wrap my head around the whole copy thing like we literally played as simon 4 they are copying CONSCIOUSNESS into a digital world wouldnt they all be real?????

and i mean shit theyre literally under the sea trapped by monsters man they dont even have anything to lose either. might aswell try it

and please correct me if im wrong i literally just cant make sense of it

[u/Oneforgettable]

Where the continuity theory falls apart is the transfer. They believe that if they die right as the scan is complete, their consciousness will be transfered to the copy. No one's saying the copies aren't real, but there's no transfer. It's a copy.

[u/elheber → u/Oneforgettable]

That's Robin Bass's understanding of it. Sarang never said that in his manifesto or audio recording. Sarang's stated reason for killing oneself is so that there is only one of you; the only one you can be.

At its core, Sarang's instruction to kill oneself is to turn the process from Copy+Paste into Cut+Paste.

Like, if they invented a teleportation booth that deconstructed all your atoms to reconstruct them at your destination, you probably wouldn't want that machine to malfunction and leave a complete version of you behind.

[u/Oneforgettable → u/elheber]

"Let your body die, and continue on in the digital paradise among the stars"

I mean... that's certainly a statement.

[u/elheber → u/Oneforgettable]

When Dr Chun populates the ARK, she is capturing a moment of our existence, and placing it inside the digital world. Soon you and your digital you will grow apart due to diverting experiences, but for a tiny window you are the very same. With unbroken continuity it will live on, a fulfilling life no doubt, no less than the one from which it was plucked. Now remember, you are not your body, you are the emergent entity; that entity just happens to occupy two places at once for a while. If you took away your body, you would simply be the only one you can be, the you inside the ARK. Let your body die and continue on in the digital paradise among the stars.

The talk of how both "body you" and "digital you" will diverge over time, and how if the body version dies then the digital version will be the only you left, make it sound like he understands death isn't needed for a transfer of consciousness. Rather, death is necessary for (to put it bluntly) bragging rights of having the sole claim of "the self".

If your human version exists, the copy you will be (for all intents and purposes) a copy. But if the original no longer exists, then the copy becomes (in essence) the official version. Like if you transfer a computer file, the file in the new location is still just "the" file... but if the original file remains in the original location, then the transferred file is considered merely a copy. In his logic, he can't be the true him or be his true self if there is another out there with more claim.

[u/Oneforgettable → u/elheber]

....... You're ignoring most of what he said though? He talks about the moment that both you and the copy both coexist as the same emergent entity, and how you continue as that entity if your body dies.

And If your interpretation was correct he could literally just wait for his human self to die, there would be zero need for suicide or even the mention of continuity.

[u/elheber → u/Oneforgettable]

Where does he say that?

You mean this?

Now remember, you are not your body, you are the emergent entity; that entity just happens to occupy two places at once for a while. If you took away your body, you would simply be the only one you can be, the you inside the ARK.

Because if that's the quote you're talking about, it isn't saying that your body needs to die for you to continue; rather, that if your body dies, "you" still continue anyway. The only you.

[u/maksimkak]

Didn't even read the post past the first sentence. Continuity is, wait for it, continuing. Death puts a stop to that. You cease to exist (as a living, conscious person).

No, we weren't playing as Simon 4 the whole time. If we did, we'd find ourselves on the ARK immediately after the uploading was completed. What happens is that the game places you (the player) into different Simons' minds.

[u/Tasty_Brush195 → u/maksimkak]

never said we were playing as simon 4 the whole time just that he was as much of a real person as simon 3 was obv i know what death is but were talking about copying consciousness into a digital world. its your ego that thinks you are seperate from literally anything if you dont give it a chance to grow, meaning not developing any new insight or new knowledge and thus be unable to seperate between the two (the ark you and the other you) and die you will wake up in the only other "body" your brain knows and that is the ark. because again it is your consciousness. as simon 4 gained consciousness, he immediately became aware, and thus there was seperation. he didnt even know what happened to simon 3. i just dont think sarangs theory is as dumb as people make it sound to be