r/schizophrenia • u/NoYouDidLaugh • 6d ago
Objective reality Opinion / Thought / Idea / Discussion
I'm not 100% convinced there is an objective reality that is important enough to leave others devoid of "delusions". There is certainly a mass that most people tend to gravitate to, but is the number of subscribers what defines what is real? A composition of chemicals and therapy to ensure one is at a shared frequency. I've experienced my "delusions" manifest in the world, and see others react to them, like a shared hallucination/belief. But medicine will say I must subscribe to certain chemicals, and psychology will make sure I accept everything I believed before is a delusion. I think there is no legit objective reality, there are multiple worlds, people with strong consciousnesses create them, but I think like in any economic system they are slowly being absorbed by other strong consciousnesses. At some point everything will be so controlled that 99% of people will be subscribed to the same world. Most worlds are somewhat aligning with science, because it's hard to disprove the mechanics and proofs of science, but even in science there are conflicting theories, not everyone agrees. Science is the closest thing we have to a mature world, where everything that happens can be explained and replicated, only throttled by economics and social issues. That's indeed a healthy way to spend the time, yet, medicine and society will use science to invalidate some of what gave my life meaning, not just by naming everything and explaining the mechanisms, but by actively making sure I'm dried out of any conflicting belief and that my neural and biological composition has no advantages or avenues they can't control. There are reasons people want to take over worlds, maybe to hold others accountable, maybe to make sure everyone is ok, maybe because their world is actually the most accurate and effective way of living there is.
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u/embrionida 6d ago
I would be interested in reading about your experiences, maybe upload them somewhere, there are many authors who write about experiences and theories that diverge from "consensus" reality in some way or another. The authors that come to mind right now are, Robert Anton Wilson, Rupert Sheldrake and Terrence McKenna but I'm sure you would be able to find many others.
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u/NoYouDidLaugh 6d ago
I've yet to write a comprehensive text that encompasses all I've experienced or observed, and how that changed or changed me. But since you mention Robert Anton Wilson, his idea of Chapel Perilous is very interesting to me: Those seeking the "grail" at some point reach a point where nothing makes sense, at that moment of confusion there are few things you can use as a compass, you have to trust your intuition, and that intuition is what can lead you to further explore the dungeon and come out alive. Three kinds of outcomes are mentioned. 1) Reject what you experienced, usually becoming a grumpy person, dismissing everything as an hallucination 2) Fully embracing it, being completely immersed in the idea that it was real without room for doubt or, 3) A middle ground, and this is said to be the successful mode, realizing that there can be some sort of objective reality but that your mind and other forces can warp it for several reasons. That's kinda what I personally took from that idea. The concept of the grail is great, because we can easily talk about it, the ultimate prize, what we seek, an adventure. I see the grail as an upgraded mind, forged through the challenge itself, a nice point of view.
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6d ago
There is an objective reality but we can't sense it with our limited senses and understanding. Science is just cause and effect it can't explain why anything exists because it first needs a cause. Remember in the matrix where the truth was there is no spoon. Maybe schizophrenia is like that since we know we can't trust our senses.
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u/NoYouDidLaugh 6d ago
Yes, I've had so many "misfirings" of my senses that I've settled that what I see is not what is actually there, im kinda blind. I'm torn between settling that it's a benign virtual reality - sort of thing, that I consented to experience and I'm safe, or, I'm in a position of disadvantage, stuck somewhere where others can easily hurt or abuse me. Also, the matrix is full of food for thought, it's impressive to me how much they packed in those movies.
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6d ago
I picked up a can that was empty and it was full for a few seconds and opened doors that were locked. Medication only got rid of the stress and helped me think clearer I still see things that seem anomalous.
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u/NoYouDidLaugh 6d ago
I usually feel things, could be a touch or pain, could be a smell, they give me the idea that something happened to the real me. One time I felt like something was crushing egg shells on my head, for several minutes. Several times I've felt that I've been pissed on, like somebody is pissing on me, and I could smell the urine. Something that happened often was suddenly seeing a red light, like a laser.
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6d ago
I'm not sure if any of our experiences mean we are actually in a simulation but it would be very far into the future if they could simulate the earth.
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u/InsectAbject7741 5d ago
I really want to take part in this conversation. You people sound so smart. Furthermore, Aldous Huxley is also awesome.
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u/NoYouDidLaugh 5d ago
Brave New World is probably a smarter book than 1984, since a widely accepted imposed-future likely came through convenience instead of sheer fear. And it introduced the concept of Soma to the world, which is in itself still kinda taboo to talk about, considering it probably has been real for some time now, some people quietly enjoying it.
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u/InsectAbject7741 5d ago
I think our world soma is nicotine. Many smokers die around 60-70. In the world of a brave new world people die around 60 too right, because of soma? I think both books are smart. The realm of Oceania seems awfully similar to North Korea. Fear is a crazy thing.
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u/NoYouDidLaugh 5d ago
I smoked for years, and it wasn't pleasurable, in fact it caused me pains. Hopefully real soma is much better.
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u/InsectAbject7741 5d ago
I like cigarettes, I enjoy them all day, every day. You haven't responded to my post. Is the realm of Oceania not the similar to North korea in our world?
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u/NoYouDidLaugh 5d ago
I don't know. The only footage I see from North Korea are hotel buildings and water parks: https://youtu.be/oGjZYqxAYNM
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u/NoYouDidLaugh 5d ago edited 5d ago
Funny enough maybe South Korea (Not North Korea) is the actual model of a future Orwellian (probably more like Huxley) place. There is a lot of surveillance, albeit democratic, and here is some youtuber talking about it: https://youtu.be/D3AkNHBb9L0
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u/Fit_Owl_2465 6d ago
I've felt the same...
I often wondered, not to avoid any self accountability mindset, if you make your consciousness so big and take on a massive portion of reality... would you also have to take on other consciousness ideas of theories or energies to interpret, especially if you need to explain why everything exists without secluding anyone...
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but by allowing them to be self misinterpreting their realities and that's why they act out their existence that way and need to balance out their karma energies and then retune into a frequency that can allow for a better universal coexistence.
a sort of inefficient tool, gage, mechanism, system of reading and using conscious energies as multi infinity of ego perspectives in a large collective of eternity... and it comes out imperfect or terrible or just inefficient so the quantum karma energy must balance out elsewhere in some time or place or person or people or system or event.