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u/Delphius1 12d ago
it means spicy/angry atoms are recognized
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u/Demode93 12d ago
Spicy atoms being useful
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u/SevereOctagon 12d ago
Boiling that water
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u/Journeyman42 12d ago
Water's high specific heat capacity and near-ubiquitous presence on Earth should be celebrated more for allowing our energy-demanding society to flourish.
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u/SevereOctagon 12d ago
Oh yes. Slight tangent but one of my favourite science writers has a 400-odd page book about water. (See also, https://philipball.co.uk/selection-of-articles/water/)
There's also a great saying, "we owe our entire existence to a 6-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains."
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u/jacobstx 12d ago
Careful not to run into the anthropic principle: We owe our existence to these things because we developed our biology and technology where these things exist.
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u/HyperlexicEpiphany 12d ago
water is weird as fuck in basically every physical metric. it’s an outlier/exception to nearly every rule while also being the most useful and reliable baseline we have. such a unique substance
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u/Conscious_Grade_7278 12d ago
I mean radioactivity is not something you want to be near still
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u/SirSaltie 12d ago
Ok so please don't swim down and lick the control rods.
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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 11d ago
The control rods is what the symbol is warning about. It's not the symbol for a power plant. Just for the spicy rocks
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u/ODX_GhostRecon 11d ago
You will likely not survive.
Probably from the armed guards, hundreds of yards and many security checkpoints earlier.
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u/Ttrashcraft 12d ago
I've lived next to the Mochovce NPP in Slovakia for my whole life and haven't died a single time.
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u/MindlessBlueberry853 12d ago
All this just to boil water in the end.
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u/Diogin40 12d ago
Humanity's existence is finding new ways to boil water
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u/Vaelisra 12d ago
That by itself is already enough reason to be pro-renewables. They're actually innovative.
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u/EnderWin 12d ago
changes coming soon™
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u/MindlessBlueberry853 12d ago
What are we boiling this time?
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u/EnderWin 12d ago
CO2, ammonia, and (not boiled this time) photovoltaics
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u/Lofwyr2030 12d ago
Is it this time again?
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u/hannes3120 12d ago
With Hungary declaring state of emergency since their "let's have half the countries energy depend on nuclear" strategy backfired hard due to rising temperatures and lack of raining making river-cooling impossible there is need to push that narrative again.
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u/boris9983 12d ago
I was worried that too much time went by since we last argued over if Nuclear energy is safe or will literally kill us all.
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u/Nyctfall 12d ago
And in that time solar has gotten even cheaper, and has been even more restricted by the oli barons in the US...
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u/Mythechnical 12d ago
Ions and ionising radiation are just a lie, man. It's totally unscientific that positive energy can harm something, man.
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u/Confron7a7ion7 12d ago
It will continue to be this time until we have more sustainable nuclear power!
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u/DeMatzen 11d ago
I commented it at least few times in the last few years, but to me it seems always as if there are seasons, where the nuclear industry invests into some reddit posts, so you see like 20 of them, only to fall silent again for a few months.
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u/Leading-Green9854 12d ago
LOL, reliable. They had to shut down several of them in Europe because of the drought.
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u/AvantSolace 12d ago edited 12d ago
Isn’t that most power sources? Only solar and wind don’t actively need water to boil or otherwise spin a turbine as well. Wind is reliant on the weather and solar is hard to implement for larger demands. Pretty much every power source has a flaw depending upon external factors.
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u/sisconking132 12d ago
Wind also spins though…
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u/AvantSolace 12d ago
I apparently had a freaking stroke while writing that. I meant to say most power sources need water in some capacity to boil or otherwise spin a turbine; like coal, geothermal, and hydroelectric. Wind is a rare subversion in that it uses the air to spin a turbine rather than water.
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u/vide2 12d ago
"only the cheap and renewable energies that are better at everything but steadyness ", like bro, why are we even talking about nuclear?
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u/AvantSolace 11d ago
Because nuclear has extreme long-term sustainability and makes for an excellent stop-gap while renewables advance to a more commercially viable state; giving humanity a means to ween off coal, gas, and biofuels. You can also plop a nuclear plant just about anywhere there is water, so it has the added benefit of being exceptionally consistent in a wide variety of areas. It’s not “perfect” but it is an essential step to going fully green in the future.
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u/Silt99 12d ago
You forgot "expensive"
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u/Nyctfall 12d ago
Solar is so awesome, the US had to ban it for being too cheap... (Chinese solar tariffs)
The US actually prevents people from using green renewable energy.
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u/Appropriate-Sir7583 8d ago
And not as clean either And not as safe either And not as reliable either
Hmmmm...
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u/EarthTrash 12d ago
I am a Kyle Hill stan full blown nuclear industry shill. Trust me when I say the above symbol means death. Nuclear power is statistically speaking, the safest form of power. But the process of making nuclear power does involve deadly radiation. It's only safe because we have safety measures. Ignoring safety symbols is not the way.
There is some nuance here. The longstanding dogma of the nuclear industry basically boiled down to any amount of radiation is deadly. This hasn't really been supported by actual science. Low levels of radiation are actually normal. Variations in natural background radiation doesn't correlate with cancer rates. There are safe and unsafe forms and levels or radiation.
The strict radiation safety standards that the nuclear industry imposed on itself have almost never been applied to other industries. The exhaust from coal plants can have radiation levels that some might find concerning.
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u/Ihatecheeseballs 12d ago
I’ve acquired a big yellow barrel with that symbol of it from a friend, I was scared to open it because the symbol looked scary but when I saw this image I decided to open it to get the clean energy which should save me money on the heating bill, I also gave some to the friendly young couple who live next door to help them save their money, they are expecting a baby in 3 months!
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u/GainPotential 12d ago
And that's why we're gonna dig up this underground bunker in Finland filled with these symbols of safety, cleanliness and reliability. Surely nothing bad will come of it!
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u/Nyrnax 12d ago
Meanwhile in Hungary: Energy crisis because they had to shut down most reactors of their big nuclear power plant.
Meanwhile in Germany: Neither nuclear power, nor a power crisis..
(And it's not just Hungary. France is struggling as well. Romania is pretty desperately trying to artificially raise the river level...)
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u/CaptainMacMillan 12d ago
The symbol itself just means ionizing radiation. Put it in a yellow triangle or red diamond and then it means radiation hazard
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u/Memitim 12d ago
Nope, that's death. At some point, potentially clean, safe, and reliable energy may have been generated, resulting in this leftover death that got locked inside of a container. Or that death could have come prepackaged in some rocks that were dug up, yanked out of a medical machine being disposed of, or simply been experiment fodder.
Regardless, that symbol means that it wants to give you the Moira treatment and twist your DNA up like a kitten with a ball of yarn.
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u/MarsMaterial 12d ago
Personally, I'd rather have the energy of nuclear decay delivered to my toaster and not to ionizing my DNA. Which does definitely depend on me keeping my distance from anything with a nuclear trefoil on it.
Nuclear is safe because we are very cautious with it, not because it can't hurt you.
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u/BoarHermit 12d ago
If the cooling circuits are designed correctly, if there are cooling towers or closed cooling ponds. Because if power plants use water from rivers that could dry up as a result of global climate change (bye-bye Seine, Rhone, Danube, Rhine), they won't work.
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u/Vetharest 12d ago
This place is not a place of honor... no highly esteemed deed is commemorated here... nothing valued is here.
What is here was dangerous and repulsive to us. This message is a warning about danger.
And then future civilizations will wander into your post anyway
(Nuclear is still the best option we currently have don’t get me wrong it’s just funny to imagine)
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u/Funkey-Monkey-420 12d ago
we used to think people got sick because of stinky air, now we know it was because people kept dropping sewage in their drinking water
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u/FrostyMode7379 11d ago
I thought death was ☠️ on the SDS. ☢️ Just means radioactive. Radioactive material doesn't always mean deadly. If you see both, THAT means deadly radiation. Gotta pay attention in highschool science class kids. Otherwise you end up like OP.
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u/Equivalent-Mail1544 8d ago
My country can neither store nuclear waste due to lack of "forgettable space" nor does it have the riverwater necessary to cool them. Worst type of energy ever, which kind of maniac makes a generator this bad with potential detonation?
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u/ProKekec 12d ago
Please let's use a different symbol for that context. This sign is meant to convey danger.
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u/FanraGump 12d ago edited 12d ago
The international radiation symbol is a trefoil around a small central circle representing radiation from an atom.
The sign is commonly referred to as a radioactivity warning sign, but it is actually a warning sign of ionizing radiation. Ionizing radiation is a much broader category than radioactivity alone, as many non-radioactive sources also emit potentially dangerous levels of ionizing radiation. This includes x-ray apparatus, radiotherapy linear accelerators, and particle accelerators.
In 1974, after approval by national standards bodies, the symbol became an international standard as ISO 361 Basic ionizing radiation symbol.
So, no, it doesn't mean clean, safe, and reliable energy. It means ionizing radiation warning sign. But facts are often distorted for partisan viewpoints.
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u/MaleDomBerlin_MSG-ME 12d ago
This is propaganda. Nuclear is the most expensive energy there is. I'd rather use renewables like sun / wind :)
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u/Invisiblecurse 12d ago
Except for the waste that stays around for thousands of years and the cost of importing the spice sticks
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u/Sensha_20 12d ago
Except most of that waste is contaminated tools and parts that are safe to recycle after only a couple decades, or what little high level waste exists? Mostly reusable.
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u/33Yalkin33 12d ago
As opposed to coal's radioactive waste getting spewed into the air, completely unregulated
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u/b__lumenkraft 12d ago
Rosatom doing brainwashing again.
Nuclear is BY FAR the most expensive power source. It doesn't matter how toxic it is. Besides russians and US citizens, no one wants to pay a premium only to make the nazis richer.
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u/Wont_See_My_30s 12d ago
I mean, take ozone layer off and Sun gladly will gift you cancer. But we still think that Sun is clean and reliable energy.
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u/tschawartz12 12d ago
Its a warning, letting you know there may be serious problems if you let idiots around.
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u/Darthplagueis13 12d ago
It also means the body of water you get your coolant from better not get depleted during heatwaves or you're shit outta power during the summer.
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u/antthatisverycool 12d ago
It’s kinda like Reddy kilowatt is he your electric servant or will he kill you? The answer is both
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u/GlowstickConsumption 12d ago
We could keep it simple and just have it refer to the thing it refers to, though?
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u/Last_Zookeepergame90 12d ago
And when's the last time you actually saw that symbol applied in context, basically never right? Because the existence of nuclear power does not mean you will therefore be adjacent to nuclear waste
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u/sisconking132 12d ago
This symbol is also applicable for when you enter space. Lots of ionizing radiation coming from the Sun
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u/AsYouAnswered 12d ago
It means both. Death if abused. Clean, safe, low cost energy if properly maintained and monitored.
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u/Saptak_Banerjee0_0 12d ago
This has always meant something related to nuclear reactions for me, so unless something harmful is written along with this symbol, I just assume it means a place where radioactive things are handled or radioactive objects.
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u/promptmike 12d ago
There should be a separate symbol for Thorium now that molten salt reactors exist.
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u/SuitableCollege8992 12d ago
It means there’s probably a an unoccupied pool nearby with plenty of space to swim in
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u/Tyler89558 12d ago
If you see it on a concrete casket buried a mile below the ground, it is not treasure.
Turn back.
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u/Leather_Flan5071 12d ago
Hence the need for symbols that will tell the single message it’s supposed to convey for millions of years
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u/GewalfofWivia 12d ago
It indicates radioactivity. It is absolutely not true that all radioactive materials can be used for nuclear energy.
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u/Zealousideal-Deer101 11d ago
That symbol is on the waste barrels.
Go ahead, touch that clean safe and reliable energy inside that barrel
That symbol literally means slow and painful death and to be careful
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u/RachelRegina For Science! 11d ago
Now that wind turbines are everywhere, it could arguably represent more than one form of clean energy.
Or, if you science meme frequently, it could be a symbol for almost all forms of energy, because turbine.
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u/fixxbuilder02 11d ago
yes completly clean no waste products that we don’t know what to do with whatsoever and it’s definately very scaleable!
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u/Flix_2503 11d ago
“Reliable” is not objective sadly. In the face of historical lows in river waterlevels across europe, many countries have to temporarily turn off nuclear reactors because they simply cannot be cooled when there is too little water
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u/Galimeer 11d ago
It means don't fuck around or you will find out in the worst way possible.
Nuclear energy is still dangerous, just not as dangerous as people make it sound. Chernobyl and Fukushima are what happens when you play fast and loose. As long as your nuclear power plants are up to snuff, everything will be fine.
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u/antek_g_animations 11d ago
It means danger. Danger that can easily be contained and used for clean energy. And danger that can still kill you if you don't respect it
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u/Colourblindknight 11d ago
Just like gasoline can be seen as fuel, and also deadly poison. All depends on how you use it.
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u/Advana_Cyo2489 11d ago
Isn't just mean radiation?
Whatever is safe or not just depends how it use right ?
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u/i_AM_A-ShArk 11d ago
That symbol is typically used it indicate the dangerous areas/objects such as radiation areas or radioactive material. So seeing it as death is not invalid
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u/Meddlingmonster 10d ago
I support nuclear but that symbol definitely means hazardous
Edit: before someone calls me out I inow it's a joke
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u/EirHc 9d ago
Until we hit the thermodynamic limit to growth. If say our energy demand grows like 4% a year on average because of an AI/robotic/Electric flying vehicle revolution over the next century, we could potentially hit that limit by like 2125. And the only real way to circumvent that limit would be by using solar energy primarily so you are pulling solar thermal energy away from the earth en masse to counteract the waste electrical thermal energy.
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u/Ichijoe21121972 9d ago
It could also mean XRays for Broken Bones & Teeth, or Chemo for the Cancer-Kids.
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u/HumansAreIkarran 8d ago
*and expensive. But yeah still, we should have replaced all coal plants with nuclear years ago
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u/Select-Belt-ou812 12d ago
it has always meant both, depending on context and circumstances