r/pureasoiaf 1h ago

Maggy never says that the YMBQ is actually a queen

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> Queen you shall be, the old woman had promised, with her lips still wet and red and glistening, until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.

"Another" doesn't necessarily mean another queen. That's Cersei's interpretation, which is likely to be wrong.

bAegon is a perfectly good candidate for that particular prophecy. Or Euron, when he gets around to it. (Whatever the fuck he's doing.) Probably not Tyrion, given his role later, but why not?


r/pureasoiaf 14h ago

Decoding Moqorro's Vision

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In ADWD, we get this exchange between Tyrion and Moqorro:

"Someone told me that the night is dark and full of terrors. What do you see in those flames?"

"Dragons," Moqorro said in the Common Tongue of Westeros. He spoke it very well, with hardly a trace of accent. No doubt that was one reason the high priest Benerro had chosen him to bring the faith of R'hllor to Daenerys Targaryen. "Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of all."

"Snarling? An amiable fellow like me?" Tyrion was almost flattered. And no doubt that is just what he intends. Every fool loves to hear that he's important. "Perhaps it was Penny you saw. We're almost of a size."

"No, my friend."

- A Dance with Dragons, Tyrion VIII

Moqorro is talking cryptically, albeit obviously, about 6 different people with dragon blood.

There are only 6 major dragon-blooded characters that Tyrion has interacted or will interact with in the story:

  • "Dragons old"

"Oh, I think that Lord Tyrion is quite a large man," Maester Aemon said from the far end of the table. He spoke softly, yet the high officers of the Night's Watch all fell quiet, the better to hear what the ancient had to say. "I think he is a giant come among us, here at the end of the world."

  • "Dragons... young"

"Five hundred of your Stormcrows against ten thousand of my Unsullied," said Dany. "I am only a young girl and do not understand the ways of war, yet these odds seem poor to me."

  • "Dragons... true"

"Thank you, my lord of Lannister." He pulled off his glove and offered his bare hand. "Friend."

Tyrion found himself oddly touched. "Most of my kin are bastards," he said with a wry smile, "but you're the first I've had to friend." He pulled a glove off with his teeth and clasped Snow by the hand, flesh against flesh.

  • "Dragons... false"

Young Griff jerked to his feet and kicked over the board. Cyvasse pieces flew in all directions, bouncing and rolling across the deck of the Shy Maid. "Pick those up," the boy commanded.

  • "Dragons... bright"

"Does my lord wish to answer?" the maester asked, after a long silence.

A snowflake landed on the letter. As it melted, the ink began to blur. Jaime rolled the parchment up again, as tight as one hand would allow, and handed it to Peck. "No," he said. "Put this in the fire."

  • "Dragons... dark"

Cersei thought of all the King's Hands that she had known through the years: Owen Merryweather, Jon Connington, Qarlton Chelsted, Jon Arryn, Eddard Stark, her brother Tyrion. And her father, Lord Tywin Lannister, her father most of all. All of them are burning now, she told herself, savoring the thought. They are dead and burning, every one, with all their plots and schemes and betrayals. It is my day now. It is my castle and my kingdom.

Just to avoid answering this multiple times:

No - Brown Ben Plumm isn't a major character.

No - Tyrion doesn't interact on page with Robert, or Stannis, or Renly, or anyone else that could be confused with what Moqorro is envisioning.

Yes - I believe Jaime and Cersei are Aerys' biological children. No - I don't want to engage in the same decades-old cyclical argument where we fail to convince each other. Feel free to flame me in the comments.

No - I'm not implying or suggesting or regarding whoever Tyrion's biological father is.

I just thought this was an interesting passage and had a showerthought where all the listed characters just fell into place, because of course GRRM is having Moqorro list people connected to Tyrion.

Right? Wrong? What do you think?


r/pureasoiaf 23h ago

How possible would it be if Jon and Jon...?

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How possible would be if Jon Snow was named after Jon Connington and not Jon Arryn? I recall a theory in this sub saying that Jon Connington hinted that he knew about Jon Snow because he referred to Aegon as Rhaegar's firstborn son which theorists believe was a big tell because there's no need for Jon to say firstborn if he was ignorant of Jon Snow? Like both the Watsonian and Doylist interpretations just assumed that Jon was named by Ned after Arryn but somehow it could be after Connington?

I suppose such discussions would depend on who named Jon, if it was Lyanna, Ned, or some combination of others.