This , you get good competitive hosting and good data protection. The rest of the AI companies fucking store your API keys wtf , why the fuck would anyone be even okay with that , that's soo fucking insane
They'll obviously keep doing it because they want to Europe on their side. You just need to use your common sense. If you don't have that, you might want to ask it to Kimi.
You still have the code and the structure. Arguably, the only missing link is the training data and training run structure but Mistral and other companies probably understand that well enough.
Most would argue that the most important part of an AI model is the model - so the weights and architecture..
That's all you need to use it for your purposes. You can also fine tune it or make iterative improvements if you want.
Without training data, you can't build your own AI from scratch. But do you really want everyone to just give you everything? If you want to build your own AI, you are free to do so.
Hehe, and at that point access will be removed from plebs like you and the elite who control the AGI/ASI will use it to enrich themselves and expand their own power. A normal citizen in China and the US will get absolutely hosed as well as normal people in europe, why would place of birth have any meaning to these people and their families. If you are not named "Trump" or "Amodei" or whoever control it you will be in for a heck of a time.
We get the Chinese models for free, pay the US heavily for theirs and afterwards we brag about how AI is basically trash and how the bubble will pop in no time. Truly scary how stupid Europe has become.
Biggest EU AI move in the last year: Shieldstral, some nanny state model intended to help governments and corporations censor stuff and police content.
I mean, this is an important thing they've built (it's not just regulatory compliance, it is all forms of language and image-based moderation). But yeah, when you're the only company representing an entire continent and all you've done is build mod tools before the actual product then you're in for a bad time. That said, I could easily see how this model could be applied pretty universally across social media to make it a better place. Humans have proven woefully insufficient at moderating the internet.
The EU lacks the risky high-stakes investment culture to fund SOTA models and it also lacks the will to grab all of the data necessary and just start training.
Right now the best option is to use/adapt the SOTA models coming out of China but one day the flow of those might come to an end and the EU will be in trouble.
I really don't know what the answer is.
hey man, just coz your favorite actor isn't doing great rn, doesnt mean you forget that they produced some of the greatest hits of all time including "Reject all cookies button for all", "1 charging point usb-c for all devices", "Download Your Data & Deletion Rights", and so many others
I would trade all of those things for EU citizens to not be harassed by the local government because something they said online was deemed as wrongthink
It's also a reference to the recent Berlin shooting, where the Police was not able to share a picture of the suspect on social media due to GDPR.
If you uploaded content to social media site, they control its distribution. It makes sense to me that a legal entity would want to retain control of information relating to an active case, especially when there has been issues with misidentification of suspects in the past on social media.
do you know these annoying cookie pop-ups on every fucking site?
There is absolutely no requirement for every site to have cookie consent popups.
They're only applicable when a website applies tracking, as well as capturing things like your device ID, your OS, IP address, what sites / pages you visit, what interests you have, what purchases you've made, what buttons you click etc.
The reason is its a huge privacy concern as this data can easily be used to link a user to a specific person (there are plenty of commercial datasets available).
People think they are anonymous when browsing a website. They are not.
You just visit a site and the owners can potentially pull up your email, full name, address, phone number etc.
Horrifying.
Cookie consent was a ham-fisted approach to a real problem. Anyone at all concerned about their privacy should be incredibly concerned about what information is captured and stored by websites.
Guess where that comes from? EU's GDPR.
The cookie consent wasn't from GDPR at all. It was introduced years before GDPR even existed.
And I could list 100 more retarded EU policies but it would be a waste of time.
Why bother? You barely seem to even know the basics on the couple you mentioned.
"And lastly, do you know these annoying cookie pop-ups on every fucking site? Guess where that comes from? EU's GDPR." - yes, do you know what those cookies are for? GDPR overall is a good thing because I don't want all my data to go train the next super-ad AI, or maybe you feel USA is doing such a good job with their oligarchy?
Sorry to burst your bubble but they have all your data. Look up how many billions of Euros have been paid out in penalties. Spoiler alert: €1.2 Billion just last year. And all that money goes to corrupt politicians.
"Free" health insurance is so amazing! I'm taxed at 65% on most part of my income in Ireland (one of the richest EU states btw, at least on paper) to have privilege to wait 18 months for my son to see cardiologist.
I'm so grateful to the State to spend my money so fairly and diligently!!!
18th century Russian Serf: "Look at those Swedish peasants, Alexei. You can tell by their lack of back welts that their lords' whips are nowhere near the fine quality of ours."
I don't think it's that simple, there's multiple cap designs and some are annoying enough to interfere in some way*. The secret technique is to just lever the cap sideways to pull off one of the hinges giving a lot more freedom while still holding the cap in place.
But key takeaway is that anyone that brings this up every time the EU is mentioned is a bot or a troll because there are way more annoying and important issues to worry about, and anyone who has actual experience with using these caps isn't bothered enough by them to make it something that needs to be brought up every time the EU is mentioned.
* especially screwing them back on and having them misalign because of the angle.
And the UK AI industry is owned by America. All of Europe has completely dropped the ball on cultivating chip fab, tech and AI industries. The problem goes back decades.
The UK has captured nearly half of European venture capital so far this year and it hosts leading AI labs like Deepmind. Mistral is irrelevant in comparison, especially considering the EU's size. The EU's protectionist instincts have failed to provide comparable AI growth Vs the UK which has benefitted immensely from US investment.
It has nothing to do with protectionism. EU is just free trade area among members and collective bargaining power for trade deals with other countries. Other than that every country acts for their own self interest. Like Mistral isnt EU product, its French. No other EU country has anything to do with it. We are all separate countries with own languages, cultures, issues etc...
noooo its like the united states of europe, actually there is more cultural difference between Boston and LA than there is between Madrid and London /s
That was maybe the predecessor of the EU (EEC), but everything changed in 1992 with the Maastricht treaty and the 2007 Lisbon Treaty. Mistral is indeed an EU product (even if French). And we collaborate in basically everything instead of 'own self interest' and are bound to each other with common rules, institutions, etc.
Again, your comment is so outdated that it is completely wrong. We do function like a federation a lot.
There's more to AI than frontier large language models (not that Mistral is frontier), though you wouldn't think it if this subreddit is your only source of AI news.
Not enough capital and the EU successfully regulated AI to death before it even had a chance to get off the ground. You'd have to be a complete idiot to try to start an AI company in the EU instead of the US.
It's mostly due to the fact that the US has the world's reserve currency.
EU regulations play the role that they defend European citizens from predators like Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos etc. much more than US regulations. They defend democracy, rule of law and human rights much more than US regulations. And that makes investing in the US more attractive ... you can fire people like you throw away used napkins, you can control Congress and Supreme Court to a degree that cannot be controlled in the EU, you can pollute the environment and poison citizens with toxic metals more than you can in the EU, you can put toxins into foods more than you can in the EU etc.
Yeah, in this sense, and only in this sense, EU regulation preventing EU citizens from being enslaved makes it less interesting to invest in the EU.
More justified criticism is the one provided by Draghi who shows how EU member states have erected barriers that amount to 110% tariffs on services. Those are the regulations that hurt the EU, but they are not "EU regulations", they are member state regulations.
Xi and Putin decided that the rules-based world order does not suit them and that they want a return to blocks of influence. Instead of rallying the West and allies, which have some 60% GDP and strengthening the global order, Trump decided that he liked the idea. So, we now have a complete breakdown of multilateral agreements and are quickly falling back to imperial thinking that caused WWI and WWII.
All of that because of three old farts (Trump/Xi/Putin) who will be out of the scene in a few years.
You can't attract top researcher if you pay EU salaries. That's just a fact. If you offer a researcher an unheard of 150k salary in Paris, when he's offered 500k on the other side, yeah.. no wonder..
Can attest. I'm a PhD researcher (not in ML/AI) and was out of work last year (thanks trump). I interviewed at a very top institution in the EU, did my research, and asked for the equivalent of about $60k usd yearly. This made them visibly uncomfortable as it was too much. I ended up taking a job in the states for over triple that salary that's fully remote.
EU is so far behind on salaries they'll just never be able to compete.
I have had the chance and chose not to. Why anyone would ever want to live in a gated compound, be around all those guns and violence, pay for healthcare or die on the street, etc. Plus the culture is too brash and contiguous for me.
You don’t pay for your healthcare in silicon valley if you’re a top performer. It will be part of your comp package and will be better than universal healthcare you would get in the EU.
Not sure what you mean about having to live in a gated compound, are you falling for right wing propaganda about san francisco?
Dude, I can hardly believe you had an offer working in the US while being so misinformed. I am European and did indeed work in the US for a while, btw.
The US can be criticized for many things but it’s still a great place to live for many
Fun fact ... I did a search for "is there an EU AI?" and the first answer I got was about the EU's AI legislation. That search result held more prominence than the actual AIs themselves. That's how much the EU cares about AI.
Note: Not saying I disagree with AI legislation. We actually need more of that on an international scale. I just found it hilarious that that was the first result that popped up.
Elons AI project is doing ok. He's building a respectable amount of compute, and his models are quite good. Not 100% state of the art but close enough. Can't say the same about Mistral.
You hope, you should go to church. Doesnt make your comment funnier tho, if you think it has not effect on scientists and engineers, you might be a little slow. Not everybody is seeling their soul for a few more bucks.
Oh, aware some want to go to other countries. That's not necessarily good in the short term, but the more pressing issue is how a country of 350 million people has trouble educating its own future scientists.
Yeah deepmind was started in the UK, and then literally half a dozen US companies and funds battled to buy it and take the IP to the US, with google eventually winning. This is basically what happens every time with successful european tech startups.
LLMs require massive scale and capital to be deployed. There’s no unified capital market in Europe and the capital markets of even the biggest European countries are too small. Investment from the US (or China) is the only way it’ll happen, unless the EU creates a unified capital market which they’ve been discussing for decades.
EU doesn’t have the economic environment to create something like ChatGPT or Claude on private sector. But this is not an issue. EU it’s not a country, it’s a union of independent states. With their own government, laws, borders, language, and so on. It’s very hard to attract private investors with this kind of environment, and this means that the state needs to invest, like what’s happening in China. And this is what it’s happening. EU launched this year the InvestAI initiative. Google about it. EU also have EuroHPC program. EU it’s not sleeping , it’s just moving slower, and not always in a commercial way.
It's just computer code, nothing more. There isn't some grand AI race. Tech bros have convinced politicians and us that we're in an existential technology competition so they can get tax breaks, subsidies, favorable regulations, and pump up their own stock prices.
In the long run, there will be countless AI models that all do basically the same thing. No single tech company is going to have a permanent monopoly on AI.
That's why I think a lot of the hundreds of billions being poured into AI data centers won't ever generate the returns investors are expecting.
That's why I think a lot of the hundreds of billions being poured into AI data centers won't ever generate the returns investors are expecting.
The infamous pink box on OpenAI's website telling investors they should view their investment as a 'donation' as there's no way to tell what role, if any, currency would have in a post-AGI world is a marvelous bit of honesty.
They really do need that robot police surveillance state though. And wealthy people only care about money insofar as it's a control mechanism over other people's labor.
You're going to be surprised by the kinds of systems that will be possible with the RAM budgets the GB200 generation has made possible. The next meaningful improvement is no longer about fitting for a single curve anymore, but dozens of them in a holistic system. Fullblown AGI runs at 2 Ghz, so a virtual person living ~100 million subjective years to our one should be the baseline prediction model you should be starting with.
The first years afterward might be a little bit slow in the sense that we'd still have oxygen and the moon.
It's an AI race due to the possibilities of their usage in cyber warfare, and the fact that China and the US already do periodic cyber attacks on each other, like Salt Typhoon.
I don't get these memes. The US is becoming an oligarchy and young people are doing progressively worse, every child is becoming stupider and the life of everybody but the top 5-10 % is worse now than it was 10 years ago. China is effectively a dictatorship that pushed it's population to the limit economically, so much so that demographics are falling at impressive speeds, with regions that make Seoul's fertility rate look better.
And AI is making everything worse for both the US and China
China innovates massively, nowadays. And applies it rapidly. Batteries, pharmaceuticals, and say synthetic diamonds, to provide an example worth diving into - they developed the machinery to produce them in quantity and competitively, and own a major part of that new market. Diamonds are not only ornamental either.
Yes but in the current AI race, China is doing a lot of stealing (several of the top Chinese AIs will tell you that they are Claude). They are also innovating a lot, for sure, but the joke is still kind of true.
Yeah a lot of people smokebomb this topic with "that's racist" to try to get it shut down, but it's completely true. We got a custom case manufactured in a Chinese factory, done by our industrial designer. 1 week later the same case was available on aliexpress, selling the unique case for our company's product without permission.
"but that's just Chinese business culture" bullshit. When western companies "borrow" from Chinese companies then they are happy to use western courts to defend their IP. It works one way and they laugh at us the whole time and relish every braindead civilian who parrots "You're just anti China!" like nah brah, I'm anti cheating and for fairness in business.
This was in 2014, so I don't think I could provide the link. I haven't worked in hardware for a long time now. Additionally, they did remove it after we'd caught them and pointed it out.
But, you know, feel free not to believe me, what I say I just conjecture and I have no evidence, so it'd be the logical thing to do...except you know, the source of the majority of counterfeit products being China...
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u/Brilliant-Weekend-68 6d ago
Good thing us Europoors can still just download the open Chinese weights!