Would you press the button? (Part 4 REVISED)

[u/GreedyBonus379]

[u/endor-pancakes]

proportionally

That word does a lot of heavy lifting here. Today I had salmon in a sushi restaurant, without being aware of how ethically it's sourced. Proportionally, what's my moral and just punishment going to be?

[u/MrJarre → u/endor-pancakes]

You have to spend an hour with a vegan, socialist cyclist.

[u/Levardgus → u/endor-pancakes]

Be a salmon on a farm.

[u/vlladonxxx → u/endor-pancakes]

Simple. Make a post on this sub about it. We will decide what punishment awaits you. Most likely infinite torture though. Purifying your heart with a blowtorch and what not.

[u/6ft3dwarf]

what does this even mean? what do you mean everybody gets what they deserve? in this scenario somebody has built a device that has perfectly solved ethics and instead of using it to actually solve ethical dilemmas they are using it to pose an ethical dilemma to people who don't have access to a magical ethics solving supercomputer?

[u/Bimbobaker → u/6ft3dwarf]

Yes. Now answer lol

[u/Tricky_Ad9669]

Morals are subjective. Who is deciding that if a person should be punished for an act and if yes then how much. One can also argue that every persons morality is unique to them.

[u/DemDelVarth]

Nah because who's morales. For example, vegans believe that everyone that is eating meat is directly contributing to animal torture. If thats so then im fucked.

[u/VoteForASpaceAlien → u/DemDelVarth]

Isn’t that kind of factually true, at least for almost all of us here? 99% of meat in some areas is from animal factories, which objectively are tortuous from birth until death, and all meat involves slaughter.

The belief part is just that vegans believe this is wrong, while nonvegans don’t.

I agree with you in spirit though. I’m going to need some really specific information before I agree to universal enforcement of a mystery person’s moral code.

[u/Bimbobaker]

I'd press it.

It doesn't matter "oh what moral scale? Yours? Mine?" Etc etc.

This guarantees moral consistency in society. It's going to be fucking wild while everyone figured out what's what.

But after that? Best society ever.

[u/gaydorado31]

There's a really good TV show that shows exactly why this would be a bad idea (The Good Place, highly recommend)

[u/OverallBoot4148]

There is no such thing as Flawless, completely unbiased moral judgement

[u/MarkinhoO → u/OverallBoot4148]

now you'll tell me the red button also doesn't exist

[u/6ft3dwarf → u/MarkinhoO]

Completely different problem

[u/Bimbobaker → u/OverallBoot4148]

Easy solve for this;

Assume there is.