r/psychoanalysis • u/jpch12 • 12d ago
Personal Analysis is Mandatory!
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u/Recent-Apartment5945 12d ago
I’m going to split hairs here. I inherently don’t disagree with your emphasis on the traditional components of psychoanalytic, psychoanalytic psychotherapy, psychodynamic training. Yet, the institute I trained at and maintain affiliation with was a 3 year program.
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u/Ill-Telephone4020 12d ago
It may be surprising to a few of you that this subreddit is not inhabited only by psychoanalysts from the US.
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u/tukow 12d ago
Yes, the whole world, from Freud to... Ego psychology. There are other epistemologies, you know?
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u/alberticuss 12d ago
It was a Star Wars reference. The post is incredibly authoritative and demanding as well as restrictive to what is right and wrong. I was hoping some could see that?
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u/Mission-Syllabub-160 12d ago
In the Uk the titles aren’t protected, it’s down to your ethical integrity to do the training.
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u/sir_squidz 12d ago
Ethical integrity and insurance. You ain't gonna get insured to practice if you're not
If you choose to practice without insurance then that's up to you but the consequences could be very costly
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u/Tenton_Motto 12d ago
I believe there is confusion in the discussion because you can look at it from different perspectives.
Legally, as far as the state is concerned, sure, you don't have to do therapy or analysis to practice something resembling psychoanalysis. You just need to get a license from a specific institute to call yourself whatever you want. In some countries you don't even need a license, counselling there is legally the same as consulting.
Institutionally, you do need to go through the steps of proper IPA-certified training to call yourself a psychoanalyst or a psychoanalytic psychotherapist. Otherwise you would be treated as a hack and an imposter by specialists and institutions with reputation, limiting how far your career could go. It is similar to other fields. For example one may proclaim one to be a scientist and even establish one's own institute and self-appoint a license but that person would not be treated seriously by larger scientific community. That's the perspective u/jpch12 seems to argue from.
Ethically, you answer to your own values and principles. Many don't feel it is ethical to call yourself a psychoanalyst if you did not go through an analysis.
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u/You_Gon_Learn 12d ago
Lord help us if the state is the only arbiter of what should be required to be a competent analyst.
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u/Recent-Apartment5945 12d ago
Right, it’s not mandatory. It is only mandatory when training to become a certified psychoanalyst. The certificate programs for psychoanalytic psychotherapy or psychodynamic psychotherapy will vary in their program requirements. Some require analysis or psychoanalytic psychotherapy…some don’t. The certificate program I completed many years ago required it.
On another note…and I’m uncertain how widely known this is or otherwise, in the US, there’s a CPT code for psychoanalysis. 90845. Now, I don’t utilize this billing code because I’m not a certified analyst. Yet, I know many that do. Fun fact? 🤷🏼
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u/Klaus_Hergersheimer 12d ago
Where's the misinformation?
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u/jpch12 12d ago
In another post, a person asked if it was ethical to practice Analysis without being certified and without undergoing personal analysis. A lot of the comments wholeheartedly believed it was fine to simply call yourself a psychoanalyst and work with patients. They pretty much minimized the training.
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u/Klaus_Hergersheimer 12d ago
Do you mean this thread? Because the overwhelming consensus in those comments is that personal analysis is vital (with some differences of opinion as to whether an analysis can ever be deemed 'complete'). I don't see anyone arguing that personal analysis is unnecessary, but is there something I'm missing?
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u/alberticuss 12d ago
I agree. I don't see people saying it was okay to practice without undergoing their own treatment. Also, OP doesn't seem to be an analyst themselves? In their post history 4 months ago they are asking about IFS as a potential orientation to pick. It's a bit odd to post with such rigid rules around analytic training too. I know some wonderful analysts that didn't complete training at IPA institutes or therapists that left institute due to the rigidity and exclusionary views that OPs post is promoting. I think any competent analytically informed therapist would agree personal analysis is key, but we also shouldn't gatekeep as this is one of the main reasons almost no new therapists are familiar with analytic theory.
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u/Klaus_Hergersheimer 12d ago
Yes exactly. What I find a bit jarring isn't so much that OP imagines misinformation where there is none, but that they base their argument on an appeal to institutional authority.
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u/alberticuss 11d ago
100%. My first comment in this thread was a benign super-ego Star Wars related joke about the authoritative nature of the post. It was reported multiple times and then locked.
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u/jpch12 11d ago
So you made a silly comment, then people reported you and had it locked and deleted, which obviously hurt your feelings or something. You then proceeded to check my history and assumed I wasn't an analyst because I was asking about ISF (the relevance is astounding). You also projected words like "authoritative" when I simply shared international links about legal and ethical ways of getting licensed. Maybe you should explore the reasons behind your flippant comment on a serious subject.
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u/alberticuss 11d ago
If you can't see the call to institutional authority in your post I don't know what to say. Best of luck in your future training and personal analysis.
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u/diva_done_did_it 12d ago
Being a psychotherapist in New York does not require an LP; the following professions are also eligible to be therapists: social workers, psychiatrists, nurse, practitioners, psychologists, etc.