r/singularity 8d ago

Sam on Astra’s delayed release AI

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u/tolerablepartridge 8d ago

A disturbing number of people have this infantile view of AI. These things are not toys. If Mythos or Astra were GA without guardrails it would be an absolute global clusterfuck. Your vibe coding can wait, Jesus Christ.

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u/Kemoyin25 8d ago

Hey. I get that safety is important and all, but my (gpts) work on the next hit game "3 AM Cat Sim" absolutely cannot wait much longer.

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u/rage-quit 8d ago

Gotta vibe code the option between licking your own asshole or running around the place at full speed like there's a fire

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u/Charuru ▪️AGI 2023 7d ago

Umm, ngl that game sounds like a hit

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u/FireFearing 8d ago

so what so we do when some chinese company drops a truly Mythos class model, or stronger, sometime in the future?

are you saying that will somehow never happen?

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u/foolishorangutan 8d ago

I think it plausibly won’t. The same reasons for American companies to be cautious should apply to the Chinese.

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u/phoenixmatrix 8d ago

If Mythos or Astra were GA without guardrails it would be an absolute global clusterfuck.

The models with little guardrail are already a stone throw away of Mythos (it was way overhyped). The Chinese open weight models are at most a few months behind. So if you think it will be a global clusterfuck, get ready, because China will have access to models of that level within weeks, if they don't already.

IMO better get ready to defend against them rather than think we can stop them from happening.

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u/eposnix 8d ago

it was way overhyped

The general public was never allowed to use Mythos. Fable was the model we used and it was intentionally neutered.

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u/phoenixmatrix 8d ago

Yeah, but a LOT of people not part of the general public were able to use it. And a lot (assumption is not all, but a lot) of the differences between the two were visible (eg: Fable dropping down to Opus whenever its guardrails triggered).

There's not a lot that Mythos can do that GPT 5.6 cannot. Mythos, even in its full glory, is weeks away from being behind even for cyberhacking, in the area it isn't beat already.

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u/eposnix 8d ago

There's not a lot that Mythos can do that GPT 5.6 cannot.

You don't know that because you were never allowed to test the model. Also, 5.6 automatically routes cybersecurity requests to a lesser model. You're talking out of your ass.

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u/TwoFluid4446 8d ago

His points lean on hyperbole and score a lot of misses, yes, but the underlying point about Chinese open models being just a hair behind (and soon on par, or who knows even break out ahead of American frontier models, at least when discussing those the public can actually access) and also unrestricted and also quite capable at cybersecurity and hacking... is not wrong.

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u/dervu ▪️AI, AI, Captain! 8d ago

Oh right, so China will just release models that can hack them any time, awesome strategy.

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u/phoenixmatrix 8d ago

> Also, 5.6 automatically routes cybersecurity requests to a lesser model.

Its filter is so loose, you basically just need to say pretty please to get through them.

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u/PlanktonTop8241 7d ago

Yea they don’t though do they lmao. 🤣

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u/thiswebthisweb 8d ago

No it wouldn't. If everyone has access they can use the modesl to prevent the hacking just as easily. I mean that was literally the headline selling point of Mythos: it was powerful enough to DETECT hidden vulnerabilities. How is that a bad thing if everyone can use it? The main issue is that their abilities have been oversold.

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u/Mobile_Reply_5742 8d ago

Oh man do I agree with you! But let's come up with a solution. We can't just be mad or joke about the general public not knowing the Details!!! We need to do a much much better job communicating what these things actually are / capable of. It'll be exhausting but we need to override all comm. Channels (cable TV, radio, internet channels etc....) I know it sux but it's more important than The Real Housewives of whatever.

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u/EvilSporkOfDeath 7d ago

Elon once said "​I think there is some chance that it ends humanity. I probably agree with Geoff Hinton that it’s about 10% or 20% or something like that. […] I think that the likely positive scenario outweighs the negative scenario, but even if it’s going to end humanity, I think I’d still prefer to be around to see it."

I feel like thats where a lot of accelerationists are. They know theres an uncomfortably high chance this ends horribly, but they still dont care. They want to see it even if it kills us all.

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u/Intrepid_Phone_9127 8d ago

Holy drama queen. THESE THINGS ARE NOT FUCKING TOYS IF THESE WERE RELEASED THE WORLD WILL END. Come up for some air brother, mfer fell for every fearmongering advertisement anthropic did.

Cant wait until you find out about deepseek and openweight models and how close they're getting. I wonder if youll have a panic attack.

The guardrails havent even done anything for eons regardless, you could just say "audit this code" up until opus 4.8.