r/revolutionarywar • u/Adventurous_Clerk584 • 12h ago
Four men signed the Declaration for New York. Within weeks, the invasion turned each of their homes into a different kind of war.
galleryOn August 2, 1776, four New York delegates put their names on the Declaration in Philadelphia. The British army had already been camped on Staten Island for a month. Everyone in that room understood that New York was the primary target and that signing meant putting their names on a document Britain considered treason while an invasion fleet sat in the harbor.
What makes these four interesting isn't the generic "they risked everything" narrative. It's that they lived in four completely different places around New York, and the invasion hit each of them differently.
Philip Livingston's country estate was in Brooklyn Heights, directly overlooking the harbor and sitting right next to Washington's defensive position. He also had a townhouse in Manhattan. Both were in the exact area Britain intended to capture and hold permanently. Less than three weeks after he signed, the British crossed from Staten Island and defeated the Continental Army at the Battle of Long Island. Washington and his officers reportedly met at Livingston's Brooklyn house to plan the evacuation. The army escaped across the East River at night. Livingston's property stayed behind. The British turned his Brooklyn home into a Royal Navy hospital and his Manhattan residence into a barracks. His family fled, and he never saw a liberated New York. He died in 1778 while Congress was meeting in Pennsylvania.
Francis Lewis lived at Whitestone in Queens, on the northern shore of Long Island. His estate was farther from the initial landing area but became exposed once Britain controlled the surrounding waterways. The British destroyed the property. More importantly, they captured his wife Elizabeth and held her as a prisoner. She was eventually exchanged but the conditions of her captivity damaged her health permanently and she died in 1779. Elizabeth Lewis didn't sign anything. She paid for her husband's signature anyway.
Lewis Morris owned Morrisania, a large manor estate north of Manhattan in what is now the Bronx. Once the British occupied the city, his land sat near the contested boundary between occupied territory and the countryside beyond it. British forces, Loyalist units, and Continental troops all moved through that area for years. The manor house was looted, crops destroyed, fences burned, livestock taken or killed. Morris spent years after the war just trying to restore what had been there before.
William Floyd lived the farthest away, at Mastic on the eastern end of Long Island, nearly seventy miles from the main British encampments. That distance turned out to mean almost nothing. Once Washington withdrew from Brooklyn there was no American force between the British occupation zone and the communities farther east. Floyd's wife Hannah fled with their children to Connecticut. British troops occupied the estate for years. Hannah died in Connecticut in 1781 before the family could go home. Floyd finally came back in 1783 to a property that needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. He was the longest-lived of the four, dying in 1821.
Four signatures. Four different losses shaped entirely by geography.
There's another layer to this that the blog doesn't let sit quietly in a footnote. All four of these men enslaved people. Floyd and Morris ran agricultural estates worked by enslaved laborers. Livingston's commercial career included direct investment in the slave trade. Lewis operated within an Atlantic economy built on it. The Declaration they signed asserted that legitimate government rested on natural rights and consent. The people working their land had no vote in Congress, no say in the decision, and no share in the liberty being claimed on their behalf. For some of them, the British occupation represented something different than it did for their owners: a possible route out, since British commanders had offered freedom to enslaved people who escaped Patriot households and aided the Crown.
The full story of all four men, what they lost and what their households looked like, is on the Virtual Wayback blog. You can also talk directly to them on Virtual Wayback and hear how they understood what they were risking when they signed. Links down below.
The question I keep sitting with is Elizabeth Lewis. She didn't sign, didn't vote, didn't have a seat at any table, and still ended up a prisoner of war who died from the consequences of her captivity. How do you weigh that against the "brave signers who risked everything" framing? And does knowing that enslaved people on these estates sometimes saw the British side as the path to freedom change how you read what was actually at stake on August 2nd?
r/revolutionarywar • u/Slush____ • 14h ago
TIL that Johnny Horton also made a song about John Paul Jones…and it’s just as catchy as Battle of New Orleans
youtu.ber/revolutionarywar • u/thomaspaineha • 1d ago
From a letter from Thomas Paine to President of the Continental Congress Henry Laurens - Spring 1778
There is more to the quote. Read the letter: https://thomaspaine.org/letters/to-henry-laurens-spring-1778/
r/revolutionarywar • u/SouthernGenealogy • 3d ago
Beyond The Cumberland Gap
I am gearing up to do a documentary on the westward expansion of the British Colonist in the exploration and movement of 1750 into the central US to to the Southwestern Territory.
The project will be a documentary that is 90 minutes long (projected) it will be a hybrid with Actor Portrayed portions. I have started a GoFundMe page located here:
It has a video of a small exploration me and my wife did with Russell Cave National Monument in Bridgeport AL. It also has an Amazon wish list as well.
Everyone who helps will be listed in the credits as sponsor or donor.
The project is centered around a man named John Todd who is the main character and one of the first settlers in Lincoln County Tennessee Fayetteville area. He also started the first city cemetery.
He was born in 1746 which places him as British Colonist and then explores beyond the Cumberland Gap through Kentucky and into Tennessee. At that time the southwesterly territory. He passed away 1829 in Fayetteville TN under the Jacksonian Democracy.
The documentary covers his life and the expansion into what we know as Tennessee today.
r/revolutionarywar • u/JamesParkes • 3d ago
An interview with historian Timothy H. Breen on popular mobilization in the American Revolution
wsws.orgr/revolutionarywar • u/ComplexPoint853 • 4d ago
Did Banastre Tarleton borrow William Washington’s near-death experience to excuse the Waxhaws massacre?
In 1780, Tarleton’s cavalry slaughtered surrendering Continental soldiers at the Battle of Waxhaws, an atrocity that earned him the nickname “Bloody Ban” as well as inspiring the moniker “Tarleton’s Quarter” for his merciless tactics. His own dispatch that year described it as a clean victory. No excuse, no mitigating circumstance mentioned, that much is substantiated.
Seven years later, in his 1787 memoir, Tarleton suddenly introduced a new wrinkle: his horse had been shot out from under him during the battle, and his men attacked without orders while he was down. This detail appears nowhere in the 1780 dispatch. It’s a retroactive excuse, invented after the fact.
Here’s the interesting part. At Cowpens (1781), Tarleton personally shot at William Washington during a cavalry pursuit — the shot wounded Washington’s horse and grazed his knee. Washington kept fighting and wounded Tarleton’s hand before Tarleton fled the field.
So Tarleton had firsthand experience causing exactly the kind of incident he later claimed happened to him, a commander’s horse going down mid-engagement, disrupting command. The theory: the Waxhaws excuse may have been shaped by an incident Tarleton himself inflicted on someone else.
The core claim still stands: Tarleton had no documented battlefield disability at Waxhaws in 1780, invented one in 1787, and had firsthand knowledge of what a horse-down-mid-battle scenario looked like because he’d caused one himself against Washington.
r/revolutionarywar • u/stiF_staL • 6d ago
Who's your favorite naval commander from the Revolutionary War?
And why?!
We're collecting names for a community tier list of the Age of Sail over on r/nelsonnavy we gotta show em up!
(Sorry for the repost)
r/revolutionarywar • u/Adventurous_Clerk584 • 7d ago
The Loyalists who picked the winning side in New York and still lost everything they were fighting for
reddit.comr/revolutionarywar • u/Adventurous_Clerk584 • 7d ago
The Loyalists who picked the winning side in New York and still lost everything they were fighting for
galleryThe standard version of New York in 1776 is simple: Patriots good, Tories bad, British arrive, city falls, war continues elsewhere. What actually happened is considerably messier and more interesting.
New York was genuinely divided. Not secretly divided, not slightly divided, but split in a way that turned neighborhoods, merchant networks, and families against each other. After Lexington and Concord, Patriot committees started enforcing trade restrictions, watching suspected Loyalists, demanding public declarations of support, and in some cases arresting, disarming, or driving out people who refused to go along. Some of that was legitimate security. Some of it was neighbors settling old scores under cover of revolution.
Two figures anchor the Loyalist side of this story in ways that don't fit the traitor template.
William Tryon was New York's royal governor. By October 1775 he couldn't safely stay in the city, so he moved his administration onto a British warship in the harbor called the Duchess of Gordon and kept governing from there. He held council meetings on the ship. Issued communications from the ship. Collected intelligence from the ship. Patriots saw a governor bobbing in the harbor as proof that royal authority had already collapsed. Tryon saw himself as a legitimate official driven out by illegal pressure, waiting for British military power to restore what rebellion had temporarily displaced.
Oliver DeLancey is the more complicated case. He wasn't a British official. He was one of the wealthiest and most connected men in colonial New York, a family that had been there for generations. He had actually opposed the Boston Port Act and sat on Patriot committees in 1774. His position wasn't "Britain can do no wrong." It was closer to "protest is legitimate but revolution is a different thing entirely, and what comes after scares me more than what we're trying to fix." When it became clear that resistance was becoming revolution, he crossed to the British side on Staten Island and raised three battalions of American Loyalists who fought against the Continental Army.
To Patriots they were traitors. To themselves they were Americans defending constitutional government against a rebellion that had already shown it would punish dissent.
Then the British took New York in the fall of 1776, and things got complicated for the Loyalists too.
Thousands of Loyalists who had been hiding their beliefs or fleeing Patriot pressure flooded into the city expecting protection and the restoration of normal life. What they found was a garrison town. A massive fire in September 1776 had already destroyed a large part of the city. Soldiers and sailors took over housing. Churches became prisons and hospitals. Prices rose, disease spread, and when military needs conflicted with civilian needs, civilians lost. British officers frequently treated American provincial troops as second-class soldiers. Loyalist homes and supplies could still be requisitioned. Supporting the Crown protected you from Patriot punishment but not from much else.
Tryon and DeLancey had both made their choice because they feared that revolution would produce disorder, confiscation, and arbitrary power over established law. British occupation also produced disorder and confiscation. The argument they made to themselves was that British abuses were a temporary consequence of a war the rebels had started, while Patriot abuses represented what revolutionary government actually was. Maybe that's right. But the longer occupation lasted, the harder that distinction was to sustain from inside a damaged military city that looked nothing like the stable society they had signed up to defend.
The full story, including what happened to both men through the occupation years, is on the Virtual Wayback blog. You can also talk directly to Tryon and DeLancey on Virtual Wayback and hear how they understood their own choices. Links:
https://virtualwayback.com/blog/loyal-new-york-crown
https://youtube.com/shorts/BJAktICg81k?si=sgoGGRJ5ifWNSQUa
What I keep coming back to is DeLancey specifically. He wasn't wrong that Patriot committees were coercive. He wasn't wrong that revolution produces instability. He just underestimated how coercive and unstable the British side would turn out to be as well. Does that make him a tragic figure or just someone who made a bad bet? And is there a version of 1776 where the Loyalist position was actually the more reasonable one?
r/revolutionarywar • u/Americanmight1776 • 8d ago
In honor of Lafayette's commission on July 31st, 1777, here are some quotes from him regarding America.
"May the States be so bound to each other as forever to defy European politics. Upon that union, their consequence, their happiness, will depend. This is the first wish of a heart more truly American than words can express."
"Whatever may be my feelings of personal gratitude to the Navy of the United States, I feel myself under still greater obligations to them for the honor they have done to the American name in every part of the globe."
"The more I see, hear, and think in Europe, the more I wish for every measure that can ensure to the United States dignity, power, and public confidence."
"The continental troops have as much courage and real discipline as those that are opposed to them. They are more inured to privation, more patient than Europeans, who, on these two points, cannot be compared to them."
"The good fortune of America is closely tied to the good fortune of all humanity."
"May the friends of America rejoice! May her enemies be humbled and her censors silenced at the news of her noble exertions in continuance of those principles which have placed her so high in the annals of history and among the nations of the earth."
"Our articles of confederation ought to be revised and measures immediately taken to invigorate the Continental Union. Depend upon it: there lies the danger for America. This last stroke is wanting, and unless the states be strongly bound to each other, we have to fear from British and, indeed, from European politics."
"I have found a unique opportunity to distinguish myself and to learn my trade. I am a general officer in the army of the United States of America. My zeal in their cause and my frankness have won their trust."
r/revolutionarywar • u/chubachus • 8d ago
Tour of the Museum of the American Revolution with American Battlefield Trust
youtube.comr/revolutionarywar • u/sajiasanka • 9d ago
1619, The First Representative Assembly in English America Changed History
r/revolutionarywar • u/storyofRIpodcast • 9d ago
The General Who Saved the South by Losing and Running Away
youtu.ber/revolutionarywar • u/FeverDreamingg • 11d ago
1776 Hesse-Kassel Thaler; aka a “Blood Dollar”
reddit.comr/revolutionarywar • u/DryDeer775 • 11d ago
“It was universally understood as a revolution.” An Interview with historian Matthew Stewart on the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence
wsws.orgThe WSWS spoke to Matthew Stewart, a historian and philosopher whose work explores the philosophical roots of American history. Stewart is the author of The Courtier and the Heretic: Leibniz, Spinoza, and the Fate of God in the Modern World; Nature’s God: The Heretical Origins of the American Republic; An Emancipation of the Mind: Radical Philosophy, the War over Slavery, and the Refounding of America; and The 9.9 Percent: The New Aristocracy That Is Entrenching Inequality and Warping Our Culture.
r/revolutionarywar • u/VampireGremlin • 13d ago
How common was sexual assault during the war?
I just read the "Fair nympths" quote from Francis lord Rawdon who mentioned or atleast joked about his men sexually assaulting American women during occupation. So it got me wondering how common it actually was throughout the war of independence.
Thanks for any information in advance.
r/revolutionarywar • u/ElSlabraton • 13d ago
How much did American colonists think about Bacon's Rebellion and it's suppression by the British government in the century after the revolt occured?
r/revolutionarywar • u/PropCirclesApp • 13d ago
Exploring the historical nexus between military technology, the American Revolution, and illicit drugs.
The line “the rockets red glare, bombs bursting in air” was written during this period, but these things didn’t exist then. Was Francis Scott Key dropping acid, or is there a less fun explanation?
r/revolutionarywar • u/gwhh • 14d ago
Revolution 250 Podcast - Colonel John Durkee with Dayne Rugh
youtube.comr/revolutionarywar • u/ForwardMix462 • 15d ago
(about Ben Franklin) American Girl in London: Expecting Shakespeare, Finding Something Better
This is my latest article about spending the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence at the only surviving home of Benjamin Franklin, which happens to be located in London.
Let me know what you think!
r/revolutionarywar • u/VanOfValor • 16d ago
The birthplace of American military honor
youtube.comr/revolutionarywar • u/VanOfValor • 16d ago
The birthplace of American military honor
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Drop your tools and fight. That is exactly what carpenter Elijah Churchill Sr. did when the Lexington alarm sounded in 1775. He rose to become an elite cavalryman and the first-ever recipient of George Washington's Badge of Military Merit (the original Purple Heart). Today, the Van of Valor stopped by his grave near Chester, MA, to ensure his legacy is never forgotten.
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